Avalon 8 official specs released

[lossol]

Your theory that Canaan would lower prices to $2000 per A821 with bitcoin pricing hovering around 11K just went out the window. They just raised their bulk pricing drastically. The A821 by itself is $3150 at bulk pricing. Which is going to take over a year to breakeven at $0.10/kWh and if Bitcoin remains in a bear market, you can forget about breaking even. Most people don't or can't factor in the declining revenue stream as difficulty goes up weekly and more miners come online. That 1 Year ROI keeps stretching month by month so that 1 year is no longer 1 year a month later!

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[latoxine34]

3800€ a8 alone , pre order at europe reseller......So 18000€ on ebay ? 

not really, it's 2880 EUR for miner alone.

Euh....Have you just checked ? Because I pretty sure it was that price ( 3800 ) , on crtpt...verse . Just checked now and it true that it's 2880€.
Or I did a mistake. We'll never know so I'm innocent !

[fanatic26]

The reason Canaan Creative has not been able to keep up with bitmain when they were the company that created the first asic is their pricing. It has never been competitive, and looks like it never will be if the prices listed in this thread are true. It really too bad because they do have the best product on the market.

[akadamson]

So a question... Anyone thought whether it will be possible to run an 821 on the same PSU that a 741 was running on... One of the HP server PSU's and DPS-1200-FB-1A - on 240v?  I think on paper the 741 and 821 draw the same wattage don't they?  If so, then it should be feasible.

[HagssFIN]

So a question... Anyone thought whether it will be possible to run an 821 on the same PSU that a 741 was running on... One of the HP server PSU's and DPS-1200-FB-1A - on 240v?  I think on paper the 741 and 821 draw the same wattage don't they?  If so, then it should be feasible.

We know more about that after we have seen a actual power consumption measurement.

I'm planning to power A821 first with Sorcerer psu (Canaan custom psu) and then with DPS-1200MB-1 1400W server psu and then compare those power consumption measurement results.

[Logan4el]

[Steamtyme]

Here is an update for packaging for the 821; and presumably the entire 8 series.

Miners will now ship with a 5 pin cable; No AUC included.

The controllers will ship out with 4 AUC's.

This is their plan to deal with the supply issues of AUC's; so it will make sense for people to order 1 of the Canaan controllers. This probably also explains the price increase there was on controllers.

[Thetaj]

Here is an update for packaging for the 821; and presumably the entire 8 series.

Miners will now ship with a 5 pin cable; No AUC included.

The controllers will ship out with 4 AUC's.

This is their plan to deal with the supply issues of AUC's; so it will make sense for people to order 1 of the Canaan controllers. This probably also explains the price increase there was on controllers.

I hope the old AUCs work with the new 8 series or I'm screwed

[Crypto Rock]

True that my brothers, maybe I got spoiled a bit......I forgot the S7 days lol, but the landscape drastically changed, I fear we might be in an ASIC arms race 2.0. thats the onlything I worry about

Hi Thetaj,

What would be wrong with ASIC 2.0 race?

More innovation is always welcome.  We have an effective monopoly today, and that's never good for business.

[Thetaj]

True that my brothers, maybe I got spoiled a bit......I forgot the S7 days lol, but the landscape drastically changed, I fear we might be in an ASIC arms race 2.0. thats the onlything I worry about

Hi Thetaj,

What would be wrong with ASIC 2.0 race?

More innovation is always welcome.  We have an effective monopoly today, and that's never good for business.

Because trading a wolf for a Tiger is not really a trade. We're still screwed either way.

[rifleman74]

True that my brothers, maybe I got spoiled a bit......I forgot the S7 days lol, but the landscape drastically changed, I fear we might be in an ASIC arms race 2.0. thats the onlything I worry about

Hi Thetaj,

What would be wrong with ASIC 2.0 race?

More innovation is always welcome.  We have an effective monopoly today, and that's never good for business.

Because trading a wolf for a Tiger is not really a trade. We're still screwed either way.

Tiger is a little bit faster though.   So it's a start. 

[QuintLeo]

Don't the Avalons need one AUC per miner?
If so how is shipping a few of them out with a controller make ANY sense?


Then again, I wish they would just get rid of the whole AUC stupidity.

[SilentMining]

Don't the Avalons need one AUC per miner?
If so how is shipping a few of them out with a controller make ANY sense?


Then again, I wish they would just get rid of the whole AUC stupidity.

1 AUC per 5/6 machines.

[Steamtyme]

Don't the Avalons need one AUC per miner?
If so how is shipping a few of them out with a controller make ANY sense?

Then again, I wish they would just get rid of the whole AUC stupidity.

You need 1 AUC for 5 Avalons. That way with the 1 controller you can set up to 20 machines.

Yeah more parts usually means more thins to go wrong, but I imagine if they designed an internal controller the price would go up; based on a redesign and extra manufacturing costs.

[Blokforge]

Here is a video for those that are just beginning with this setup.

https://youtu.be/z8r0tbUmgCU

[caxibrema]

Here is a video for those that are just beginning with this setup.

https://youtu.be/z8r0tbUmgCU

Thanks blokforge. From what I can tell is the same setup as the 741. We just have to be careful with the firmware software in the controller.

[QuintLeo]

Don't the Avalons need one AUC per miner?
If so how is shipping a few of them out with a controller make ANY sense?

Then again, I wish they would just get rid of the whole AUC stupidity.

You need 1 AUC for 5 Avalons. That way with the 1 controller you can set up to 20 machines.

Yeah more parts usually means more thins to go wrong, but I imagine if they designed an internal controller the price would go up; based on a redesign and extra manufacturing costs.

 Tradeoff is the AUC becomes a point source for failure on multiple miners, as does the controller.

 Given that the AUC is a very non-standard part, that's a significant potential ISSUE - and one reason Avalon may be short on the AUC units is folks with multiple miners buying "spares" for "just in case one FAILS" since they can't get a replacement for it anywhere else.

[bl1nd]

I cant help but wonder what is ppl thinking for paying 3500$ for a 11th miner? thats a 14 month to ROI without any diff increase.

[Bennyb1]

I cant help but wonder what is ppl thinking for paying 3500$ for a 11th miner? thats a 14 month to ROI without any diff increase.

I almost did but was one of those people who couldn't load the cart quick enough. Now I'm glad I didn't. Apart from the massive difficulty increase sure to happen in March when all the new miners arrive, there's also been rumors of new and more powerful miners coming out soon.

Seems best to just invest in bitcoin directly.

[lossol]

Lucky for you someone else beat you to checkout because ROI is now 848 days for an A821 at $3500 & 0.10/kWh. Which basically means never! All those ebayers are still paying $3500 for an S9 and $2000 for an A741 too.