I have NEVER seen Bitcoin in such a sorry state as this!!

[keithieY5]

you want to earn without pay. bitcoin jump from 10k to 20k you must have good income and can pay 60$ for fee.

bitcoin is good and fee is acceptable.

[MinarchistCoin]

Whatever you say Mr. Ver.

See ya.

I am not Roger but I will tell him that you say hi.  I will be taking the coins and hash power with me too...  

Enjoy your useless Blockstream/Mellon Coins while you still can.  

Don't you have a fake Satoshi and CIA Gavin to check in with? Enjoy your Paypal 2.0

[matanglawin]

Several transactions of mine have gone with 0 confirmations in the past several days.  And some of those I was paying 1.5X or 2X the recommended fees.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zilch.

Bitcoin has gone from being an expensive network to use to a practically unusable network.  I was defending Bitcoin against millions of tards back in 2011 and 2012.  Are they going to have the last laugh on me now?  It pisses me off to actually see some of you defending this too and saying "this is the way Bitcoin is supposed to work".  Umm... NO IT IS NOT .

I have ZERO confidence left in Core and their "developers".  Their network can't handle the slightest bit of volume without totally seizing up.  And then Adam Back is out there with the press talking about Bitcoin vendors and merchants running a tab system??  Really??  You can't do your job properly so you want people to run a tab in BTC??  You saw this coming from 10 miles away and did nothing about it.  Stupid or malicious?... you decide.

I will be converting my remaining BTC to BCH, Dash, XMR and coins that actually work! And coins that have teams that have at least a Grade 7 level understanding of economics, ie.. "when you are at capacity, you open more locations".  And not throw out "but but centralization!!" juvenile red herrings!

Long time Bitcoiner of 6 years here saying, "SEE YA LATER! CASHING OUT NOW!"

No. This is not even the worse since there are possible reasons ro this such as the season unlike on the backdrops before which made the value of Bitcoin low. And also, the market price of Bitcoin is still expensive. So there's a huge possibility that its market value will again increase. We only need to be patient to how things are going for Bitcoin now. It is more advisable to invest now since the price is low and hold until its value again, increase.

[Troysen]

Several transactions of mine have gone with 0 confirmations in the past several days.  And some of those I was paying 1.5X or 2X the recommended fees.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zilch.

Bitcoin has gone from being an expensive network to use to a practically unusable network.  I was defending Bitcoin against millions of tards back in 2011 and 2012.  Are they going to have the last laugh on me now?  It pisses me off to actually see some of you defending this too and saying "this is the way Bitcoin is supposed to work".  Umm... NO IT IS NOT .

I have ZERO confidence left in Core and their "developers".  Their network can't handle the slightest bit of volume without totally seizing up.  And then Adam Back is out there with the press talking about Bitcoin vendors and merchants running a tab system??  Really??  You can't do your job properly so you want people to run a tab in BTC??  You saw this coming from 10 miles away and did nothing about it.  Stupid or malicious?... you decide.

I will be converting my remaining BTC to BCH, Dash, XMR and coins that actually work! And coins that have teams that have at least a Grade 7 level understanding of economics, ie.. "when you are at capacity, you open more locations".  And not throw out "but but centralization!!" juvenile red herrings!

Long time Bitcoiner of 6 years here saying, "SEE YA LATER! CASHING OUT NOW!"

I think the developers wanted to happen is to make the holders hold their bitcoins so that the growth of the rate of Bitcoin wont drop deep. For me the reason why Bitcoin has a very high fees is to keep the growth of the bitcoin. They also need inputs i dare say.

[blitz18]

you want to earn without pay. bitcoin jump from 10k to 20k you must have good income and can pay 60$ for fee.

bitcoin is good and fee is acceptable.

Hope the price would be stable for the moment to be the fees be lower also. Bitcoin has the big potential to earned anyone big in this cryptocurrency. Just hold into have bitcoin price will recover hopefully.

[orions.belt19]

Several transactions of mine have gone with 0 confirmations in the past several days.  And some of those I was paying 1.5X or 2X the recommended fees.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zilch.

Bitcoin has gone from being an expensive network to use to a practically unusable network.  I was defending Bitcoin against millions of tards back in 2011 and 2012.  Are they going to have the last laugh on me now?  It pisses me off to actually see some of you defending this too and saying "this is the way Bitcoin is supposed to work".  Umm... NO IT IS NOT .

I have ZERO confidence left in Core and their "developers".  Their network can't handle the slightest bit of volume without totally seizing up.  And then Adam Back is out there with the press talking about Bitcoin vendors and merchants running a tab system??  Really??  You can't do your job properly so you want people to run a tab in BTC??  You saw this coming from 10 miles away and did nothing about it.  Stupid or malicious?... you decide.

I will be converting my remaining BTC to BCH, Dash, XMR and coins that actually work! And coins that have teams that have at least a Grade 7 level understanding of economics, ie.. "when you are at capacity, you open more locations".  And not throw out "but but centralization!!" juvenile red herrings!

Long time Bitcoiner of 6 years here saying, "SEE YA LATER! CASHING OUT NOW!"

I think the developers wanted to happen is to make the holders hold their bitcoins so that the growth of the rate of Bitcoin wont drop deep. For me the reason why Bitcoin has a very high fees is to keep the growth of the bitcoin. They also need inputs i dare say.

Another factor that contributed to the high transaction fees would be the massive adoption of bitcoin. The greediness of miners played a part on this. The forks should be there to help and improve bitcoin however it poses more problems than it actually helps. The high transaction fees are really a problem for the users and unless something is done to resolve them, then the crypto users may resolve to invest on other altcoins which offer better features.

[Findingnemo]

you want to earn without pay. bitcoin jump from 10k to 20k you must have good income and can pay 60$ for fee.

bitcoin is good and fee is acceptable.

Hope the price would be stable for the moment to be the fees be lower also. Bitcoin has the big potential to earned anyone big in this cryptocurrency. Just hold into have bitcoin price will recover hopefully.

I think the fee getting reduced slowly today.So the condition will back to normal soon.But this is most tough days for bitcoin because who bitcoin investors are chocked due to high fee and waiting time for confirmation.

[eaLiTy]

Several transactions of mine have gone with 0 confirmations in the past several days.  And some of those I was paying 1.5X or 2X the recommended fees.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zilch.

Bitcoin has gone from being an expensive network to use to a practically unusable network.  I was defending Bitcoin against millions of tards back in 2011 and 2012.  Are they going to have the last laugh on me now?  It pisses me off to actually see some of you defending this too and saying "this is the way Bitcoin is supposed to work".  Umm...

What issue are you talking about during 2012,there was no major issue during those phase in my memory,the network sucks because a couple of days back i tried with a $50 transaction fees and it took over ten hours to get one confirmation and it really sucks to make frequent transactions now,the only solution is lightening network and i am not sure when that is possible.

[3kpk3]

Op is one hilarious dude. Still find it difficult to understand how this guy accuses bitcoin in such a malicious way even after earning big profits through bitcoin(Said he was a 6 year bitcoiner). This guy is clearly one of the minority who accuses bitcoin for every small thing even after knowing that NOTHING is perfect in this world. Even the king of the crypto world has its own share of cons, but this does not discredit the fact that bitcoin has carried the entire crypto world into a new age of popularity. Think before making big statements people.

[AndrewBoltz]

Well i guess the network was not ready for the surge of investors. I think a major development to its technology should be done to be able to support its growing investors.

[Ranger4R]

but I dont's see anything wrong with BTC, in fact I think the correction was not huge enough
cause guys, really, don't you see the rise from 7k ot 19.8R was completely artificial?
if we understand that - then it is easy to expect the correction, and it was there. so all is good i think.

[Kakmakr]

Several transactions of mine have gone with 0 confirmations in the past several days.  And some of those I was paying 1.5X or 2X the recommended fees.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zilch.

Bitcoin has gone from being an expensive network to use to a practically unusable network.  I was defending Bitcoin against millions of tards back in 2011 and 2012.  Are they going to have the last laugh on me now?  It pisses me off to actually see some of you defending this too and saying "this is the way Bitcoin is supposed to work".  Umm... NO IT IS NOT .

I have ZERO confidence left in Core and their "developers".  Their network can't handle the slightest bit of volume without totally seizing up.  And then Adam Back is out there with the press talking about Bitcoin vendors and merchants running a tab system??  Really??  You can't do your job properly so you want people to run a tab in BTC??  You saw this coming from 10 miles away and did nothing about it.  Stupid or malicious?... you decide.

I will be converting my remaining BTC to BCH, Dash, XMR and coins that actually work! And coins that have teams that have at least a Grade 7 level understanding of economics, ie.. "when you are at capacity, you open more locations".  And not throw out "but but centralization!!" juvenile red herrings!

Long time Bitcoiner of 6 years here saying, "SEE YA LATER! CASHING OUT NOW!"

What is it saying when a Jr member of this forum is saying that he or she is into Bitcoin for 6 years and you are using a Alt account to QUIT?

In the 6 years that you were around, did you not use this forum? <QUIT with your main account, then we will take you a bit more seriously and while you are at it, sign a 6 year old Bitcoin adress to prove your point>

If you have been in Bitcoin for 6 years, you would have understood what manipulation is going on here and how this "high fee" situation is being fabricated by merchants & miners and people spamming the network.

SegWit was developed as the temporary solution and now nobody is using it and complaining about high fees, whilst using the old legacy adresses. <How fck'ed up is that?>

If you cannot see what is going on now, then you should support Roger Ver and his cheerleaders with BCash. <They are also shortsighted by believing that Block sizes can scale to mainstream adoption>

It cannot even scale to VISA levels. <Do the math>

 

 

[WindForce]

Boooo, BTC dropped from 20K to 13K last week...People forget even at 13K it's a monthly increase of over 60%...<g>

[Sachinist]

Several transactions of mine have gone with 0 confirmations in the past several days.  And some of those I was paying 1.5X or 2X the recommended fees.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zilch.

Bitcoin has gone from being an expensive network to use to a practically unusable network.  I was defending Bitcoin against millions of tards back in 2011 and 2012.  Are they going to have the last laugh on me now?  It pisses me off to actually see some of you defending this too and saying "this is the way Bitcoin is supposed to work".  Umm... NO IT IS NOT .

I have ZERO confidence left in Core and their "developers".  Their network can't handle the slightest bit of volume without totally seizing up.  And then Adam Back is out there with the press talking about Bitcoin vendors and merchants running a tab system??  Really??  You can't do your job properly so you want people to run a tab in BTC??  You saw this coming from 10 miles away and did nothing about it.  Stupid or malicious?... you decide.

I will be converting my remaining BTC to BCH, Dash, XMR and coins that actually work! And coins that have teams that have at least a Grade 7 level understanding of economics, ie.. "when you are at capacity, you open more locations".  And not throw out "but but centralization!!" juvenile red herrings!

Long time Bitcoiner of 6 years here saying, "SEE YA LATER! CASHING OUT NOW!"

1.5x or 2x recommended fee? BS! I've sent half a dozen txs with recommended fee and they've all gone through in the next block.

Guess you'll chicken out when(IF) any of those shitcoins ever have a network to speak of? So many dumbasses without even the most basic understanding of how blockchains work and their limitations. Centralization is a bigger problem than transient pinpricks like tx fee.

Bitcoin has a plan to not only sort out the fee but also secure the network better. Shitcoins, at best, simply rip off Bitcoin's implementations.

[emmmmm]

It is only because your handling fee is low, I also gradually do not use BTC to make the transfer, most of the time service fee is too expensive indeed is a problem, I will make the transfer through BCH.

[khaled0111]

If you are really an old Bitcoin user then you should know that coverting your BTC to BCH is not the appropriate solution.
As a Bitcoin believer you should not support greedy developers.
It is just a matter of time before all network problems get solved, and I think using SegWit would be a good start.
Bitcoin will recover soon but in the meanwhile you can use other coins.

[Zackgeno96]

No mate, there has been huge volumes on the bitcoin network and it will take some more time to find the appropriate solution. but till then we as a community member have to support the bitcoins. I agree that there has been frustration while make the bitcoins transactions but i hope the situation will be resolved in coming days. So please do not cash out all the coins, at least hold few bitcoins.

[crzy]

you want to earn without pay. bitcoin jump from 10k to 20k you must have good income and can pay 60$ for fee.

bitcoin is good and fee is acceptable.

But its too much for a people who invest small amount of money. Well this is just the problem of bitcoin right now and I do hope that the incoming fork will address this, and bitcoin will be back on track. Bitcoin will survive and make the transaction fee lower than ever for good.

[LogitechMouse]

This year is so far the best for bitcoin because from 1k$ in the beginning of the year to around 14-19k this time, no doubt this is the highest increase on the history of bitcoin. Although this is the best year for the bitcoin, it has been the worst too for me because of many problems that bitcoin can't handle like the high fees and slow tx. I will not surprised if next year, an altcoin will be closer to surpass bitcoin because of a better features of it.

[nullius]

So, I grabbed my shovel and started digging.  C’mon, folks.  Implausible as the melodramatic “long time Bitcoiner of 6 years” from a 30-post Jr. Member account did seem, it takes only one click to see that fonestar’s account was registered 2011-06-03; and a quick check of the blockchain shows that the address in his signature, 16bY6d2wisEZ78pU6UaYf6fedmN4fBhsfF, has been in use since 2013-03-14.  Only a spoon-sized shovel is required to dig up that much.

fonestar’s forum account was shows no posts from 2011 to 2014, and 2014 to December 2016, and December 2016 to December 2017 (with only one post each in 2011 and 2016).  That leaves the question:  Is the account controlled by the same person who registered it?  Of course, the only proof which could be had about the Bitcoin address would be a signature.

As for the account, my conclusion is yes, this seems to be the same individual.  And he’s a flake—surprise, surprise.  Worse than that:  You know those disaffected teenage losers who stop liking a band when it becomes popular?  That seems to sum up fonestar’s mentality.

Back in 2014, fonestar was snidely downtalking the “geezers and goldbugs” on Zerohedge—where by his own description, he was trolling:

fonestar never shuts up.  He is the Energizer bunny of Bitcoin trolls.

He had a cheap gimmick of speaking of himself in the third person, as you can see.  It made him seem so super-cool.  No, wait:  It made him sound like a total whack job.

Thus, now that Bitcoin is popular and successful, it is understandable when fonestar says the following.  Evidently, Bitcoiners are the new “geezers and goldbugs” to him; and fonestar himself is now “the Energizer bunny of BCH trolls”:

I have ZERO confidence left in Core and their "developers".

Whatever you say Mr. Ver.

See ya.

I am not Roger but I will tell him that you say hi.  I will be taking the coins and hash power with me too...  

Enjoy your useless Blockstream/Mellon Coins while you still can.  

I will be heading partially to BCash... which is the original Bitcoin that Satoshi described in his white paper.  That is also the Bitcoin that Core supported before they sold their souls to Bankers & Blockstream.

I urge you to look into Core's constant claims of "BCH is centralized!!" because these are empty, baseless claims.  Core is centralized and is trying to protect their vaunted space in the cryptosphere and censor, ban, intimidate anyone who challenges them.

I will not be going to Litecoin or any other coin that entertains the notion of off-chain gimmickry.  There is a reason Charlie sold when he did, he understands that Segwit/Lightning is a dud.

(By the way, from that last, you can tell how wildly inaccurate fonestar’s information is about everything whatsoever.  Charlie Lee, 2017-01-06: “My Vision For SegWit And Lightning Networks On Litecoin And Bitcoin”  (“You’ve probably seen that I recently started advocating for SegWit to activate on Litecoin and Bitcoin.”))

dont let the door hit you on the way out

First reply, and still the best one.  My initial reaction, exactly.