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[datguyian]

Just quit mining it after 40 orphans. 

[PoolMinor]

reserved

[pr9me]

I'm mining just fine, and I know others are as well. I will bring it to the attention of the pool operator though.

I hope you get your problem fixed!

[Sampey]

obwfNkXEadueL59yMjQCyw3VSeaHJN5kBv

[datguyian]

I'm mining just fine, and I know others are as well. I will bring it to the attention of the pool operator though.

I hope you get your problem fixed!

There's a pool? Thought it was just solo right now.

It's no biggie... there's 500 other coins to mine, I was kind of undecided on where to point my hashing power anyway. 

[bitclock]

Does this coin have a chance now that the Age of the Premine has ended? 1 million held back is a lot when 700 are made each day, years' worth! Is this offset/balanced by their stated goal of purchasing 5 million from miners?

[pr9me]

There's a pool?

Not sure if it's public yet. Sorry, I will check.

[TheSpiral]

Cool.
Diff currently: 0.24

Download links are broken on the thread, they work from the website, though.
Edit: Thread links are fixed, nevermind.

Edit 2: The faucet's captcha doesn't seem to work at all.

[datguyian]

There's a pool?

Not sure if it's public yet. Sorry, I will check.

Erph. Why would there be a private pool? I'm going to hope you meant that as in it's still in construction or something.  

[pr9me]

Erph. Why would there be a private pool? I'm going to hope you meant that as in it's still in construction or something.  

It is brand new and still testing. I'm asking if I can release the info now. Sit tight!

edit:

T-minus 1 hour until the pool is up. The admin has to get home & open the ports.

[ChekaZ]

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/927-orbitcoin-orb-official-release-thread/

released about 6h earlier on another forum..

[pr9me]

ocqWTpDaSiqVQ1mxHhNyhfVEVZDUeAuEAX 

[ChekaZ]

ocHAjJB736v6FYYYK9CPWuc6kHmKFmugpF :b

[daggerismo]

why a pool so fast? this coin is starting... how much time ago?


odRTcyqm2wrNTLtG1B6de4N3Q7w7XmD4FE

why i put my adrress??? everyone do it... im just want to be popular LOL

[SpaceCadet]

What other coin is it primarily based on?

[innovation]

oVyLPEEQMB9CffgJm3rwMv6oG4cG45oAuU

[pr9me]

released about 6h earlier on another forum..

Yep!

CryptoCoinTalk premiered Orbitcoin...

[portice]

Yep!

CryptoCoinTalk premiered Orbitcoin...

Anyone want to address the total mined in 14 years scenario?

My guess would be probably not

[iGotSpots]

Max coin cap = 31,000,000 mined over the next 500 years,
1 million sit's in the foundation wallet from the start and can be seen here (odYLBLUg6xtR8jvKus3NyzhFERwKTtTCLi)
 
Before you call pre-mine you should note that this also adds to the security of the coin, meaning in the early stages nobody could mine/buy the amount of coins needed to even try and 51% attack this master peace,,

I don't even know where to start correcting you here...let's start with, it's masterpiece, and also http://learncryptography.com/51-attack/

51% attack does not mean you own 51% of the coins lol but nice try to smooth talk your premine

[pr9me]

I don't even know where to start correcting you here...

Thanks, I'm on the Orbitcoin team, but I did not author the original ANN. I copied, formatted, and corrected it, and missed some things obviously...

As far as the inquiries of a pre-mine, you will have to submit those questions to the coin dev. I haven't seen a single ORB of the so called pre-mine. From what I know it's for development of the coin...

This is my take on the pre-mine hot topic: People's time ain't cheap! You guys want coins with good services? Who is going to pay for the labor to get those services up and running? You expect devs to work for free? If the pre-mine is spent for the betterment of the coin, I have no issue with it.

[cryptohunter]

YUCK at the block reward, block time, and the 1 million premine -


NAH

[Charles999]

1,000,000 premine..  so that's like 4,000,000 blocks premined since it's only .25 coins per block.

oh yeah this is a great coin to mine.  Let me throw my 20Mhs at this baby!!

INGENIUS IDEA!!

[cryptohunter]

1,000,000 premine..  so that's like 4,000,000 blocks premined since it's only .25 coins per block.

oh yeah this is a great coin to mine.  Let me throw my 20Mhs at this baby!!

INGENIUS IDEA!!

Yeah, but the sweetner is we will need to mine far more than 4,000,000 blocks since the reward halves each year lol

in 14 years all the miners together will have mined half of what the premine is ....


wtf are we all waiting for.....let's get cracking.

Welcome to the most insane premine of all time.

[Charles999]

"Pools
(Coming Soon!)
First pool coming thanks to Ahmedbodi!"

Uh if you were smart, you'd skip making a pool for this coin unless they paid you 100,000 coins to make it.

This one will fly by quite fast.. in today.. out today..

[pr9me]

Update

Crypto-Experts ORB Pool is now running! Thanks Ahmedbodi!

[Petr1fied]

Edit 2: The faucet's captcha doesn't seem to work at all.

I set up the faucet (Harbinger is my cryptsy username) on request of the developer and he said he'd deposit some funds there later to kick start it.

It's nothing to do with the capcha, until there are actually some funds in the account the faucet is disabled (it can't give away what it doesn't have). That's why the text box and submit button are greyed out.

It will automatically open once there are some cleared funds in the account and allow address entry only when there is enough coin to cover at least the next batch.

As I don't mine myself anymore I cannot possibly fund it myself, only those with coin can possibly fund it.

[2Kool4Skewl]

1,000,000 premine..  so that's like 4,000,000 blocks premined since it's only .25 coins per block.

oh yeah this is a great coin to mine.  Let me throw my 20Mhs at this baby!!

INGENIUS IDEA!!

Yeah, but the sweetner is we will need to mine far more than 4,000,000 blocks since the reward halves each year lol

in 14 years all the miners together will have mined half of what the premine is ....


wtf are we all waiting for.....let's get cracking.

Welcome to the most insane premine of all time.

Yo dawg, I herd you like premine, so I put a premine in your premine so you can premine while you premine

[claycoins]

1,000,000 premine..  so that's like 4,000,000 blocks premined since it's only .25 coins per block.

oh yeah this is a great coin to mine.  Let me throw my 20Mhs at this baby!!

INGENIUS IDEA!!

But, but its going to be the official currency of the moon let me get my spaceship ready.

[Magic8Ball]

Yeah, but the sweetner is we will need to mine far more than 4,000,000 blocks since the reward halves each year lol

in 14 years all the miners together will have mined half of what the premine is ....


wtf are we all waiting for.....let's get cracking.

Welcome to the most insane premine of all time.

Surely, this can not be right?

If it is, then I will just wait for giveaways from that mega premine.

[xiangbing]

oJnCVGYKjnQHVQnQZPJ6mYb8x8MGKXJHbs

[iGotSpots]

I don't even know where to start correcting you here...

Thanks, I'm on the Orbitcoin team, but I did not author the original ANN. I copied, formatted, and corrected it, and missed some things obviously...

As far as the inquiries of a pre-mine, you will have to submit those questions to the coin dev. I haven't seen a single ORB of the so called pre-mine. From what I know it's for development of the coin...

This is my take on the pre-mine hot topic: People's time ain't cheap! You guys want coins with good services? Who is going to pay for the labor to get those services up and running? You expect devs to work for free? If the pre-mine is spent for the betterment of the coin, I have no issue with it.

Simply not true, especially not at 3% of the total. Especially not with the math of how the other coins will come. I don't like being a hater on new coins, but....

[xiangbing]

why  so  many  coins    supply

{
"version" : "v1.0.0.0-orb",
"protocolversion" : 60006,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"balance" : 0.00000000,
"newmint" : 0.00000000,
"stake" : 0.00000000,
"blocks" : 1589,
"moneysupply" : 1000394.75000000,
"connections" : 9,
"proxy" : "",
"ip" : "116.28.178.96",
"difficulty" : 0.27911226,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1375311797,
"keypoolsize" : 101,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"errors" : ""
}

[Buratino]

why  so  many  coins    supply

{
"version" : "v1.0.0.0-orb",
"protocolversion" : 60006,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"balance" : 0.00000000,
"newmint" : 0.00000000,
"stake" : 0.00000000,
"blocks" : 1589,
"moneysupply" : 1000394.75000000,
"connections" : 9,
"proxy" : "",
"ip" : "116.28.178.96",
"difficulty" : 0.27911226,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1375311797,
"keypoolsize" : 101,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"errors" : ""
}

1 million sit's in the foundation wallet from the start and can be seen here (odYLBLUg6xtR8jvKus3NyzhFERwKTtTCLi)
 
Before you call pre-mine you should note that this also adds to the security of the coin, meaning in the early stages nobody could mine/buy the amount of coins needed to even try and 51% attack this masterpiece.

[kelsey]

This is my take on the pre-mine hot topic: People's time ain't cheap! You guys want coins with good services?

Yet todate I haven't seen a single alt coin with "good services" or benefit or anything other then earlier adaptors benefiting on price increases. I'm not against premines, but lets call it was it is, its not like alts dev are doing much in the way of moving alternative currencies (to fiat) in any meaningful direction.

[xorxor]

1'525'600 total coins ever mined in next 500 years to come.
1'000'000 premine [10 blocks of 100'000]
 525'600 for miners

Code:

int64 nSubsidy = 0.25 * COIN;   //0.25 block reward

	if(nHeight < 11)	 //10 blocks of premine
	{
		nSubsidy = 100000 * COIN;  //1000000 coins premine
	}

	nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / 1051200);  //reducing reward 2 times every year.
    
    return nSubsidy + nFees;

can you tell me how would you get 5'000'000 intio your fundation?

[bcp19]

1,000,000 premine..  so that's like 4,000,000 blocks premined since it's only .25 coins per block.

oh yeah this is a great coin to mine.  Let me throw my 20Mhs at this baby!!

INGENIUS IDEA!!

Yeah, but the sweetner is we will need to mine far more than 4,000,000 blocks since the reward halves each year lol

in 14 years all the miners together will have mined half of what the premine is ....


wtf are we all waiting for.....let's get cracking.

Welcome to the most insane premine of all time.

What's worse, they claim to be a 500 year coin.  30,000,000/500=60,000 per year/365=164 per day/2880 = .057 per block IF THERE WAS NO HALVING.  Starting with .25 per block, after 1 year .125, 2 years, .0625, 3 years .03125... already unsustainable.  262800 (total year 1) + 131400 (total year 2) + 65700 (total year 3) + 32850*497 = 16,786,350.

Heck, let's be crazy!  Let's keep the block rate for FIFTY YEARS!!!!! .25 per block for 50 years!  13,140,000 + 6,570,000 + 3,285,000 + 1,642,500 + 821,250 + 410,625 = 25,869,375
Damn, I thought I had it.

Ok, let's work this backwards!!! .00000001 is the smallest possible block reward, right?  let's double it, and again and again and.....wait.  After 30 years I'm at 5.36870912 block reward.  That can't be right!  15,461.8822656 coins per day * 365 = 5,643,587 coins... after 30 years that's be 11 million coins.  31 years would be 22 million, 32 years... 44 million... oops.

Well, thank god you don't have to know math to put out a clone coin!

[frobley]

1,000,000 premine..  so that's like 4,000,000 blocks premined since it's only .25 coins per block.

oh yeah this is a great coin to mine.  Let me throw my 20Mhs at this baby!!

INGENIUS IDEA!!

is 4 meewion blocks a record?
I only now mine record breaking premined coins

[pr9me]

From the dev...

It's not set to stop mining after 500 years lol...

Mined over the next 500 years, we judge this based on future mining rigs, it could in fact take much longer if theirs no advancements in the field.

[achillez]

scrypt blaaaaah!

[muddafudda]

Orbis coin coming tonight. No premine, we emailed Steven Spielberg, johnny depp and more. Expect title to read "endorsed by the stars" in the launch title.

Nothing worse that bad coins with poor math and unrealistic premines

[StephenJH]

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[broken_pixel]

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Thanks!

[794259332]

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thanks!

[muddafudda]

1.5 million total coins. Please correct the math to 66% premine

[zhuang0722]

oHEHbw2WT8mUCcNft52CyZ2aX2f2d3mMQ5 

[flyingcat]

it's a joke, 1 mil premine, and 1.5 mil total, lol

[flyingcat]

Orbis coin coming tonight. No premine, we emailed Steven Spielberg, johnny depp and more. Expect title to read "endorsed by the stars" in the launch title.

Nothing worse that bad coins with poor math and unrealistic premines

^^^^^ Agree

[huahua520]

R a good high mineral pool, the basic A 2-3 times

[forsetifox]

Well.. the zero interest POS blocks are kind of a interesting twist.

 

[xieluu]

funcking stupid coin, go to hell, fuck, it's only a piece of shit.

[xieluu]

fucking stupid coin.

[DogtownHero]

this coin is a fucking joke. 14 years to mint 580k coins, meanwhile the premine occured in approximately 30 seconds.

[muddafudda]

I heard they asked vlad to come on board and even he refused

[muddafudda]

Red mist quoted as the target price at $2, who investigates target price if its not a scamcoin

[iGotSpots]

I heard they asked vlad to come on board and even he refused

Red mist quoted as the target price at $2, who investigates target price if its not a scamcoin

I think I'm starting to get a man-crush on you

[FlyingSpocks]

I don't think this coin is going to achieve escape velocity.

[Stouse49]

Yes, indeed, these guys are right:

Please, read the original post and do the math yourself. This is not lies or gossip they are truths. I have nothing to gain from informing people of what they are getting into.

it's a joke, 1 mil premine, and 1.5 mil total, lol

1.5 million total coins. Please correct the math to 66% premine

While your main.h contains this line:

Code:

static const int64 MAX_MONEY = 31000000 * COIN;

This is the code that determines the money supply:

Code:

// miner's coin base reward based on nBits
int64 GetProofOfWorkReward(int nHeight, int64 nFees, uint256 prevHash)
{
	int64 nSubsidy = 0.25 * COIN;
	
	if(nHeight < 11)	 
	{
		nSubsidy = 100000 * COIN; 
	}
	
	nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / 1051200); 
    
    return nSubsidy + nFees;
}

There are 10 blocks of 100,000 for the premine (1 million).  The rest of the mining is governed by the infinite series (1000 years is close enough).


What will be the solution?  Change the documentation to the 1.526 million coins?

[hbnlover]

有后期支持吗

[markm]

Wow, who would have guessed the organisations cited in the original post would resort to such scams to raise funds?

What was the initial (starting) difficulty?

I am thinking they would at least have known to set it to something reasonable so if it was not we can guess this is a scam that is violating their good reputation by implying they have anything to do with this scam...

(Actually come to think of it, wouldn't at least one of those orgs know math or at least arithmetic? Hmmm...)

-MarkM-

[muddafudda]

Yeah use orbit coin in space, just use any old numbers, she'll be right

[xorxor]

curious user approaches new coin, than discovers size od premine:

[maxsolnc]

curious user approaches new coin, than discovers size od premine:

LOL you made my day 

[sumantso]

curious user approaches new coin, than discovers size od premine:

 

Well played, sir.

[justabitoftime]

1 mega premine to rule them all.

[horeaper]

Orbitcoin, great coin! I'm gonna mine it, after I parked my spaceship to the geosynchronous orbit.

[sumantso]

Orbitcoin, great coin! I'm gonna mine it, after I parked my spaceship to the geosynchronous orbit.

Why not a polar orbit? Requires less fuel to get there.

[poordeveloper]

I love this idea. I absolutely love this idea.

It's so obvious, and logical, that a specific coin must be made to be spent in space. A terrific selling argument!

And also that a 66% premine is what will make this the coin of choice of everyone (it doesn't matter, right - after all, its the only coin you will be able to use outside the Earth!!) plus we'll all recover our investments if we ever need selling (although I don't see why you think we would want to...) since "the foundation has a goal of 5 million Orbitcoin to reach and will be actively BUYING from exchanges and miners in the early stages of Orbitcoin's life".

Sounds like one of those "no-risk", "guaranteed", "or your money back" business proposals!

I am also actively BUYING just like you. I am ready to pay:

1 infinitecoin per Orbitcoin.
1.5 infinitecoins per Orbitcoin if you sell me over 3 Orbitcoins.

How's that for a deal? You know, I need coins for my summer space travel.

EDIT: Due to the huge amount of requests received, I must say there's a limit of nine hundred thousand (900,000) Orbitcoins I can buy per person.

[Lauda]

curious user approaches new coin, than discovers size od premine:

Haha gotta love this img, have to save it up!
Scamcoin n1.

[billionaire]

my miner wont launch at the listed pool. I try it with port 8339 as the getting started page says, and also 8340 as is described in the first message of this thread. Anyone know exatly what to type for address and port to get mining going here?

[whlx]

my miner wont launch at the listed pool. I try it with port 8339 as the getting started page says, and also 8340 as is described in the first message of this thread. Anyone know exatly what to type for address and port to get mining going here?

+1

[horeaper]

It's on cryptsy! For an hour

[iGotSpots]

I found a picture of their first astronaut



A video has also leaked of their first space launch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPUjhCjuz-U

[rapidfire187]

od4v7ptVQTd49hQyw5qNm5FN4Z2bpVm1rH
ORB: ty
BTC

[Lauda]

It's on cryptsy! For an hour

Removed because it sucks.

[Carra23]

oeZbR88Jtpovrsb5hKtvRd8MLid6z5Eryz if there is any giveaway. Thanks

[whlx]

Cannot connect to the pool.
------------------------------

Just solo, and mined nothing.
--------------------------------------------------------


oSmLnCRqywSsuBRrnyS7WYivocX2k5gqAn

If anybody giveaway, thanks ! ^)^

[Buratino]

I've mined 11 coins yesterday in 12 hours with 1.2MH/s. Difficulty was between 0.15-0.25.
Who knows is this coin piece of shit?

[maxsolnc]

I've mined 11 coins yesterday in 12 hours with 1.2MH/s. Difficulty was between 0.15-0.25.
Who knows is this coin piece of shit?

It's piece of WOOD for you, Buratino! 

[Lauda]

I've mined 11 coins yesterday in 12 hours with 1.2MH/s. Difficulty was between 0.15-0.25.
Who knows is this coin piece of shit?

It's shit and a scam.

[datguyian]

So it landed on cryptsy last night, and so many users hate this coin so much and back lashed on bigvern that he removed it.... How you feeling, devs?  Decided to learn how to do math yet?

[Ll_lkasz]

Solution how to bring ORB to life is simple.
Let devs sends premine to the orbit (on some non existing address), gives here transaction ID to verify.
Back ORB on Cryptsy, start mining and axchange.

?

[cryptohunter]

just let it die as a lesson to future greedy devs that stupid premines like this are not a good idea.

[Ghepetto]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing. 


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

[cryptohunter]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing. 


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

what volume changed hands? hopefully not much

[iGotSpots]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing.  


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

what volume changed hands? hopefully not much

Probably just the bribe from the devs to cryptsy...ZING

[datguyian]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing. 


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

what volume changed hands? hopefully not much

Not much at all from what I saw.... You can't really say they had a 30 million dollar bank because there's no way in hell there will ever be that kind of demand for it.

[iGotSpots]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing. 


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

what volume changed hands? hopefully not much

Not much at all from what I saw.... You can't really say they had a 30 million dollar bank because there's no way in hell there will ever be that kind of demand for it.

But dude...they have a SPACE PROGRAM!

[datguyian]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing. 


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

what volume changed hands? hopefully not much

Not much at all from what I saw.... You can't really say they had a 30 million dollar bank because there's no way in hell there will ever be that kind of demand for it.

But dude...they have a SPACE PROGRAM!

Tin foil hats 'n everything...

[iGotSpots]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing. 


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

what volume changed hands? hopefully not much

Not much at all from what I saw.... You can't really say they had a 30 million dollar bank because there's no way in hell there will ever be that kind of demand for it.

But dude...they have a SPACE PROGRAM!

Tin foil hats 'n everything...

No. Seriously. I saw this documentary on the history channel about the nazi bell anti gravity time traveling flying saucer. This coin is going to bring back the Führer

[Lauda]

Tin foil hats 'n everything...

No. Seriously. I saw this documentary on the history channel about the nazi bell anti gravity time traveling flying saucer. This coin is going to bring back the Führer

The Führer?

[GoldBit89]

Orb was listed on cryptsy for a few minutes, price was 0.3 orb/btc which translates to a 30 million dollar bank for the developers, instantly from nothing. 


LAWL


Did Ben Bernanke come up with this coin?  Sure sounds like it.

what volume changed hands? hopefully not much

Not much at all from what I saw.... You can't really say they had a 30 million dollar bank because there's no way in hell there will ever be that kind of demand for it.

But dude...they have a SPACE PROGRAM!

that hasnt had any updates since late 2011, and only 3 students for the school? Theres more teachers and such .

[bob131313]

FYI> ORB on coins-e: https://www.coins-e.com/exchange/ORB_BTC/
Time    Rate    Quantity (ORB)    Quantity (BTC)
02-Aug-13 14:47:18   0.00300000   1.99900000   0.00599700
02-Aug-13 14:38:04   0.00400000   1.00000000   0.00400000
02-Aug-13 12:33:21   0.00400000   3.00000000   0.01200000
02-Aug-13 12:21:30   0.00400000   2.00000000   0.00800000
02-Aug-13 12:21:29   0.00400000   2.00000000   0.00800000
02-Aug-13 12:21:28   0.00420000   4.00000000   0.01680000
02-Aug-13 12:21:28   0.00500000   6.92860400   0.03464302
02-Aug-13 11:57:47   0.00600000   5.00000000   0.03000000
02-Aug-13 11:20:51   0.00795000   1.26200000   0.01003290
02-Aug-13 11:05:21   0.00600000   1.76593100   0.01059559
02-Aug-13 11:04:28   0.00600000   1.00000000   0.00600000
02-Aug-13 11:01:12   0.00600000   2.23000000   0.01338000
02-Aug-13 10:59:48   0.00600000   2.00406900   0.01202441

[Ghepetto]

FYI> ORB on coins-e: https://www.coins-e.com/exchange/ORB_BTC/
Time    Rate    Quantity (ORB)    Quantity (BTC)
02-Aug-13 14:47:18   0.00300000   1.99900000   0.00599700
02-Aug-13 14:38:04   0.00400000   1.00000000   0.00400000
02-Aug-13 12:33:21   0.00400000   3.00000000   0.01200000
02-Aug-13 12:21:30   0.00400000   2.00000000   0.00800000
02-Aug-13 12:21:29   0.00400000   2.00000000   0.00800000
02-Aug-13 12:21:28   0.00420000   4.00000000   0.01680000
02-Aug-13 12:21:28   0.00500000   6.92860400   0.03464302
02-Aug-13 11:57:47   0.00600000   5.00000000   0.03000000
02-Aug-13 11:20:51   0.00795000   1.26200000   0.01003290
02-Aug-13 11:05:21   0.00600000   1.76593100   0.01059559
02-Aug-13 11:04:28   0.00600000   1.00000000   0.00600000
02-Aug-13 11:01:12   0.00600000   2.23000000   0.01338000
02-Aug-13 10:59:48   0.00600000   2.00406900   0.01202441

using these figures it's   300-790k  USD premine

[Lauda]

FYI> ORB on coins-e: https://www.coins-e.com/exchange/ORB_BTC/
Time    Rate    Quantity (ORB)    Quantity (BTC)
02-Aug-13 14:47:18   0.00300000   1.99900000   0.00599700
02-Aug-13 14:38:04   0.00400000   1.00000000   0.00400000
02-Aug-13 12:33:21   0.00400000   3.00000000   0.01200000
02-Aug-13 12:21:30   0.00400000   2.00000000   0.00800000
02-Aug-13 12:21:29   0.00400000   2.00000000   0.00800000
02-Aug-13 12:21:28   0.00420000   4.00000000   0.01680000
02-Aug-13 12:21:28   0.00500000   6.92860400   0.03464302
02-Aug-13 11:57:47   0.00600000   5.00000000   0.03000000
02-Aug-13 11:20:51   0.00795000   1.26200000   0.01003290
02-Aug-13 11:05:21   0.00600000   1.76593100   0.01059559
02-Aug-13 11:04:28   0.00600000   1.00000000   0.00600000
02-Aug-13 11:01:12   0.00600000   2.23000000   0.01338000
02-Aug-13 10:59:48   0.00600000   2.00406900   0.01202441

using these figures it's   300-790k  USD premine

Scamcoin from the begining.

[ajqjjj]

despite this currency goes against rise 

[redtwitz]

I can't decide if this is the worst scam coin ever or if you're just really bad at math.

COIN STATS
 
Orbitcoin [ORB]:
 
Max coin cap = 31,000,000 mined over the next 500 years,
1 million sit's in the foundation wallet from the start and can be seen here (odYLBLUg6xtR8jvKus3NyzhFERwKTtTCLi)
 
Before you call pre-mine you should note that this also adds to the security of the coin, meaning in the early stages nobody could mine/buy the amount of coins needed to even try and 51% attack this masterpiece.
 
Also the foundation has a goal of 5 million Orbitcoin to reach and will be actively BUYING from exchanges and miners in the early stages of Orbitcoin's life.

POW/POS Advanced Hybrid
 
0% POS reward, the proof of stake was only added for the extra security and nothing more,  
We believe the rich getting richer isn't what crypto currency is about,
but coins that can't be 51% attacked is!... (The first implementation of 0% reward POS)
 
Block Reward = 0.25 per block, halves yearly till 0.00000001 is reached then continues to be mined till the max coin cap on 31million is made.
30 Second Block Targets

With a 30 second block target, there will be 2 × 60 × 24 × 365 = 1,051,200 blocks per year.

The reward per block will have dropped to 0.00000001 ORB after 24 years, so 1,051,200 × 0.25 × 2 = 525,600 ORB will be minted in the first 25 years.

Since you've already pre-mined only 1,000,000 ORB, you have to wait until an additional 4,000,000 − 525,600 = 3,474,400 ORB have been minted to be able to reach your foundation's goal. At 0.00000001 ORB block reward, 1,051,200 × 0.00000001 = 0.010512 ORB will be minted each year, so this will take 3,474,400 ÷ 0.010512 = 330,517,504 = 330.5 million year if you buy all minted coins.

After 500 years, only 525,600 + (500 − 25) × 0.010512 = 525604.9932 ORB will have been mined. That means that 1,000,000 ÷ 1,525,604.9932 = 0.655477666 = 65.5 % of all ORB will come from the premine. It's also far off from the 30,000,000 ORB cap, which will be reached after (30,000,000 − 525,600) ÷ 0.010512 = 2,803,881,279 = 2.8 billion years...

[Lauda]

I can't decide if this is the worst scam coin ever or if you're just really bad at math.

With a 30 second block target, there will be 2 × 60 × 24 × 365 = 1,051,200 blocks per year.

The reward per block will have dropped to 0.00000001 ORB after 24 years, so 1,051,200 × 0.25 × 2 = 525,600 ORB will be minted in the first 25 years.

Since you've already pre-mined only 1,000,000 ORB, you have to wait until an additional 4,000,000 − 525,600 = 3,474,400 ORB to reach your foundation's goal. At 0.00000001 ORB block reward, 1,051,200 × 0.00000001 = 0.010512 ORB will be minted each year, so it will take 3,474,400 ÷ 0.010512 = 330,517,504 = 330.5 million years to reach your foundation's goal.

After 500 years, only 525,600 + (500 − 25) × 0.010512 = 525604.9932 ORB will have been mined. That means that 1,000,000 ÷ 1,525,604.9932 = 0.655477666 = 65.5 % of all ORB will come from the premine. It's also far off from the 30,000,000 ORB cap, which will be reached after (30,000,000 − 525,600) ÷ 0.010512 = 2,803,881,279 = 2.8 billion years...

Good job on the calculations. It's just a very bad scam.

[Stouse49]

I can't decide if this is the worst scam coin ever or if you're just really bad at math.

COIN STATS
 
Orbitcoin [ORB]:
 
Max coin cap = 31,000,000 mined over the next 500 years,
...
 
Block Reward = 0.25 per block, halves yearly till 0.00000001 is reached then continues to be mined till the max coin cap on 31million is made.
30 Second Block Targets

With a 30 second block target, there will be 2 × 60 × 24 × 365 = 1,051,200 blocks per year.

The reward per block will have dropped to 0.00000001 ORB after 24 years, so 1,051,200 × 0.25 × 2 = 525,600 ORB will be minted in the first 25 years.

Since you've already pre-mined only 1,000,000 ORB, you have to wait until an additional 4,000,000 − 525,600 = 3,474,400 ORB have been minted to be able to reach your foundation's goal. At 0.00000001 ORB block reward, 1,051,200 × 0.00000001 = 0.010512 ORB will be minted each year, so this will take 3,474,400 ÷ 0.010512 = 330,517,504 = 330.5 million year if you buy all minted coins.

After 500 years, only 525,600 + (500 − 25) × 0.010512 = 525604.9932 ORB will have been mined. That means that 1,000,000 ÷ 1,525,604.9932 = 0.655477666 = 65.5 % of all ORB will come from the premine. It's also far off from the 30,000,000 ORB cap, which will be reached after (30,000,000 − 525,600) ÷ 0.010512 = 2,803,881,279 = 2.8 billion years...

I must disagree with some of the math provided by redtwitz, as I think the long term prospects of this coin are "undefined."

Here is the code for the block reward.

Code:

// miner's coin base reward based on nBits
int64 GetProofOfWorkReward(int nHeight, int64 nFees, uint256 prevHash)
{
int64 nSubsidy = 0.25 * COIN;

if(nHeight < 11)	
{
nSubsidy = 100000 * COIN;
}

nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / 1051200);
    
    return nSubsidy + nFees;
}

The math provided by redtwitz is certainly right for the first 25 full years.  After that, the Block Reward will be zero (not 0.00000001).  The block reward is calculated by a right shift operation.  The default subsidy is 0.25, which is stored by the client as 25000000.  This happens to be a 25 bit number.  If you take a 25 bit number and right shift it by 25 bits (for 25 years), the result is zero.  Therefore after 25 years, no ORB will be added to the money supply.  The proof of stake is also 0% (no coins minted).

What gets really interesting is after 64 years.  The subsidy is stored as a 64 bit number.  The result of right shifting a 64 bit number by 64 bits is undefined.  The windows 8 calculator gives this result for such an operation: "Result not defined."  This could crash the program, or perhaps the result will be filled with garbage, which will be an arbitrarily large number (which will be larger than the MAX_MONEY).  Who knows what will happen.

This coin gets funnier and funnier the more one thinks about it.

[muddafudda]

I quite simply shut down my coins e account and won't trade there. Scammer of the year has a new icon, the red mist

[Stouse49]

After running a simulation of the Block Reward over time (99 years), I found that maximum number of coins is 1,525,597.12385600.  This is somewhat shy of the theoretical result of 1,525,600.00 (what would result from the infinite series).  Integer math does have its limitations.

The reward does go to zero after 25 years.  Using Microsoft Visual C++ 2008, nothing strange happened after 64 years.

[kbroadfoot]

Can this coin be solo mined from the client with "setgenerate true -1"?

[iGotSpots]

Can this coin be solo mined from the client with "setgenerate true -1"?

Probably, but I wouldn't even bother with this coin if I were you

[Lauda]

Can this coin be solo mined from the client with "setgenerate true -1"?

Probably, but I wouldn't even bother with this coin if I were you

+1 it's a failed scam.

[xxrforone]

https://btcltc.com/home/index/notice/id/20

[Lauda]

https://btcltc.com/home/index/notice/id/20

[zhangjia1005]

  I think the currency pair advance 1,000,000 ORB no benefit, I do not dig the ORB.

[Lauda]

If it had no premine, correct math, it could have been something.

[muddafudda]

That red mist is a shitstain on cryptos. Fucking wanker

[cryptohunter]

boycott coins-e, they must have been bribed big time to put that up, at least cryptsy took that crap down. Coins-e are enabling scams like this.  That premine was a crazy %.  I thought 1-2% max was allowed?

They have plenty of bribe money available though, i mean i see a few dev projects using that junk. I mean who has any of it anyway except the devs?

[muddafudda]

Three yes post and I release orbis coin, orbitcoin clone minus the premine

[whlx]

Pool is down?

[Lauda]

Three yes post and I release orbis coin, orbitcoin clone minus the premine

No, no, no. Enough?

[muddafudda]

Three yes post and I release orbis coin, orbitcoin clone minus the premine

No, no, no. Enough?

So you want his coin to thrive

[Lauda]

Three yes post and I release orbis coin, orbitcoin clone minus the premine

No, no, no. Enough?

So you want his coin to thrive

I don't want anything in relation to ORB.

[muddafudda]

Correct answer

[Lauda]

Correct answer

Let me PM you about that coin of yours, that is a possibility.

[dwma]

THis coin just released on cryptsy.  Lol.  Where will it go ?

[CaptChadd]

With the spelling and lots of other interesting things on their website, I don't think Orbit.

[Gontxi]

Avg Profitability Past 7 Days: 1 451,50%

Current price in cryptsy: 0.00140000 BTC

Difficulty: 0.30418

Pointing miners

[almightyruler]

orbitcoind grabs a heap of CPU for some reason. A basic RPC call like 'getinfo' can take 10 to 20 seconds to respond.

The server itself is not at 100% load.

No change with the newer 1.2 version. It's still a CPU hog, even when it's synced and there are no blocks to verify for a minute or two. It seems to be stuck in a loop doing SOMETHING. Any ideas?

[Gontxi]

Avg Profitability Past 7 Days: 1 727,64%

Current price in cryptsy: 0.00144872 BTC

Difficulty: 0.32056

[nordicminers]

Re-launching my Orbitcoin pool as per request of acckiller. Lets bring this coin alive again

http://orb.nordicminers.eu

1% fee, proportional payouts and no delays in payouts. 0% Fee during the holidays. Merry X-mas!

[Monzsta]

Re-launching my Orbitcoin pool as per request of acckiller. Lets bring this coin alive again

http://orb.nordicminers.eu

1% fee, proportional payouts and no delays in payouts. 0% Fee during the holidays. Merry X-mas!

I just jumped in the deep end with 600 kh/s.  I've been a fan of your pools.

[saromman]

Re-launching my Orbitcoin pool as per request of acckiller. Lets bring this coin alive again

http://orb.nordicminers.eu

1% fee, proportional payouts and no delays in payouts. 0% Fee during the holidays. Merry X-mas!

I just jumped in the deep end with 600 kh/s.  I've been a fan of your pools.

Does this pool work?

Code:

 
Round Shares Submitted shares since last found block (ie. round shares)
Est. Shares	241 (done: 111608.71%)
Pool Valid	268977
Your Valid	3642
Pool Invalid	508
Your Invalid	5

Left it on overnight and still 0 confirmed 0 unconfirmed

[MisO69]

What happened to this coin?

[lulutis2000]

are there any wallet or pool alive?

[Mad_Max]

No working pools and solomine not work too (at all = 100% rejects). 5th day now
Although transactions are still going through - but only at the rare POS blocks. (if there was no POS generation network would already be dead)

I think i can temporaly fix network (it is a buggy code, although the original developer thinks that this some kind of attack on network and conspiracy against him     ).
But i even cannot compile it from sourse:
on the official site only binary files.
And source at https://github.com/Orbitcoin/Orbitcoin not compile - lot of random errors (wrong path, wrong includes, wrong functions call from libs etc). Think it is not same version from which it was current binaries for windows created...


I Try
both console deamon and full GUI QT wallet.
MinGW 4.8.1
QT 4.8.5
boost (source of majority of problems at compiling) boost_1_43, boost_1_50 / boost_1_53 / boost_1_55
db-4.8.30.NC
openssl-1.0.1

[almightyruler]

I think i can temporaly fix network (it is a buggy code, although the original developer thinks that this some kind of attack on network and conspiracy against him     ).

Would the network stalling be anything to do with the reward change? Won't that affect validating blocks if the network is split between old and new code?

orbitcoin 1.0

Code:

        int64 nSubsidy = 0.25 * COIN;

        if(nHeight < 11)
        {
                nSubsidy = 100000 * COIN;
        }

        nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / 1051200);

orbitcoin 1.2

Code:

        int64 nSubsidy = 0.25 * COIN;

        if(nHeight < 11){nSubsidy = 100000 * COIN;}
        else if (nHeight > 1051200){nSubsidy = 0.25 * COIN;}
        else if (nHeight > 2102400){nSubsidy = 0.125 * COIN;}
        else if (nHeight > 3153600){nSubsidy = 0.0625 * COIN;}
        else if (nHeight > 4204800){nSubsidy = 0.03125 * COIN;}
        else if (nHeight > 5256000){nSubsidy = 0.015625 * COIN;}
        else if (nHeight > 3994560000){nSubsidy = 0 * COIN;}       ********

******** g++ complains "warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type" about the last conditional, which I guess means the client will keep generating coins forever.


======

This is what debug.log says when my miner submits a found block. I'm not that familiar with the code but I guess it could mean there's an issue with the difficulty calculation. Miner is finding block at supplied difficulty, client rejects PoW as it's the wrong difficulty?

Code:

BitcoinMiner:
new block found
  hash: 0000000a0cd72247dfb722bfb8e594367038b1c1c4733ae288c45a9631b4a592
target: 0000000fd7140000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
CBlock(hash=0000000a0cd72247dfb722bfb8e594367038b1c1c4733ae288c45a9631b4a592, ver=4, hashPrevBlock=a85d39f3db0d3648e91f1a8d631fe863104d891432625b77dbff65f5f1e29c7b, hashMerkleRoot=1651473609dd90780cdf0fdca9925d51fb81d4cfb486e7fcd3fdd08a6857a263, nTime=1388708165, nBits=1d8fd714, nNonce=2906194432, vtx=1, vchBlockSig=3046022100fdf6c348fc7f909754e30ee88c3484b1e7d9b3d84570592e39d6991b1c5666a3022100e339281ed4efb86ac9097bd4801b7cc1608f6fb986772f80c16307b70b480908)
  Coinbase(hash=1651473609, nTime=1388706796, ver=2, vin.size=1, vout.size=1, nLockTime=0)
    CTxIn(COutPoint(0000000000, 4294967295), coinbase 036e4706025209062f503253482f)
    CTxOut(nValue=0.25, scriptPubKey=03d5548c59fc86215680f1f6e645e8aa6e22a719503129a268327acc1cd7f976df OP_CHECKSIG)
  vMerkleTree: 1651473609
generated 0.25
ERROR: CheckProofOfWork() : nBits below minimum work
ERROR: CheckBlock() : proof of work failed
ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED
ERROR: BitcoinMiner : ProcessBlock, block not accepted

BTW I am able to compile the source, but I'm only using the headless daemon under *nix.

[Mad_Max]

2 almightyruler
No this changes activates only after 1051200 (1 mil) blocks. But now we at ~410k blocks only. Some bugs it in POS realisation part (Inherited from BitBar/YAcoin or even from NovaCoin or PPCcoin - not sure ORB was forked from, some sight in code point to NovaCoin, but may be fork of the fork of fork...) - sometimes (in some rare situations) POS produce buggy(incorrect) block but it pass check and not rejected/orphaned but included in blockchain.
After this monent all other PoW bloks will be regarded as invalid and rejected - only PoS accepted.
 

P.S.
After many hours I could finally build it under windows. But now it crash just after start...
Will try recompile QT itself + boost from source next time before  compile client. But it so looong and slow...

[almightyruler]

2 almightyruler
No this changes activates only after 1051200 (1 mil) blocks.

Right, I understand the code now, in the original nSubsidy was shifted zero bits (no change) until after block #1051200. The code rewrite makes it clearer.

But now we at ~410k blocks only. Some bugs it in POS realisation part (Inherited from BitBar/YAcoin or even from NovaCoin or PPCcoin - not sure ORB was forked from, some sight in code point to NovaCoin, but may be fork of the fork of fork...) - sometimes (in some rare situations) POS produce buggy(incorrect) block but it pass check and not rejected/orphaned but included in blockchain.
After this monent all other PoW bloks will be regarded as invalid and rejected - only PoS accepted.

This sounds a little what has happened to CloudCoin (CDC). In that case, PoW blocks are being generated by miners, but the network is reversing most of them within a few minutes. Looks like ORB is not accepting PoW blocks at all though.

For comparison, last 24 hours in the blockchain...

CDC: 1399 PoS blocks, 0 PoW
ORB: 48 PoS blocks, 0 PoW

Both coins broken.

Are a lot of other derived coins with the same bugs going to start failing?   

[Mad_Max]

YES - it is not OrbitCoin exclusive bug. It was inherited from the previous forks.
Just need some rare confluence of conditions for its manifestation.

Bay the way. After of few days of compiling and debugging i finaly patch code and successfully compile/build it under Windows!
My small patch is working - i can mining (PoW) normal now. (I am at 411847 block already - started from current last PoW block 411577 )
But all need to apply this patch or network will be forked. (2 exchanges and block explorer - most important part)

Here is my new (1.2.1) version of OrbitCoin client:
Windows binary: http://yadi.sk/d/8BiaEltqFR844

For those who want to see the all changes in code and try to compile yourself i will try make fork on GitHub (although I have never done that yet, and even there is not registered)

P.S.
To all - do NOT make any transaction now - until it is not clear which of the forks win.

[almightyruler]

Very interested to see the code changes - I'm using *nix so need to compile from source

BTW, overnight CloudCoin went into "locked" mode, just like ORB, only PoS blocks make it into the network now. Mining doesn't work at all.

I believe AndroidTokens (ADT) is also having the same problem.

[Mad_Max]

Will do full github fork later.
But main (only necessary) patch is very simple. You can do it youself:
just open src/main.cpp find this function: unsigned int static GetNextTargetRequired

and add code:

int64 nActualSpacing = pindexPrev->GetBlockTime() - pindexPrevPrev->GetBlockTime();

    if (nBestHeight >= 411228 && nActualSpacing < 0) nActualSpacing = 0; // patch to prevent negative nActualSpacing

And compile. If you can connect to my node and sync to ~412100 blocks(>19 billion trust score) or more - you do all right  
Bacup wallet.dat ofcourse before try.

I make few other minor updates (like protocol and client version info update) - but they all are optional.

411228 - is last normal block before PoW is broken. Initially i think we need fork blockchain from it... But i try start mining from latest PoS block - and it works too.
So no need to orphan last ~300 PoS bloks   (it may include some real transactions)

[almightyruler]

Very tired now so I'm having a quick look and trying to understand the problem. Is it as simple as the time of two adjacent blocks being out of sequence, the more recent one having an older time, resulting in a negative number when calculating the last time period?

Code:

31-Dec-2013 13:56:33 height: 411227 mint: 0.25 difficulty: 0.17286038 flags: proof-of-work
31-Dec-2013 14:56:05 height: 411228 mint: 0.25 difficulty: 0.17353002 flags: proof-of-work
31-Dec-2013 13:58:21 height: 411229 mint: 0.25 difficulty: 0.05879355 flags: proof-of-work
31-Dec-2013 14:07:36 height: 411230 mint: 0 difficulty: 0.00024414 flags: proof-of-stake

So somehow a block which based on timestamp should have been around #411235 ended up in the blockchain at #41228. The next block was the final PoW one.

That's enough to cause the network to get stuck?

I can see the same thing happened to CDC earlier this morning.

Is this a hard fork where EVERYONE will need to update their client in order to mine, or will it be sufficient for the majority of the network to update?

[fast-pool.com]

ORB THREAD TO REMOVE WTF?


[ANN] Orbitcoin (ORB) Official Release Thread - Scientific POW/POS Adv. Hybrid

[almightyruler]

Does look like a hard fork - everyone will have to adopt the fix. Don't hold much hope, over in the Stablecoin thread there have been about 4 new releases over the past 6 months, some peers are still running the original client!

[Mad_Max]

Very tired now so I'm having a quick look and trying to understand the problem. Is it as simple as the time of two adjacent blocks being out of sequence, the more recent one having an older time, resulting in a negative number when calculating the last time period?

Code:

31-Dec-2013 13:56:33 height: 411227 mint: 0.25 difficulty: 0.17286038 flags: proof-of-work
31-Dec-2013 14:56:05 height: 411228 mint: 0.25 difficulty: 0.17353002 flags: proof-of-work
31-Dec-2013 13:58:21 height: 411229 mint: 0.25 difficulty: 0.05879355 flags: proof-of-work
31-Dec-2013 14:07:36 height: 411230 mint: 0 difficulty: 0.00024414 flags: proof-of-stake

So somehow a block which based on timestamp should have been around #411235 ended up in the blockchain at #41228. The next block was the final PoW one.

That's enough to cause the network to get stuck?

I can see the same thing happened to CDC earlier this morning.

Is this a hard fork where EVERYONE will need to update their client in order to mine, or will it be sufficient for the majority of the network to update?

Yes - wrong timestamps of blocks - is a part of conditions to trigger bug. But PoS involved too - of no PoS blocks mined at same time - wrong PoW blocks will be just orphaned and situation selfcorrected after some time (few hours MAX). But with PoS block at same time (and without full check in PoS gen code) wrong PoW blocks are sealed in the blockchain and can not be orphaned by PoW miner (it can be orphaned by other PoS miners but they do not do so as PoS code does not see any problem in such blocks and regard them as valid)

About fork. Actually we have 2 options:
fork from 411227 block then only majority of miners(PoS miners mainly)  need to update. After miners with updated client build longes chain (compared to stuck one) on all other(not updated) clients all blocks after 411227 will be orphaned and replaced by new chain without invalid blocks automatically. Without any soft updates.
And my first patch was this version - i just BAN (blacklist) block 411228 and rebuild blockchain - PoW mining start normal working from 411227 block.
But later I refused this option - because it creating a large number of orphan PoS blocks (which can include some real important transaction for the last 5-6 days) + this variant need a large number of PoS miners with large amounts of coins in stack to quickly generate at least 400-500 PoS blocks and overtake the current chain + this NOT prevent such bugs again in future.

In second patch i remove block ban and add simple check for negative time spacing. No need to orphan current blockchain, but all will need to update because old clients not accept blocks from new (even if it from longest chain). If not all update clients it will lead to blockchain fork to 2 parallel chains.
So it is some sort of hardfork now...

[Mad_Max]

Does look like a hard fork - everyone will have to adopt the fix. Don't hold much hope, over in the Stablecoin thread there have been about 4 new releases over the past 6 months, some peers are still running the original client!

Actually need 2 exchanges (cryptsy.com and coins-e.com) and block explorer (i know only one working with orbitcoin - https://andarazoroflove.org/explorer/orbitcoin/block_crawler.php) to update they their wallets, and the rest will not have so much choice 

I already send tickets/e-mail to admins of exchanges (cryptsy.com and coins-e.com) with description of the current situation on OrbitCoin.
All interested persons can duplicate my requests for the speed up response...

Does anyone know the administrator contacts of the block explorer?

And please crosspost(or just links here) info to:
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/2736-looks-like-orbitcoin-is-over/
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/2719-warning-chain-appears-broken-or-under-attack/
My registration on cryptocointalk still not validated/activated after few days

[almightyruler]

Hmmm. About 10 mins ago there was a -1338 block adjustment (412931 -> 411593) and suddenly difficulty dived from 0.01x to 0.0003x

With difficulty this low it's almost like I'm the only one mining this... another unintended fork?

[Mad_Max]

Yes lot of new blocks was orphaned.(almost all)

Code:

REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1354 blocks; c4eacae0919a7b7d9339..0000002aa34a235c528d
REORGANIZE: Connect 16 blocks; c4eacae0919a7b7d9339..fa732229effe372f145a

But NO it is not new fork. It is revert to original blockchain.
It because I am NOT banned old original clients (1.0 and 1.2) for now in my version. We can sync both to old and new clients now(while old can sync to old only and ignore blocks from new). So our entire new blockchain was orphaned by main chain (stuck one - without PoW) because PoS blocks have much MUCH more weight in OrbitCoin. (near x 1 000 000)
So client sync to main PoS chain and start building new chain from it again.

To prevent this happend again and again we need PoS miner with new updated wallets to generate enough own PoS blocks in new blockchain.
I connect my own PoS wallet with ~ 5000 coins, but it still not  enough to overweight old chain.
My wallet produce 15 PoS blocks in new chain today. After old chain accumulated >15 PoS blocks my 15 PoS (+ all PoW >1300 blocks) was orphaned.

So please stop PoW mining at new chain for now - it's a waste of resources at the moment because all PoW mined blocks can be canceled at any time by few PoS blocks.
We need critical mass of PoS miners in new chain first!

[BrewCrewFan]

Yes lot of new blocks was orphaned.(almost all)

Code:

REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1354 blocks; c4eacae0919a7b7d9339..0000002aa34a235c528d
REORGANIZE: Connect 16 blocks; c4eacae0919a7b7d9339..fa732229effe372f145a

But NO it is not new fork. It is revert to original blockchain.
It because I am NOT banned old original clients (1.0 and 1.2) for now in my version. We can sync both to old and new clients now(while old can sync to old only and ignore blocks from new). So our entire new blockchain was orphaned by main chain (stuck one - without PoW) because PoS blocks have much MUCH more weight in OrbitCoin. (near x 1 000 000)
So client sync to main PoS chain and start building new chain from it again.

To prevent this happend again and again we need PoS miner with new updated wallets to generate enough own PoS blocks in new blockchain.
I connect my own PoS wallet with ~ 5000 coins, but it still not  enough to overweight old chain.
My wallet produce 15 PoS blocks in new chain today. After old chain accumulated >15 PoS blocks my 15 PoS (+ all PoW >1300 blocks) was orphaned.

So please stop PoW mining at new chain for now - it's a waste of resources at the moment because all PoW mined blocks can be canceled at any time by few PoS blocks.
We need critical mass of PoS miners in new chain first!

That is going to be a tough cookie to get done right there. To many people will still run vs one of the wallet I am sure.

[Mad_Max]

Yeah tough. But who said that overtake hybrid PoW+PoS criptocoin should be easy?
It is tough by design. Even such small and weak as OrbitCoin

Although I think that now to establishment control enough to keep online (with temporarily unlocked wallet if it is encrypted, otherwise PoS generation does not work) about 3-5 wallets updated to new ver with coins (from 5 to 15 days had lain motionless) coming in by the middle-sized transactions to generate sufficient PoS blocks (more than in the current dying blockchain).
So all who whant to try are welcome. Because of  reward for PoS blocks in OrbitCoin set to 0% you have nothing to lose in any case - even if all of your blocks will then be canceled/orphaned in the end. But with PoW mining decide for yourself - if new chain fail the whole chain of spend work/electricity lost.

[Mad_Max]

By the way - original developer (RedMist) made his move.
Seeing that patch like mine really works and solves the problem he stopped talking about the mythical attacks on its network and released its official version of the same patch (client ver 1.3.0).
But to avoid version conflicts decide delay its activation to block >417000.
That at the current rate will take a few months (since blocks are added only through PoS - and PoW is still not working without activation of the patch).

And i place own version with with immediate patch effect.
For this time i issued it according to all rules in the form of source code as fork from original code on GitHub:
https://github.com/MaxMaximus/Orbitcoin

[DJTrey]

remove

[Mad_Max]

Forget to add new Windows Binary (source form https://github.com/MaxMaximus/Orbitcoin compiled with: MinGW 4.8.1 + Qt 4.8.5. Libs: Berkeley DB 4.8.30, boost_1_53, miniupnpc-1.6, openssl-1.0.1):
http://yadi.sk/d/Aj6PZakdFTsbc

Previous version (1.2.1) removed.

[testbug]

Forget to add new Windows Binary (source form https://github.com/MaxMaximus/Orbitcoin compiled with: MinGW 4.8.1 + Qt 4.8.5. Libs: Berkeley DB 4.8.30, boost_1_53, miniupnpc-1.6, openssl-1.0.1):
http://yadi.sk/d/Aj6PZakdFTsbc

Previous version (1.2.1) removed.

Thx for your work Mad_Max, but i still cant solo mine...
"New" Orbitcoin-QT is still creating a 99.99% CPU state.

Is this normal at this time, the chaing getting broken?

Greetings.

[Mad_Max]

Thx for your work Mad_Max, but i still cant solo mine...
"New" Orbitcoin-QT is still creating a 99.99% CPU state.

Is this normal at this time, the chaing getting broken?

Greetings.

Hi
Stuck at 411665 (or 411666) block?
Lol funny sitiation. My versions of fix (1.2.1) works and fix problem with PoW mining - i am try it myself + few other ppl - all work great - we me mine ~1300 block on. But was orphaned by PoS blocks from main (original) chain. Later more (~500-700) PoW blocks and so on.
But later original developer (RedMist) do its own version of patch (with delay until block #417000).
So later i make new version as fork from original - just replace # of blocks from distant future to close moment (from block #411650).
And seem what official patch NOT fix situation! It works only to one next "buggy" block in blockchain and PoW fails again.
Buggy block was #411665 (negative time spacing to prev #411664 again) - and PoW mining died again after this block. PoS still working (#411666 was my test PoS block).

So if we stick to official client we just waste one or few month of time (before #417000) + work of people that will update the software to version 1.3 and shortly after #417000 network will stuck again and return to current situation.
I do not know whether it was an accidental mistake or is it all a provocation initially (eg to undermine confidence in the currency and buy it cheaper, then to release a real patch and earn a Big on growing rate).

I will look/test why original patch not solve problem later...
If anybody know good coding and criptoclient can look at code
Why this fix (my)

Code:

if (nBestHeight >= NNNNNN && nActualSpacing < 0) nActualSpacing = 0; // patch to prevent negative nActualSpacing

work (resume PoW mining)
and this (official)

Code:

 int nHeight = pindexPrev->nHeight+1;

 if (nHeight >= NNNNNN & nActualSpacing < 0) nActualSpacing = 0;  //Sanity Check on nActualSpacing, corrects negative block values

Not fix?

NNNNNN - # of block there patch activates.
In my quickie observations offical fix do pevent making buggy blocks by itself BUT if such blocks sent by other client (by older version or  especially my some "pest") network fails again.

[Mad_Max]

Got some free time and performed a detailed analysis and debugging code(requiring another full recompile of QT and all related libraries - about 10 hours only for full recompilation) associated with the patch.
Indeed - despite the fact that at first glance my patch and official patch do the same thing really big difference.
In the official version PoW Mining does not work at all: not only for now, but will NOT work after a few months (after the block 417000) too!.
So today or tomorrow I will once again update my version(it will be v.1.3.2) and go back to the original version of my PoW patch (as was in version 1.2.1).

[Mad_Max]

Finally new version(1.3.2) of OrbitCoin client with working patch to fix PoW mining.
Source: https://github.com/MaxMaximus/Orbitcoin

Windows binaries coming soon.

Fix will activates from block 412300.
At time at publishing new version at GitHub current block was 412109. Now (at writing this post ~5 hours later) current last block is 412131. So patch will activate tomorrow or in the next 2 days judging by the current rate of PoS blocks generation.
So  enough time to download the source, check it, compile and synchronize with the current full blockchain without rushing before starting.

After block #412300 1.3.2 client will activate PoW mining but still continue syncing to current (buggy and PoS only) blockchain until one of the following conditions(what happen sooner):
1. Sufficient number of active miners miners (primarily PoS miners have value) switch to using the new version and be able to build longer (and with great PoS weight) chain compared to the old and be able to support it ahead of the old
2. In the old blockchain will appears next new "bad" block(incorrect blocks such as that are causing disruptions to PoW Mining now), which will be rejected by new client (because in it appropriate bug was fixed) and synchronize with the old chain will cease from this block.

[Oldminer]

OP has requested thread removal - this coin out of Orbit? 

[Cutiecats]

OP has requested thread removal - this coin out of Orbit? 

Nah, they just faked it like the moon landing.

[Mad_Max]

And now v.1.3.2 binaries for Windows: Orbitcoin_1.3.2

By the way - if somebody start downloading blockchain from scratch (genesis block) and got stuck at some block (for example # 411229) - just restart program and blocks continue downloading.
These are exactly the same "bad" blocks due to which PoW mining fail. The patch corrects error but it can not do anything with the blocks already included in the blockchain before.

[MathiasW]

I can't seem to sync, no contacts are found.

Edit: Fix proposed by Mad_Max below did work, thank you!

[Mad_Max]

MathiasW
if it first installation (or new in separate folder with separate database folder) try to add few first nodes manual
In data folder create (or edit if already existed) Orbitcoin.conf
and add some nodes:
addnode=203.45.89.214
addnode=95.27.219.139
addnode=178.27.212.144

After it restart client.

Seems orbitcoin has other bugs too and receiving the initial list if nodes after first/clean installation (when a local nodes list in peers.dat file is empty) through the IRC channel not working properly...

[testbug]

Hi,

thank you for another Update Mad_Max.

I downloaded it and tryed to mine solo, but it didnt seem to work.
Should it be working now again or do we have to wait for a later auto generated block?

greetings.

[Mad_Max]

Hi

As I wrote few posts above:

Fix will activates from block 412300.
At time at publishing new version at GitHub current block was 412109. Now (at writing this post ~5 hours later) current last block is 412131. So patch will activate tomorrow or in the next 2 days judging by the current rate of PoS blocks generation.
So  enough time to download the source, check it, compile and synchronize with the current full blockchain without rushing before starting.
.....

Right now we are at block # 412255.
So patch is not activated yet, need 45 more PoS blocks in original blockchain before PoW in new client kicks in and start "who have a longer dick chain?" game. 

No any manual intervention is longer required - if the wallet is already synchronized with the mother-chain (to block number # >=412255) changes will apply automatically when chain reach block # 412300.

[testbug]

Ah, ok. Thanks for answering such fast

But i have the feeling, that blocks are faster generated right now compared with two days ago.

Greetings.

[almightyruler]

New hard fork point passed, mining fine, then -193 block correction and back to the pre-fork difficulty of 0.05879355...

Does this mean that older PoS clients are overriding the new hard fork?

edit: difficulty back down to 0.00026726... I guess until the next network reversal

[almightyruler]

block 412301 proof-of-stake trust = 19742642560
block 412302 proof-of-stake trust = 19743691137 (after PoW blocks on hard fork chain reversed)

Difference : 1048577

So it looks like a PoS block adds more than a million to trust, but a PoW block only adds 1 (one!)

This probably means that in the short term - until people with substantial ORB holdings upgrade their client - each PoS block is going to wipe out all newly mined PoW blocks? It's impossible to mine 1048577 PoW blocks before a PoS block is generated.

This is the same problem CDC has, PoS blocks regularly reversing all PoW blocks.



edit: second reversal, around 519 PoW blocks discarded. There is probably no point mining this coin at this time.

[Mad_Max]

Does this mean that older PoS clients are overriding the new hard fork?

edit: difficulty back down to 0.00026726... I guess until the next network reversal

Yes this correct - this continue until one of the 2 conditions:
- older PoS clients produce one more "bad"(invalid) block(same as cause fail of PoW mining)  - it will be rejected by all new clients and make sync to old "PoS-only" chain impossible
- new clients start produce more PoS blocks and will "outweigh" the old chain - new chain became primary/canonical

[Mad_Max]

block 412301 proof-of-stake trust = 19742642560
block 412302 proof-of-stake trust = 19743691137 (after PoW blocks on hard fork chain reversed)

Difference : 1048577

So it looks like a PoS block adds more than a million to trust, but a PoW block only adds 1 (one!)

This probably means that in the short term - until people with substantial ORB holdings upgrade their client - each PoS block is going to wipe out all newly mined PoW blocks? It's impossible to mine 1048577 PoW blocks before a PoS block is generated.

This is the same problem CDC has, PoS blocks regularly reversing all PoW blocks.



edit: second reversal, around 519 PoW blocks discarded. There is probably no point mining this coin at this time.

Yes you got situation correctly. PoS adds tons of trust - original ORB dev reduced weight of PoW Mining to almost zero (it only used for the issue of new coins)

But important refinement - not every block in old PoS chain rolls back all PoW blocks - for new clients PoS mining works too and adds same trust (>= 1 mill each) too.
And some PoS miner already work on new clients in new chain (including my own wallet with lots of relative old coins)
So rolls back happens only when old clients manages to create a longer chain of PoS blocks.

[Mad_Max]

edit: second reversal, around 519 PoW blocks discarded. There is probably no point mining this coin at this time.

Yes

PoW Mining at new client currently makes little sense - if only for the test(make sure it works), curiosity or just some fun - with small hashing power.
For example i connect only one my weakest card (HD 5770 ~ 150 kh/s). All other (now i have 7 card in 2 comps total) mining LiteCoin and other more stable ALTs

Now we need to increase production of PoS blocks first.
If you want to help with this - I can give advice how to produce more PoS blocks- welcome to PM.  

[testbug]

@Mad_Max

once again nice work man

I think it's good, haveing you around orbitcoin

The solo mining seems to be working again, also hashrate just increased to 7MH/s on the total pool.

But, i send some coins as a test to my trading acc on crypts and coins-e and they didnt show up yet.

I have the bad feeling, that we are just creating a total new independet blockchain and all transactions, being established, to old wallets will get lost.

Please tell me that this isn't right, i am a sth like a noob for coins

Greetings and a NICE WEEKEND =)=)=)

[leahayay]

@Mad_Max

once again nice work man

I think it's good, haveing you around orbitcoin

The solo mining seems to be working again, also hashrate just increased to 7MH/s on the total pool.

wow coin revived, party time thanks

[almightyruler]

But, i send some coins as a test to my trading acc on crypts and coins-e and they didnt show up yet.

I have the bad feeling, that we are just creating a total new independet blockchain and all transactions, being established, to old wallets will get lost.

Same. I can mine, and I sent a small amount to cryptsy (existing balance, NOT newly mined), but it's not showing.

[testbug]

But, i send some coins as a test to my trading acc on crypts and coins-e and they didnt show up yet.

I have the bad feeling, that we are just creating a total new independet blockchain and all transactions, being established, to old wallets will get lost.

Same. I can mine, and I sent a small amount to cryptsy (existing balance, NOT newly mined), but it's not showing.

I still have that issue. Also coins-e.com transaction id verification isnt accepting my transaction ID.
Maybe this will just need some time, until other wallets are getting updated. Transaction from my virtuall machine test wallets on new version are working perfectly, also from my old wallet to my new test wallet.

[Mad_Max]

@Mad_Max

once again nice work man

I think it's good, haveing you around orbitcoin

The solo mining seems to be working again, also hashrate just increased to 7MH/s on the total pool.

But, i send some coins as a test to my trading acc on crypts and coins-e and they didnt show up yet.

I have the bad feeling, that we are just creating a total new independet blockchain and all transactions, being established, to old wallets will get lost.

Please tell me that this isn't right, i am a sth like a noob for coins

Greetings and a NICE WEEKEND =)=)=)

Of course we creating new blockchain now.
But it is not total new - up to some point of time (near 11-12 Jan 2014 i think, need to compare chains to figure out concrete block number from which there was a division) it is a 100% 1:1 copy of original blockchain. After this moment(now) it is separate and independent.

Any transaction to exchanges will not pass as long as they use the old(official) versions of the client.

In cryptocoins world no any transaction/coins never lost until you lost your wallet.dat(private keys for coins) or send it to a nonexistent address.

In particular this coins from example (send from new client to service or user who use old client and can not see this transaction right now) will be available to the payee as soon as he updates its client software and rescan new blockchain.
Or as alternative if exchanges and main part of other Orb user refuse to upgrade to the new version you can always downgrade (install an older official version) and use old wallet.dat from bacup and all the coins are in place (as in the old blockchain the respective transactions is absent and coins not spend).
Excluding coins received in last days from PoW mining of course (because PoW does not exist in the old ver) - these coins will disappear after downgrade.

[Mad_Max]

Think i found point of blockchain fork for official(PoS only) and new (with PoW fixed)

Code:

hash=fb62148fa9a6fbebf83dc1ef748fa6b10f92645716ad866d23c8d4d02693f437  height=412348  trust=19791931471  date=01/10/14 07:38:26

It was another "time traveling block"

..................
1cc6da2ef20005762ac22b76bc08ced73f4a12454f82428b269374c8eb8b1af9  height=412343  trust=19786685690  date=01/10/14 07:32:47
9b88065a229c80a60f11ff95e6be7ca5804d546f79fbbb435b1f977488e00496  height=412344  trust=19787734267  date=01/10/14 07:33:37
0e7e6bc8b243f336f159c5b2850660a17a2b794d05081495b12bdea9e50778e7  height=412345  trust=19788782844  date=01/10/14 07:35:34
6d9667e4a2006910daaab4b9c180cbfecabbbe2e98cb2f43d6d0292ff2106c26  height=412346  trust=19789831421  date=01/10/14 07:35:59
090d5bb1d7e1a04e3d641f1486320f08ced44dc98277dde3c3c52892ab670e0f  height=412347  trust=19790882894  date=01/10/14 07:38:38
fb62148fa9a6fbebf83dc1ef748fa6b10f92645716ad866d23c8d4d02693f437  height=412348  trust=19791931471  date=01/10/14 07:38:26
..................

Same as ruined PoW mining in previos time (at 30/31 Dec 2013) (although at that time deviation of time was much more - near an hour)
So it was corrected in my version by added patch and NOT corrected in old official versions.
This led to differences in all subsequent blocks after #412384  and the impossibility of further synchronization between old and new versions

[Mad_Max]

If anybody need here fresh list of nodes running new clients (for clean install or if any difficulties with sync):

Code:

addnode=95.24.6.40
addnode=122.150.39.166
addnode=89.28.89.80
addnode=137.116.129.120
addnode=24.47.5.209
addnode=79.130.27.252
addnode=46.175.28.101
addnode=92.112.193.46
addnode=122.150.54.85
addnode=178.27.212.144
addnode=94.153.88.241
addnode=79.227.29.59
addnode=79.130.29.35
addnode=217.149.245.226
addnode=37.197.139.221
addnode=85.73.238.16
addnode=176.14.86.146
addnode=83.82.139.178
addnode=62.43.129.239
addnode=46.53.195.144
addnode=176.215.208.217
addnode=146.255.2.70
addnode=77.186.193.245
addnode=146.90.107.117

[AltCurrency]

Wow orb is skyrocketing!!!

[Mad_Max]

Wow orb is skyrocketing!!!

And price is fall back (~ 3 times) already
But somebody already bought ~40k coins. This is the way nearly half of all issued coins (except premine)
Probable it is first part of 'buy-back' operation from original dev (TheRedMist).
And all story with PoW mining down, mythical stories about attacks on the network, artificial long delays with fix, the release of non-working patches, disappearance from the Internet for more than a week, ignoring all questions and appeals and so on - just parts of plan for sow some panic / disbelief in coin to crash exchange rates and buy coins very cheap.
And then all wishing to sell will end - the developer will appear "in shining armor on a white horse" and finally release a working version fixes and begin to address other issues. And start pumping the exchange rate.

[Mad_Max]

Hmm

Looks like some of the people using new ver somehow stuck on the side blockchain.
Last 2 days I see strange activity in the new network - some clients with fewer block count (about 100-400 blocks behind) and lower levels of trust score are connecting but instead to be synced with the latest the longest chain instead try to send their own blocks from shorter chain.
Or start to download part of longest blockchain many times in a circle (somewhere in the 411k to 421k, then back to ~411к, download to ~421k, back to 411k and so on ) .

Maybe it's some kind of sabotage to new fork (this situation creates a lot of parasitic traffic on the network and create a high load on CPU where new client running ) but possibly a just some failure/glitch and of these clients for some reason just can not sync normally...

Owners of the following ip addresses should pay attention:
137.116.129.120   
203.45.89.214
89.28.89.80
31.17.16.109

If you do NOT do  something special (such as tests of their own modified versions of the client) check the logs - you may have to redownload the whole blockchain again. (delete blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat from data folder, add fresh list of nodes and start again, -rescan wallet after sync)
If while you are mining PoW now - stop it - all mined blocks will be orphaned. In fact they already orphans now, just for some reason your client can not synchronize with the main chain.
For the record - the current best chain for the unofficial (1.3.2) client:

Code:

new best=6ae14cd4b9e7cc092519c17e00bfeb1098aafb0ffd3850537b86314e77d25cd1  height=427915  trust=20093010506  date=01/15/14 17:27:52

(time is GMT/UTC)

[breakbeater]

I added the new nodes, deleted blockchain (2 times), but my client synced only until block 427654.
You said -  "the current best chain height=427915"
What can i do?

[andrewha2010]

Hmm

Looks like some of the people using new ver somehow stuck on the side blockchain.
Last 2 days I see strange activity in the new network - some clients with fewer block count (about 100-400 blocks behind) and lower levels of trust score are connecting but instead to be synced with the latest the longest chain instead try to send their own blocks from shorter chain.
Or start to download part of longest blockchain many times in a circle (somewhere in the 411k to 421k, then back to ~411к, download to ~421k, back to 411k and so on ) .

Maybe it's some kind of sabotage to new fork (this situation creates a lot of parasitic traffic on the network and create a high load on CPU where new client running ) but possibly a just some failure/glitch and of these clients for some reason just can not sync normally...

Owners of the following ip addresses should pay attention:
137.116.129.120   
203.45.89.214
89.28.89.80
31.17.16.109

If you do NOT do  something special (such as tests of their own modified versions of the client) check the logs - you may have to redownload the whole blockchain again. (delete blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat from data folder, add fresh list of nodes and start again, -rescan wallet after sync)
If while you are mining PoW now - stop it - all mined blocks will be orphaned. In fact they already orphans now, just for some reason your client can not synchronize with the main chain.
For the record - the current best chain for the unofficial (1.3.2) client:

Code:

new best=6ae14cd4b9e7cc092519c17e00bfeb1098aafb0ffd3850537b86314e77d25cd1  height=427915  trust=20093010506  date=01/15/14 17:27:52

(time is GMT/UTC)

It is certainly a glitch, because I mine solo with new wallet 1.3.2.0 (one of mentioned IPs is mine) and nothing I send to cryptsy or coinse is valid. And I burned the electricity for nothing as I understand from your message and I certainly do nothing special with the client. I'm re-downloading the chain now..

[Mad_Max]

I added the new nodes, deleted blockchain (2 times), but my client synced only until block 427654.
You said -  "the current best chain height=427915"
What can i do?

Not sure what is happening and what is the cause of problems with synchronization...
If problem still persist (i sow what 2 client from my warning list now synced OK, may be one of them you) you can also try to connect to one of the fully synchronized node directly and see what comes of it.
In Orbitcoin.conf replace temporarily
all addnode= by one connect=
as ip try first 2 from my list above (its online, fully synced and ports is open for inbound connections at time as i write this post)
If even this not help i would like have a look at the file debug.log from data folder. If the problem persists and you do not mind sharing some personal information also contained in it (like ip address, folder where client installed, time when it is run) and send me a link to the archive via PM.
I will try to determine the cause of such behavior.

P.S.
Generally there is a simple, fast and 100% working way to catch up with the current chain - I can just upload to online storage archive with files  blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat from fully synchronized client.
But this is the wrong/bad way to sync ...

[Mad_Max]

It is certainly a glitch, because I mine solo with new wallet 1.3.2.0 (one of mentioned IPs is mine) and nothing I send to cryptsy or coinse is valid. And I burned the electricity for nothing as I understand from your message and I certainly do nothing special with the client. I'm re-downloading the chain now..

I warn about risk of PoW mining in new fork from beginning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265555.msg4426523#msg4426523

Number of nodes online with new client running and port is open(by ISP,router,firewall,settings in client) for incoming connection is still too low to form stable well interconnected network...

My guess what happened - a few clients(nodes) appeared in an isolated sub-network - with active connections to each other (which allows you to start mining and the client indicates that it is synchronized with the network) but with no links to the rest of the network. Later when such a link established something prevented  client from dropping the current (lagging) chain and synchronize with the main (for example number of blocks to be orphaned my be somehow limited, and ORB  produce a lot of blocks fast - just one day in "isolation" = near 3000 blocks differences between the chains, which the client would try to replace at one time if connect to client with other longer chain) . And since this nodes fail to sync to main chain they continued to build its own separate chain in parallel...

About exchanges read my other post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265555.msg4426523#msg4426523

[almightyruler]

About exchanges read my other post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265555.msg4426523#msg4426523

Sent you a PM about that 6 days ago.

[Mad_Max]

Code:

[quote author=almightyruler link=topic=265555.msg4539881#msg4539881 date=1389852226]
Sent you a PM about that 6 days ago. ;)
[/quote]
Sorry, have missed this message.
Sent recommendations to PM. 

Update to list of nodes with new client (1.3.2) running (although only part of them have open ports for inbound connects)

addnode=94.181.77.215
addnode=85.17.81.169
addnode=85.9.211.234
addnode=95.24.7.97
addnode=209.173.81.165
addnode=81.99.211.24
addnode=72.221.71.145
addnode=173.88.48.75
addnode=203.214.145.50
addnode=46.246.89.30
addnode=94.153.88.241
addnode=162.243.9.179
addnode=87.236.196.77
addnode=217.149.245.226
addnode=76.95.191.10
addnode=203.45.89.214
addnode=96.52.20.52
addnode=108.185.77.100
addnode=185.15.248.81
addnode=106.68.188.152
addnode=23.226.229.149
addnode=84.46.24.244
addnode=122.150.39.166
addnode=89.28.89.80
addnode=206.188.78.215
addnode=137.116.129.120
addnode=24.47.5.209
addnode=69.165.133.70
addnode=82.24.30.12
addnode=79.130.27.252
addnode=46.175.28.101
addnode=92.112.193.46
addnode=124.169.206.182
addnode=178.27.212.144
addnode=79.227.29.59
addnode=37.197.139.221
addnode=85.73.238.16
addnode=176.14.86.146

Current best chain

Code:

new best=0000001b01e02d943a96abed3ca8d728dac67dff48219e141be60a33f3771f89  height=506593  trust=21606793339  date=02/13/14 05:39:25

[bigtop1967]

Why does the OrbitCoin website say NOT to download any newer client from here?  They say current client is 1.3.0, not 1.3.2

Which is correct?  Will these different clients mess up the network?

Site also says that normal mining will renumber after block 417000.

If I mine with my current client (1.3.0) I dont get many blocks, but they are all invalid or orphaned (which is what i was expecting until block 417000)

Can anyone clarify this?

[Mad_Max]

bigtop1967
Because owner of this site and original dev (he usually using the nickname TheRedMist) do a lot of mindless stupid things that led to that coin is dying now.
And now just afraid that people are moving to my version and he may lose control of the coin because of their own stupidity.

Yes it is a conflict between versions in the network. Not such a mess now, network was just split to 2 segment around a week ago (re-read last 2 pages in this thread) which now work independently and are not specifically interfere with each other (and even little help to each other, as the ~98% of blockchains are still the same blocks, so initial blockchain download can occur from any version online - its compatible until blocks around #413000-#414000 and later)
Part of the network use official versions where only PoS is working. This chain at block #416184 now and waiting for block #417000 mark
Other part of the network use my version (1.3.2) with working patch to PoW mining. This chain at block #436416 now already

And network will be splited once more at block #417000 After this point it will be 3 blockchain forks:
- formed by all user who still use any of previous official versions (1.0, 1.1, 1.2) (and in a network a lot of users even with v. 1.0 because of another stupidity or/and carelessness of RedMist - he can not even correctly update his own website so lot of people still downloading, install and use a version 1.0 instead of the latest)
- who decide to upgrade to "patched" official version (1.3.0), which actually not fix anything and will need next another patch/upgrade later which will be incompatible with any current version or 1.3.0
- who choose my version with really working patch (1.3.2) and PoW mining right now

And after RedMist pull his head out of his ass and finally will understand that what he had been told for weeks is truth - he will be forced to release another more version, not compatible with the all previous again. Causing another forking of blockchain once more.

So you just need to choose which version (and blockchain) to follow.

P.S.
I will do large post with a brief history of what was happening with OrbitCoin last month and all of my own actions later today.

[Mad_Max]

Here is complete story about last month of OrbitCoin from my point of view.

1. Big problems begins 30-31 December 2013 - ALL PoW mining fail (all miners start getting 100% reject rate)
All original clients currently used (1.0, 1.1, 1.2) can not mine PoW at all, and PoS mining was very weak and slow - due to a relative small number of users and the lack of motivation for PoS mining (as 0% interest rate for PoS miners is set by original dev)

2. Cause of this problem - some drawbacks of code and bad selection of basic parameters (constants) when lunch this coins (some additional detail in this and following posts https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/2684-theredmist/page-2#entry26484).

3. But original developer instead of looking for the cause of the problem and fix the code talked about the ongoing attacks on its currency and some Conspiracy against it and him personally (though not surprising - that coin from beginning especially for fans of various conspiracy theories made by one of the such fans). Evens after few users (who use this coins, including me) directly pointed him (on this forum, cryptocointalk and in private messages) to the problem areas in the code and possible corrections he held version of "attacks." and preferred just sit and wait - as attacks cease all will work.

4. This situation continued for 6 or 7 days. Until I released (here on bitcointalk) a version with my own variant of correction - v. 1.2.1 which instantly fix problems with PoW mining and proved that the problem in the code, not some mythical attacks. It was just test/demonstration version.

5. In few hours after it original dev (TheRedMist) released the official version with similar (but not exactly the same) correction - v. 1.3.0.
Where had gone the same argument about the attacks and conspiracy? I think this version was ready to advance before my, but adhered with a some unknown purpose...

But in his version (1.3.0) activation of fix is delayed to block #417000. Near 6000 blocks ahead at moment of release. Taking into account not working PoW mining(no PoW blocks at all) and low rates of PoS Mining (about 100 blocks per day, and a tendency to slow down) in real time it can take several months. It is good for a some planned upgrade, but unacceptable for urgent critical fixes!
Later (after ~week) was a huge speed up of PoS mining (thinks it RedMist start use large stakes from his premine to speed up reaching #417000 mark) so now(after ~2 weeks) we are close to #417000. But at original speed it will be like 1 or 2 month delay
 
6. And even more than that BIG delay - i take this code (from v.1.3.0) as a basis (in my another version - 1.3.1) and I found that this official fix actually does not fix the problem even after the designated block # 41700 - PoW Mining still will not work! Not sure about that if it was error because of lack of knowledge and programming skills or is a some kind of planned sabotage to PoW mining from original dev. (He holds in his hands most of the all coins issued by giant premine  and may not be interested in the new minting reducing his share - if no new coins minted he can do anything with the coin and the exchange rate at any time as they wish and it is a very comfortable position that can bring huge profits out of nothing).

I post information about official fix will not work(not resume PoW mining) to forum (on cryptocointalk and here) but it was ignored by dev (RedMist) for few days more. He just simply goes off-line for more than a week and stopped to answer any questions and messages.

7. So looking for this situation i make and release one more version with own (working) variant of fix (it actually same as was in my test version v. 1.2.1) - 1.3.2. This time not just binaries but opensource on GitHub as fork from original version 1.3.0 so anybody  can easily track all changes i made and make sure that my version is safe: https://github.com/MaxMaximus/Orbitcoin
Activation of my fix was delayed for ~ 200 blocks (~ 2 days) to allow time for interested users to check the code changed, compile, download the initial chain of blocks (if install from scratch). And call Orb user to update from official to my version if they want resume PoW mining and fast transactions(now they are slow - due to low rate of PoS mining) return back.

And now my version (1.3.2) work in parallel to official (1.0, 1.1, 1.2.0, 1.3.0).
Patch to fix PoW mining already activated, PoS mining working normal too. So we already pass block #417000 long ago.

At some point 2 blockchain seems already forked - I expected such a development of situation though not doing it specifically (initially my version fully synced with all old versions) and did not expect it to be so soon - we was just hit by another "bad" block with incorrect timestamps on the official blockchain  of that old official versions and my new fixed ver treated differently and therefore the all next blocks after this point were incompatible (blocks created in 1.3.2 not pass checks in older versions and created in the old ver not pass checks in new so they just ban each other after several unsuccessful attempts to synchronize)

P.S.
Initial i have no any plans of overtaking control of this coin. I am was just active user of this coin:
- i solo mined this coin on my own mining farm as it was a little more profitable if compared to LiteCoin or other well established alt_coins  
- i trading (speculating) with it on COINS-E and later on Criptsy
- i hold relative large amouts of this coin as part of my mid/long term investments (~ 5000-7000 coins it is near ~ 1.5-2 btc at moment of failure, but already 3-4 times less now due collapsed exchange rate due blunt and incompetent behavior of the original developer)

So i just want coin fixed as soon as possible and unhappy about weak and slow response of the original developer to such BIG problems

My short plan was:
1. determine the cause of coin failure - done
2. find bugs in code, fix(patch) it, release new fixed version both source (on GitHub) and binaries - done
3. draw attentions of all Orb users to problem and possible solution - almost done
4. to ensure that as many users as possible upgrade to my revised version instead of the official - in progress
5. convince exchanges to update their clients to my version too by longest blockchain and multiple request from different users of new ver - no progress for now (seems the original dev TheRedMist simply offered them a part of coins from his giant premine in exchange for that they will stick to his versions only)

I do not have long term plan though from beggining...
But now it seems the only way to fix this situation is to become the new dev of Orbitcoin instead of the original RedMist as he did not intend to any cooperate and only wants everybody "fuck off" (exact quote of his words) with their claims and complaints about the critical functions not working "only" a just a month (what a trifle compared with 4000 years as he say   ) and he lost communication "only for a week". And left him alone with a coin in his full disposal.

[bigtop1967]

Wow!

Thanks for the info!  A few more questions:

If I mine with your client, will I be able to transfer coins to cryptsy?

Is the duifficulty different with the different clients?

Can you just clarify - if I mine with the 1.3.0 client, are you saying I still wont get anything after block 417000?

Do all these forks basically mean we have different coins?

Thanks again for your help - what a shame a dev is being so uncooperative.....it's just not cricket!

[Lovok]

I'm afraid that 1.3.2 blockchain will never be accepted as there is still official 1.3 blockchain (maybe still broken but 'somehow' functional and used on exchanges). From my point of view, only this scenario is possible:
1. determine the cause of coin failure
2. convince exchanges to suspend exchanges - giving them facts from previous step - only this will force original author to really act
3. determine on which version to continue: official (if it become really fixed)/forked (if original author refuses to cooperate)
4. in case that forked version will be chosen, start building blockchan from the point where it progressed on official version until selection was done (else there is big problem when part of official blockchain gets discarded, and also everything mined on 1.3.2 turns into premine!)
5. exchanges adopt to version from previous steps

Anyway, I've setup 1.3.2 node for syncing to prove it works, but be warned that mining on 1.3.2 = wasting resources for nothing.

Code:

addnode=87.236.196.77

It's pity that even author of fixed version has technical facts on his side, everything else is still on original authors side. So point 2 of my scenario is crucial.

Maybe Mad_Max should make new thread for continuing discussion, because this thread with 'delete thread' will not bring ORB users here as it should.

[almightyruler]

Wow!

Thanks for the info!  A few more questions:

If I mine with your client, will I be able to transfer coins to cryptsy?

Not unless Cryptsy decides to recognise the fork and changes to the nonofficial chain. That's the biggie.

Can you just clarify - if I mine with the 1.3.0 client, are you saying I still wont get anything after block 417000?

The negative gap calculation is fixed in 1.3.0 so mining on the official chain should start working again at 417000. Until then only proof-of-stake blocks can be generated by clients.

I've noticed the rate of PoS generation has slowed down recently; possibly miners who are switching off their clients and walking away... or maybe those who have updated to the non official client and are on a different chain. This lower rate of PoS generation means it will take longer than expected to get to block 417000.

Code:

Number of PoS blocks per day:

1328 13-Jan-2014
 631 14-Jan-2014
 471 15-Jan-2014
 431 16-Jan-2014
 390 17-Jan-2014
 234 18-Jan-2014
 216 19-Jan-2014
 155 20-Jan-2014
 124 21-Jan-2014 (estimate)

[almightyruler]

I wrote a simple prog that works out the average time per PoS block over a sample range of the previous 10 to previous 100 blocks, then uses those averages to estimate how long it will be until block 417000.

Current estimate range: 36.9 to 70.8 hours

[almightyruler]

I've just noticed the logical/bitwise mixup in the fix on the official client.   Too tired to work out how this bug/mistake will play out... but I guess PoW mining past the 417000 fork is either going to fail immediately, or work for a bit then fail.

We'll find out soon enough.


edit: block 417000 reached approx 50 mins ago. It appears to have failed immediately. Back to square one.

[Mad_Max]

Wow!
Thanks for the info!  A few more questions:

- If I mine with your client, will I be able to transfer coins to cryptsy?
- Is the duifficulty different with the different clients?
- Can you just clarify - if I mine with the 1.3.0 client, are you saying I still wont get anything after block 417000?
- Do all these forks basically mean we have different coins?

Thanks again for your help - what a shame a dev is being so uncooperative.....it's just not cricket!

Answers to these questions are actually already given if you read attentively the previous messages. Or you not understand something in my posts?
Well again briefly:

- No, you can not transfer fresh mined coins to cryptsy right now. You can transfer them only to those who also uses this version. Accordingly transfer to the exchanges will be possible only when (if) it upgrade to the new version too - then coins mined now can be transfered and traded. For now only p2p trade is possible.
I have already sent such the request to both exchanges where ORB traded. But i need to be supported by other users to show there they want to use at exchange new updated client instead of the broken official too, and it is not just only my wish.
So send a message (via tickets or email) with such a request on own behalf.
You can refer to my ticket #62004 on criptsy (where I gave a detailed account of the situation to administration) or to this thread in you message to shorten your request
  
- YES and NO simultaneously.
Formally as now the blockchain is also forked yes - the difficulty in each chain is different. But in fact from the end of last year, PoW mining is working only in my version, so that there is only one difficulty in practice. It floats as usual depending on the amount and activity of miners in the range about from 400 to 2000 (0.006 to 0.03)
And the difficulty of the official version it makes no any sense - what is shown as the difficulty in official client and the different monitoing sites(as they use official ver too) is just frozen value(= 4137) from December 30/31, which has not changed because no one could obtain a single PoW block since.

- Yes it what i say last 2 weeks.
And as block #41700 was already reached today you can check this yourself. Or read posts in this threads:
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/2736-looks-like-orbitcoin-will-resume-at-block-417000-in-the-meantime-do-not-use-unofficial-fork/page-6
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/3464-its-nearly-block-417000-please-update-to-orb-version-13-once-reached/page-2
where many users of the official version wrote they do not see any positive changes after 417000 as i pedicted long ago (it was relative easy - i just test and debug official code so can forecast how it will be working after patch activation). Although exist possibility that the original developer(RedMist) has already prepared another working version, which he will now begin to use for himself and/or friends. But the version that is laid out in public access by them as official "fix" - does still not work with the PoW even after target block.

- Not really. Rather are 2 versions of the same coin. Which may merge back into one later. Or one wins and the other die. Or continue to exist both in parallel. Time (and your actions including too) will show.

[Mad_Max]

The negative gap calculation is fixed in 1.3.0 so mining on the official chain should start working again at 417000. Until then only proof-of-stake blocks can be generated by clients.

I've noticed the rate of PoS generation has slowed down recently; possibly miners who are switching off their clients and walking away... or maybe those who have updated to the non official client and are on a different chain. This lower rate of PoS generation means it will take longer than expected to get to block 417000.

Code:

Number of PoS blocks per day:

1328 13-Jan-2014
 631 14-Jan-2014
 471 15-Jan-2014
 431 16-Jan-2014
 390 17-Jan-2014
 234 18-Jan-2014
 216 19-Jan-2014
 155 20-Jan-2014
 124 21-Jan-2014 (estimate)

You as a programmer could understand before, that will be no significant changes after 417000 as negative gap not fixed properly


Nope. If you rebuild your statistic(please do so and post here) from beginning of this year you will see what PoS mining rate was low from start.
Until RedMist not go back online ( do not know where he was - he wrote something about a trip to Bulgaria...) and was scared by users transition from him to my unofficial version he greatly sped up the rate of PoS mining. Not sure how exactly but time and reason coincide exactly and point to him - possibly by using big stocks of coins from premine (with large stakes of coins PoS blocks are mined much faster / easier even with single client running) or just start runing all their wallets on different machines 24/7 and asked to do the same friends and acquaintances to reduce the time to reach block #417,000.
Otherwise at the initial rate it would take up to 1.5 months to reach this target. As we approach the given point just drop their support and network returned to its "normal" state as it was at the beginning of the year.
So actually we hit 417000 earlier than originally expected (at the release time of version 1.3.0)

P.S.
And now (after 417000) i see additional users updates to my ver (by activity in network - clients with new ip and downloading blocks starting from #417000 and from #0). Do not saw such activity in last ~3-4 days before #417000.

[bigtop1967]

Wow!
Thanks for the info!  A few more questions:

- If I mine with your client, will I be able to transfer coins to cryptsy?
- Is the duifficulty different with the different clients?
- Can you just clarify - if I mine with the 1.3.0 client, are you saying I still wont get anything after block 417000?
- Do all these forks basically mean we have different coins?

Thanks again for your help - what a shame a dev is being so uncooperative.....it's just not cricket!

Answers to these questions are actually already given if you read attentively the previous messages. Or you not understand something in my posts?
Well again briefly:

- No, you can not transfer fresh mined coins to cryptsy right now. You can transfer them only to those who also uses this version. Accordingly transfer to the exchanges will be possible only when (if) it upgrade to the new version too - then coins mined now can be transfered and traded. For now only p2p trade is possible.
I have already sent such the request to both exchanges where ORB traded. But i need to be supported by other users to show there they want to use at exchange new updated client instead of the broken official too, and it is not just only my wish.
So send a message (via tickets or email) with such a request on own behalf.
You can refer to my ticket #62004 on criptsy (where I gave a detailed account of the situation to administration) or to this thread in you message to shorten your request
  
- YES and NO simultaneously.
Formally as now the blockchain is also forked yes - the difficulty in each chain is different. But in fact from the end of last year, PoW mining is working only in my version, so that there is only one difficulty in practice. It floats as usual depending on the amount and activity of miners in the range about from 400 to 2000 (0.006 to 0.03)
And the difficulty of the official version it makes no any sense - what is shown as the difficulty in official client and the different monitoing sites(as they use official ver too) is just frozen value(= 4137) from December 30/31, which has not changed because no one could obtain a single PoW block since.

- Yes it what i say last 2 weeks.
And as block #41700 was already reached today you can check this yourself. Or read posts in this threads:
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/2736-looks-like-orbitcoin-will-resume-at-block-417000-in-the-meantime-do-not-use-unofficial-fork/page-6
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/3464-its-nearly-block-417000-please-update-to-orb-version-13-once-reached/page-2
where many users of the official version wrote they do not see any positive changes after 417000 as i pedicted long ago (it was relative easy - i just test and debug official code so can forecast how it will be working after patch activation). Although exist possibility that the original developer(RedMist) has already prepared another working version, which he will now begin to use for himself and/or friends. But the version that is laid out in public access by them as official "fix" - does still not work with the PoW even after target block.

- Not really. Rather are 2 versions of the same coin. Which may merge back into one later. Or one wins and the other die. Or continue to exist both in parallel. Time (and your actions including too) will show.

Thanks - I just wanted to have a really clear picture of whats going on, as i'm sure others do.   I appreciate you taking the time to fully explain it - as i'm sure others do too.

[almightyruler]

You as a programmer could understand before, that will be no significant changes after 417000 as negative gap not fixed properly

Yes, I had seen you mentioning that things would still not work past block 417000 for the official release, but I didn't understand exactly what that meant until I happened to look at the source about 10 hours before it hit 417000. The problem is that he's used a bitwise & operator rather than a logical && operator, right? I pointed this out to him in a thread on cryptocointalk but he seems to have ignored that, instead suggesting it's the network fighting it out.

I don't know whether to bother recompiling to show him that the one little extra "&" in the source will fix PoW mining, or just sit on my hands and wait for the exchanges to go for your chain instead.

[Mad_Max]

2 almightyruler
You need deeper look in code, young padawan  

Yeah, his mind seems so overflooded by various conspiracy theories that it no longer remains a place for good portion of logic, analysis and programming skills    So recompiling to show him that it is a just error/glitch will not work likely. I already try such thing(and offer to other ORB users do so)  - not helps. Actually all my current fork began from such an demonstration attempt (read my stories above)
And if you continue to post to him about errors in code again and again he will probably thinks what you are just my clone or one of the members of the hidden group organized by me specifically to destroy his beloved currency  
There must be in the end at least some conspiracy!

But "just sit on my hands and wait for the exchanges to go for your chain instead" not an option too. A rolling stone gathers no moss
At least post some request to both exchanges (as i described in previous post to bigtop1967) from you behalf too.

And i think it is time to start building some infrastructure for new(current) fork.
May be u can start online block explorer for new ver? Seems you have needed skills.
Because currently no any block explorers at all. Even official one is broken now: https://andarazoroflove.org/explorer/orbitcoin/block_crawler.php
(it fail few days ago before block #417000, not sure why)

I can do such things myself but have a lack of time last days...
I can even offer award (bounty) for it to keep things more interest. Say 300 ORB coins for start.
It will be from new(my) fork. So in principle, anyone can mine their own right now, but 300 coins is equivalent to 1200 PoW blocks mined (+some orphans and rejects).
Even with the current very minimal difficulty it will take few days of mining on average GPU (or u need bring powerfull mining farm)

P.S.
It is not dedicated to almightyruler only. If anybody other want start block explorer with my ver running - it is OK too - i will send "bounty" after it will start working.

[Mad_Max]

New warning
Users with IP  68.195.138.61 and 76.95.191.10 seems you need redownload blockchain - your client can not sync properly.

And i thinks  now understand  where clients with the wrong chain (not official and not mine) are coming from - what was described in these posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265555.msg4529236#msg4529236
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265555.msg4539010#msg4539010
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265555.msg4539254#msg4539254

Seems it is not some of self isolated clients due connectivity problems as i thought before but users who upgrades from any official versions to my 1.3.2 many blocks after point of blockchain fork without database reset.
As forking point is passed relative long ago clients fail to rollback blockchain to point of fork correctly(seems it another bug in ORB code are not identified yet) and try to download blocks again and again in infinite loop. (dowload some blocks, fail to insert it to database, discard, download again and so on...)
And if somebody try to mine with such client it will fork own blockchain to network instead of joining an existing!

So warning to all
If you do upgrade from any official version to my version you need OR re-download blockchain from scratch (stop client, delete blk0001.dat blkindex.dat and "database" folder, start client or just point it to another separate empty data folder with -datadir= option) before any try to mine or send/receive coins.
Or as alternative - if you have any backups with datafolder of client where block count is any below <412000 you can roll back to this position as blockchains are 100% identical before this position.
It will save a lot of time and traffic to sync(as you will need download and verify only ~40-50k blocks instead of  ~450k) and also should fix the problems with sync.

[Pearf]

How can i tell that i am on the right chain? Is cryptsy on the right chain? If not mining this coin is rather pointless...

[Lhumeur]

official fork does not work. this fork never traded...

[Mad_Max]

How can i tell that i am on the right chain? Is cryptsy on the right chain? If not mining this coin is rather pointless...

There are no "right chain" now any more.
We have 2 main chain (actually 3 already)
- broken the official (a developer tried to fix it in 1.3.0 but once again screwed up as I predicted). But it in use by exchanges so called "official" and about half or even more users still use this ver
- original old official(broken too) chain - formed by all users who still not upgrade(not to my ver 1.3.2 not to latest official 1.3.0) and still use any of old versions (1.0, 1.1, 1.2)
- my fixed chain which up and running about 2 weeks. But it is not used by exchanges so you can not trade with new mined coins on them (but can p2p trade of course)

1st and 2nd still have no PoW working and now around 419.000-420.000 blocks.
2nd chain is definitely dying now. and 1st and 3rd is in competition for to become the main

My chain now at this position (456.906 blocks) because running both PoW + PoS:

Code:

new best=0000005a9dcdd35ebebe81a6942d8fecc5b8d22760bee1a7ac177e25b039659a  height=456906  trust=20489571660  date=27.01.2014 00:57:13

[Mad_Max]

official fork does not work. this fork never traded...

Yeah, you right.

But we can remedy last situation(never traded) a bit.  

If anyone wants to sell the coins mined in my version (including those who complained on CryptoCoinTalk about that I "cheated" them by touting to my version where they mined some coins, but can not sell on the exchanges - though I warned about this situation from the beginning) can sell NEW coins to me directly.
Paying a little (compared to the official ORB rate on the exchange) but these coins are now very easy to get! (as mining difficulty is low - right now while i am writing this post only ~500 or 0.0076)
My price now is 2 USD (or equivalent in LTC) per 100 new ORB coins
I can pay both in dollars and krypto.
Not sure what the best payment system for Fiat? May be PayPal? I also use OKPAY / QIWI / Webmoney if anyone want them.

If someone want offer more(higher price) - welcome, just post offer here

note:
I will accept only new coins (created after fork), please do not try to send me old coins from old chain - remember in cryptocoins world all transactions and coins history is public (stored in blockchain and not encrypted) so i can easily track back which coins you send me

And think carefully before making a decision
- if my fork win (will be adopted by the majority of users and exchanges in the end), these coins will cost many times more (probably even tens times more). the probability is not high, but it is possible and i will do my best in this goal
- on the other hand if it does not - they will cost nothing at all(zero).
This is a "high risk / high gain" scenario. So the decision is yours.

[almightyruler]

You can still send and receive ORB on the 'official' chain - I was able to withdraw from Cryptsy, and it was after the 41700 fork. You just can't mine on the official chain.

Mad_Max's offer to buy ORB from his 'unofficial' chain does sound interesting. As he said, it's high risk... if Cryptsy decides to adopt that chain, the coins will be instantly worth about 5X what he's offering, and the value will probably go up once people can start mining again. Conversely, if Cryptsy sticks with the original dev (I'm a bit hesitant to use the term 'dev' because I don't think TheRedMist is a programmer), your coins will be almost worthless.

Thumbs up to MM for putting his money where his mouth is, shows he has faith in the future of his fork...

[Lhumeur]

Mad_Max, what exactly is being done to ensure that this chain has been recognized by the official?
What are the chances of it and how we can help?

[Lhumeur]

1 hour was found to block 144, of which my 54.
does not seem that this fork uses at least some popularity. 

[Pearf]

Alright madmax i will use your chain. I'm wondering what redmists intentions are, calling you names and so on.

I will mine this coin from time to time. Maybe we can revive it and will be adopted by cryptsy.

[Mad_Max]

Mad_Max's offer to buy ORB from his 'unofficial' chain does sound interesting. As he said, it's high risk... if Cryptsy decides to adopt that chain, the coins will be instantly worth about 5X what he's offering, and the value will probably go up once people can start mining again. Conversely, if Cryptsy sticks with the original dev (I'm a bit hesitant to use the term 'dev' because I don't think TheRedMist is a programmer), your coins will be almost worthless.

High risk / high gain is only one of the options to choose, other option is low risk (almost zero) / low gain

- if somebody mine it (or buy it as i plan to do) and just wait than the whole situation over - he  choose "high risk / high gain" path - it is a high risk that at the end his coins are worth nothing, but if successful, will receive many times much more than put in it (money or hashing power)

- if somebody sell coins to me - he gets low (but fixed guaranteed) price right now without waiting and without risk. but loses the chance of winning big with the rejection of the risk

So I offer the choice. Before my offer only "high risk / high gain" variant was possible which not very popular among miners (but common for trader/investors)

[Mad_Max]

Mad_Max, what exactly is being done to ensure that this chain has been recognized by the official?
What are the chances of it and how we can help?

I'm not going to publish all of my steps for now...

About help. These steps can be taken by anyone wanting to help (if someone do not know how perform one of the points - just skip it):
- install and use my version of client if you have not already done (it is 1.3.2, do not use any of my previous version because they are not compatible not with the my current chain not with official one. I deleted the online access to all prev versions, but someone could still have a local copy...) my recommendation also keep a backup of the old wallet.dat (used with the official version) and start using new empty wallet with the new client -  this will help prevent mixing of "old" and "new" coins and easier return back to the official version if you want to roll back later

- keep client running online while your computer is on

- open network port for incoming connections (port = 15298) if you use any firewall software and add port forwarding rule to computer where client is running if use any home routers (split one Internet connection for few computer / other devices). this help improve connectivity of network and avoid problem with sync - number of new clients running 24/7 with open ports is still low for good reliable connectivity

- post ticket/e-mail to administration of exchanges with request on own behalf that you also want to use new client/chain on exchange instead of the old official. I have already sent such the request to both exchanges where ORB traded (cryptsy.com and coins-e.com) long ago. But i need to be supported by other users to show there they want to use at exchange my updated client instead of the broken official too, and it is not just only my wish.
So send a message (via tickets or email) with such a request on own behalf. You can refer to my ticket #62004 on cryptsy (where I gave a detailed account of the situation to administration) or to this thread in you message to shorten your request

- try to mine some coins as option (not really needed). no need to throw in large hashing power - pointing just one GPU to ORB is enough. And difficulty is still low so you can mine solo without a pool even with one average GPU

I no need any other help for now (except that only make more hours in the day but I doubt that someone can help with this   )

[Lovok]

ORB is dead. Official version not working for ages, but official dev is relaxed. Exchanges do nothing (at least suspending exchanges until ORB gets really fixed), they don't bother that they are trading flawed coin. Unofficial version fork, say it ORB2, now in state of premining (not accepted on exchanges, official version still exist, but few people mine ORB2 in hope it will be accepted = premining), also ORB2 allows spend all coins from ORB, while ORB still exist! I don't think that ORB2 will become official as exchanges are simply ignoring situation and they will never accept coin that forked from 'official' weeks ago (hey, I've forked Bitcoin with my code modifications, creating BTC2, accept it ;-)).

[Mad_Max]

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

I failed at negotiate with the exchanges about new ORB and accepting my version as new official. Sorry to all.
Moreover, I learned some interesting information - that they have not even updated to the version with the official patch (1.3.0) although this was given to them about 2 weeks of time for upgrade.
So if they even ignore / force to wait for weeks before response to official coin developer (and simultaneously holder of more than half of all outstanding coins), then of course they just do not pay any serious attention to the side developers and few ordinary users asking about upgrade/version change.
Seems just shitty exchanges for shitty  coins 

So instead I decided to conclude an agreement with TheRedMist (official developer of Orbitcoin). "Better a bad peace than a good war" after all
Full story can be found there: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/3866-agreement-between-madmax-and-theredmist-made-public/
(TheRedMist even post all/complete history of our last conversations in PMs)

And short/most important part is here:

Your (TheRedMist) side
1. You transfer into my wallet 15000 ORB coins upfront.  tomorrow or 2 days for example before my work on fixing official ver

2. You promise to make every effort to ensure all needed  work to correct the official version of ORB, in particular to restore the PoW mining (actually this is the main and almost the only difference between my version of the official) as quickly as possible. By using patch similar to my, but with a delay start to allow time for exchanges move to it in advance.

3. If it will took too long (more >15000 coins will be mined on my fork, before restoration of PoW mining on official ver) you promise do exchanges of this new mined coins from my fork/blockchain to "old" coins from official chain at 1:1 ratio by yourself from own premine/over fund until PoW in official version/chain start working

My (Mad_Max) side
1. I do programming/testing on official github needed to help restore PoW mining in official version/chain

2. I will use coins received from you to exchange new mined coins from miner in my fork to coins in official fork until we pass 15к coins mined total from fork point (block #412300)

3. After i finish my part of exchanges I can sent this coins(in my fork/ver) to you (it is optional - just if you want check fact what i really collect all this new coins, if you do not like this - we can just skip this step, as after my ver stop work this coins will have no any value )

4. I will inform all user of my ver (on bitcointalk and in Pms if somebody ask me) about this agreement after you send coins to me and call users to return to official version after PoW mining resumes (note: but i can not force users to do such thing, so i can not guarantee what ALL users follow)

5. After official ver resume full normal work i will remove my version of Orbitcoin from own GitHub and other on-line storages (note - but some users can still keep local copy's)

So although formally my version lose and will not become official and will be closed relative soon, but all who chose it for mining (and it was a main difference from official) actually won! They will get exchange coins mined in my version to the coins from official chain at 1:1 ratio as if my version has become new official at the end. And you can continue mining on it until PoW really start working in official version/blockchain.

In next post i will give some additions and refinements. Read it before rushing to mining 

[Mad_Max]

One big request to all miners who is just now starting mining on my fork - please do not use for mining purses (wallet.dat) that you used earlier in the official version.

Start/create new  instead - it's will be much faster and easier later to exchange this new coins for coins from official chain - in this case, you can simply send new wallet.dat to me or to TheRedMist entirely (without sending transactions and our manual scan of blockchain and history of coins which you send) + as a bonus, you save on commissions (they relative big in Orbitcoin if you send coins collected from many small transactions , such as the type formed by Mining - many transactions 0.25 coins each)

2nd important note
I will exchange coins from my fork to coins from official chain only up to point where 15000 coins mined. Counting from point of fork at block #412300.
And this point is close already: we now at this position:

Code:

new best=0000002158551f7f5fbc98f544041200ff0c0b7c40d9828d321043250256b11c  height=468548  trust=20776990685  date=31.01.2014 01:54:33

So already 468548 - 412300 = 56248 blocks mined at my fork
It includes around 2-3 thousands PoS blocks with zero reward and all other is PoW blocks 0.25 coins each
So already near 54000*0.25 = 13500 coins mined, 1500 coins to go - its near 2 days / 50 hours only left
Let set block #475000 as separator for example (= ~ start of the day/night of 2nd Feb at GMT/UTC clock)

I will exchange only blocks mined before this point.
After this point is a TheRedMist area of ​​responsibility (he promised to continue to exchange coins mined in my version until the mining start working in the official version) I can not guarantee that all goes well, I am responsible only for a segment from block #412300 to #475000 (or from 10 Jan to 1/2 Feb)

So i highly recommend to do one thing - if you mining now(from beginning of my fork or just starting now) and plan continue after #475000, please start new wallet after #475000. If somebody do not know how - it is simple:
- close running client (it will stop solomining too of course)
- remove wallet.dat from client data folder to another safe place
- start client again, it will create new empty wallet auto and continue ti mine

Later send first wallet to me for exchange. While 2nd (started after #475000) keep for exchange via TheRedMist at own risk.
I recommend to wait  block 475000 before sending wallets to me for exchange - to exchange all the coins from my part in one batch, is only 2 days with little remains to wait
I also recommend use cryptsy trade key to receive coins from me directly to your exchange account - with all this big mess with different versions of the clients not compatible to each over and blockchain forks  (currently 3 already, after the official patch will be 4) I think this is the safest way to transfer/store ORB for now...

[Lhumeur]

It's greate news! Thx Mad_max!

[almightyruler]

It's 1:30am here so I'm trying to get my head around this... the agreement includes 15000 ORB to provide a 1:1 transfer of coins mined on the M_M fork?

I have a few hundred ORB so I wouldn't mind getting in on that.

What do you mean by "send wallet" - do you mean send the coins to you (via your fork), or literally send the wallet.dat file to you?

[Mad_Max]

Yes. main part is 15 000 coins from old/official chain which i already got from TheRedMist to offer all miners from my fork to exchange miner coins from sidechain to coins from original/official chain 1:1.
This covers any coins in my version mined from its launch (at January 10, I post my version earlier but it started to work only after the block 412300 what happened at January 10) and to the point of 15,000 coins total what will be reached around the end of February 1 / early February 2.

Of course your few hundred of already mined ORBs also included as any other miners coins.

About "send wallet" yes it about send the wallet.dat file itself from new ver to me/T R M.
In 2 cases it is safe:
- if it was used only with any of my versions (coins contained in them are no any other use except getting refund as my fork will be closed soon)
- if it used with old official version, but does not contain any significant amounts of "old" coins from official chain (zero or just too little to worry about its safety). just need start new wallet later after return to official ver (this make all private keys stored in wallet.dat you send to me useless) and withdraw coins from exchanges to this new wallet after upgrade to new official ver (when PoW mining will start working in official chain)

It is fast and simplest way to check/proof what you actually mining at my fork and how much was mined. - i(or redmist) will just lunch client with such wallet.dat and all needed info easily accessible both via standard QT GUI and command line (dump list of all transactions)


"Send the coins to you (via your fork)" it is possible variant too, but it is more long and labor intensive way - as we will need check raw transactions about all its inputs first to be sure about you sending only coins mined in my ver (as my ver based on SAME blockchain before block #412300 it is possible to send any coins collected in old official ver before fork too and get it doubled - get refund from me/RedMist and keep original coins after my fork will be closed in same time)

And for it we need working block explorer first and no any running/online now. So we will need set up own block explorer first to do such checks and prevent cheating with refunds...

I can do such things (but do not want spend lot extra time on it) but not sure about RedMist - is he will able do such checks via blockchain at all? (for coins >15k / after 2 Feb)

Hope this explains why i want whole wallet.dat and not just sent coins for my address.
BTW - i will sent coins from wallet.dat you sent to me to own adress too - to ensure this wallet.dat will not be used for refund later again.

[almightyruler]

We're past 475k now, so how do we securely send you wallet.dat and reedem our ORB?

[lexa]

Pool opened on 1.3.2 wallet version
orb-mm.blocksolved.com
Features

• Stratum
• Variable difficulty
• Proportional payout system
• 2% fee

68 blocks mined so far without any problems

[Mad_Max]

Yes, we pass block #475000 already so time to start exchanges of coin mined in my ver to official chain.
Remember - i exchange only coins mined before block #47500 (or 2 Feb 2014). Other coins mined later is TheRedMist (official ORB dev) responsibility - about terms and conditions have to ask him (on cryptocointalk.com).

About sending wallets.dat
You can upload it to any online storage (better encrypt by build-in client function  before upload  if wallet not already encrypted) and provide link + pass via Pms
or you can sent to my e-mail: ammar_net{some dogs here}mail.ru
Or even more secure: link(or file itself) by one channel and encryptions password by another

[breakbeater]

If i send you my wallet.dat, do i need to install ver.1.3.0 of ORB and provide you a new adresss where you will send the converted ORBs??

[Mad_Max]

You can provide Cryptsy Trade Key (can be found at "Dashboard" tab after logging into account) instead.
I will transfer coins directly to your Cryptsy account via this key. (it is receive only address so it is safe to pass it to other users, but probable better do it in  PMs/e-mails)
It is a best option if you want continue to use my 1.3.2 for now (for mining until new official ver with fixed PoW) as it is not compatible with 1.3.0  and attempts to run both in parallel will lead to lost of connectivity with network (your IP will be banned by any official ver for using 1.3.2 and banned my 1.3.2 clients for using official ver)

[breakbeater]

I just received my ORBs from Mad_Max on my Cryptsy account, everything went smooth.
Thanks

[Lhumeur]

I received my ORBs from Mad_Max on my Cryptsy account too. It's works! Thanks 

[Miner-TE]

I also have received ORB from Mad_Max via Cryptsy.  Exchange went smooth and quick.

Thanks Mad_Max!

[andrewha2010]

I also received my ORBs from Mad_Max on my Cryptsy account, everything went smooth as silk .
Thanks

[vortexfoto]

anything new with this coin, can i mine? working pools? exchange, tnx

[gmerk]

I also received all of my orbitcoins (and a bit more) by mad_max exactly as described in previous posts.
Smooth as red ale down a penguin's throat... 
Thanks...

BTW, should we still mine on ver.132 ?
Is there a new ver. being prepared by Redmist ?

[almightyruler]

BTW, should we still mine on ver.132 ?
Is there a new ver. being prepared by Redmist ?

You can mine, but you'll have to reassure yourself that TheRedMist is working on it AND can properly credit you for blocks mined past 475k.

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/3866-agreement-between-madmax-and-theredmist-made-public/page-4

Note that TheRedMist was last active on cryptocointalk on 2nd Feb.

[Galod]

Also received my ORBs from Mad_Max to Crypsy account.

Thanks!

[Mutton213]

I am running wallet 1.3.2, got a few orbit coins now sitting in the wallet and sent some across to Cryptsy. Nothing has arrived as of yet. First transfer was sent on the 10th Feb and now has 4934 confirmations.  Does it normally take this long to send these across to Cryptsy?

[Mad_Max]

BTW, should we still mine on ver.132 ?
Is there a new ver. being prepared by Redmist ?

Hi say hi hired one unnamed high level programmer who will make new orb ver in best way with complete code update (not just single bug with mining like my ver).
But i also prepared fixed version to him as i promise in our "peace" agreement and post it to official github long ago (about ~10 days):
https://github.com/Orbitcoin/Orbitcoin/pull/3
He only need to replace # of block where new fork should start, apply code changes and pass info to coins exchanges...

But he just disappeared again from Internet right after it (as it was before in January right after posting not working buggy official "fix" 1.3.0)
No any actions from him or "hired programmer" in last 10 days.

So seems he accept agreement just to "buy some time"...
But time for what?

[almightyruler]

It's a pity he didn't send you more than 15k ORB Mad_Max, I'm sure you'd be looking after us.

[Mutton213]

can anyone tell me if its pointless mining orbit coins at the moment with wallet v1.3.2?? nothing comes across to Cryptsy at the moment.

[almightyruler]

can anyone tell me if its pointless mining orbit coins at the moment with wallet v1.3.2?? nothing comes across to Cryptsy at the moment.

That's MM's fork, right? You're mining on the unofficial chain.

Cryptsy is probably running the most recent official version (which itself is a fork from the original official chain...)

And I am guessing that coins-e is running the old old official version, because funds sent from cryptsy to coins-e never appear.

So there's currently 3 chains, and will be a 4th if there is ever another official release. (If TheRedMist reappears with his mystery dev)

tl;dr right now there seems to be no way to get newly mined coins to an exchange, and Mad_Max was only able to exchange up to block 475k.

[Mutton213]

Thanks almightyruler, I think ill stop with the solo mine then for now and see what happens. Will be painful after days of mining to see the coins disappear.

[gmerk]

Let's just hope ORB won't follow WDC to the dark depths of crypto-purgatory 
Their price is quite similar today...

On the other hand, it's been a long time since the first problems and ORB is still alive.
I think any kind of good news (e.g. return of RedMist+Developer or even a takeover) will drive its value up...

[Mutton213]

Its a funny one. Do I sell all my coins on cryptsy now expecting the coin to just die and be worthless, or hold onto the coins and hope the devs sort it all out.  Ahhh the joy of choice.... Time will tell.

[almightyruler]

Its a funny one. Do I sell all my coins on cryptsy now expecting the coin to just die and be worthless, or hold onto the coins and hope the devs sort it all out.  Ahhh the joy of choice.... Time will tell.

Hedge your bets? Sell X%, keep Y%

Right now I'm not very confident of the official version being updated. There's a lot of talk from the official dev (or WAS until he stopped logging in at cryptotalk), but no action. The coin broke a month or two ago and it's still not officially fixed.

[Mad_Max]

Thanks almightyruler, I think ill stop with the solo mine then for now and see what happens. Will be painful after days of mining to see the coins disappear.

Yes, it is a best action for now.
But do NOT delete wallet for now - may be RedMist in the end will  re-appears to exchange this coins.
It was official promise on open forum. So if he want continue to use coins (and his big premine, which still > 50% of all coins minted) he need to exchange it to avoid "Scammer" tag

Keep client running too (without mining) if possible to keep network alive and operation.

Also you can "vote" about add ORB to new exchange: http://www.allcrypt.com/beta/voting.php (up to 10 votes per day from 1 ip is free)
May be new exchange choose to add my ver as most active now and fully operational?  

[Mad_Max]

BTW seems i found exact point of additional fork between 2 official version (produced by incorrect patch in ver. 1.3.0)

height=417559  trust=25722219683  date=01/22/14 08:52:03

Only 559 blocks and ~ 11 hours after "patch" activation.

At very first block with small negative time spacing in blocks timestams:

new best=33e9816e7f1776a7ebf128b80bfee9b92a7876122815aa5ecc6828e48c10c19b  height=417557  trust=25720122529  date=01/22/14 08:47:45
new best=eb6ddcee8a85a588677a8a03661852e6f730d4f4fea67d1a2bdb3646337d4480  height=417558  trust=25721171106  date=01/22/14 08:52:13
new best=8d90efc99b87a46484eac11791770eb3569e5ef1aad49976de231b60c1e028ef  height=417559  trust=25722219683  date=01/22/14 08:52:03
new best=5967f76542b1da15784840d4c7f518c501102bde654eeece77f74a2b47ede930  height=417560  trust=25723285883  date=01/22/14 08:53:38
new best=a8d925d3585b9988d008b62e4e2c47c0712c04ca76d6c6b18dbee4fbaef527e7  height=417561  trust=25724334460  date=01/22/14 08:54:58

All as i predicted almost 2 week BEFORE patch activation (about 2 days after ver. 1.3.0 code publication, but long before activation of changes).  

[Mad_Max]

That's MM's fork, right? You're mining on the unofficial chain.

Cryptsy is probably running the most recent official version (which itself is a fork from the original official chain...)

And I am guessing that coins-e is running the old old official version, because funds sent from cryptsy to coins-e never appear.

So there's currently 3 chains, and will be a 4th if there is ever another official release. (If TheRedMist reappears with his mystery dev)

tl;dr right now there seems to be no way to get newly mined coins to an exchange, and Mad_Max was only able to exchange up to block 475k.

I temporally stop running my ver and check few things with official ver:

1.
Yes, Cryptsy running last official ver with wrong patch - 1.3.0. I check it today.
This fork at this position now:

Code:

new best=ff1d5204f32fd7d0c5d37da4a181ec22ca9d329cd00520372f3cff85e187821c  height=429334  trust=38195370579  date=02/13/14 01:40:04

Seems main part of user also use this ver, only PoS mining but relative active.

2.
You not able deposit to COINS-E because they move ORB to "Coins under maintenance" sections.
Seems they finally hear all my warning(i post few tickets - first was in 1st half Jan) about all shits happens around ORB and official dev and suspend all withdrawals and deposits until one of current 3 forks wins or will be 100% clear which fork will be used as basis for 4th official fork. So no any versions at use - just waiting and watching situation...

3. Old (original) version (1.0, 1.1, 1.2) seem dying now. Smaller number of users online and much shorter chain:

Code:

new best=b8efd5bfabfed23981064204f7685984373aa095e34196771a02361cfd5f3b94  height=418604  trust=26830374805  date=02/12/14 15:04:46

Only PoS mining, low activity.

But this version in use by last working ORB block explorer and some other online services like coinchoose.com (one of the mining profitability calculators)

[almightyruler]

You not able deposit to COINS-E because they move ORB to "Coins under maintenance" sections.
Seems they finally hear all my warning(i post few tickets - first was in 1st half Jan) about all shits happens around ORB and official dev and suspend all withdrawals and deposits until one of current 3 forks wins or will be 100% clear which fork will be used as basis for 4th official fork. So no any versions at use - just waiting and watching situation...

It may be under maintenance now, but it wasn't when I attempted the deposit 20 days ago.

Coincidentally, my ticket querying this has been open for 20 days without response....

[hasar]

Orbit is dead?

[Lordas]

As I understand this coin is dead?

[Mad_Max]

It may be under maintenance now, but it wasn't when I attempted the deposit 20 days ago.

Coincidentally, my ticket querying this has been open for 20 days without response....

Yeah, 20 days ago they probable use old 1.2/1.0 ver.
COINS-E admins/programmers so slooow, so probable missed right time to update (before block 417000).
When later noticed what something wrong - it was already known/proven and posted on both forum about new 1.3.0 not fix things as planned, so they decides NOT upgrades to 1.3.0 and move coin to "maintenance" / suspend deposits/withdrawal instead wanting for final official fix.

[Mad_Max]

Orbit is dead?

As I understand this coin is dead?

Officially NOT. And probable in practice not yet too.

- wallets still working and transactions pass, and still enough nodes online to support work of network
it is splited to parallel chain where one official with only PoS (transactions is OK, but no mining of new coins) and 2nd my (unofficial) with working mining but not accepted by echanges - both working
only 3rd (oldest/original) chain is dying now

- it is trading on 2 different exchanges and exchange rate relative stable (my measures of unpopular / little used "third level" alt coins)

[Langly]

Attempting to sync wallet and not syncing, I just wanted to use it to test some network settings for solo mining, as it's diff is low. No wallet sync though.

[almightyruler]

Attempting to sync wallet and not syncing, I just wanted to use it to test some network settings for solo mining, as it's diff is low. No wallet sync though.

Firstly, are you using v1.3.2.0-orb, the fork by Mad_Max? You won't be able to mine on any other version. Here's two IPs you can try connecting to:

addnode=173.88.48.75
addnode=198.27.97.178  <-- this appears to be running an older version.

(Haven't started the client for a while - only connected to those two IPs atm)

Some other quiet and/or half-dead coins that you can play with solo mining on. I've only listed those which are synced and have connections right now:

Valuecoin - diff 0.0013
Lebowskis - diff 0.0081
Clockcoin - diff 0.0154
Nintencoin - diff 0.0174

HTH.

[Mad_Max]

If somebody need here a fresh list of ORB nodes running my fork (1.3.2)

Code:

addnode=94.181.77.215
addnode=85.17.81.169
addnode=85.9.211.234
addnode=95.24.7.97
addnode=50.2.109.135
addnode=209.173.81.165
addnode=81.99.211.24
addnode=72.221.71.145
addnode=173.88.48.75
addnode=220.255.220.236
addnode=203.214.145.50
addnode=46.246.89.30
addnode=94.153.88.241
addnode=162.243.9.179
addnode=87.236.196.77
addnode=217.149.245.226
addnode=76.95.191.10
addnode=203.45.89.214
addnode=96.52.20.52
addnode=108.185.77.100
addnode=185.15.248.81
addnode=106.68.188.152
addnode=23.226.229.149
addnode=84.46.24.244
addnode=122.150.39.166
addnode=89.28.89.80
addnode=206.188.78.215
addnode=137.116.129.120
addnode=24.47.5.209
addnode=69.165.133.70
addnode=82.24.30.12
addnode=79.130.27.252
addnode=46.175.28.101
addnode=92.112.193.46
addnode=124.169.206.182
addnode=178.27.212.144
addnode=79.227.29.59
addnode=37.197.139.221
addnode=85.73.238.16
addnode=176.14.86.146

Current best chain

Code:

00000009df97a2fba4be9201b7164a7c4e816fba1a89de00b0756d69b78b5f6d  height=520311  trust=22105023207  date=02/17/14 22:54:45

[gmerk]

Is this thread alive?
Is the coin alive?
Prices are tanking badly.
Maybe the stuck chain was better...

[almightyruler]

Is this thread alive?
Is the coin alive?
Prices are tanking badly.
Maybe the stuck chain was better...

Yes, a new version has just been released, but the upgrade has not been smooth sailing for many people. I had to restart about 3 times to sync, and had some weird issues with the client complaining that I was trying to use already spent coins in a transaction.

https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/6717-orbitcoin-v1400/

[BryceMiner]

I just transfered 193 ORB's to Cryptsy and received the error message "transaction couldnt be completed"
WTF!!! are all my coins gone??

This is what my QT says:

Status: 0/offline, has not been successfully broadcast yet
Date: 3/4/2014 09:20
To: Cryptsy oNt8XG1vXdXumzEGfs7ReAM5XcRz3PwKPp
Debit: -193.68 ORB
Transaction fee: -0.089 ORB
Net amount: -193.769 ORB
Transaction ID: 67d8d5901de478529566d0001340df1298ad4c1c2a3f2beac4c8ba7e1535f0ad

[Mad_Max]

2 BryceMiner

Judging by the quote you provide transaction was NOT been completed.
At this point it is reflected only in the local wallet.
Just turn off the client and replace wallet.dat by copy from the archive/bacup. And the coin must be in place after it.

[BryceMiner]

2 BryceMiner

Judging by the quote you provide transaction was NOT been completed.
At this point it is reflected only in the local wallet.
Just turn off the client and replace wallet.dat by copy from the archive/bacup. And the coin must be in place after it.

What archive/backup are you referring to?

[ipnetpro]

the backup of your wallet.dat that you hopefully made. no matter how old that is, as long it is the same (containing a private key needed to resync)

btw, new ver 1.4 pool orb.ipnet.pro

[almightyruler]

I just transfered 193 ORB's to Cryptsy and received the error message "transaction couldnt be completed"
WTF!!! are all my coins gone??

Have you upgraded to 1.4.0? Any other version will be on a different fork to Cryptsy's.

Starting your client with the -rescan commandline option should recover the unspent coins. You shouldn't need to restore wallet.dat from backup.

[BryceMiner]

I just transfered 193 ORB's to Cryptsy and received the error message "transaction couldnt be completed"
WTF!!! are all my coins gone??

Have you upgraded to 1.4.0? Any other version will be on a different fork to Cryptsy's.

Starting your client with the -rescan commandline option should recover the unspent coins. You shouldn't need to restore wallet.dat from backup.

He thanks I will try that. I am on 1.4.0

[almightyruler]

Now that I think about it, "repairwallet" via the debug console should do the same thing, and it will be quicker.

I had to fiddle with this a few days ago when the client was doing some bizarre things like complaining I was trying to use already spent coins for a new transaction.

[BryceMiner]

I just transfered 193 ORB's to Cryptsy and received the error message "transaction couldnt be completed"
WTF!!! are all my coins gone??

Have you upgraded to 1.4.0? Any other version will be on a different fork to Cryptsy's.

Starting your client with the -rescan commandline option should recover the unspent coins. You shouldn't need to restore wallet.dat from backup.

Worked like a charm.. thanks again

[DaFockBro]

This looks really innovative compared to all the clone coins coming out lately.  Do you have an address I can send an investment to?

[BryceMiner]

Now that I think about it, "repairwallet" via the debug console should do the same thing, and it will be quicker.

I had to fiddle with this a few days ago when the client was doing some bizarre things like complaining I was trying to use already spent coins for a new transaction.

Yes that is exactly what it was doing. However only if I tried to send a large number of coins lets say over 100.
When I send 100 and under at a time it freezes for a few seconds, then the transaction is completed.

[gmerk]

I think ORB was "lucky" to be frozen/paused during this period.
Many new coins came, many old coins died or ridiculed (wdc...)
ORB remained unaffected more or less.
I guess Redmist is either very lucky or very smart (or both).

Now orb is back to normal (is it?), and the prices tend to drop.
Furthermore, when the mining bonanza resumes, many new coins will be dumped.
I'm afraid this (mining bonanza) cancels the whole "rare coin" thing, and will put the nail on our coffin.
Hope I'm wrong...

[ghostlander]

Depends on what you mean by rare. Although declared to have a 31 million coin supply, ORB isn't going to exceed 2 million in fact.

There are 457K blocks mined to this moment which have generated 87K ORB only. The 1st halving is at 2.1M blocks, so add maybe 300K ORB to this point. All upcoming blocks for the coin life are not going to generate more than 200K ORB. So, 1.6M ORB is most likely the total coin supply.

[m0gliE]

Orbitcoin Bootstrap.dat



   bootstrap.dat

bootstrap.dat allows a new Orbitcoin client (not synced) to rapidly import the initial blocks from a
local file instead of slowly downloading blocks from random peers. This significantly reduces the
time it takes to get a client synced with the current blockchain.

Simply having bootstrap.dat in Orbitcoin's expected data directory will make your initial block sync
much faster. The import process can be even faster if you use the -dbcache=1000 command line
parameter which uses an additional 1GB of RAM for the database index cache.

   Extracting the bootstrap.dat.xz

Regardless of your operating system, use the following steps to make use of the bootstrap.dat file:

1.   Download bootstrap.dat.xz from mirrors or torrent.
2.   Decompress the bootstrap.dat.
3.   Put it into the Orbitcoin datadir. "%appdata%/orbitcoin" / "~/.orbitcoin"
         (This is the same folder that contains wallet.dat and the blocks folder.)
4.   Delete bootstrap.dat.old if you want to recover some storage space.

    Orbitcoin Data Folder

    Linux

Code:

xz -d bootstrap.dat.xz 

Orbitcoin's data directory is located in ~/.orbitcoin/ by default. You can run ls -a to see
directories that start with a period. You can also search for the directory with the following
command:

Code:

find / -name wallet.dat -print 2>/dev/null 

   Mac
You can obtain xz from MacPorts or http://macpkg.sourceforge.net/.
orbitcoin's data directory should be located in ~/Library/Application Support/orbitcoin/.

   Windows
7Zip is a free utility that can decompress .xz files, so does the latest version of WinRAR.

Click on Start then Run (or press WinKey+R) and type:

Code:

explorer %APPDATA%\orbitcoin 

orbitcoin's data directory will open. "AppData" and "Application Data" are hidden by default in
Windows.

   Copy bootstrap.dat to data directory

Copy the bootstrap.dat to your data directory. Load the orbitcoin client and wait for it to load the
blocks. After loading is complete, the bootstrap.dat will be renamed to bootstrap.dat.old at which
point you can choose to delete it.

Orbitcoin - 4/9/2014 - 123,444 KB

GoogleD - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz3NalaCIrQrdTRfRVJTNzRYajA
Torrent - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz3NalaCIrQrUGdSUUdzWXRhSEU

E-nautia Mirror - http://e-nautia.com/jon.marshall/disk/bootstrap/orbitcoin/bootstrap.dat.xz
E-nautia Direct - https://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=5450934

Orbitcoin Donation Address: oWc2ArEk2xqUGrY8Y51KtLMhZHtzfbNkdT

[ghostlander]

The new Orbitcoin discussion thread.