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Question: What is your opinion of the Maximum role of Government in society?
Absolute: Government should control all services and prices. - 4 (4.7%)
Moderate: the Government should control some services, and not others (explain) - 23 (26.7%)
Minimal: The Government should limit itself to courts and military. - 32 (37.2%)
None: All services and goods should be provided privately (or collectively). - 27 (31.4%)
Total Voters: 85

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July 08, 2011, 08:51:28 PM
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Cleverly dodged the question Smiley  There is no question of all borders being open.  The UK is taking over 200,000 refugees and immigrants per year and thats as much as we can handle here.  

I return to my question - could Norway take 10 million immigrants now?



You're dodging the answer, lol.

My position is quiet logical, if all borders were open you wouldn't have a small country taking 10m immigrants. Because a such a move would make no sense, they'd distribute across wichever coutnry pays best, once Norway is saturated it wouldnt make any sense to move there. (so you'd never reach 10m to norway)

So, your question is impractical. It simply wouldnt happen if borders were open. But for sake of the argument if you really believe 10m ppl would desire to move to Norway i think they should, worst case scenario is that i'd purchase shares in a security services agency and profit from it, the immigrants however would lose on it.

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July 08, 2011, 09:06:24 PM
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Cleverly dodged the question Smiley  There is no question of all borders being open.  The UK is taking over 200,000 refugees and immigrants per year and thats as much as we can handle here.  

I return to my question - could Norway take 10 million immigrants now?



You're dodging the answer, lol.

My position is quiet logical, if all borders were open you wouldn't have a small country taking 10m immigrants. Because a such a move would make no sense, they'd distribute across wichever coutnry pays best, once Norway is saturated it wouldnt make any sense to move there. (so you'd never reach 10m to norway)

So, your question is impractical. It simply wouldnt happen if borders were open. But for sake of the argument if you really believe 10m ppl would desire to move to Norway i think they should, worst case scenario is that i'd purchase shares in a security services agency and profit from it, the immigrants however would lose on it.

They are starving.  They won't lose.  Norway has oil so it can afford to feed them.  And as Norway has signed the European Charter of Human Rights, it has to provide housing for all it allows in.

Its nice you have such a generous policy.  I can see why open borders is good for the poor people of the world.  I can't see how it benefits Norway to take in those millions. 

Question for you.  Of course you will give these people the vote. If the new immigrants vote to have Sharia in Norway, will you respect their democratic rights and obey Sharia law yourself? 

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July 08, 2011, 09:15:52 PM
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Question for you.  Of course you will give these people the vote. If the new immigrants vote to have Sharia in Norway, will you respect their democratic rights and obey Sharia law yourself? 

Sigh. Cephalic ossification.

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July 08, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
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Question for you.  Of course you will give these people the vote. If the new immigrants vote to have Sharia in Norway, will you respect their democratic rights and obey Sharia law yourself?  

Sigh. Cephalic ossification.

Sigh.  Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

You still haven't provided a benefit to your open borders idea?  You have to be able to think of one?

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July 08, 2011, 09:24:06 PM
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Question for you.  Of course you will give these people the vote. If the new immigrants vote to have Sharia in Norway, will you respect their democratic rights and obey Sharia law yourself?  

Sigh. Cephalic ossification.

Sigh.  Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

You still haven't provided a benefit to your open borders idea?  You have to be able to think of one?

And apparently, you can't read either:
The benefit is that you don't have a state extorting the entire society to enforce an immigration policy that only a portion of the society supports.

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July 08, 2011, 09:29:34 PM
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Question for you.  Of course you will give these people the vote. If the new immigrants vote to have Sharia in Norway, will you respect their democratic rights and obey Sharia law yourself?  

Sigh. Cephalic ossification.

Sigh.  Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

You still haven't provided a benefit to your open borders idea?  You have to be able to think of one?

And apparently, you can't read either:
The benefit is that you don't have a state extorting the entire society to enforce an immigration policy that only a portion of the society supports.

What if the State is acting on behalf of the majority of the people?  If a simple majority is not enough, is there a percentage of the population above which you'd respect their wishes?

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July 08, 2011, 09:33:30 PM
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What if the State is acting on behalf of the majority of the people?  If a simple majority is not enough, is there a percentage of the population above which you'd respect their wishes?

Yes. Anything over 99.99999999999999999999999% of the population is sufficient.

In case you still haven't got it, You are talking to an Anarchist.

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July 08, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
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What if the State is acting on behalf of the majority of the people?  If a simple majority is not enough, is there a percentage of the population above which you'd respect their wishes?

Yes. Anything over 99.99999999999999999999999% of the population is sufficient.

In case you still haven't got it, You are talking to an Anarchist.

I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley  We don't agree but its been a pleasure looking at your ideas.  Since we risk boring one another, I'll stop now.

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July 08, 2011, 09:41:51 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley

It's kind of sad that keeping your hands to yourself is seen as "outlandish".
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July 08, 2011, 09:48:18 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley  We don't agree but its been a pleasure looking at your ideas.  Since we risk boring one another, I'll stop now.

You're by no means boring me. I love gnawing on stubborn bones. But, as I said before, you're more than welcome to join or start a restricted entry community. You just can't force people to stay there who don't want to stay.

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July 08, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley

It's kind of sad that keeping your hands to yourself is seen as "outlandish".

It's kinda sad pitiful that anything you disagree with is seen as violence, rape, murder, and extortion.

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July 08, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley  We don't agree but its been a pleasure looking at your ideas.  Since we risk boring one another, I'll stop now.

You're by no means boring me. I love gnawing on stubborn bones. But, as I said before, you're more than welcome to join or start a restricted entry community. You just can't force people to stay there who don't want to stay.

But that's exactly what we have now.  We have this little community called the US, UK, whereverthefuckyoulive.com, and no one is forced to stay.  You're free to go at any time.  All we ask is that you obey our rules if you choose to stay, but if you don't like the rules you're more than welcome to leave, we'll even assist you in the relocation process.

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July 08, 2011, 10:22:20 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley  We don't agree but its been a pleasure looking at your ideas.  Since we risk boring one another, I'll stop now.

You're by no means boring me. I love gnawing on stubborn bones. But, as I said before, you're more than welcome to join or start a restricted entry community. You just can't force people to stay there who don't want to stay.

 We have this little community called the US, UK, whereverthefuckyoulive.com, and no one is forced to stay.
No, there is one big community ran by the central banks. They have all the wealth hostage. If you leave the ring, you end up in horrible places. If you create something great there, it will be looted by the first-world.
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July 08, 2011, 10:24:10 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley  We don't agree but its been a pleasure looking at your ideas.  Since we risk boring one another, I'll stop now.

You're by no means boring me. I love gnawing on stubborn bones. But, as I said before, you're more than welcome to join or start a restricted entry community. You just can't force people to stay there who don't want to stay.

 We have this little community called the US, UK, whereverthefuckyoulive.com, and no one is forced to stay.
No, there is one big community ran by the central banks. They have all the wealth hostage. If you leave the ring, you end up in horrible places. If you create something great there, it will be looted by the first-world.

Aren't you late for middle school band practice?

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July 08, 2011, 10:25:01 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley

It's kind of sad that keeping your hands to yourself is seen as "outlandish".

It's kinda sad pitiful that anything you disagree with is seen as violence, rape, murder, and extortion.

What we disagree with is the violence and extortion inherent in the system. So... Yeah.
But that's exactly what we have now.  We have this little community called the US, UK, whereverthefuckyoulive.com, and no one is forced to stay.  You're free to go at any time.  All we ask is that you our rules if you choose to stay, but if you don't like the rules you're more than welcome to leave, we'll even assist you in the relocation process.

And if a 100% popular vote was required to pass any law, I'd be perfectly happy with it.

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July 08, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
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I admire you for trying so hard to defend such an outlandish position Smiley  We don't agree but its been a pleasure looking at your ideas.  Since we risk boring one another, I'll stop now.

You're by no means boring me. I love gnawing on stubborn bones. But, as I said before, you're more than welcome to join or start a restricted entry community. You just can't force people to stay there who don't want to stay.

 We have this little community called the US, UK, whereverthefuckyoulive.com, and no one is forced to stay.
No, there is one big community ran by the central banks. They have all the wealth hostage. If you leave the ring, you end up in horrible places. If you create something great there, it will be looted by the first-world.

Aren't you late for middle school band practice?
Non sequitur.
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July 08, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
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Aren't you late for middle school band practice?

Troll elsewhere.

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July 08, 2011, 10:29:48 PM
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And if a 100% popular vote was required to pass any law, I'd be perfectly happy with it.
They did try that in Poland. Didn't work so well.
Actually it was only the 'senate' or what you call it that had to get 100% agreement on votes. Still didn't work.
You have a fetish for things that doesn't work, don't you?  Grin

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July 08, 2011, 10:35:39 PM
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And if a 100% popular vote was required to pass any law, I'd be perfectly happy with it.
They did try that in Poland. Didn't work so well.
Actually it was only the 'senate' or what you call it that had to get 100% agreement on votes. Still didn't work.
You have a fetish for things that doesn't work, don't you?  Grin

I know a 100% popular vote won't work for anything larger than a village. I also know that monopolies do not work. So, Who has the fetish for things that don't work?

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July 08, 2011, 10:39:55 PM
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I know a 100% popular vote won't work for anything larger than a village. I also know that monopolies do not work. So, Who has the fetish for things that don't work?

The Polish didn't get anything done with that law in place. There was always someone blocking every single action they tried to take. That's what I call "don't work".

Today Pharma are given a temporary monopoly on their drugs to get their investments back. Most often they do. When the patent expires the prices drop.
What is it about that monopoly that doesn't work?

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