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Bargraphics
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November 08, 2013, 03:04:49 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone.
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aerobatic
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November 08, 2013, 03:07:45 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. the usual 70 day turn-around is for people who don't pay extra to the fab to expedite the process
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cointerra (OP)
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November 08, 2013, 03:25:47 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. the usual 70 day turn-around is for people who don't pay extra to the fab to expedite the process Turn around is commonly closer to 60 days, and we are expediting the process in several different ways. Ever since mock tape out we have been streamlining every piece of the manufacturing process so that we can deliver at break neck speed as soon as we receive chips.
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www.cointerra.com - Professional grade Bitcoin mining equipment. If you have any questions for us, we're happy to help at info (at) cointerra (dot) com
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wtfvanity
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November 08, 2013, 03:33:46 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. the usual 70 day turn-around is for people who don't pay extra to the fab to expedite the process Turn around is commonly closer to 60 days, and we are expediting the process in several different ways. Ever since mock tape out we have been streamlining every piece of the manufacturing process so that we can deliver at break neck speed as soon as we receive chips. Break neck like KNC that ships out crap or break neck like BFL's two weeks tm?
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November 08, 2013, 03:37:01 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. the usual 70 day turn-around is for people who don't pay extra to the fab to expedite the process Turn around is commonly closer to 60 days, and we are expediting the process in several different ways. Ever since mock tape out we have been streamlining every piece of the manufacturing process so that we can deliver at break neck speed as soon as we receive chips. Break neck like KNC that ships out crap or break neck like BFL's two weeks tm? KNC was shipping crap? LOL! I received my miner in the first week and was very pleased with the performance. So wtf are you talking about?!
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November 08, 2013, 03:43:54 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. They're having breast implants done?
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November 08, 2013, 03:44:50 PM |
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Turn around is commonly closer to 60 days
There are no 60 days left this year. So much for December delivery.
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November 08, 2013, 03:45:20 PM |
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ImI
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November 08, 2013, 03:46:05 PM |
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Turn around is commonly closer to 60 days
There are no 60 days left this year. So much for December delivery. Read again.
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Bargraphics
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November 08, 2013, 03:49:08 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. They're having breast implants done? I saw it Just don't feel like fixing it. But good one!
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Paladin69
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November 08, 2013, 03:57:35 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. the usual 70 day turn-around is for people who don't pay extra to the fab to expedite the process Turn around is commonly closer to 60 days, and we are expediting the process in several different ways. Ever since mock tape out we have been streamlining every piece of the manufacturing process so that we can deliver at break neck speed as soon as we receive chips. Isn't that risky? It's like one guy wood carving the male end of a piece hoping it'll fit into the shape that this other guy is wood carving in a different building without the two seeing exactly what the other is doing. If it doesn't go right, then a new tape-out must begin?
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Epoch
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November 08, 2013, 04:06:58 PM |
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Tape-out is fine, but doesn't really mean much beyond "things are progressing". They won't know that the chips actually work until they get them fabbed, packaged, and tested. Even if they do functionally work, they may not meet speed or power requirements. Anyone remember BFL?
I'm waiting for the announcement and proof that they have working prototypes hashing at X GH/s and using Y watts. If they can demonstrate a good product at a good price, I'll consider buying. Otherwise no.
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DPoS
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November 08, 2013, 06:01:01 PM |
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I'm waiting for the announcement and proof that they have working prototypes hashing at X GH/s and using Y watts. If they can demonstrate a good product at a good price, I'll consider buying. Otherwise no.
you know that is impossible. if there is 100% working product it can only stay on the shelf with ASICminer prices, or sell out in seconds that is why the gamble on pre-orders brings the price closer to normal ROI. it is left up to you to drop your cost-basis as much as you can so you can profit against others doing the same
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DPoS
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November 08, 2013, 06:06:02 PM |
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With the usual ~70 Day turn-around for Chips that puts you a little past mid January for your first silicone. the usual 70 day turn-around is for people who don't pay extra to the fab to expedite the process Turn around is commonly closer to 60 days, and we are expediting the process in several different ways. Ever since mock tape out we have been streamlining every piece of the manufacturing process so that we can deliver at break neck speed as soon as we receive chips. your quote is wrong: "In Bitcoin mining hardware, the factors that matter the most are the speed of hashing and the consumption of power. The CoinTerra GoldStrike1 based TerraMiner series is poised to be the leanest and most powerful Bitcoin mining line in the market"the most important is speed to market & hashing... power usage is such a small % that if you are happy to shave 50% of power costs (tiny part of equation) and give up 75% of btc production (very large part of equation) you are terrible at math or just 'selling your book' as they say if diff hardly grew, then yes you can show gains from less power but that is madness in this reality
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Wesly
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November 08, 2013, 06:32:18 PM |
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I'm waiting for the announcement and proof that they have working prototypes hashing at X GH/s and using Y watts. If they can demonstrate a good product at a good price, I'll consider buying. Otherwise no.
you know that is impossible. if there is 100% working product it can only stay on the shelf with ASICminer prices, or sell out in seconds that is why the gamble on pre-orders brings the price closer to normal ROI. it is left up to you to drop your cost-basis as much as you can so you can profit against others doing the same That might have been true back in the Bitcoin ASIC Dark Ages just 2 short months ago when all you had are 3 wonderful choices between BFL (long delay while being verbally abusive), Avalon (long silent that caused mental abuse) or ASICMiner (Ultra High price that abused and raped your wallets). But this will not be the case when CoinTerra start shipping in stock product next year. With KnC continue to sell more of their Gen1 while working on Gen2, HashFast shipping next month and maybe we will even see BFL Monarch next year (Sep?). There are much more and better choices of competent ASIC mining companies to choose from. No one will be able to abuse their in stock monopoly like ASICMiner did when they have only BFL and Avalon to make them look good in comparison (lesser of the 3 evils).
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Wesly
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November 08, 2013, 06:36:48 PM |
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your quote is wrong:
"In Bitcoin mining hardware, the factors that matter the most are the speed of hashing and the consumption of power. The CoinTerra GoldStrike1 based TerraMiner series is poised to be the leanest and most powerful Bitcoin mining line in the market"
the most important is speed to market & hashing... power usage is such a small % that if you are happy to shave 50% of power costs (tiny part of equation) and give up 75% of btc production (very large part of equation) you are terrible at math or just 'selling your book' as they say
if diff hardly grew, then yes you can show gains from less power but that is madness in this reality
I would say it is even simpler than that, speed and power usage are nothing if you can't put them into context along with the cost of purchase. How much GH/ BTC is the only formula anybody need to know to.
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DPoS
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November 08, 2013, 06:48:11 PM |
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I would say it is even simpler than that, speed and power usage are nothing if you can't put them into context along with the cost of purchase. How much GH/BTC is the only formula anybody need to know to.
true, that boils it down as long as that shipping date doesn't slip after you do your calculations There are much more and better choices of competent ASIC mining companies to choose from. No one will be able to abuse their in stock monopoly like ASICMiner did when they have only BFL and Avalon to make them look good in comparison (lesser of the 3 evils).
It will be interesting to see how this rolls out, don't forget how big boys play like when Avalon shipped chips to that Swiss company instead of the group buys.. same can happen with HF & Cointerra or even KnC if the price is right One funny thing with HF's MPP is that they should just ship more chips up front since everyone will know a ballpark ROI once they get to actually shipping miners. They can make a nice correction then since it will cost the same to them then as it does months later when they do their calculations up to 400% yadda yadda. If it is capped at 400% what is the true gain of seeing if they somehow DON'T have to ship up to 400% on the MPP? All that MPP stuff is a total gimmick.. if they gave more upfront, that would scare away more buyers of later batches that it wont help as much but see diff climb even more, but they hope this MPP makes the current customers feel they aren't that screwed and will get some carrot on a stick later
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November 08, 2013, 07:55:29 PM |
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I'm waiting for the announcement and proof that they have working prototypes hashing at X GH/s and using Y watts. If they can demonstrate a good product at a good price, I'll consider buying. Otherwise no.
you know that is impossible. if there is 100% working product it can only stay on the shelf with ASICminer prices, or sell out in seconds that is why the gamble on pre-orders brings the price closer to normal ROI. it is left up to you to drop your cost-basis as much as you can so you can profit against others doing the same My point was that Cointerra hasn't shown they have a working chip, much less a working system. So the risk of failure remains very real. KNC, using a different example, *does* have a working product so the risk of a failed design is gone; the only thing left to consider before making a purchasing decision is price and delivery. BitFury and the BFL 65nm line are also in this category. Cointerra and HashFast are not there yet. Sure, I like what I've seen of the Cointerra system, but until it's out of the vaporware stage I don't plan to do anything other than watch. My choice; YMMV.
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DPoS
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November 08, 2013, 08:22:47 PM |
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Sure, I like what I've seen of the Cointerra system, but until it's out of the vaporware stage I don't plan to do anything other than watch. My choice; YMMV.
I completely believe that Cointerra are satisfied with their customers taking all the risk and if they 'get it right' so be it.. their main design focus has always been the business model not the specs
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