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January 17, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
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After a week, it doesn't seem if people are shifting en-masse to the 2 new boards, to avoid signature spam. Looks like paid signatures are essentially the drivers of this forum.  Smiley
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January 17, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
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After a week, it doesn't seem if people are shifting en-masse to the 2 new boards, to avoid signature spam. Looks like paid signatures are essentially the drivers of this forum.  Smiley

Paid signatures may drive the majority of noise on this forum, but they are not the engine. There could be many reasons there are not more threads being started... partially visibility, and the fact that serious conversations take time to develop and are on a smaller scale when compared to the current noise. The fact that there are not a bunch of useless posts and threads being started in the serious discussion may symbolize that the majority of noise on the main discussion boards is due to paid campaigns... regardless, it's probably too early to conclude anything with these new boards, and I'm not sure they are really getting a fair chance for visibility sitting under "Other".

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January 17, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
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After a week, it doesn't seem if people are shifting en-masse to the 2 new boards, to avoid signature spam. Looks like paid signatures are essentially the drivers of this forum.  Smiley

Well I don't think that was ever really up for debate. I'd say easily 90% of users are here just for signature campaigns these days, but even those people who aren't here to just bleed them dry may just think what's the point and if they're going to post they might as well get paid for it. There's not really that much to discuss in there right now though either so I'm glad people aren't just forcing themselves to post but people not posting much in there doesn't matter. I would rather those boards be free of spam as they were intended than just crammed full with a load of semi-decent topics or a load of 'fake-deep' ones just posted for the sake.

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January 17, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
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I also notice that this thread ( Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion ) we can't view our signature. Is that part of this movement? Or Its been already implemented before this and I'm just late to know about that?

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January 17, 2018, 08:03:26 PM
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I also notice that this thread ( Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion ) we can't view our signature. Is that part of this movement? Or Its been already implemented before this and I'm just late to know about that?
This was implemented before. IIRC it was because there was a debate about the trashing (??) of the thread and rather than get rid of it because it was a source of information, theymos simply removed signatures for it. Find the thread discussing this if you want more precise information.

I see that newbies were already posting junk in Serious Discussion, so I made changes:
 - The member limitations are moved up one rank. You must be a Jr Member to post in Serious Discussion and a Full Member to post in Ivory Tower
 - Posts in Serious Discussion only activate a potential-activity period. They do not increase your post count.
 - Posts in Ivory Tower neither activate a potential-activity period nor increase your post count.
Can we implement some of these restrictions in Off Topic and Politics and Society boards as requested here:
How about in all stickied Meta threads too? I constantly see them being used by newbies to just farm up activity. They agree or say it's a good source of information and are doing fuck-all to the forum. And then there's the ones that are asking questions which are answered in the thread.

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January 17, 2018, 08:36:40 PM
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There's not really that much to discuss in there right now though either so I'm glad people aren't just forcing themselves to post but people not posting much in there doesn't matter.

I think it is a shame that people think this. I've started a couple of specialist threads - crypto domain names, and Bitcoin nodes over public wifi for travellers.

However, I'm surprised that my threads about the first settlement day for Bitcoin futures, and the imminent prosections for manipulating exchange prices didn't garner any responses.

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March 13, 2018, 05:26:39 AM
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I don’t usually follow the Serious Discussion forum, for four principal reasons:

0. I believe that all forums should be for serious discussion—or at least, for high-quality discussion.  I don’t want to contribute to the Bitcoin Forum following some internal version of the well-known “Lifecycle of an Internet Forum”, whereby old-timers are driven out by trash.  Inevitably, the old-timers then proceed to found a new forum—where the lifecycle repeats, just as inevitably.  I would prefer to either contribute my energy to making the ordinary topical forums good places to be—or leave this place entirely.

1. I dislike the idea of my signature being suppressed.  I need my PGP key fingerprint!  Why should I be punished to combat spam?  Likewise as for the post count rule.  Rather than than take these restrictions upon myself, I will choose to post elsewhere.

2. Excluding new accounts from discussion can decrease quality.  Vide my “Newbie” debut in the Development & Technology Discussion forum, made three days after I started actively posting.  That would have been excluded from “Serious Discussion”.

3. A quick skim over threads in “Serious Discussion” shows that its rules do not actually guarantee discussions more serious than I could find elsewhere.  Perhaps the overall S/N ratio may be higher; I’d need to read that forum more to find out.  But if I desire a very serious discussion, I would rather seek out, say, the best threads in Dev & Tech.  Those are serious.



I’ve had the foregoing thoughts ever since I first saw notice of “Serious Discussion”.  Now, I am driven to air them by a bit of irritation:  I created a brand-new role account sooner than I’d intended, due to having inadvertently discovered a relevant thread in Serious Discussion.  I wanted to use the new account to reply there.  I bought a Copper Membership for it.  Then, I realized that it is disallowed from posting there; I’d forgotten the Jr. Member rank requirement, since I rarely ever pay attention to that forum.



I suggest that Copper Membership should permit immediate posting in Serious Discussion.  I just tried; it doesn’t.  Willingness to pay a nontrivial fee is likely to be a far more reliable indicator of quality than the ability to farm an account for activity, with no merit requirement to reach Jr. rank.  Moreover, the nontrivial fee makes the ban hammer much more painful for those who may be inclined to create throwaway accounts.

For Serious Discussion, at least, this would provide the “legitimate means to bypass” mechanistic rules as mentioned below.

Amidst an Internet “gimme” culture wherein most people expect everything for free, anybody who is willing to pay money for an Internet forum account must be presumed to be—well, serious about it, ipso facto.



As for the “Ivory Tower”:  I’ve never set foot in there.  I am excluded from posting in the Ivory Tower, and will remain so until sometime after Activity Period 1257 starts at 19:40:00 (UTC) today, 13 March 2018.  Although I know the virtues of lurking (and did so long before I even created an account), I would not read a forum where I am forbidden from replying.

Although I am not at all against exclusivity, it is important for any strict social exclusions to be based on other than fully mechanistic application of rules such as the activity system; and where mechanistic rules are used, it is important to provide a legitimate means to bypass them where warranted.  Think of it as a social safety valve.  Or perhaps now that the merit system is in place, merit (which is non-mechanistic) should be used as the criterion for “Ivory Tower” access.

For my part, the most valuable discussion I’ve had here has been in Development & Technology Discussion—most of all in a self-moderated thread, where I can nuke trolls without heed to their cries of “censorship”.  That is my ivory tower.

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March 13, 2018, 08:19:08 AM
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I support the serious discussion board, and I am pleased that new members and alts are restricted from posting there. There are plenty of other boards for them to use, In fact, I think it should be restricted to members and above.

Having to create self-moderated threads on other boards, just shows that there is a need for a moderated board with posting restrictions. Self-moderated threads seem to develop a bias as a result of the centralised control of the posting.

I don't like the idea of my signature being suppressed either, but I am prepared to accept that restriction, if it keeps out the very low grade posting from the sig spamming polluters of the other boards.

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March 13, 2018, 01:37:57 PM
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I don't think anyone posting here for some grand motivation only and nothing else, except for those earlier developer of BTC, now most probably if not all have something motivating them to post here, either ranking up, merit, signature campaign, even those who have supposedly only informative website on their sig were motivated to post some useless reply just to get backlink to their website, but they hide behind their no campaign sig ideal when in fact they are not any better than those sig campaign spam poster.

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