If they don't have Stocks Available " Please Don't Buy " "No More Pre Orders"

[ProfMac]

The Scary thought is not delivering on time. We need to have the Vendors to Guarantee Delivery on Time.

My Avalon is making about 0.8 BTC per day this week, down a lot from the 5 or 6 BTC/day estimated in mid March.  I am in touch with the large amount of income that it could have made in March, April, May, and June.

Almost 10 years ago, I spent a very long time laying out a computer board, making prototype runs, getting the software right.  I posted photographs of operational prototypes, and I tried to collect pre-paid funds to do a cheaper production run.  I did not get the money, and I did not make the run.  No one was angry with me, but no one got a product, and I was effectively unemployed during my development time.

KickStarter is a thriving crowd sourced pre-paid project funding environment, and it is very, very cool.

I am convinced, if Bitsyncom / Avalon had not taken pre-orders, that the angst surrounding them would not exist.  I am also sure that I would not have an Avalon, and that the Avalon units that did sell would be much more expensive.

I am gathering funds now to make another pre-order paid with bitcoin.  I hope enough other people will pre-pay so that the technology growth continues.

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[eve]

Pre Order with No Guarantee of Delivery and No Refund is a dead end.

[polarhei]

Agreed. As there are many scams. Let see if kncminer is also...

[Phinnaeus Gage]

So the real question is, if you don't want to pre-order, why are you pre-ordering?  If someone wants to pre-order, why do you care what someone else wants to do?

How are you forced to pre-order from any company?

Why do you feel compelled to want to control others in what they are able and allowed to do?

Preordering is a choice, not a requirement.  No one is required to preorder an ASIC.

I swear, I thought the title of this thread was: If you don't have socks available...

[10:37 PM]   Mouth-Full-O-Earth : Josh, I have the negative bal problem
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[10:41 PM]   polrpaul : [11:38 PM] Mouth-Full-O-Earth : Ok, I've passed that along for the devs to look at it
[10:41 PM]   polrpaul : [11:40 PM] BFL_Josh : I've passed that along for the devs to look at it
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[10:41 PM]   polrpaul : I just thought it was peculiarly same language
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[10:42 PM]   BFL_Josh : I think I hit hte wrong key when I was replying and it sent as him... not sure how that's possible, but it also copied his order number into my text box.

Fake customer support... that's a new low
Your $4mil at work

That confirms he is using socks.

And the following confirms he doesn't use them.

I wonder where the foul mouthed BFL spokesdude has gone too. The silence is deafening. Hello? If you miss your daily quota of personal attacks and trolling accusations, this is going to reflect badly in your performance review under the "productivity" section. Please think of the children and save Christmas.

Are you so dense that you haven't figured it out yet?  I only come in here and whip up the natives when the BFL mania dies down.  Right now, it's a raging fire, you don't need my input.  The top 10+ threads in the hardware forum are all about BFL.  If things start dying down again, I'll post more.

...and they're mostly debates about whether BFL is staffed by idiots or thieves.

You are one of my best workers   I appreciate you more than you know.

Thank you! Must be nice saving all the effort of creating sockpuppet accounts yourself.

Absolutely!  I don't believe in sock puppet accounts, I just get people like you to post constantly.

[eve]

Pre Order without using credit cards or Paypal is a BIG RISKS. They will SURELY Ends Up like Avalon and Butterfly that delay and No delivery and you have no recourse to get back your Refund, but only bark and bark or shout and shout in this forum. If you used third party like Paypal or Credit cards you are protected and get refund when they delay or don't delivers.

[karlmarxxx]

I would have no problems with pre-orders if they were like an iPhone preorder, as in a release date is posted, so there is a real deadline. That system I am ok with, what I am not ok with is using pre-orders as a vehicle for R&D. I think that future bitcoin miners should demand ownership in the company in return for the risk. This might allow for the miners to have voting rights to have some say in how the company manages the investments made to them and would allow an incompetent CEO to be replaced. Hopefully bitshares will solve that more easily, we shall see...

Either way no original asic company can say that the average customer made more money than just holding bitcoins or buying bitcoins on first day of orders. It's bad press for BTC when orders don't come for months and it makes it look scammy/ponzi/in need of regulation, which hurts the community as a whole.

[NiteShdw]

In the beginning of ASICs, I can understand the need for pre-orders to get the funds to actually create the devices and there was little competition.  The difficulty rate wouldn't change dramatically over a few months.

However, now with the difficulty rate skyrocketing, it's very difficult to know what the rate will be in 3 months when a pre-order to due to be shipped, making it hard to make a good judgment on the ROI.

The rapidly changing difficulty rate means that ASIC vendors will need to start taking orders within a month of the order date so that pricing can be adjusted appropriately for the difficultly level.

I would caution consumers though that our pre-orders are funding large ASIC companies who will eventually have enough money to just built chips and mine for themselves with no incentive to sell the actual devices.  I predict that within the next 2 years that nearly all of the bitcoin hashrate will be provided by large farms from a few ASIC manufacturers rather than individual miners.

[eve]

Stay Away from Pre Orders, especially the ones that don't allowed  Credit Cards and No Stocks available.

[Threader]

 No Pre orders and they don't accept credit cards or Paypal so stay clear.

They are 2 many scams and vendors breaking their promises on pre orders, so don't, don't and DON'T BUY Pre Orders.

I look at the new companies webshops like Cointerra and Hashfast and its direct BTC or Bitpay payments only 

Fool me once (BFL) shame on them, Fool me Twice shame on me.

No CC or Paypal with CC then NO CANDY FOR YOU

I'm on wait for CC payment with Bitfury US October order.