In their defense, BF Labs Inc. has excellent Customer Service.

[oktar]

Because of all of this shit I'm getting close to start a flaming BFL thread which (I hope so) would prevent potencional customers from buying from bfl and losing their money. We should have sticked thread about that. Even people from this forum are considering purchase from this joke-company of their new "monarch" delivery-scam-product. Imagine how many are not related with this community and willing to buy like white sheeps. Scam with white glovers, BFL's speciality. Still can't fucking believe.

[FUKT]

Interesting that Josh would give the accusation this much attention, how many posts is that of his in this thread?

True and most of it seemed to be concerned with proof of fraud or attorneys. He knows or is worried about what's coming. I threw a quick message out in the shoutbox yesterday asking who might be intertested in launching a class action action against BFL, sort of a tentative feeler: banned for trolling within 2 minutes. I also tried to start a thread about it as well: never got published. Anyway, I'll just wait for word back from attorneys and see what happens.

[erschiessen]

No, that confirms that you're an idiot.  It also confirms there is an "edit shout" button in the shoutbox.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand simple concepts like an "edit" button or anything, since advanced concepts like general understanding of the world around you are so far beyond you as to be laughable.  By all means, continue to show what a moron you are.

BFL_Josh : I think I hit hte wrong key when I was replying and it sent as him... not sure how that's possible

Really? An edit shout button? The button you supposedly didn't know existed until after you had to explain your sock puppetry?
First a 2 month delay in Monarch 3 days after you announce it, then you get caught with a sock puppet.

Inaba didn't adequately explain this.
Instead he chased the tires of the fraud-mobile.

[millsdmb]

Interesting that Josh would give the accusation this much attention, how many posts is that of his in this thread?

True and most of it seemed to be concerned with proof of fraud or attorneys. He knows or is worried about what's coming. I threw a quick message out in the shoutbox yesterday asking who might be intertested in launching a class action action against BFL, sort of a tentative feeler: banned for trolling within 2 minutes. I also tried to start a thread about it as well: never got published. Anyway, I'll just wait for word back from attorneys and see what happens.

LOL I saw you there, after they banned you Josh (in typical style) called said you were Fukt from "bitcointroll".
 
I should have never trusted Inaba, such a douche bag-hitler

[Inaba]

Ooo look, the little trolls are are riled up.  Awesome

The waaambulance is busy today!

[Xian01]

Ooo look, the little trolls are are riled up.  Awesome
The waaambulance is busy today!

 The fact that you find perverse pleasure in this, while continually skirting legitimate questions and concerns, while putting on a sock-puppet-show, should illustrate to your prospective customers everything they need to know about why not to deal with Butterfly Labs.

 Tick tock.

[erschiessen]

http://sockpuppettheatre.com/video/trolling-101/

[Tigggger]

Q: Why "Inaba" isn't banned already for scamming people around here for continuous things like "Two more weeks (TM)" and insulting people that are his customers ?

A: Because he's given too much advertising revenue to the forum administrators.

Have you seen his current bids, 11BTC, why so desperate to advertise to a forum of mounmental assholes josh ?

Free ad to help you out in my sig. Your welcome

[k9quaint]

Ooo look, the little trolls are are riled up.  Awesome

The waaambulance is busy today!

Pirateat40 thought he got away with his fraud too. 

Order a Monarch today and BFL will tell you it will arrive in Nov of 2013.
As soon as BFL gets your money, they tell you Feb 2014. 

[millsdmb]

Ooo look, the little trolls are are riled up.  Awesome

The waaambulance is busy today!

Pirateat40 thought he got away with his fraud too.  

Order a Monarch today and BFL will tell you it will arrive in Nov of 2013.
As soon as BFL gets your money, they tell you Feb 2014.  

and take away the "lifetime" warranty too. Only after payment rec'd  

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/4430-lifetime-warranty-expires-65nm-parts-once-monarch-ships.html

[the joint]

an idiot, moron

you should be happy that you are still not arrested for fraud instead of bitching to other forum members.

And why is that?  No fraud has been committed, so why would there be arrests made?  Your little fantasy land doesn't apply to reality, sorry.

I'll let my lawyer be the judge of that.  He likes the reality version of reality, not yours.

I'm sure your lawyer is having a good time with Xians', laughing at you guys while they take your money and whisper soothing words in your ear.

No, he's having a good time watching you self-incriminate.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

an idiot, moron

you should be happy that you are still not arrested for fraud instead of bitching to other forum members.

And why is that?  No fraud has been committed, so why would there be arrests made?  Your little fantasy land doesn't apply to reality, sorry.

Out of curiosity, what would you consider 'fraud'... or what is your definition of fraud?   Sometimes people on here seem to have their own interpretations, just curious what yours is.


I am going based off of:

Definition(s) of fraud:
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=785
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud

the intentional use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means to deprive another of his/her/its money, property or a legal right.

EDIT: There are plenty of accusations that scream 'fraud'... not sure what is provable at this point, but if there is fraud being committed, it will be 'fully' proven soon enough.

That definition looks about right.  Angry little monkies like PL, PG, K9, etc... might like you to believe that's happened, but as of yet they've not shown a shred of proof to back up their claims.  Most everyone has given up on them ever providing proof, since none exists, so we are just left with a giant circle jerk of the anti-BFL crowd patting each other on the backs in every thread about how awesome they are and how they are doing a service to the community, while everyone basically ignores what they have to say.  

So, unless you've got some proof fraud has been committed, you should probably move along.  However, if you do have some proof, by all means send it to someone who cares, like the police or something.  If the scale of fraud and illegal acts PG, PL, K9, etc... would have you believe were actually true, don't you think some governmental agency would have contacted us by now?   Occams razor would seem to dictate that PG and crew are liars, since all their claims of fraud have gone unanswered by the people who actually know what fraud is.

I just hate it when Bloomberg lies to us: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-12/n-y-regulator-subpoenas-firms-over-bitcoin-crime-risks.html

Butterfly Labs, a technology company, also received a subpoena, according to the person familiar with the matter.

Moreover, you lying piece of shit, for I just happened to have first-hand knowledge that at least two governmental agency have contacted BF Labs Inc., hence further exposing everything I possibly can about BFL so that others are not hurt financially.

And if you are going to reply to this post, make sure you include a statement about the FCC certification process you promised us over 10 months ago, along with telling us who was the Sonny K. guy you first met at Butterfly Labs.

[millsdmb]

Yeah real stand up guy. Doesn't care that he mines bitcoins, no conflict there. I just figured he wasn't buying a monarch because they wont ever exist.

[11:15 PM]   jmanjes : Josh how many monarchs are you buying?
[11:15 PM]   RockyRacoon : Is there an expected date on which all "backorders" will be fulfilled?
[11:15 PM]   John Dow : 51%
[11:15 PM]   BFL_Josh : None personally... too much conflict of interest.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Occams razor would seem to dictate that PG and crew are liars, since all their claims of fraud have gone unanswered by the people who actually know what fraud is.

I'll tell you what, Josh. If I were in front of you right now, I would stick a broomstick up your ass.

You don't have the motherfuckin' right to say to anybody that something has gone unanswered, you cocksucker!

FCC?

SONNY K.?

[Carlton Banks]

Josh has written so many posts accusing people of being:

- Trolls
- Liars
- Sock Puppets
- Stupid

The supreme irony that he's guily of being a stupid, lying, trolling sock puppeteer is, well, let's say superlatives can't do it justice.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

an idiot, moron

you should be happy that you are still not arrested for fraud instead of bitching to other forum members.

And why is that?  No fraud has been committed, so why would there be arrests made?  Your little fantasy land doesn't apply to reality, sorry.

I'll let my lawyer be the judge of that.  He likes the reality version of reality, not yours.

I'm sure your lawyer is having a good time with Xians', laughing at you guys while they take your money and whisper soothing words in your ear.

I'm the only here that has offered up being sued by BF Labs Inc., but since my stance on calling them a fraud is factual, they opted not to sue me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255830.0

[GodHatesFigs]

I want to feel bad for BFL customers, but at this point they knew what they were signing up for. Fools, money.

[millsdmb]

I want to feel bad for BFL customers, but at this point they knew what they were signing up for. Fools, money.

I wonder what rigs he uses while his customers wait empty handed.

[Xian01]

Meanwhile... on Google...

[millsdmb]

Meanwhile... on Google...

I think I need to put even MOAR keywords in the yutube description. didn't we have a bunch already in another thread. EDIT: Found it. I'll add this to the description.

you don't understand how to communicate with others in a professional manner until forced to by your own actions

 Touche.

 I would like to think my experiences with being fired as a customer by Butterfly Labs has ultimately helped me become a better person.

BULLSHIT!

The Google search spider will end up with dozens of pages on how to get a refund from BFL!
It will be the first link people see when they Google butterfly labs 

PSA:
If you have ordered from BFL and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules).
First ask BFL for one, they will probably say no but you might get lucky.
If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. One customer has already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days.
If you ordered via BTC or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with BFL to get your refund. You can also contact the office of the Kansas Attorney General and inform them that you have had your money taken with no product d
elivered for months, just more promises.

There are also several threads on how to get a refund from BFL, here are two:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0

Lets help the spider with common google key words searches:

I need a refund from BFL!
I want a refund from BFL!
Can I get a refund from BFL?
Who is Josh Zerlan?
Is Josh Zerlan a _______?
What is BFL?
Why did BFL fail me?
What is Jody doing at Butterfly labs?
Can Jody from BFL get me a refund?
Who is PG?
Why does PG care?
Is PG really lying?
PG Quotes ....

BUY BFL for 2495
60 Gigahash Bitcoin Miner
30 Gigahash Bitcoin Miner

Refunds.
I need BFL refund.
Give me my fucking refund BFL.
When will my order ship?
Will my order ship?
Did my order ship?

etc Google this