In their defense, BF Labs Inc. has excellent Customer Service.

[k9quaint]

Notice how Josh/Inaba completely dodges the question of why they are selling November/December 2013 to their investors when they have already admitted the product will not realistically ship until January of 2014.

He also dodged the question of what changed in the last 3 days that caused a 2 month delay?

Sockpuppets gotta sock?

Actually it looks like it is february. Go look in the other threads.

3 days and already a 3 month delay?
Even I never expected the surprise sex to be this swift and this brazen.

[PuertoLibre]

Notice how Josh/Inaba completely dodges the question of why they are selling November/December 2013 to their investors when they have already admitted the product will not realistically ship until January of 2014.

He also dodged the question of what changed in the last 3 days that caused a 2 month delay?

Sockpuppets gotta sock?

Actually it looks like it is february. Go look in the other threads.

3 days and already a 3 month delay?
Even I never expected the surprise sex to be this swift and this brazen.

[Xian01]

Notice how Josh/Inaba completely dodges the question...

 To be fair, he get's paid to dodge questions. To do otherwise would cause his reality to collapse on itself in a singularity of hubris, arrogance, and ignorance.

[Xialla]

an idiot, moron

you should be happy that you are still not arrested for fraud instead of bitching to other forum members.

And why is that?  No fraud has been committed, so why would there be arrests made?  Your little fantasy land doesn't apply to reality, sorry.

can you refund customers? no
can you ship ordered product to them? no (they are waiting months like idiots)

so simple..

[PuertoLibre]

Notice how Josh/Inaba completely dodges the question...

 To be fair, he get's paid to dodge questions. To do otherwise would cause his reality to collapse on itself in a singularity of hubris, arrogance, and ignorance.

You should see the type of dodging they do in congress when questioned about a specific matter.

Would make Josh look like a sitting duck.

[PuertoLibre]

What Inaba should say is that the first sample units will be available in November and possibly through December. As they refine the product they will ship en masse through to January and February.

Therefore all customers will get their units within this time frame. They should expect an early delivery. (without defining what "early means" )

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See? You don't see that class of Bullshit coming out of Inaba. They paid for a rookie, they get a rookie.

[RoadStress]

No, that confirms that you're an idiot.  It also confirms there is an "edit shout" button in the shoutbox.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand simple concepts like an "edit" button or anything, since advanced concepts like general understanding of the world around you are so far beyond you as to be laughable.  By all means, continue to show what a moron you are.

Don't you have units to ship instead of reading this forum all the time?

GG for ~30 min reply!

[k9quaint]

Notice how Josh/Inaba completely dodges the question of why they are selling November/December 2013 to their investors when they have already admitted the product will not realistically ship until January of 2014.

He also dodged the question of what changed in the last 3 days that caused a 2 month delay?

Sockpuppets gotta sock?

Actually it looks like it is february. Go look in the other threads.

3 days and already a 3 month delay?
Even I never expected the surprise sex to be this swift and this brazen.

Ah, I see. They advertise November 2013, but can't know realistically ship until February 2014.
4 months of lost revenue in 3 days time. That is epic even for BFL.

[PuertoLibre]

If K9 were paid,

He would ask:

What is the ROI like in February 2014?
(Yikes, don't do that!)

[erschiessen]

an idiot, moron

you should be happy that you are still not arrested for fraud instead of bitching to other forum members.

And why is that?  No fraud has been committed, so why would there be arrests made?  Your little fantasy land doesn't apply to reality, sorry.

can you refund customers? no
can you ship ordered product to them? no (they are waiting months like idiots)

so simple..

This.

So fraud.

[Loredo]

Notice how Josh/Inaba completely dodges the question of why they are selling November/December 2013 to their investors when they have already admitted the product will not realistically ship until January of 2014.

He also dodged the question of what changed in the last 3 days that caused a 2 month delay?

Sockpuppets gotta sock?

Actually it looks like it is february. Go look in the other threads.

Is that right?    

My first contact with small businesses, dysfunctional, scamming, and cons, was with an SBIC in late 1980's.  Seen a lot, but never, ever, the kind of crap this marketplace allows promoters to pull off.  

It's endlessly fascinating.  Hard to change this channel.

[k9quaint]

If K9 were paid,

He would ask:

What is the ROI like in February 2014?
(Yikes, don't do that!)

That is actually just outside my model. I don't project any further than 6 months ahead. Also, the probability that BFL will actually ship by February is very small given that just 3 days after announcing, they had to delay the product delivery from November 2013 to February 2014.

[oktar]

I can't fucking believe. Why "Inaba" isn't banned already for scamming people around here for continuous things like "Two more weeks (TM)" and insulting people that are his customers ? Delivering  ASICs after a year? Talking shit on his customers? I mean c'mon! A company in real world would fire him shortly. It means that BFL is a joke. Why you people can't skip BFL? They are shit. Those are facts. You will never see a ROI with their delivery time unless you find an idiot who pays for you pre-order or pays too much for a device in hand if you are lucky enough to be first in a queue.

NEVER BUY FROM BFL. PERIOD.

[Starlightbreaker]

hold on hold on.

3 days = 3 months of delay

if "the end of the year" is (...or was) the scheduled shipping date, it will be pushed back at least 90 days.

90 days = 90 months.

BFL monarch will be shipped out in 2020.

huh, that sounds kinda right.

[Xian01]

Q: Why "Inaba" isn't banned already for scamming people around here for continuous things like "Two more weeks (TM)" and insulting people that are his customers ?

A: Because he's given too much advertising revenue to the forum administrators.

[Starlightbreaker]

I can't fucking believe. Why "Inaba" isn't banned already for scamming people around here for continuous things like "Two more weeks (TM)" and insulting people that are his customers ? Delivering  ASICs after a year? Talking shit on his customers? I mean c'mon! A company in real world would fire him shortly. It means that BFL is a joke. Why you people can't skip BFL? They are shit. Those are facts. You will never see a ROI with their delivery time unless you find an idiot who pays for you pre-order or pays too much for a device in hand if you are lucky enough to be first in a queue.

NEVER BUY FROM BFL. PERIOD.

because he paid theymos with sweet bitcoins.

[PuertoLibre]

Q: Why "Inaba" isn't banned already for scamming people around here for continuous things like "Two more weeks (TM)" and insulting people that are his customers ?

A: Because he's given too much advertising revenue to the forum administrators.

Or because truth tellers never get incarcerated. They just plea to a lesser charge and snitch. (<-- epic bait for PG)

[PuertoLibre]

If K9 were paid,

He would ask:

What is the ROI like in February 2014?
(Yikes, don't do that!)

That is actually just outside my model. I don't project any further than 6 months ahead. Also, the probability that BFL will actually ship by February is very small given that just 3 days after announcing, they had to delay the product delivery from November 2013 to February 2014.

Then, whatever you do, don't ask for information on how do they even know that the samples will prove to be worthwhile.

Facts: Tapeout in August 2013. Right?
Facts: Low nm parts usually have more layers than high nm parts. Avalon @ 110nm had 29 layers, BFL's 65nm parts had many more. (Each layer takes about 1 day to deposit...hence, the long turn around times)


Question: If BFL is using a 28nm part for Gen2, then how many days does it take for the samples to go through various stages of packaging to figure out if they need to make corrections to the first batch? (Clock buffers anyone?)

If a 28nm part probably takes 90 days....then is BFL betting on November/December being right the first time? Did they really learn from their mistakes?

Does anyone see where I am going with this?

[Carlton Banks]

Interesting that Josh would give the accusation this much attention, how many posts is that of his in this thread?

[PuertoLibre]

From August + 90 days = November 2013 (what a coincidence!)

From November + 90 days = February 2014 (Uh Oh. Does anyone see the coincidences?)

Whats the story that you folks can infer from this?