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Question: Should all drugs be legalized?
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January 26, 2018, 10:52:19 PM
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.
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January 26, 2018, 11:08:34 PM
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.
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January 26, 2018, 11:09:24 PM
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Drugs destroy people but not only, it destroys the family and random people who don't ask anything, and a family doesn't ask to be destroyed.



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January 26, 2018, 11:14:54 PM
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.


Valid points.

However, that's the individual person's choice. My university has a strict no drugs policy. Work place rules could still be set to prevent drug use (especially while on the job). Also, considering no insurance provider covers you while under the influence now, I don't see why they would in the future.

And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

As long as the people know the consequences of their actions, they'd be responsible for their own bodies. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean they don't want to.


Most of those problems are caused by the black market effect. If it's illegal to even seek treatment for the condition, of course the condition is going to become terrible.

If heroin was sold in safe needles and doses, you'd have less problems with a lot of those propaganda images. The problem isn't the drugs themselves rather the conditions surrounding the drugs.

Do you really think people would be taking something someone cooked up in their shed if there was a safer, more effective, over the counter drug that's just as cheap (if not cheaper [mass production])?
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January 26, 2018, 11:29:05 PM
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As it always turns out, this exact debate has already been had on trilema.
http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/
There's probably a translation somewhere.
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January 26, 2018, 11:38:33 PM
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As it always turns out, this exact debate has already been had on trilema.
http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/
There's probably a translation somewhere.

That's assuming a free market rather than a regulated market. FDA exists my dude.

There's a ton of arguments to be made against the post though... nearly every single line can be argued.

>the reason you will not believe it is that you have not seriously considered the matter.

Really motherfucker? Who are YOU to tell me about how much time I spend fucking considering it. You're who again? A blog writer? A medical researcher? A stats expert? An economic genius? Because I could be any of those. How would you fucking know?

>The main problem with the efficient functioning of a free economy is that if you can then.

This was the line that made me actually start thinking about arguing. There is no free economy. Governments are tied into everything already.

>In a market that evaluates on the basis of price, the subjective choices and the moral values ​​of the participants do not matter at all.

Well, price includes actual manufacturing and safety concerns. I'm not sure that moral values of anyone in any industry really matters. Do you care that you're given the option to effectively make your computer MORE unsecure by disabling the default protections?


>You're wondering how grocery makers are acting as if they're falling in the head, adding all the crap in all they do, then spending money to convince the people to eat that shit. You may find it inexplicable and somewhat aberrant that the world is starting to spoil the hen with a kind of chainsaw, after which the resulting paste is washed in ammonia and pressed into the form of McNuggets. However, what these people have in their head, you may be wondering. They have experience in food production, they understand, they understand the problems, it's in the mind of the cock that such a mess is not suitable for human consumption, why do they produce it?


I don't even understand this? We're talking about drugs.

>Well, it's true, they have experience, they understand and understand that what they sell is not really food.

And regulation forces them to disclose this. Marketing however is pretty shady, but freedom of speech is pretty powerful.


>But they do not have it. If you can, you must. If you do not produce the ammonia-washed chicken paste that you give it at ten cents, another will produce it, and it will give it at ten cents and three quarters.

Alright dude, this is like straight up lies. Pretty sure that'd be a regulatory violation in my nation.

>And you, a gentleman and principled producer of good quality chicken, will sit on the bar, sell at no time and go bankrupt.

Nah, artisan people are making bank now-a-days. That unique experience is what drives people forward.

> That's the real meaning of the competition on the price, it's a competition to find out who can make the cheapest and the worst thing that the market still accepts as a fried chicken, or as a book, or as a car.

If this were a true statement, everyone would be buying RollADeathy200. We have regularity standards that create a bare miniumium requirement for safety.

>What do you think brought the US banking crisis? Are these bankers so busy that even one did not understand that it is a bad idea to lend money to people who have no way to pay them? Well, here's what you see, everyone understood . Perhaps there are some bums that have not been caught, but in general, by the way , as the Englishman says, the profession knew that he would be able to collect it by 2006. Just for the simple reason that you can not give credits to guys who can not pay, such a move is bankruptcy clean.


Dude, we're fucking talking about drugs. Not those scum. Fuck you for wasting my time with this serious thread.

>So why did they do it? Simple. If Bank X makes a stupid thing to write a profit, Y Bank has a very acute problem in front of her: either she does what X does, and she writes a profit, or stays and waits, that is, wait and wait the value per action falls. Because shareholders, faced with a profit-making company and a Y profit-making company, do not begin to analyze whythis difference appears, but it simply moves with a puppy with a piglet to X in the garden. So, between bankruptcy on the spot, because you opposed the market, or go bankrupt with the whole market, the healthier strategy for management is, from their point of view, to go with the market and give all bankruptcy together . The policy known by most people in the primary classes, too , is " too big to fail " that means "it just does not expel the whole class ."


Oh, I see why you wasted my time. Yeah, GM [Ford / whoever does what, idfk cars] makes shit cars. I understand.. oh wait, they don't because those regulations I was talking about earlier.

>What's the solution? Oh, more stringent regulations, I say witches from the SU today. Fix fis. Stringent regulations will be deplored by the same in five or ten years when it "prevents the flexibility" so necessary ... competition.

Oh hey, he called my argument. Shit, he's smart. Except his argument is flawed. Telsa exists, true competition was born.


>Well, market empowerment. Correct. People will even start studying seriously the issue prospectuses and investment policies of the banks, spending as much as ten to twenty thousand dollars in the form of skill and effort to invest a thousand or two. Sure you do. Ala who is too stupid to make him a home-baked chicken will spend tens of hours to study which fastfood producers are using healthy methods. Sure you do. Afer.



DUDE! Bad argument. Not only did it cause the banking crash in the first fucking place, it also caused the great depression. Reducing regulation prevents markets from boom and bust. If social welfare was better, we'd be able to handle the bust cycles better. However, as we're not entirely united as a world, we can't handle many busts in a row without the world shitting on us.

>And now we can come to the matter. Amphetamine and derivatives (such as that known as meth in the state) have the advantage that two to six hours after consumption adds a significant added energy and attention to the consumer. With long-term harmful effects. As a result, between a third and a half of US TIR drivers use meth during their service. Why ? Well, if I can, I need it.


Yeah, meth is pretty fucking easy to manufacture, but it's pretty fucking dangerous. I'm fairly sure there's already prescription medication that give the same stimulate effects as meth that could be produced cheaper than meth itself in its current state (which is pretty fucking cheap already afaik). If it takes a pill, how many people do you think would smoke some powder that rots their teeth?
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>Because the job is hard, it requires a lot of effort and a lot of attention, and people compete with each other.

Not everyone competes my dude.

> The employer is not interested in how you did to fulfill his job duties. And if one-third of drivers drive meth and give "good results," it's raising the "standards" for everyone, and the shift boss is not willing to tolerate your needs simply because you have them.

Illegal to drink at work because OSHA. I don't see why being on an illegal drug (or prescription drug that prevents operating machinery) would change that.

>So do good and get some meth. As a result, the percentage of users is on the rise for twenty years, and probably soon will become the rule.

Yeah, because it's not the ultra rich that are ruling. They become upper middle class (and maybe 3 generations later rich) at most.

>Going to school is an exercise in boredom because the school has a funny joke, and it will become more and more fun and fun as wages continue to drop and the quality of teachers crashes (let's say once a group has lost its intellectual prestige, it can never recover it again). What can you do to get the bad guy out of Romanian and head it up? Bugging a joint, brother, calms you. How to resist 6-7-8 hours of uninteresting, badly presented and misinterpreted times when you needto stay at school, even if you'd prefer to do another thousand things before you slung your ass in the chair? Get with Mari Ioana, the most faithful girl. Everything's funnier, more tolerable, girls do not get excited to get up on the walls, it's good.


I told you my school prohibits drug use. Minimum wage should be tied to cost of living?

>If drugs were not illegal, drugs would be mandatory.

Yeah, I gotta get wasted every single night to keep up. I drink my self to death because I can drink alcohol. /s
(I hope you know that /s is a sarcasm tag).

That's a slippery slope if I've ever saw one.

So why are you reading this propaganda my dude and not thinking critically?
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January 26, 2018, 11:51:42 PM
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Enough with the non-sequiturs. Peace out.
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January 26, 2018, 11:52:20 PM
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

And they should be allowed to do so if they wish. Or choose to preserve their health instead.
It is like banning woodcutting because it is a dangerous job.

If this gets to be the case, you will likely see laws being made that insure fair working conditions where workers don't need to do drugs just to keep their job.
They will probably not be allowed to hire people that use speed in these industries.
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January 26, 2018, 11:58:20 PM
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Not all. Weed for sure. But I'm not sure if I'd like to see a lot of people on heroin on the streets.
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January 26, 2018, 11:59:42 PM
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Enough with the non-sequiturs. Peace out.

Yeah, valid point. See I've revised. It's just after the first line... yeah, I've already typed most of this. Hope ya come back my dude =D

If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

And they should be allowed to do so if they wish. Or choose to preserve their health instead.
It is like banning woodcutting because it is a dangerous job.

If this gets to be the case, you will likely see laws being made that insure fair working conditions where workers don't need to do drugs just to keep their job.
They will probably not be allowed to hire people that use speed in these industries.

Exactly my line of thinking.

Not all. Weed for sure. But I'm not sure if I'd like to see a lot of people on heroin on the streets.

Bums already do heroin in the streets, however you rarely see them because as far as it knocks you the fuck down.
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January 27, 2018, 12:19:48 AM
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Not at all to be exact there are only three kinds of drugs the legal, illegal and at the in-between of the two. Well, if legalization of drugs would be finalized then we can see rampant buying of selling to it even though not in the counter. You say it is legal then people who has different perspective of interpreting it wouldn't just be in the counter. If drugs would be legal I think the only one isn't exempted is the illegal drugs and who said that it helps someone's life buy taking it? I support Marijuana cause I think that is the in-between drug and it's herbal drug to me.
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January 27, 2018, 01:05:03 AM
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Not at all to be exact there are only three kinds of drugs the legal, illegal and at the in-between of the two. Well, if legalization of drugs would be finalized then we can see rampant buying of selling to it even though not in the counter. You say it is legal then people who has different perspective of interpreting it wouldn't just be in the counter. If drugs would be legal I think the only one isn't exempted is the illegal drugs and who said that it helps someone's life buy taking it? I support Marijuana cause I think that is the in-between drug and it's herbal drug to me.

We have peer reviewed evidence that proves that marijuana is a carcinogen. It's a drug that literally causes cancer. Cancer could definitely take someone's life.

At what point do you think drugs should legal? (should coke be legal? Should stimulates be sold otc? Can I walk into my local walmart and buy weed?)
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January 27, 2018, 01:47:39 AM
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Not at all to be exact there are only three kinds of drugs the legal, illegal and at the in-between of the two. Well, if legalization of drugs would be finalized then we can see rampant buying of selling to it even though not in the counter. You say it is legal then people who has different perspective of interpreting it wouldn't just be in the counter. If drugs would be legal I think the only one isn't exempted is the illegal drugs and who said that it helps someone's life buy taking it? I support Marijuana cause I think that is the in-between drug and it's herbal drug to me.

We have peer reviewed evidence that proves that marijuana is a carcinogen. It's a drug that literally causes cancer. Cancer could definitely take someone's life.

At what point do you think drugs should legal? (should coke be legal? Should stimulates be sold otc? Can I walk into my local walmart and buy weed?)

It maybe causes cancer, but people should be free to smoke it if they want. If they are putting only their safety at risk, it shouldn't be anyone else's business.
Just like tobacco. Tobacco kills over 10 000 people every day, but it is those people's choices to smoke it. Around 10% of those are passive smokers though, that is a problem, but most passive smokers don't do much to get away from it.

Every drug should be legal, coke as well. In a walmart as well, if they wish to sell it. I only have a problem with people smoking in certain public places, as sometimes you are forced to inhale it, other than that, it is their choice and I have no right to tell adults what they can or can't do if they are the only ones that are affected.
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January 27, 2018, 02:57:15 AM
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I had to reply "yes" because I believe a lot of them need to be decriminalized.  Regulated, perhaps, but legislation is never going to solve the drug problem we have.  I think much of that is a huge mistake.

Love that California and some other states are making marijuana legal.  It's about time.
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January 27, 2018, 06:31:44 AM
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It has been proven by the World Health Organization that marijuana has no reported bad effects to the body. This is a fact, but only MARIJUANA. Remember that some drugs like Flakka and Ecstacy has been reported to have a serious psychological and biological effect that can harm not only the users but also the innocents.
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January 27, 2018, 08:33:33 AM
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Love that California and some other states are making marijuana legal.  It's about time.
Soon you can sell it in your pharmacy  Cheesy

I had to reply "yes" because I believe a lot of them need to be decriminalized.  Regulated, perhaps, but legislation is never going to solve the drug problem we have.  I think much of that is a huge mistake.
'A lot' is the key word here, IMO all drugs should not be legalized, many synthetic drugs pose only dangers and are used solely for recreational purposes those drugs shouldn't be legalized. On the other hand it is about time for marijuana and other natural drugs to be legalized.
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January 27, 2018, 08:50:57 AM
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

I think this was the issue before those world wars?. Drugs are made legal to everyone of age but most have abused it especially for soldiers. As of now, only physicians are allowed to give medicines but during early 20th century, i think money alone can give you the right to buy any drugs you need and i find it odd to go back to those times and legalize drugs for 18 years of age. Because 18 year olds are still in school and most of those age would just want to experiment on it.
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January 27, 2018, 03:18:29 PM
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Very dangerous drugs should not be legalized.
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January 27, 2018, 06:24:47 PM
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Most drugs are legal, but restricted only for medical usage with lots of regulation Roll Eyes
The real problem is drugs usage outside medical usage which could lead to addiction and other major problem, but even without drugs, many people already addicted to something else such as alcohol, sex, pornography, video games and others Cheesy
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January 27, 2018, 06:50:41 PM
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Drugs - legal, prescription or illegal are being used to serve the depopulation agenda. They reduce fertility and longevity. They also harm the immune system to make people more vulnerable to pandemics like the current 'flu viruses.

Step back and wonder why the country that spends the most on "health care" ( the US ), is the most unhealthy of all the developed nations.
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