Merit broke my life

[TMAN]

your post is very important for me... or you bought merits from me...?

Is this an attempt at smearing my reputation? If so, you should know that I don't react kindly to those.

you do not react, but your superiors should do an investigation, is not it so? how do you differ from me?

Before this escalates and Lauda rips you a new one and you end up painted red by 10 people.. ask yourself why Lauda would need to buy merits??

You can see how many they have been given and you can see the most generous merit givers..

This is either a poor joke or a stupid move that will backfire

[soniclord]

You do realise that people can ask for payments in order to send other users merits

That must be beyond faux pas:  It must result in an instant automatic permaban.

It can’t always be caught; but it should be made risky enough that no craven blackguard with a high-value account would find it economical.

It will happen and a lot more than what you think  Merit system is bad for the forum and its somethign I would never ever use again

I don’t know you; but a reasonable person might ask if your opinion of what is “bad for the forum” might be coloured by your being a Jr. Member with zero merit, as you are at present.

Edit—P.S., to be clear about my own biases or lack thereof, all my current merit was earned by me; none came from any prior status.  I ranked up to Member at the the activity rollover yesterday, 30 January.  This may be easily verified by anybody who examines my post history and calculates the activity periods.

I used to run forums although not for crypto and I can tell you a lot of the users post for their own interests not the forum interests. As you can see just from the posts allready users are getting stung by the merit system. At the end of the day its up to the owner/s of the forum how they run but from my experience merit causes nothing but problems on forums.

so why not do something like a vote - to ban a person or spare? This is both democracy and decentralization

[gilangIDR]

Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, comrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

In fact merit will provide a renewal and also an improvement aimed at making this forum much better. Indeed you feel it, but I think it is the beginning and when it lasts some time we will feel the real benefits. Complaining is a natural thing, but we must have a vision ahead and we will get results in the future. Believe me and keep trying to contribute to this forum.

[nullius]

[snip fine words]

how arrogant you are with all communicate. status allows?
as I wrote earlier - even a novice can know more than either of us

“Status allows”?  Just who do you suggest will stop me?  I play by the forum rules, which are fair and reasonable.  I don’t need any of your “status” to say whatever I damn well please.

(Also, by definition, an actual novice does not know anything substantial at all.)

I am amazed you people - a group of users decides the fate of people of a lower level.

I myself have an account created in March 2017.  It was inactive until December.  I only ranked up from Jr. Member to Member just yesterday.  By contrast, you have a rank of “Legendary”.

Well, so much for you questioning about my “status”.  So which is it?  Are you concerned about being squashed from above by somebody who was a Jr. Member yesterday, or are you trying to pull rank on me by questioning of “status allows” me to say what I do?

your post is very important for me... or you bought merits from me...?

Is this an attempt at smearing my reputation? If so, you should know that I don't react kindly to those.

It looks more like childish acting-out.  A temper tantrum fit for a toddler (who likes to yank the tails of tigers).

At least you got the 50 merits I said you deserved.  I will laugh about that, myself.

(More posts as I was typing...)

your post is very important for me... or you bought merits from me...?

Is this an attempt at smearing my reputation? If so, you should know that I don't react kindly to those.

you do not react, but your superiors should do an investigation, is not it so? how do you differ from me?

...on second thought, I take back what I just said.

your post is very important for me... or you bought merits from me...?

Is this an attempt at smearing my reputation? If so, you should know that I don't react kindly to those.

you do not react, but your superiors should do an investigation, is not it so? how do you differ from me?

Before this escalates and Lauda rips you a new one and you end up painted red by 10 people.. [...]

That sounds like a better idea.  My mistake.

[soniclord]

your post is very important for me... or you bought merits from me...?

Is this an attempt at smearing my reputation? If so, you should know that I don't react kindly to those.

you do not react, but your superiors should do an investigation, is not it so? how do you differ from me?

Before this escalates and Lauda rips you a new one and you end up painted red by 10 people.. ask yourself why Lauda would need to buy merits??

You can see how many they have been given and you can see the most generous merit givers..

This is either a poor joke or a stupid move that will backfire

but now look at her track record of the people whom she painted over - do all deserve this fate? I do not think

[MoonJeina]

Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, comrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

You gave 50 to a single post that didn't deserve more than 1.. what did you expect to happen?

I did not know that such consequences are possible for this. So I had 1000 merits so I tested all the possibilities

So , i just went through your profile to see are you really that innocent or not ?
Well , I got my answer . I went upto 10th page and didn'nt see a single good post that would actually help the forum to have some quality . You are just a self acclaimed "legendery member " who have just got that posotion due to the time and some shit posts you gave to the forum . I really don't see a reason to argue here .
You "apparently" give 50 merits for testing ? I haven't got any .. can u spear some . lol .  
For  consideration , you could also have given 50 merits to one of your own accounts . This is obvious that some eyebrows will be raised and you will be getting negative trust for this practice .
I really think that giving one merit is " more than enough" for mere "testing" purpose .
If you are still not clear about how this sysytem works .. you can have a clear reference and idea from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0  and
 https://imgur.com/Ig2u5Un  .

[soniclord]

Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, comrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

You gave 50 to a single post that didn't deserve more than 1.. what did you expect to happen?

I did not know that such consequences are possible for this. So I had 1000 merits so I tested all the possibilities

So , i just went through your profile to see are you really that innocent or not ?
Well , I got my answer . I went upto 10th page and didn'nt see a single good post that would actually help the forum to have some quality . You are just a self acclaimed "legendery member " who have just got that posotion due to the time and some shit posts you gave to the forum . I really don't see a reason to argue here .
You "apparently" give 50 merits for testing ? I haven't got any .. can u spear some . lol .  
For  consideration , you could also have given 50 merits to one of your own accounts . This is obvious that some eyebrows will be raised and you will be getting negative trust for this practice .
I really think that giving one merit is " more than enough" for mere "testing" purpose .
If you are still not clear about how this sysytem works .. you can have a clear reference and idea from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0  and
 https://imgur.com/Ig2u5Un  .

you look earlier. at least take the topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1856067.0 a lot of people got the chance to enter the altcoyins on time and for free (20)
after that I was a bounty-manager in several campaigns, but after all, the ill luck - then there was no hockey

[nullius]

So , i just went through your profile to see are you really that innocent or not ?
Well , I got my answer . I went upto 10th page and didn'nt see a single good post that would actually help the forum to have some quality . You are just a self acclaimed "legendery member " who have just got that posotion due to the time and some shit posts you gave to the forum . I really don't see a reason to argue here .

You just described in a nutshell why we need the merit system.  Do you think that soniclord would ever have attained “Legendary” status with a merits requirement?

(By the way, kudos for trawling his post history.  I didn’t bother after I caught him in repeated lies, because I hate liars on principle.  Proofs are above in this thread.)

[soniclord]

you can argue for a long time, but everyone understands that the technology is still new and I do not understand why I need to hack those who did not understand it right away

[soniclord]

So , i just went through your profile to see are you really that innocent or not ?
Well , I got my answer . I went upto 10th page and didn'nt see a single good post that would actually help the forum to have some quality . You are just a self acclaimed "legendery member " who have just got that posotion due to the time and some shit posts you gave to the forum . I really don't see a reason to argue here .

You just described in a nutshell why we need the merit system.  Do you think that soniclord would ever have attained “Legendary” status with a merits requirement?

(By the way, kudos for trawling his post history.  I didn’t bother after I caught him in repeated lies, because I hate liars on principle.  Proofs are above in this thread.)

I did not lie and do not lie, your evidence has no basis, do not mislead people!

[AgatioX]

you can argue for a long time, but everyone understands that the technology is still new and I do not understand why I need to hack those who did not understand it right away

Look at me pls)

I was expecting to become Senior Member in a fewh days.
And I always been posting only good quality posts.

And what now?Activity ticked and im still Full Member.They implemented this Merit just in time dammit.Fewh days before my promotion.

I wana tell you that NOONE will give anything here to anyone.I doubt that people will care to spend their sMerit for free or something like that.

For me its a disaster :/

[nullius]

(By the way, kudos for trawling his post history.  I didn’t bother after I caught him in repeated lies, because I hate liars on principle.  Proofs are above in this thread.)

I did not lie and do not lie, your evidence has no basis, do not mislead people!

For one example, and mainly for the benefit of people who jump to the end of the thread:  I showed above that you (futilely) to retaliate against actmyname with negative trust between 9 hours and 35 hours after he (actually) bled your trust.  You said it was “over three days”.  Proofs are above.

Edit to add:  It should go without repeated mention, only an abject moron would buy your crock of a story about throwing 50 merits to a random user in an airdrop thread as a “test”.  Yes, and I have a bridge to sell.

[tomleung1996]

Feel sorry for you, in my opinion, this forum is totally a toy of admins, they can do whatever they want

[nullius]

Feel sorry for you, in my opinion, this forum is totally a toy of admins, they can do whatever they want

Do I look like an admin to you?  You do look like an idiot to me.

(I was proud to rank up from Jr. Member just yesterday.  The forum is totally my toy!)

[soniclord]

(By the way, kudos for trawling his post history.  I didn’t bother after I caught him in repeated lies, because I hate liars on principle.  Proofs are above in this thread.)

I did not lie and do not lie, your evidence has no basis, do not mislead people!

For one example, and mainly for the benefit of people who jump to the end of the thread:  I showed above that you (futilely) to retaliate against actmyname with negative trust between 9 hours and 35 hours after he (actually) bled your trust.  You said it was “over three days”.  Proofs are above.

Edit to add:  It should go without repeated mention, only an abject moron would buy your crock of a story about throwing 50 merits to a random user in an airdrop thread as a “test”.  Yes, and I have a bridge to sell.

you wrong! first message about my red trust i send from forum via PM to actmyname:

[soniclord]

Feel sorry for you, in my opinion, this forum is totally a toy of admins, they can do whatever they want

Do I look like an admin to you?  You do look like an idiot to me.

(I was proud to rank up from Jr. Member just yesterday.  The forum is totally my toy!)

You look idiotic now. not knowing all the circumstances, you can not make your assumptions, if you did not know

[nullius]

(By the way, kudos for trawling his post history.  I didn’t bother after I caught him in repeated lies, because I hate liars on principle.  Proofs are above in this thread.)

I did not lie and do not lie, your evidence has no basis, do not mislead people!

For one example, and mainly for the benefit of people who jump to the end of the thread:  I showed above that you (futilely) to retaliate against actmyname with negative trust between 9 hours and 35 hours after he (actually) bled your trust.  You said it was “over three days”.  Proofs are above.

Edit to add:  It should go without repeated mention, only an abject moron would buy your crock of a story about throwing 50 merits to a random user in an airdrop thread as a “test”.  Yes, and I have a bridge to sell.

you wrong! first message about my red trust i send from forum via PM to actmyname:

So, wow, let me get this straight—taking here what you post at face value:

• You attempted to retaliate with negative trust against actmyname three days before contacting him.
• You PMed actmyname at “12:08:51 PM”.  According to your forum profile page, you appear to be in time zone +10:00; thus, this time works out to 02:08:51 UTC.
• You then posted this thread complaining that actmyname “ignores” you at 05:08:33 UTC—just under three hours after you PMed him.

N.b. that according to actmyname’s profile, he appears to be in the -05:00 time zone.  Therefore, you PMed him at 21:08:51 in his time zone; and you absolutely, positively expected his response by just after midnight (!).

Again, this was three days after you attempted retaliatory action against him.

Did I get that right, now?  I am asking nicely.  Please advise if I be mistaken about anything.

(Protip for the peanut gallery:  Shake a guy like this enough, and he will usually cough up something interesting!)

[athanz88]

For OP, I am sorry to read this thread, negative trust indeed is a game changer if you got one, well you can say it broke your life.
But if you re a legendary member, i think you already know that this forum always update the rules if anything new to be implemented. And i guess it is a usual/normal things to search about something new before you try or do something with it.Because you give 50 merit points to someone random (your point of view) and the post is not good too, you can be accused of things, such as :
1. Selling merit points.
2. Sending merit points to your alts.
3. Etc
There are much to do to prove that you re not guilty beside only making a thread about it. And i guess it will be hard to prove that you re not guilty because the lack of evidences. If you have enough evidences, maybe you can talk to the one who gives you red trust.

And for many times, i already say this so many times since merit points implemented because people keep telling that this forum should be decentralized because it is about cryptocurrency and bitcoin.

No ! This is a forum, a space rented/made by someone and that person gives us that space to make community. It is owned by that person who created it and hosted it. He/She can make anything to this forum because it is his/her. We do not pay for their expense to make this forum to be happen, and we dont own this forum. It is a business that is created by someone and we cant say this is our forum and He/She does not need to hear us out about some decision he/she made. It is just happen that this forum main topic is cryptocurrency.

[soniclord]

N.b. that according to actmyname’s profile, he appears to be in the -05:00 time zone.  Therefore, you PMed him at 21:08:51 in his time zone; and you absolutely, positively expected his response by just after midnight (!).

Again, this was three days after you attempted retaliatory action against him.

Did I get that right, now?  I am asking nicely.  Please advise if I be mistaken about anything.

(Protip for the peanut gallery:  Shake a guy like this enough, and he will usually cough up something interesting!)

not everyone sleeps at night, people that are connected with administration or with programming usually prefer to work at night. Even if it came at night, no one bans to answer even after a few days - am I wrong? What is our date today? Oh, 31 already in the yard.
and another question personally to you, dear nullius - why do you answer questions asked by other people?

[Cryptoshops]

You do realise that people can ask for payments in order to send other users merits

That must be beyond faux pas:  It must result in an instant automatic permaban.

It can’t always be caught; but it should be made risky enough that no craven blackguard with a high-value account would find it economical.

It will happen and a lot more than what you think  Merit system is bad for the forum and its somethign I would never ever use again

I don’t know you; but a reasonable person might ask if your opinion of what is “bad for the forum” might be coloured by your being a Jr. Member with zero merit, as you are at present.

Edit—P.S., to be clear about my own biases or lack thereof, all my current merit was earned by me; none came from any prior status.  I ranked up to Member at the the activity rollover yesterday, 30 January.  This may be easily verified by anybody who examines my post history and calculates the activity periods.

I used to run forums although not for crypto and I can tell you a lot of the users post for their own interests not the forum interests. As you can see just from the posts allready users are getting stung by the merit system. At the end of the day its up to the owner/s of the forum how they run but from my experience merit causes nothing but problems on forums.

so why not do something like a vote - to ban a person or spare? This is both democracy and decentralization

I think voting to ban or spare is also not a good idea because if the person is innocent and some people dont like him/her the vote could go the wrong way and also if the person is in the wrong but very well liked then the person could get away with it. For me when iv used merit systems on my own forums in the past it just caused a whole lot of problems for the users of the forum.