Merit "trading" - buying and selling Bitcointalk merit

[intoy_victor]

can you discuss to me what is merit all about? thankyou

Merit is the point given to you if your post become useful and constructive. Merit is used to minimize the nonsense topics on this forum. This also applicable on ranking. You need 10 merits and 60 activity to become a member. The sMerit is the points that you can give to others, when you have been merited each merit will have 0.5 sMerit.

[Robin_Good]

Very interesting to see the reactions to the newly introduced concept of merit as an additional indicator of account maturity and quality beyond just pure number of posts / activity. While this was introduced to increase post quality it has of course created a counter movement and a market place for "trading" merit - for money.
So this is just a reminder for everyone that the introduction of merit is a GOOD thing because it will help improve the quality of this forum for everybody.

"Trading" merit will undermine this and render it eventually useless.

Keep contributing!

I agree that it is good innovation that allows to make forum better and assess users experience on more important indicators

[wewe123]

Very interesting to see the reactions to the newly introduced concept of merit as an additional indicator of account maturity and quality beyond just pure number of posts / activity. While this was introduced to increase post quality it has of course created a counter movement and a market place for "trading" merit - for money.
So this is just a reminder for everyone that the introduction of merit is a GOOD thing because it will help improve the quality of this forum for everybody.

"Trading" merit will undermine this and render it eventually useless.

Keep contributing!

I agree that it is good innovation that allows to make forum better and assess users experience on more important indicators

Just try to improve your posts every now and then ,as you make this constructive post more and more meaningful and useful to the forum ,then there will time that you might get some merit of your posts, I know the administrator of this forum would look into the newcomer to this organization that are trying to learn and make good outcomes of what the admin wants to comply for each member for the good of bitcoins.

[davida]

I am of the believe that this Merit system shall in less than no time brings more and more sanity to the forum.[ The more, the meria ], and candidly, merit farmers, spam posters and even the so called "merit traders" shall continue and soon be fetched, bringing and resolving them into non existence at the long run or reduce them to bearest minimum. I can only suggest that every member just need to be free minded during their contribution in the forum, be cautious of abusive words, put up comprehended , compatible and constructive postings, naturally the merit shall come to their Account. The moderators at the same time should equally carry everybody along, not concentrating on our super heroes alone, though they merited it.

[Ms Emi]

I think giving merit to someone is not that bad, it's up the giver also if he or she just like the post and they can give Merit point how much they want, but some people misunderstood the process, some people ask 'why I haven't received any merit yet, I have posted usefully thread compared to the shit post created by this user? And he was given 5merit for it?

The point also is if someone like your post whether it's a so-so post, if the reader find it amusing and interesting  based on his or her taste then they can give Merit if they want to since they have point to give!!!!! But if didn't send anything Then move on!!!!!!!!!!!

[akram143]

I think giving merit to someone is not that bad, it's up the giver also if he or she just like the post and they can give Merit point how much they want, but some people misunderstood the process, some people ask 'why I haven't received any merit yet, I have posted usefully thread compared to the shit post created by this user? And he was given 5merit for it?

The point also is if someone like your post whether it's a so-so post, if the reader find it amusing and interesting  based on his or her taste then they can give Merit if they want to since they have point to give!!!!! But if didn't send anything Then move on!!!!!!!!!!!

Trading merit is not a good thing for a normal users to grow up in their ranks. Merit point are only given for a good and a quality post it is the goal to change spam user's .

[sabakamedvet]

I see the ponit of adding such a feature but at the same time it is not a risk that people will "hodl" their merit and dont give any away? Would it maybe be an idea to implement a system where giving away merit would benefit the person giving it away? For example person A gives person B merit (Person B newb), person B keeps on posting and stay active for lets say 6 months. The merit is returned with some multiplyer, if that person stayed active and did not get some kind of warnings? I dunnu I kinda like the system but at the same time, it feels hard to obtain these merits for new members.

[atrocityx]

As a new person I like the new system.. it kind of sucks that it will be such an uphill battle getting full member, but I guess when I finally make it, it will mean a lot more then being paired with 1000s of farmed accounts.

[1BTC EQUALS 1CAR]

As a new person I like the new system.. it kind of sucks that it will be such an uphill battle getting full member, but I guess when I finally make it, it will mean a lot more then being paired with 1000s of farmed accounts.

I only like it because there are so many shitposters and account farmers but it also remove our assurance of getting a higher rank. It's a lotto now because members usually read the first post which from the person who made the thread so he only has the higher chance of receiving smerit.

[Oilacris]

As a new person I like the new system.. it kind of sucks that it will be such an uphill battle getting full member, but I guess when I finally make it, it will mean a lot more then being paired with 1000s of farmed accounts.

I only like it because there are so many shitposters and account farmers but it also remove our assurance of getting a higher rank. It's a lotto now because members usually read the first post which from the person who made the thread so he only has the higher chance of receiving smerit.

Sad to say but the thing you said here is really happening on reality where on low rank members you will really feel on having no assurance on getting higher rank since merit requirement is pretty high to achieve on a short period of time this is why you should really do the best as you can to attain it and talking about chances on getting merit im somehow agree that most OP do already get the higher chance on getting it ,in short theres no other choice but to make a valuable topic on your own which you saw its worth to be given by some merits by the community.

[atrocityx]

Merit was made to determine one's post quality.
If someone buys and sells merit it means that he abuses the system.
I can guess that Merit trading is forbidden and those who try to trade Merit will probably get their thread to be deleted.

Merit also very helpful as it gives users the option to thank other users for their posts.
An ability that wasn't available before.

Like with many other things invented with good reasons this one will be a subject of many speculations and manipulations. In my opinion many of us are giving the best we can, who is that judge to say that we have enough quality to get merit? Until now I didn't give and I didn't get any merits, I don't have enough merits to reward many great comments, and in same time I think many of my comments pass unnoticed here, who will reward me? My English is far from perfect, I'm trying to elaborate my thoughts in the best possible way, but does that means anything to anyone?
People will trade with merits, here or somewhere else, doesn't matter. When everyone is allowed to be a judge of comment quality I doubt in fair system.

I guess the question boils down to which is being abused and manipulated more.. I signed up in October but didn't participate until recently because the system was being so abused with annoying spam and shitposts.. it kind of hurts me now but I can certainly understand systems will have to hurt a few good to block out most of the bad.. As far as trading merits or selling them, I can see that just being an ongoing problem.. the amount of merits needed to rank up could equal 1000s of posts just to become a member... I'm trying to ignore the noise however and just keep doing as I do, and like many suggested, it will come to me eventually.

[berrymenalo]

Very interesting to see the reactions to the newly introduced concept of merit as an additional indicator of account maturity and quality beyond just pure number of posts / activity. While this was introduced to increase post quality it has of course created a counter movement and a market place for "trading" merit - for money.
So this is just a reminder for everyone that the introduction of merit is a GOOD thing because it will help improve the quality of this forum for everybody.

"Trading" merit will undermine this and render it eventually useless.

Keep contributing!

I agree that merit is a good thing, due to reduction of low quality posts. And trading isn't an issue, because everything is checked and controlled by forum moderators (hopefully) and they'll cut off such actions. But there are some other problems: people give merits quite seldom, if we compare to "likes" on fb, and it would be great if people truly gave merits for what they like. But the thing is - lost of people barely even read others posts, or even if they do they don't feel like meriting someone due to rivalry. But I like the conception and I hope that it will go off well.

It is kind of an interesting phenomenon that merit is given out so seldom (at least from what I can tell, but maybe my posts just suck )

I think the reason for this is twofold: (1) many of the people with lots of merit are merit rich and don't necessarily think about rewarding higher quality posts by noobies (this probably stems from the newness of the system and will decrease in time); and, (2) as stated before, lots of people simply don't read other people's posts and so lots of gold gets missed on pages 2-155 (assuming a 156 page thread).

[atrocityx]

Very interesting to see the reactions to the newly introduced concept of merit as an additional indicator of account maturity and quality beyond just pure number of posts / activity. While this was introduced to increase post quality it has of course created a counter movement and a market place for "trading" merit - for money.
So this is just a reminder for everyone that the introduction of merit is a GOOD thing because it will help improve the quality of this forum for everybody.

"Trading" merit will undermine this and render it eventually useless.

Keep contributing!

I agree that merit is a good thing, due to reduction of low quality posts. And trading isn't an issue, because everything is checked and controlled by forum moderators (hopefully) and they'll cut off such actions. But there are some other problems: people give merits quite seldom, if we compare to "likes" on fb, and it would be great if people truly gave merits for what they like. But the thing is - lost of people barely even read others posts, or even if they do they don't feel like meriting someone due to rivalry. But I like the conception and I hope that it will go off well.

It is kind of an interesting phenomenon that merit is given out so seldom (at least from what I can tell, but maybe my posts just suck )

I think the reason for this is twofold: (1) many of the people with lots of merit are merit rich and don't necessarily think about rewarding higher quality posts by noobies (this probably stems from the newness of the system and will decrease in time); and, (2) as stated before, lots of people simply don't read other people's posts and so lots of gold gets missed on pages 2-155 (assuming a 156 page thread).

I kind of agree but maybe its just that if you are interested and dedicated to getting the ranks then you will do the research required to "game the system" enough in your favor to achieve your goals, is indeed the desired intent.. it requires people with a lot of patience that won't be easily distracted by the rules not giving you a fair break.. it requires a lot of reading and analyzing the forums to figure out where and when you are most likely to rank up, who to help and where the most activity is coming from and from which type of user.. and requires you to engage to the best of your abilities, quote who you are talking to and trains you for long term forum quality posting and success.. its almost like beating the system IS the goal.. which even if someone disagrees with... can't ignore the facts that this type of system mandates you learn.   

[Taki]

I didn't saw yet any suggestions about merit's trading. Maybe I just didn't search good for that and such announcements really exist. As I know any activity of such kind or just begging for merits can lead to a negative trust of the user. The only thing I see is that merit has given uncontrolled, by the main idea only quality posts should get it, but as i see everything depends from those who give merit, that user chose himeself to whom to give it and there are many cases when a weak post got merit or some.

[PX-Z]

Very interesting to see the reactions to the newly introduced concept of merit as an additional indicator of account maturity and quality beyond just pure number of posts / activity. While this was introduced to increase post quality it has of course created a counter movement and a market place for "trading" merit - for money.
So this is just a reminder for everyone that the introduction of merit is a GOOD thing because it will help improve the quality of this forum for everybody.

"Trading" merit will undermine this and render it eventually useless.

Keep contributing!

This new merit system is really a good idea and encouraging concepts for everyone specially for those newbies to make a constructive and good quality post to be able to earn some merit. But on the other hand, the smerit trading has been made because of those members that are very selfish of their smerit to share even in a constructive and helpful post. That's why some members are forced to buy smerit even it's prohibited, just to earn some of it to be able to level up of their rank.

[Castlereagh]

Hi all - bit perplexed by the new system... but I'm trying to get my head around it. Spent weeks looking forward to FINALLY achieving member status (having done my best to date to be a useful and constructive contributor), only to be hit by this curve ball. Took it on the chin, and decided to give it my best shot to post some merit-worthy guides. Being a relative newbie to the whole crypto game, I thought I can only - in good faith - aim to pass on something useful to other newbies, so I put together something I hoped would be useful in the 'beginners and help' section:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2946967.msg30269101#msg30269101

No dice! Obviously, if new users post in the 'beginners' section, they will only be helping Newbies and Jr Members ... and they don't have any merit to give! Bit of a catch 22 there.

I then thought, "is there any technical know-how I might have that other people might not?" - certainly not in crypto, but I can use Excel so I made this post too:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2948564.msg30295695#msg30295695

Again, not a hope - I guess it's too niche. So it's hard finding a balance between constructive posts for newbies (they can't give merit) and posting niche stuff that NOBODY's interested in. I mean, ideally I'd be able to write something salient about crypto... but, as someone who's not been in the game all that long, I feel like I can't honestly hope to do that when there are so many more knowledgeable people here - and without repeating something already posted elsewhere.

Guess it's a long term game... but I have to admit I'm a bit stumped.

[goodvibes05]

Very interesting to see the reactions to the newly introduced concept of merit as an additional indicator of account maturity and quality beyond just pure number of posts / activity. While this was introduced to increase post quality it has of course created a counter movement and a market place for "trading" merit - for money.
So this is just a reminder for everyone that the introduction of merit is a GOOD thing because it will help improve the quality of this forum for everybody.

"Trading" merit will undermine this and render it eventually useless.

Keep contributing!

I agree that merit is a good thing, due to reduction of low quality posts. And trading isn't an issue, because everything is checked and controlled by forum moderators (hopefully) and they'll cut off such actions. But there are some other problems: people give merits quite seldom, if we compare to "likes" on fb, and it would be great if people truly gave merits for what they like. But the thing is - lost of people barely even read others posts, or even if they do they don't feel like meriting someone due to rivalry. But I like the conception and I hope that it will go off well.

I agree with you, people here in the forum don't waste their time reading posts of other people. It seems that they have lack of interest reading posts just to giveaway merit. I guess this new rule is relatively good for the forum because it lessens spam posts and it pushes posters to  contribute more quality posts, but it makes more difficult especially for newbies to rank up.

[Crypto_lion]

I am of the believe that this Merit system shall in less than no time brings more and more sanity to the forum.[ The more, the meria ], and candidly, merit farmers, spam posters and even the so called "merit traders" shall continue and soon be fetched, bringing and resolving them into non existence at the long run or reduce them to bearest minimum. I can only suggest that every member just need to be free minded during their contribution in the forum, be cautious of abusive words, put up comprehended , compatible and constructive postings, naturally the merit shall come to their Account. The moderators at the same time should equally carry everybody along, not concentrating on our super heroes alone, though they merited it.

I completely agree with you.Nkw that the Bitcoin talk forum is.more popular and it seems many are doing "account farming" .The only way to stop this is by doing these kind of.innovative things . Although sadly I never seem to get any merit and I am not.sure why

[shi07]

Buying and selling bitcoin merit is not a good idea the purpose of merit is to make quality and good constructive comments because some  of users are only posting because of the target post to be able to rankup and to receive payment from campaign.The merit shall be given to those who posted quality comments and topics.

[vintages]

We all hope that Theymos aim for creating the merit system; which is to bring sanity to the forum is achieved. Though alot of people dont like the system while some does. It will be impossible for anyone to sell a huge amount of merit without been noticed. Many peopIe here strive to get merits but I always tell people, do what you know how to do best; the merit will come on it own.