[PrimeDice] (Staff Only) Earn Bitcoins Simply By Posting

[u9y42]

It is something like a force majeure (deeds of God, oh, well, theymos), so Stunna is in his own right to change conditions as he sees them appropriate. This is not to say that I'm happy about these changes either...

I can understand that, but the biggest issue here is the way it is done and the way the split is done
0.0001 for smallsignature jr+ nr + full members (which represent the majority)
0.0003 for bigsignature = Sr + hero members (which represent a very small minority of the people using the service and promoting PrimeDice)

There are a couple of things that should be considered here to make the situation fair enough for both sides :

1- Either increase the lower limite to 0.0002 to match the previous payout or allow multiple signatures
2- Hero members should be payed more considering the size of the signature and how much it stands out, considering how low the vast majority is payed (in comparaison to the initial payouts)

PrimeDice needs the community and the community needs PrimeDice, some who doesn't have the hashrate to mine bit or altcoins uses such services to get some changes which they can use to buy/sell other cryptocurrencies for example or even use them in cryptopockers dices and whats not

Actually, allowing multiple signatures for those stuck with the smaller sizes, seems like a good idea.  

They are not small or that smaller. Actually, 12 pts vs 14 pts. And this is without taking into account the real signature size as seen on screen...

Well, regardless of the actual size, people are still going to be paid less on account of that difference. So, if you accept the pay cut, it would be nice to at least be able to use different sig deals.

EDIT: Are you sure it isn't visibly smaller though? It seems to me the new sig height is like half the previous allowed sizes.

[hilariousandco]

If Stunna like I am giving him this proposal hope he like and think about this


701-1300:           0.1 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 60)

1301-2000:          0.2 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 120)

2000-2500:         0.3 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 240)

2501+ posts:       0.4 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 480)

Are you saying you have to do these posts per month as well as have the activity?

Not quite correct
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198934.460

This model was designed to take spamming into account
You can have many posts accumulating over time but you will still receive a lower tier reward until your activity passes the minimum for the next level of payouts.

For example you have made 2500 posts but have less than 120 activity you get the lower tier of payments for the members in the 1301-2000 range until your activity reaches the threshold.
If you had 1301-2000 posts but 75 activity then you receive the payments of the 700-1300 range.

The post total acts as minimum ranges and maximum ranges for forum growth

It's designed to be organic and include the past posting history in revenue calculations

It means that if you spam a whole lot you won't be able to move up the Tiers in activity but you will still receive some income based on your activity.

The inverse is that if you have 480 activity but lets say only have 1000 posts accumulated then your tier is 0.1 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 60) encouraging you to contribute more posts to the community to reach the next revenue tier while still being informative.

This keeps users posting to reach the minimum cap as activity increases while controlling the amount of posts you make to a certain range.

Of course this model was designed so that new posts would not have to be made except for one to confirm registration a month after the tiers are reached because your total amount of posts are where the advertising kicks in.

Unlike other offerings, we pay you for ALL your posts, including the ones you've made before (once). You can get paid up to 0.4 BTC even if you make zero posts in a month. Read further and you'll never go back.

A few modifications or an adoption of this model could work with primedice to keep a steady stream of new posts while rewarding users an incentive for keeping active and contributing to the community.

Example part activity accumulation and part post based with maybe an element for signature size factored in.

The original looks like this you can see that new members need to make 401 posts before their activity reaches 30 to face restrictions so it keeps posts in a reasonable range

100-200: 0.02 or 0.04 BTC / 30 days
201-400: 0.04 or 0.08 BTC / 30 days
401-700: 0.06 or 0.12 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 30)
701-1100: 0.09 or 0.18 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 60)
1101-1800: 0.12 or 0.24 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 90)
1801-2500: 0.16 or 0.32 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 120)
2501+ posts: 0.2 or 0.4 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 150)

Payout Rates
All coins are paid at the end of each advertising period. You'll need to reply to the thread again after receiving payouts to get next month's payouts. Some payout tiers also have activity requirements.

I don't see how this would be beneficial to Stunna. All people will do is sign up and not bother posting.

[freedomno1]

I don't see how this would be beneficial to Stunna. All people will do is sign up and not bother posting.

It's a system that can be modified from the original and has a large amount of versatility and options
A limit on how many posts you make while still being productive
A range that is reasonable for normal users to reach when taking current activity into account
And a natural growth projection for the average user
The only works once on previous posts clause means that you can't just stop posting it just reduces the emphasis for garbage posts being included as part of the revenue stream, and the payout is lower at those lower tiers giving users incentive to post more to reach the next tier when their activity increases.
With activity increasing around 28 a month 400 posts in the first month is by no stretch unreasonable as a starting tier
Increasing in intervals of 30 means it would take five months to reach the highest tier at 150 activity and still give users the incentive to post to reach the 2500+ posts  checkpoint which is the top of the payout range.

Stunna would benefit by addressing the spam, users would benefit by being able to grow at a stable rate, and spammers would lose part of the incentive to put up garbage posts that are causing this issue.

Either way it can be tinkered but it does make a good case for an activity based model.

[Kiki112]

Stunna, don't you think you could pay out 0.0002 for Full Members because of the color?

I agree on this!

me too!

I posted the whole month, I did a really big effort to post because I calculated 0.0003btc per post then they got the signatures smaller, now I got 1/3 of what I thought and I wasted a lot of my time, it probably wouldn't be wasted if it was at least 0.0002btc per post 

[nahtnam]

Stunna, don't you think you could pay out 0.0002 for Full Members because of the color?

I agree on this!

me too!

I posted the whole month, I did a really big effort to post because I calculated 0.0003btc per post then they got the signatures smaller, now I got 1/3 of what I thought and I wasted a lot of my time, it probably wouldn't be wasted if it was at least 0.0002btc per post 

Full members do get 0.0002...

[Kiki112]

Stunna, don't you think you could pay out 0.0002 for Full Members because of the color?

I agree on this!

me too!

I posted the whole month, I did a really big effort to post because I calculated 0.0003btc per post then they got the signatures smaller, now I got 1/3 of what I thought and I wasted a lot of my time, it probably wouldn't be wasted if it was at least 0.0002btc per post  

Full members do get 0.0002...

how?

0.0003BTC Per constructive post If you have a full sized signature

0.0001BTC per constructive post with the small signature.

[nahtnam]

Stunna, don't you think you could pay out 0.0002 for Full Members because of the color?

I agree on this!

me too!

I posted the whole month, I did a really big effort to post because I calculated 0.0003btc per post then they got the signatures smaller, now I got 1/3 of what I thought and I wasted a lot of my time, it probably wouldn't be wasted if it was at least 0.0002btc per post  

Full members do get 0.0002...

how?

0.0003BTC Per constructive post If you have a full sized signature

0.0001BTC per constructive post with the small signature.

Oh, sorry. I must have confused someone elses post with his.

[undeadbitcoiner]

Stunna, don't you think you could pay out 0.0002 for Full Members because of the color?

I agree on this!

me too!

I posted the whole month, I did a really big effort to post because I calculated 0.0003btc per post then they got the signatures smaller, now I got 1/3 of what I thought and I wasted a lot of my time, it probably wouldn't be wasted if it was at least 0.0002btc per post 

This is the reason, thats why signature system is been changed. People here are posting spam posts for earning why we cant think that we are here to learn something and to share our Ideas with other members.
PrimeDice is paying for our signature that is extra BTC we are earning so why everyone is doing spam posts to make large amount of BTC, Please guys lets get something from signature, anyone think that if BTC will be $5K then what is that .0001 is in $? anyone think that if BTC will be $50K then what is that .0001 is in $? Lets make our post useful for forum not to earn some BTC.
Thank you and Good Luck everyone with me.

[hensi]

stunna, you can loose out many signatures by your decision of 0.0001/post with small signatures. you should increase this to 0.0002/post

[RGBKey]

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I don't see how this would be beneficial to Stunna. All people will do is sign up and not bother posting.

Not true. There is incentive because it's not too hard to get the activity requirements, if you're like me you almost have all of it. But it is hard to get to the higher post tiers. So you still post a lot. You're also forgetting that all of the past posts that you're being paid for also have your signature on them, and anyone that goes from a link to an older thread will still see that. The more posts you have the more influence you have over the forum.

[BawsyBoss]

Stunna, don't you think you could pay out 0.0002 for Full Members because of the color?

I agree on this!

me too!

I posted the whole month, I did a really big effort to post because I calculated 0.0003btc per post then they got the signatures smaller, now I got 1/3 of what I thought and I wasted a lot of my time, it probably wouldn't be wasted if it was at least 0.0002btc per post 

This is the reason, thats why signature system is been changed. People here are posting spam posts for earning why we cant think that we are here to learn something and to share our Ideas with other members.
PrimeDice is paying for our signature that is extra BTC we are earning so why everyone is doing spam posts to make large amount of BTC, Please guys lets get something from signature, anyone think that if BTC will be $5K then what is that .0001 is in $? anyone think that if BTC will be $50K then what is that .0001 is in $? Lets make our post useful for forum not to earn some BTC.
Thank you and Good Luck everyone with me.

I agree with you. Most people here are posting because they are getting paid for it. The ideal way, the way it should be, is that people post because they want to and as a side effect, they get paid for it. What you quoted is an example of this. While you can still post constructive posts because you are getting paid for it, people are not doing it with the intent of engaging in arguments or being involved in threads, as they would if money was not their cause.

[BlueMonkey]

stunna, you can loose out many signatures by your decision of 0.0001/post with small signatures. you should increase this to 0.0002/post

Yes, I think at least 0.0002/post for member because there are many member that already join Primedice since at the beginning of it signature ad for the loyalty. If 0.0001/post for below than member it still acceptable because they are new to this Primedice sign

[deisik]

EDIT: Are you sure it isn't visibly smaller though? It seems to me the new sig height is like half the previous allowed sizes.

It could be since before the new rules were applied, you could increase your signature as you saw fit, i.e. make it bigger than required. Now, the difference is about 15%. It is visible but not to the point of adding another sig below (i.e. adding to the current one and the line with you personal info) without making the whole area look clumsy...

[nahtnam]

Stunna, at this point I think your old model was good. Just add a few restrictions to each tier of activity. Like to get 0.3 you need to have 500 posts and 200 activity...

[deisik]

Stunna, don't you think you could pay out 0.0002 for Full Members because of the color?

I agree on this!

me too!

I posted the whole month, I did a really big effort to post because I calculated 0.0003btc per post then they got the signatures smaller, now I got 1/3 of what I thought and I wasted a lot of my time, it probably wouldn't be wasted if it was at least 0.0002btc per post 

As I got it (somebody confirm or refute this), you (and all of us) will be paid 0.0003 btc per post up to the day when the new rules became active (at least this seems logical). So, if what I say is true, you can just discontinue writing posts any further if you deem these new rates unfair...

[BitCoinDream]

Stunna, at this point I think your old model was good. Just add a few restrictions to each tier of activity. Like to get 0.3 you need to have 500 posts and 200 activity...

Why dont u ask for something where only u=138245 gets paid ? That would be best I guess !!!

[coinnewbit]

Stunna, at this point I think your old model was good. Just add a few restrictions to each tier of activity. Like to get 0.3 you need to have 500 posts and 200 activity...

Why dont u ask for something where only u=138245 gets paid ? That would be best I guess !!!

Whats u=138245?

[nahtnam]

Stunna, at this point I think your old model was good. Just add a few restrictions to each tier of activity. Like to get 0.3 you need to have 500 posts and 200 activity...

Why dont u ask for something where only u=138245 gets paid ? That would be best I guess !!!

Whats u=138245?

It's nahtnam's user number:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138245

I dont understand what you are saying... My suggestion was for 500 posts per month, you will get 0.3 BTC as long as you have over 200 activity. If you have less activity, but you make 500 posts, you just drop down the next lowest payment (assuming your activity is enough).

[hilariousandco]

I don't see how this would be beneficial to Stunna. All people will do is sign up and not bother posting.

It's a system that can be modified from the original and has a large amount of versatility and options
A limit on how many posts you make while still being productive
A range that is reasonable for normal users to reach when taking current activity into account
And a natural growth projection for the average user
The only works once on previous posts clause means that you can't just stop posting it just reduces the emphasis for garbage posts being included as part of the revenue stream, and the payout is lower at those lower tiers giving users incentive to post more to reach the next tier when their activity increases.
With activity increasing around 28 a month 400 posts in the first month is by no stretch unreasonable as a starting tier
Increasing in intervals of 30 means it would take five months to reach the highest tier at 150 activity and still give users the incentive to post to reach the 2500+ posts  checkpoint which is the top of the payout range.

Stunna would benefit by addressing the spam, users would benefit by being able to grow at a stable rate, and spammers would lose part of the incentive to put up garbage posts that are causing this issue.

Either way it can be tinkered but it does make a good case for an activity based model.

The only people who are probably pro this system are those who usually don't or would rather not make many posts. Hey, if Stunna wants to pay me 0.2 bitcoins for just signing up at the beginning of the term then I'm fine with that, but I'm thinking about how this is beneficial to Stunna. This is just beneficial to people who want easy free money for no work and the suggestions to me seem completely biased and unfair to the most who don't have a high level of activity.  

Stunna pays for posts because that's essentially one ad impression of his site being put out there and the exposure it gets to new users. Activity is irrelevant really aside from the size of the signature, but the size is irrelevant if you're not posting, so it's still essentially the volume of posts that count.

And we can all speculate and suggest payment on the prices paid but the ones suggested so far seem very biased without taking into consideration how this is worth it to Stunna. It's easy to suggest people over 120 activity should get 0.2 or 200 gets you 0.3 when you have over that amount and would rather just get paid for that than posting. At 0.3 it would've taken you 1,500 posts to do that before, which is a lot of work but was worth it to Stunna, but now you essentially get it for free and Stunna could potentially get nothing or most probably a handful of posts for his money. 

And wether Stunna pays per post or not is largely irrelevant as there are other deals that do. So unless paying by posts is actually banned people will just move onto another deal if this one isn't beneficial to them and any damage to the community on these deals by spammers will continue. The only other deals I've seen before paying like this system offer peanuts because that's all it's worth, not to mention they're usually exploited, so that's why I'm really intrigued and interested to see what Stunna actually offers because I don't think the numbers will be anywhere near what has been biasedly and wishfully suggested here so far. 

[freedomno1]

I don't see how this would be beneficial to Stunna. All people will do is sign up and not bother posting.

The only people who are probably pro this system are those who usually don't or would rather not make many posts. Hey, if Stunna wants to pay me 0.2 bitcoins for just signing up at the beginning of the term then I'm fine with that, but I'm thinking about how this is beneficial to Stunna. This is just beneficial to people who want easy free money for no work and the suggestions to me seem completely biased and unfair to the most who don't have a high level of activity.  

Stunna pays for posts because that's essentially one ad impression of his site being put out there and the exposure it gets to new users. Activity is irrelevant really aside from the size of the signature, but the size is irrelevant if you're not posting, so it's still essentially the volume of posts that count.

And we can all speculate and suggest payment on the prices paid but the ones suggested so far seem very biased without taking into consideration how this is worth it to Stunna. It's easy to suggest people over 120 activity should get 0.2 or 200 gets you 0.3 when you have over that amount and would rather just get paid for that than posting. At 0.3 it would've taken you 1,500 posts to do that before, which is a lot of work but was worth it to Stunna, but now you essentially get it for free and Stunna could potentially get nothing or most probably a handful of posts for his money.

And wether Stunna pays per post or not is largely irrelevant as there are other deals that do. So unless paying by posts is actually banned people will just move onto another deal if this one isn't beneficial to them and any damage to the community on these deals by spammers will continue. The only other deals I've seen before paying like this system offer peanuts because that's all it's worth, not to mention they're usually exploited, so that's why I'm really intrigued and interested to see what Stunna actually offers because I don't think the numbers will be anywhere near what has been biasedly and wishfully suggested here so far.

If 400 posts a month is not constituted as close to spamming then that's extending into the questionable range
Productive posting can be done at that level but its much more difficult to find those types of users who will post daily on a consistent basis
That's around 13 posts a day and seems like a fair level between advertising and spamming not those who usually don't or would rather not make many posts.

I would say that this system doesn't just account for present posting but also past posts if the idea of 1 post is equal to 1 ad is true then the same extension must be given to past posts someone with 1500-2000 past impressions aka posts certainly qualifies to be in their respective tier as long as their activity remains in the same range, since the chances someone will see old posts may be smaller but still exists because it is an accumulated presence over time.

If someone has 10000 posts its not the same if they were here 3 years and did it or if it was done in 5 months only 7 Users are at that level all of them are Hero not to pick on you but just as a point of reference, the average user won't pass 400 a month and even chartbuddy an automated chart script only posts around 720 times a month or around 24 posts a day one an hour.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;start=0

I wouldn't say that being unfair to activity is a bad thing it just means you were here long enough and produced productive discussion, the admins and the meta thread is all about trying to find that balance.

I see what you mean if you hit the top tier as it would reduce incentives to post, on the other hand if they were here that long their is reason to believe that they will still participate productively to the forum it is not a 0 sum game. It's easy enough to keep a minimum along with the activity based tier at any level its an easy modification to the system above. Min 50 posts payout ranges based on activity and 400 posts upper range a month. It does not need to be a fixed amount either but it could be a mixture based on both.

As for individual users they may move to other signature campaigns but  it is worth noting that the most successful signature campaign on the forum was coinlenders and inputs.io not Primedice which came after their wallets got hacked, and people needed to move to another service.
That said Tradefortresses program was a bit unique and no one else imitated that model possibly because of the concerns you mentioned, still with a bit of tinkering it likely would work pretty well.

It really just depends on how you manage it, since some people can be productive and post a lot there could be exceptions but typically most users won't fit into that category.

As for Size (Size Matters in this case  )
&_&
You guys and your dirty minds I know the demographics here XD
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100294.0