The Matrix vs Inception

[Keldel]

1. V for Vendetta (2005)
2. The Matrix (1999)

[FirstAscent]

I personally found V for Vendetta to be a 'deep' movie and also I could relate the society to our own.

Define deep without describing specifics to V.

You've never saw V for Vendetta?

I have the Blu-ray of V for Vendetta still in its shrink wrap from over a year ago. In the interim, I have chosen to watch other movies instead, which I'm pleased to say that I have now watched. Here's a brief clip from one such movie (directed by a director far more famous than the director of V for Vendetta). Said movie has likely given me far more pleasure than I might have derived from V for Vendetta. Here's the clip to that movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wI6LfigwYA

The clip you just watched was from a movie entitled Equinox Flower. You did watch the clip, did you not? I tell you what. I'll watch V for Vendetta if you watch another fine movie entitled Yi Yi. That's a film that has been critically acclaimed, and voted one of the greater films ever made. V for Vendetta was not voted as such. Here's the trailer for Yi Yi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F6tSorwYqw

I have to confess that I'm not a big Japanese cinema fan, I've watched a few from Takeshi Kitano, and others that I don't remember now.

That's irrelevant in this context. Kitano is contemporary, and as with all films, there are different genres. The fifties was an exceptionally fruitful period for Japanese cinema, and many of the films from that time and region are considered to be some of the most revered and acclaimed films of all time. As it turns out, the first clip I posted is from a director who has another film which placed number one on Sight & Sound poll's greatest films of all time, right above Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. Another film from him placed at around number fifteen.

More to the point, by building a familiarity with those films, a certain magical thing happens as you develop an affinity for them which results in a great deal of pleasure to be gained from watching them. Furthermore, they're rather heavy in their themes - they are not light and frivolous films.

I already had Yi Yi on my to watch list, but I can't make promises.

Watch that film now. It is a masterpiece. Seriously. And I'll watch V.

[Welsh]

I personally found V for Vendetta to be a 'deep' movie and also I could relate the society to our own.

Define deep without describing specifics to V.

You must watch a lot of movies. You seem to know about every movie out there and contribute to every thread about movies. Although Vedetta was a amazing movie. You really need to be awake & concentrate whilst watching.

[pedrog]

@FirstAscent

Yi Yi Running time: 173 minutes, maybe tomorrow...

Here's the first V's speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUpr5GvVsE

[FirstAscent]

I personally found V for Vendetta to be a 'deep' movie and also I could relate the society to our own.

Define deep without describing specifics to V.

You must watch a lot of movies. You seem to know about every movie out there and contribute to every thread about movies. Although Vedetta was a amazing movie. You really need to be awake & concentrate whilst watching.

If you're interested in movies which require being awake and concentrating, and payoff because you do concentrate, I can suggest some. Recently, I try to focus on critically acclaimed films, old and new, foreign or not. There's a difference in such films from Hollywood studio driven material. That's not to say I don't enjoy modern Hollywood cinema, only that I focus more of my time on what I call better cinema.

[FirstAscent]

@FirstAscent

Yi Yi Running time: 173 minutes, maybe tomorrow...

Here's the first V's speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUpr5GvVsE

I have seen that clip! It is fun. Regarding Yi Yi, yes, it is nearly three lovely hours long. And you better not watch it on a smartphone, or in the company of chatty friends. It is a film to be paid attention to, to let it seep into your soul one scene at a time, where upon you will find it is more than the sum its parts.

[jambola2]

The inception was created by the Machines to trick humans into wasting time and not finding out how to revolt
So The Matrix is deeper.

[interlagos]

I voted for "The Matrix", maybe because I watched it way earlier than "Inception" and I was easier to impress at the time.

Great thread overall with lots of great movies listed.
Here are a few deep ones from my list:

"Donnie Darko"
"Mr. Nobody"
"The Game" with Michael Douglas

Cheers.

[FirstAscent]

Ever notice there's that one reviewer on Amazon for some film, and he says something like this: "This film could really stand to be edited down, cutting about 30 minutes from its overly long presentation."

Note: I'm not saying anyone said that here. I'm just saying those guys are amateur film critics that need to learn a thing or five about film, typically. I think it's interesting that the more watched you become, with regard to cinema, the more you appreciate films which take their time, which linger, which are long.

Said idiots had best stay away from the films made by the likes of Yang, Kubrick, Ozu, Diaz, and so on. If you can't digest why a director may be letting the camera linger on an empty hallway, then please, just move on.

[FirstAscent]

And to add to the above, you should check out this video: https://vimeo.com/68514760

[Hfleer]

I voted for the Matrix.  Thought the movies were all right, not as great as the attention they garnered in their time though.

[AU]

"Enter the Void"

[n00ber]

I like the Inception more.