Trini8ed
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July 21, 2011, 02:39:13 AM |
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Biggest lesson in this thread;
If it's too good to be true, then it's too good to be true!
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ataranlen
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July 21, 2011, 06:10:07 AM |
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I realized he was a scammer the moment he was extremely reluctant to use Escrow of any kind, and would consider other offers first. I warned one person, swusc2, and he said that Leon would consider local pickup AFTER other offers as well.
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dinker
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July 21, 2011, 07:12:02 AM
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Possible other ID used by leon: same 6990 / 5830 scams in June. http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20533(Admin should be able to confirm by a simple IP check) |
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WiseOldOwl
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July 21, 2011, 07:20:06 AM |
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I have a idea for a service that would be a arbitration platform / public contract. Those of you with the escrow sites are encouraged to contact me so we can discuss how to bring it to light. It should be pretty easy, and would offer at least some rock solid evidence that in a sense could protect currency sellers by giving companies (like paypal) some real evidence, or escrow sites some evidence to go off of for arbitration.
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Sorry Haploid
Be Careful Everyone!!
Oh yeah nice work if thats really him. I love that info diggin'
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Inaba
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July 21, 2011, 03:21:07 PM |
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Any escrow service is barely useful if there is no arbitration process. There absolutely must be an arbitration process for any Bitcoin escrow service to be of any real value.
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If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place.
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BitPorium
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July 21, 2011, 03:31:18 PM |
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Any escrow service is barely useful if there is no arbitration process. There absolutely must be an arbitration process for any Bitcoin escrow service to be of any real value.
I agree, I am working on a system right now to have escrow + arbitration. Should be done and ready for deployment sometime in the next 2 weeks. |
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pekv2
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July 21, 2011, 04:01:21 PM |
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Sorry to hear about everyone's losses. I've been lurking this thread for some time now. People like LEON(chris8lunch) give bitcoins a bad rap.
Sure does. And not just BTC but new comers like myself. Puts a bad position for new comers that are here legitimately to trading, buying selling etc. Just nodding my head. |
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AndyRossy
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July 21, 2011, 04:12:23 PM |
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I still think there should be a secondary "trust" profile linked to all forum profiles, in which, users can leave feedback about transactions with users, in an easily accessible way.
Users without trust or significantly send goods first as common etiquite (e.g. he would have had to have sent cards first assuming you had some trust).
This is what another forum I use for computer parts does, and it's worked well for 5 years.
Please can we have.
I dont believe an escrow service is the right solution here.
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kokojie
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July 21, 2011, 04:59:12 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? I sold a ton of 5830s here, and as a seller I always said I will accept escrow, even though my forum post count, customer feedback posts and registration date would've allowed me to not take escrow.
Demand escrow acceptance from your sellers!!!
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myrkul
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July 21, 2011, 05:01:24 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? Be a pretty stupid scammer that agreed to use escrow, eh? |
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pekv2
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July 21, 2011, 05:10:35 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? I sold a ton of 5830s here, and as a seller I always said I will accept escrow, even though my forum post count, customer feedback posts and registration date would've allowed me to not take escrow.
Demand escrow acceptance from your sellers!!!
I'm going to look into this escrow thing. I will use it if I go to sell something which I am planning to do once I mine a few more BTC's to cover mail cost coverage for any items that get shipped. |
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kokojie
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July 21, 2011, 05:12:28 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? Be a pretty stupid scammer that agreed to use escrow, eh? That's what I'm saying, all buyers should just demand escrow for transactions more than 1 BTC, scammers will be all gone from here. |
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kokojie
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July 21, 2011, 05:17:44 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? I sold a ton of 5830s here, and as a seller I always said I will accept escrow, even though my forum post count, customer feedback posts and registration date would've allowed me to not take escrow.
Demand escrow acceptance from your sellers!!!
I'm going to look into this escrow thing. I will use it if I go to sell something which I am planning to do once I mine a few more BTC's to cover mail cost coverage for any items that get shipped. Escrow is mostly for buyer protection, and I always offer it because it let's my buyer know they are protected. As a buyer they have no reason to screw over the seller (me), because buyers are not getting any money back from escrow regardless what happens (sellers should always demand donation type escrow). Buyer would not intentionally screw over the seller, because seller knows their address and why piss off someone that knows your name and address for no reason? |
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pekv2
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July 21, 2011, 05:23:21 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? I sold a ton of 5830s here, and as a seller I always said I will accept escrow, even though my forum post count, customer feedback posts and registration date would've allowed me to not take escrow.
Demand escrow acceptance from your sellers!!!
I'm going to look into this escrow thing. I will use it if I go to sell something which I am planning to do once I mine a few more BTC's to cover mail cost coverage for any items that get shipped. Escrow is mostly for buyer protection, and I always offer it because it let's my buyer know they are protected. As a buyer they have no reason to screw over the seller (me), because buyers are not getting any money back from escrow regardless what happens (sellers should always demand donation type escrow). Buyer would not intentionally screw over the seller, because seller knows their address and why piss off someone that knows your name and address for no reason? Oh, yea, I know it's for the buyers protection, that is why I will use it to insure the seller "me" is good, to deal with. LOL@ address part, very true. (donation type escrow)
How does this works? |
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myrkul
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July 21, 2011, 05:31:29 PM |
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(donation type escrow)
How does this works? deal falls through, money goes to the fountain, or another bitcoin charity. |
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kgo
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July 21, 2011, 05:50:53 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? Be a pretty stupid scammer that agreed to use escrow, eh? The idea is, if the seller refuses to use escrow, that's a big red flag that they are a scammer. |
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kgo
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July 21, 2011, 05:54:42 PM |
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(donation type escrow)
How does this works? deal falls through, money goes to the fountain, or another bitcoin charity. That's the way my escrow service works. See the link in my sig. It's an affordable way to provide some protection to both parties, but isn't perfect. For something like this though, almost $1000 dollars worth of merchandise, it might be worth seeking a service where there is some actual dispute resolution. Unless you really want to donate $1000 to the bitcoin faucet. |
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myrkul
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July 21, 2011, 06:07:33 PM |
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Why no one used escrow? Be a pretty stupid scammer that agreed to use escrow, eh? The idea is, if the seller refuses to use escrow, that's a big red flag that they are a scammer. That's confirmation, in my book. |
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haploid23 (OP)
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July 21, 2011, 08:15:36 PM |
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i've been talking to dwolla, they finally suspended his dwolla account so makes it a little harder to move money from mtgox to his bank account, or scam others directly paying with dwolla. i could probably post my chat with them later
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