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July 22, 2011, 05:40:15 AM
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Note the heavy use of the words "mutant," "mutated," and "developed" in that article. Thanks for proving our point.

You clearly didn't.

"A subpopulation of resistant bacteria often exists. "



and where do you think the subpopulations come from? previous mutations.

"resistance development is very much dependent on mutations"
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July 22, 2011, 05:41:10 AM
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So you accept Evolution finally? Because that is EXACTLY the mechanism. Genetic variation produces small portions of the population which will do better than the rest when exposed to negative environmental factors. Thank you, we're done here.

Evolution is a slow gradual process, taking billions of years. * **

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Because bacteria can reproduce in minutes, while for higher order species it takes years. This is obvious to anyone who has the slightest idea what the theory of evolution is all about. Clearly you don't know what evolution is or you are just trolling because you seem to ignore inconvenient facts that have been presented earlier.

I suggest you watch this video:

Foundational Falsehood of Creationism 9min

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July 22, 2011, 05:42:03 AM
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and where do you think the subpopulations come from? previous mutations.

How far back do you want to go?

Q How does antibiotic resistance come about?

A This is a natural phenomenon and has been around as long as bacteria. Bacteria isolated from a glacier formed long before the discovery and use of antibiotics have been found to be resistant to some modern antibiotics. A certain level of inherent bacterial resistance to antibiotics must therefore be expected but surviving bacteria will be those that are of low sensitivity or are resistant.


http://www.noah.co.uk/issues/briefingdoc/11-abres.htm
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July 22, 2011, 05:46:42 AM
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Because bacteria can reproduce in minutes, while for higher order species it takes years. This is obvious to anyone who has the slightest idea what the theory of evolution is all about. Clearly you don't know what evolution is or you are just trolling because you seem to ignore inconvenient facts that have been presented earlier.

I suggest you watch this video:

Foundational Falsehood of Creationism 9min

Do you seriously believe that I didn't know that bacteria reproduce in minutes, or are you just trolling?
Do you deny that bacteria, even very old strains, have some natural resistance to modern antibiotics?

Here: www.google.com This site links to many videos disputing evolution.



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July 22, 2011, 05:48:33 AM
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PS: Please respond soon, I'm going to run out of styles.

What are you, 7 years old?

No, but I'm gonna keep this up until you respond to the content of the post. Don't make me bust out the Marquee.

Despite your vaunted faith in the self-correction capabilities of DNA, it still fucks up, as evinced by the numerous genetic disorders that plague humanity.

Faith? You must be joking. Your body produces 10 trillion copies of your DNA daily just counting white blood cells. That replication code has to be friggin airtight.

Genetic disorders are the result of lost/scrambled information. That is not new information, its new garbage. Information comes only from intelligence. Randomness it the total absence of information.

And when it's not 'friggin airtight' we get cancer. Or a mutation.

And sometimes, that 'new garbage' turns out to be helpful.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

I find it more telling that you completely ignored the 'breathing hole same as the drinking hole' and 'testicles danging unprotected' points, and instead, focused on the point you could refute, 'platypus is ugly'.

How does evolution adapt? Magic? Where is evolution? What is the source? If it is non-physical, how does it impact physical matter?

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Natural_selection

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July 22, 2011, 05:55:17 AM
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and where do you think the subpopulations come from? previous mutations.

How far back do you want to go?

Q How does antibiotic resistance come about?

A This is a natural phenomenon and has been around as long as bacteria. Bacteria isolated from a glacier formed long before the discovery and use of antibiotics have been found to be resistant to some modern antibiotics. A certain level of inherent bacterial resistance to antibiotics must therefore be expected but surviving bacteria will be those that are of low sensitivity or are resistant.


http://www.noah.co.uk/issues/briefingdoc/11-abres.htm


the mutation that gave it that resistance came first. that resistance is likely tied to a gene that has another function (protien moonlighting).
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July 22, 2011, 05:59:08 AM
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the mutation that gave it that resistance came first. that resistance is likely tied to a gene that has another function.

There's no evidence of that. I could just as easily hypothesize that the resistance was inherent. It is as valid a hypothesis as yours.

If the evidence doesn't fit, reject it. That's how the evolution train rolls.
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July 22, 2011, 06:10:29 AM
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There's no evidence of that. I could just as easily hypothesize that the resistance was inherent. It is as valid a hypothesis as yours.



youre right, it certainly is; we both have a valid hypothesis on whether the bacterias resistance was inherent, with no empirical evidence to back it up either way.

your hypothesis (or mine) is proof of nothing....i would say that more data needs to be gathered before a solid conclusion can be reached.

 so we agree then that your example was worthless? that it doesnt show proof of inherent resistance?
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July 22, 2011, 06:11:48 AM
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If the evidence doesn't fit, reject it. That's how the evolution train rolls.

This is fuckin' rich.  Cheesy

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July 22, 2011, 06:17:15 AM
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The proof is all around you, but scientists today ascribe it to evolution, an unscientific, magical ether with intelligent powers of foresight and design.



What was the environmental condition that caused life, a shortage of humans?  Cheesy
How does evolution adapt? Magic? Where is evolution? What is the source? If it is non-physical, how does it impact physical matter?


Any scientist worth a can of beans will tell you, that yes, evolution is not fact, but theory.

I am asking these questions because no one can answer them, much less you.

Please let me know which one of these is not a fact:

1) when two groups exist in the same place, the stronger group can dominate the weaker
2) living things have lots and lots of sex
3) genes, which store blueprints for life's design, exist
4) genes store all the code of the living thing's predecessors
5) genes divide and recombine when things have sex and make babies
6) accidents happen
7) environments change
Cool groups of living things can become separated in the environment, either due to nature (flood-> new river/island) or by their own choice (migration)
9) there are obvious similarities on both macro and micro biological species, found in both concurrent living ones and in ancestral lines

The theory that explains all those things is evolution. Feel free to come up with a better theory, as long as it's supportable by facts and includes all of them

Do you seriously believe that I didn't know that bacteria reproduce in minutes, or are you just trolling?


Judging from your previous comments, you have no idea what the theory of evolution is all about. You are arguing against a strawman. Your comment implies that evolution is supposed to take the same time for all species.


Do you deny that bacteria, even very old strains, have some natural resistance to modern antibiotics?

I don't know for sure but I would think that it is indeed possible. But that does not preclude resistance arising from the evolutionary process.

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July 22, 2011, 06:22:19 AM
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I don't know for sure but I would think that it is indeed possible. But that does not preclude resistance arising from the evolutionary process.

Or from magical Jesus-juice.

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July 22, 2011, 08:25:33 AM
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Or from magical Jesus-jizz.
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July 22, 2011, 02:35:50 PM
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Talking of wackjob religions, here's a new method of recruitment...

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July 22, 2011, 03:31:10 PM
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so we agree then that your example was worthless? that it doesnt show proof of inherent resistance?

 Cheesy. This wasn't my example. The resistance to antibiotics was offered as an example of evolution a few dozen posts back.

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July 22, 2011, 04:05:35 PM
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so we agree then that your example was worthless? that it doesnt show proof of inherent resistance?

 Cheesy. This wasn't my example. The resistance to antibiotics was offered as an example of evolution a few dozen posts back.

I gotta ask, though. If we make antibiotics SPECIFICALLY for the bacteria we are aware of, including newly found strains resistant to old antibiotics, and those antibiotics are powerful enough to eradicate all of those bacteria, where exactly is this different, antibiotic-resistant, bacteria coming from? Explorers from expeditions to the Antarctic, or the uncharted areas of the Amazon?

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July 22, 2011, 05:18:26 PM
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 Cheesy. This wasn't my example. The resistance to antibiotics was offered as an example of evolution a few dozen posts back.







no?    

just quit while you are behind man......you cant even remember your own arguments now. Cheesy  that example was your attempt to prove inherent antibiotic resistance (as opposed to it occurring through mutation......you know, reality).



How far back do you want to go?

Q How does antibiotic resistance come about?

A This is a natural phenomenon and has been around as long as bacteria. Bacteria isolated from a glacier formed long before the discovery and use of antibiotics have been found to be resistant to some modern antibiotics. A certain level of inherent bacterial resistance to antibiotics must therefore be expected but surviving bacteria will be those that are of low sensitivity or are resistant.


http://www.noah.co.uk/issues/briefingdoc/11-abres.htm

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July 22, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
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But why the heck spend 9 pages to put Rationality vs Religion?!

Obviously rationality, not matter how right, doesn't stand a change on these grounds, as religious folks will conveniently change the "essence of God", and when things goes bad here comes the "magical hocus pocus" of "God's mysteries".

To know, God is like a Gypsy, when you corner it (doesn't quite deserve a "him" that human invention), it will pack up and move elsewhere...
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July 23, 2011, 02:26:10 AM
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Talking of wackjob religions, here's a new method of recruitment...


Anarchist are atheist and they do terrorism as well, so it is not about religion or atheism, but about fanatism of religion, politics, sports... However, that fanatism doesnt make be all those things to be bad.

I can say that atheism is dangerous, thanks to Gavrilo Princip, which was the man how boom the first world war. But I dont, because i am not like you and yours (trolls)

Does that make atheism bad? No. In the same way, you should not judge religion about that. Thats inmature, but I know you are a troll, so I dont care about you and you stupid casino.
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July 23, 2011, 07:14:55 AM
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Anarchist are atheist and they do terrorism as well, so it is not about religion or atheism, but about fanatism of religion, politics, sports... However, that fanatism doesnt make be all those things to be bad.

I can say that atheism is dangerous, thanks to Gavrilo Princip, which was the man how boom the first world war. But I dont, because i am not like you and yours (trolls)

Does that make atheism bad? No. In the same way, you should not judge religion about that. Thats inmature, but I know you are a troll, so I dont care about you and you stupid casino.

somebody of faith commiting an atrocious act is different than someone commiting an atrocious act int the name of thier faith.

furthermore, someone who happens to be athiest commiting a horrible act of violence is not the same as a person who commits a horrible act of violence in the name of athiesm. (youd be hard pressed to find the latter)


however,  plenty of horrible acts have and continue to be commited in the name of religion.  didnt oslo, norway just get attacked?

terrorist attacks occur daily  across the globe in the name of allah... the uk and the us (including embassys, military units, and bases) are attacked constantly.  extremist muslim groups in the phillipenes, middle east, and elsewhere continue to be a very serious threat.   

 in the us, radical christian groups  have been known to bomb abortion clinics and/or murder employees...not to mention the witch hunts, the inquisition, the crusades, etc.....all atrocities in the name of the christian god

the isreal and pakistan have killed countless amounts of each others people over "the holy land"

....and dont even get me started on the catholics....for fucks sake, the current pope was a member of the hitler youth!!!!!!!....  here we have an entire organization that OPENLY protects pedophiles.  you have trusted members of the church raping children, and their only punishment is getting shifted to another church while the victim and thier family is threatened with excommunication if they dont remain silent.

and honestly this is the tip of the iceburg.....i could go on for quite a while (seriously, we've barely touched the surface of religions crimes against humanity)......








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