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November 26, 2013, 11:09:33 PM
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Just noticed that the version in git displays version 0.90 now. Is this the official release?
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November 27, 2013, 01:00:07 AM
Last edit: November 27, 2013, 01:21:50 AM by etotheipi
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Just noticed that the version in git displays version 0.90 now. Is this the official release?

Semi-official.  I'm going to let this release ferment silently for a few days, and make sure I got everything right, before pushing out notifications.  I was planning to push them out right away, but I've had too many instances of stupid things that need to be fixed and I don't want to spam users any more than necessary.

Probably push notifications and official announcement on Friday or Monday.

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November 27, 2013, 02:00:04 AM
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I have an interesting problem.  I am running 0.89.99... on Debian v2.26.32

I created a send transaction and after 70 minutes the status for the transaction "Not in the blockchain yet".  The transaction never gets sent.

What's up?

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November 27, 2013, 02:12:32 AM
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Right-click on the transaction and "View on Blockchain.info".  If the transaction was broadcast properly, you'll see it on blockchain.info.  If not, go to "Help" -> "Clear all unconfirmed" and then send/broadcast your transaction again.

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November 28, 2013, 04:33:38 PM
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I'm just not 100% confident that the backups will be the same as the final version.  I know it creates a frustrating dynamic, because I need people to help test the backups, but I have to tell them not to rely on them yet.

When will you decide this? I would love to use the m-of-n paper backup.

Have you decided this now?
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November 28, 2013, 07:10:07 PM
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I'm just not 100% confident that the backups will be the same as the final version.  I know it creates a frustrating dynamic, because I need people to help test the backups, but I have to tell them not to rely on them yet.

When will you decide this? I would love to use the m-of-n paper backup.

Have you decided this now?

M-of-N backups are available in the current testing release

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November 28, 2013, 09:17:28 PM
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I'm just not 100% confident that the backups will be the same as the final version.  I know it creates a frustrating dynamic, because I need people to help test the backups, but I have to tell them not to rely on them yet.

When will you decide this? I would love to use the m-of-n paper backup.

Have you decided this now?

M-of-N backups are available in the current testing release
Yes, but the quoted statement from etotheipi suggested the possibility that the fragmented-backup format might yet change between testing version and release version.  That ambiguity hasn't been removed by a clear statement, although it seems unlikely that the format is going to change given how close we are to release of a new non-testing version.

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November 28, 2013, 09:56:44 PM
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Yes, but the quoted statement from etotheipi suggested the possibility that the fragmented-backup format might yet change between testing version and release version.  That ambiguity hasn't been removed by a clear statement, although it seems unlikely that the format is going to change given how close we are to release of a new non-testing version.

I think he was making reference to the new paper backup format, exporting only the root key instead of root key + chaincode. M of N backups were not available to public at the time of that post, if memory serves right.

Regardless, the current M of N backups are only available as part of test builds, you're better off waiting for a release build before shoving the GDP of Zimbabwe into one of those babies =P. You're welcome to abuse them with cheap change or testnet coins, however.

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November 28, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
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Yes, but the quoted statement from etotheipi suggested the possibility that the fragmented-backup format might yet change between testing version and release version.  That ambiguity hasn't been removed by a clear statement, although it seems unlikely that the format is going to change given how close we are to release of a new non-testing version.

I think he was making reference to the new paper backup format, exporting only the root key instead of root key + chaincode. M of N backups were not available to public at the time of that post, if memory serves right.

Regardless, the current M of N backups are only available as part of test builds, you're better off waiting for a release build before shoving the GDP of Zimbabwe into one of those babies =P. You're welcome to abuse them with cheap change or testnet coins, however.

I created a new wallet on my offline computer and printed a 5 of 6 backup. I then deleted the wallet and restored from the printed backups. There where no problems and the addresses that I created were the same as before. Are you saying that I have missed something and that I should not rely on that paper wallet for my small-country-sized-savings?

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November 29, 2013, 10:02:42 AM
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I created a new wallet on my offline computer and printed a 5 of 6 backup. I then deleted the wallet and restored from the printed backups. There where no problems and the addresses that I created were the same as before. Are you saying that I have missed something and that I should not rely on that paper wallet for my small-country-sized-savings?

Let me put it to you from our perspective. Recently we are getting a wave a new users who download Armory, shove their coins into it and then figure out they don't know how to use it, then spam us with emails like "help me please".

As with any new feature relating to wallets, please be sure to test it extensively, get familiar with the feature and acquire a solid understanding of how to use it before resorting to hold your funds with it.

While the testing phase on the M-of-N backups is satisfactory, even knowing that it'll be part of the next release, do not forget that the current builds are, as the name says, for testing purpose. I hope this clarifies the point.

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November 29, 2013, 05:58:34 PM
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Yes, but the quoted statement from etotheipi suggested the possibility that the fragmented-backup format might yet change between testing version and release version.  That ambiguity hasn't been removed by a clear statement, although it seems unlikely that the format is going to change given how close we are to release of a new non-testing version.

I think he was making reference to the new paper backup format, exporting only the root key instead of root key + chaincode. M of N backups were not available to public at the time of that post, if memory serves right.

M of N backups were available to the public at that time.
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November 29, 2013, 06:19:53 PM
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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is this version out of the testing phase now?

Asking this because I see a beta version 0.90 available for download on the Armory website, and don't recall seeing it there a couple days ago.
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November 29, 2013, 08:38:12 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299684.msg3729739#msg3729739

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November 30, 2013, 08:03:44 AM
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I had been eagerly awaiting the new version, thinking that it wouldn't bog down my computer like the old one did, but it still seems to be doing that.  Granted, I only have 5 GB of RAM, which is why I essentially stopped using Armory for a while, but in theory that wasn't supposed to be an issue any more.

Is this just something that happens the first time it's loaded in a while, or is even a computer with 5 GB of RAM too slow to properly use Armory?  I waited until it finished building databases, but since I'm going to sleep soon and didn't want to wait another hour, I didn't wait to see how it'd behave after it finishes scanning transaction history.

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November 30, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
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I had been eagerly awaiting the new version, thinking that it wouldn't bog down my computer like the old one did, but it still seems to be doing that.  Granted, I only have 5 GB of RAM, which is why I essentially stopped using Armory for a while, but in theory that wasn't supposed to be an issue any more.

Is this just something that happens the first time it's loaded in a while, or is even a computer with 5 GB of RAM too slow to properly use Armory?  I waited until it finished building databases, but since I'm going to sleep soon and didn't want to wait another hour, I didn't wait to see how it'd behave after it finishes scanning transaction history.

The first time that new version starts (0.89+), it has to build its database. This is a heavy process. Once it is past that point, restarting Armory should take less than a minute + whatever time it'll take BitcoinQt to sync with the network (at this point the time it take to scan the new blocks is obsolete).

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November 30, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
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I forgot to make the RAM usage for that first build configurable (or at least dynamically adjustable based on available RAM).  But right now it should only use 1 GB to build the DB.  However it is likely to slow things down because it's doing very heavy disk accessing. But after that process is done, it should only use 200-300 MB, and start up very quickly. And not station the system much at all.

Please let us know if your experience differs significantly.

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December 01, 2013, 01:06:14 AM
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I forgot to make the RAM usage for that first build configurable (or at least dynamically adjustable based on available RAM).  But right now it should only use 1 GB to build the DB.  However it is likely to slow things down because it's doing very heavy disk accessing. But after that process is done, it should only use 200-300 MB, and start up very quickly. And not station the system much at all.

Please let us know if your experience differs significantly.

Thanks for the update.  It was slow initially, but now that the scanning transaction history part is done, it's pretty quick again.  Good work.

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December 04, 2013, 08:23:16 AM
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Hi!

Just installed the new version (0.90) but it keeps getting stuck at the "building databases" part with "15 seconds" left.

I tried "rebuild and rescan databases" in the help menu and it builds up to 99% again but keeps getting stuck with "15 seconds" left. I left it on for a full day but it never budged, then it started giving a crapload of "bitcoin-qt disconnected" errors.

I'm using windows 8 64-bit with 32GB of ram and a 256GB SSD.
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December 04, 2013, 04:37:32 PM
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Hi!

Just installed the new version (0.90) but it keeps getting stuck at the "building databases" part with "15 seconds" left.

I tried "rebuild and rescan databases" in the help menu and it builds up to 99% again but keeps getting stuck with "15 seconds" left. I left it on for a full day but it never budged, then it started giving a crapload of "bitcoin-qt disconnected" errors.

I'm using windows 8 64-bit with 32GB of ram and a 256GB SSD.

Send a log file to support at bitcoinarmory com

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