Merit System Suggestion Update

[MakeMoneyBtc]

The problem of merit system is that merit points are given by other members so they are limited. If I see a good post and give him 1 merit point, I have to get another point to regain my merit so that it is very hard to get a lot of merit points to rank up. Every member gives and receives merit ponits so what is the benefit? The merit circulates around the forum through the members and only a few people can actually rank up. I dont think there is a solution to this problem, because admins cant give merit to every single good post because thats a lot of work by them. I think this system should be removed or not influence how you rank up.

[Aura]

The so called "merit sources" don't belong in a forum regarding bitcoin, there should be a decentralized system instead. It's just a central agency that decides whether your post is valuable or not. They're also capable of distributing more merits, exactly how a central bank works. But I understand that immediate action needed to be taken to stop the increasing spam on this forum. However, I think there should be a different system to prevent this forum from spammers although I can't think of one myself right now

[alyssaxx]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

I agree with this.. Since we are all working hard to gain merit and our status to go up.

[thelemot]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING

I agree with your opinion, it is not fair for beginners who are very difficult to get merit. posting with good quality even if someone is reluctant to give merit what good quality post. so it would be better if fixed with new provisions. because this is only in favor of those who already have a high ranking.

[eaLiTy]

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

It may be hard to get merits but there are many users probably merit sources who has created threads in this forum that gives out merit if you are a good poster. Just visit their threads.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

It is not possible for the admins to looks after all the users in this forum and keep on giving merits according to their post quality,they wont be adding new mods for that i guess,either way they will miss out people,because it is an impossible task, theymos appointed some users as merit source because they were interested and hopefully they will take care of that.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

Merit system cannot be automatic like activity and if it does,then there is no use in implementing the feature in the first place,a quality post cannot be wagged on the number of paragraphs you filled and if that becomes a norm then you will see people writing gibberish to reach the post length.

[Angelic T]

The merit system really had good intensions and that was to enforce quality posts I  this forum. But as it has always been in this world, anytime something good comes up, people find ways to manipulate the system. But this doesn't still take away the good intensions of the merit system and I think we should all do our best to make sure that its purpose is fulfilled.

[DdmrDdmr]

I get your point, and like the idea of a sort of professional merit assignment group being this a set of administrators or a closed set of people who’s task or side task is to give merit. The problem is finding that closed set of people to entrust this task, which would be pretty time consuming, while withdrawing power that is now given to anyone with merit in their account.

One of the problems now with the system for topic posters is visibility. You can write a good post but not get noticed at all.

Some days ago I suggested trying to self-empower the posts that we found meritable, being this limited for example to being able to hilight a limited amount of our own posts per month (say 1 o 2 per ranking cicle fortnight). The idea would be to mark our post with a "hi, I think this post is worth while", having this post stand out a little by means of a mark of some sort.

I also stated that it would be maybe good to set a minimum length for posts to me merited. This is to filter out a lot of posts that are made now days which are one or two liners (ofcourse one could argue that if one were to announce tomorrow’s lottery numbers in just one line that should indeed be very meritable).

By the way, I think this thread goes in the Meta section ...

[Haterstestbtc]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

I agree with this.. Since we are all working hard to gain merit and our status to go up.

Well,as a jr member i notice that merit system is a very hard procedure to rank up going to wear avatar it will take many years my account can participate to wear avatar. And this is my problem on how to collect almost 200 merits. In this procedure it is good for older users having mines of multiple account because it can give and take to there account farm also. I lose hope this kind of procedure hopefully this will not amended because many jr members and members are remains the same on that place.

[EnaksiS]

I was becoming a full member if the merit system didn't appaer. It was like five more days and walaa, system sit on my system. I am very angry because of that. I can't get 100 merit from someones. So i stucked at this level. Worst thing in the bitcointalk history!

[mahimonliner]

I agreed with your opinion but I think thats a lot of work for admins to check every post and and send merit to the right person.
we should accept the system for our own good and appreciate a good post by giving merit to the right person.

[mahimonliner]

I was becoming a full member if the merit system didn't appaer. It was like five more days and walaa, system sit on my system. I am very angry because of that. I can't get 100 merit from someones. So i stucked at this level. Worst thing in the bitcointalk history!

I know many persons who stucked because of the merit system, but you know what its a good move because of that merit system members like us will focus on quality not quantity.
I personally do like the merit system.

[grermezter]

You got 4 merits, OP.  That's a lot more than many members with your awful command of the english language have gotten, and assuming you didn't buy those, you should consider yourself very lucky.  What are you complaining about?   

In case you haven't noticed, suggestions from newbies are falling on deaf ears.  Rightfully so. 

Look at me, I haven't earned a merit yet, and I'm not about to complain, because I'm not here to rank up and spam the forum.

People can mutually agree to send merits to each other and i believe that's going to be a problem as well. But i believe for the sake of people spamming the forum i think the merit system should stand until a more efficient way comes along.

[mdead]

I like the merit system, I saw people complaining over merit system all over this forum.Even I am a newbie and I know I have to work a lot to establish myself into this forum or get into a higher rank. But I am not afraid of merit system. Because this will bring more out of me.
Only the Quality is countable here for higher rank.

[felicanoma]

Yes I really agree with you, I also feel burdened with this system.
at the beginning of this system people crowded smerit to good post but lately I see it is rare people who give smerit.Ini there must be a way out and action to be fair, because I think it will be very troublesome for the beginners who really want to work.

[Anti-Cen]

The administrators and moderators have enough to deal with simply keeping the forum clear of spam, they do not have time to analyse post quality. Also, the issue of alt accounts meriting each other is invalid, they would need to be high quality alt accounts to have sMerit to spend in the first place. In my opinion, I think high quality alt accounts would contribute more to the forum than s***posting newbie or Jr accounts.

Come on we who are not "One of the boys" can see whats going on here and unless you sing from the correct book
then you will see few merits because some like myself get banned and others not made from the right stuff get
chased off.

A simple look the the activity to merit ratio tells the story, look at mine and note that the OP fears a ban too.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

the problem is that the system has flowed.

No, the problem is the forum has users who write English words like the above that make no sense, and they do this because it earns them money.  Those users need to get off this forum and not even mention the merit system.  It baffles me that OP got merit for his post.

[paxmao]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING

No, it is not too hard to get merits, you need to give the system some time for people to get used and for merit to flow.

No, you can´t make merit automatic and definitely not by length for two reasons:

a) Shitpost are many times short, but that does not make long posts necessarily good (see here if you don´t understand this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_logic

b) people would spend sleepless nights trying to find out how to hack the system.

No, you can´t overload the admins even more, as you say, it is already hard enough.

[Shenzou]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING

The merit system is great and all and it is helping to improve the post quality of many people and reducing the spam in the forum, but the only probelm with the merit system is that it could be unfair to some poeple who are actually posting good quality posts, because from what i have witnessed since the  release of this system, is that poeple give merits to memebers who are popular on the forum not because of their high quality post.

[19spawnfeed]

Yes I really agree with you, I also feel burdened with this system.
at the beginning of this system people crowded smerit to good post but lately I see it is rare people who give smerit.Ini there must be a way out and action to be fair, because I think it will be very troublesome for the beginners who really want to work.

I respect the merit system and I didn't see there's a problem of that, we must respect and obey the rules if you want to deserve merit. Don't be pressure about the merit requirement to rank up because you still earned money in this forum. Be patient and wait for the updated merit system's rules and regulations then hopefully there's a changes about merit requirement.

[Zicadis]

I like your idea as the concept is based on fairness but unfortunately this will over load the mods with a lot of work and I think the current merit system is okay as it more of a [SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam model that extends to all forum members regardless of whether you a sig participant or not thats trying to promote quality posts and also make ranking up to be based on merit 😀