[UPDATE - ON HAND] BitFury 16 Chip Boards 41.7Gh/s 3.69BTC

[metal_jacke1]

BitFury 16 Boards - IN STOCK
41.7Gh/s *Overclockable*



ORDER FOR DELIVERY ON OR BEFORE November 1st
Free EXPRESS Shipping (United States) on orders of 2 or more. Use Coupon Code: BTFRY16
Hosted Option Available!




Includes only the board itself. Power cable and Raspberry Pi not included. (Required for functionality. Orders of 10 or more recieve FREE Preconfigured Raspberry Pi)

Board will do a minimum of 41.7ghash @ 1w/ghash, up to 50ghash when/if overclocked (more power required).

Specs

Bitfury 16x board:

55nm Architecture
Size: 134.5 x 120.5mm
Output power: up to 80A
Input Voltage: 12V
Output Voltage: 0.7-1.0V (default @0.9V)
4 x Heatsinks
2 x Fan
SPI conneciton through flexible flat cables.
Power switch
Fused
On/off led

BTC3.69
MasterCard, Visa, Discover, Amex
UPDATE: Two Credit Card Processors and Paypal has closed our accounts due to "risks associated with bitcoin hardware sales." We are not naive and we have reason to believe that these are actions from the Financial Industry to depress bitcoin mining hardware sales. At this time we only accept Bitcoin until another alternative payment solution is presented. You can pay in bitcoin on the checkout page on our site at MinerSource.NET

 



ON HAND - IN STOCK
Shipping Calculated on Site for Fiat



HOSTING OPTIONS

You can have your hardware hosted and mining immediately provided by Miner Hosting LLC (Bobsag3)
For details email hosting@minersource.net

FAQs:

Q: Is this a Pre-Order?

A: No, the chips and assembly are all paid for, so this is NOT a pre-order funded operation.


Q: Can I request a refund before the expected delivery date?

A: Yes, we can cancel your order at any time and refund your purchase prior to shipment.


Q: What type of Connection?

A: SPI Connection (Requires Raspberry Pi and can be daisy chained)



For additional Questions contact sales@minersource.net

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[bobsag3]

Confirming everything here.
PCBs entered into production Monday, ASICs arrive to be mounted Thursday, I should have the first boards in my hands next wednesday. The Nov 1st date is given as a worst case, all refunds given if this date is not met

I should be able to start shipping boards out next Thursday 10/24, with another batch hopefully next Saturday (10/26)

The chips and assembly are all paid for, so this is NOT a pre order funded operation. [ No BTC money will be taken out of the payment wallet until shipment, paypal/fiat will be at their mercy).

I will be constantly updating this thread with info as I receive it, and I am not shy at taking tons of pictures.

As long as I get them from the assembler in large enough batches, I can do upwards of 100 boards a day shipped, shipping from middle of Missouri makes most USPS Priority packages take 2 days

For fastest mining time, I have my hosting service here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288012
Very reasonable and flexible rates, and They will be mining within minutes of your order vs having to ship. Plus, half off the first month,

Please please please contract either metal or I if you have any questions etc, we are around here a lot more than we should be.

CURENT STATUS: Boards will be finished friday/saturday, ASICs arrive tomorrow, and mounting will be done by next tuesday night. From there they just need to be tested for 4-6 hours, then shipped to me.

[bobsag3]

Speed:

Each board is gaurenteed for 2.7ghash/chip, or 41.7 total. However with the available power distro on board, and supplying enough external power, simulation says we should be able to get 3.0/3.3 per chip without much difficulty.

[bobsag3]

Reserved #3

[Xian01]

Interested in 10. Looking forward to seeing a working demo.

Edit: After further consideration, delivery by Nov 1 @ 6 BTC is not worthwhile given current trends. Price of this needs to be closer to 3.5-4 BTC per board to be relevant.

[bobsag3]

Interested in 10. Looking forward to seeing a working demo.

I *hope* to have atleast come pictures of it tomorrow (without ASIC;s). I will defiantly have them next week.

[fpgaminer]

[Warning, useless post]
Woah, woah, woah.  Back that truck up there, buddy.  You're quoting realistic specs, quoting a shipped before date, and offering a full refund if not shipped on time?

You'd best pack up and move onto a different market.  We only buy from companies that over promise and deliver late 'round these parts.

[bobsag3]

[Warning, useless post]
Woah, woah, woah.  Back that truck up there, buddy.  You're quoting realistic specs, quoting a shipped before date, and offering a full refund if not shipped on time?

You'd best pack up and move onto a different market.  We only buy from companies that over promise and deliver late 'round these parts.

SHH I was hoping to slip under the radar.

But the refund as I repeat, atleast for BTC orders, the funds WILL not be touched from that adress unless being moved to another publicly posted address, or when I start mass shipping.

As long as I get them from the assembler in large enough batches, I can do upwards of 100 boards a day shipped, shipping from middle of Missouri makes most USPS Priority packages take 2 days. 

[Foofighter]

looks good, also waiting to see working proto

[klondike_bar]

you will need to bring down the price. a 25GH bitfury board is $500 and easily OC'd to 35-41GH, and that price was set over a month ago.

you should have these for <$500 and/or make h-boards (similar design) for <$300

[bobsag3]

you will need to bring down the price. a 25GH bitfury board is $500 and easily OC'd to 35-41GH, and that price was set over a month ago.

you should have these for <$500 and/or make h-boards (similar design) for <$300

Yes and those are out of stock for the EU, with little stock available in the US. Also 8k for 400ghash is right around this price.

And why would I want to do with someone elses design? I like this one, witch is why I had it paid to be made.
BTW Even at the lowest prices, the 16 BF chips were minimum $300. Also.... do they take credit card/ paypal?

[warhawk187]

If an order was placed today, how soon would it arrive? Do you do volume discounts? 6.3BTC/$999 is quite steep considering the difficulty jumped 40% today...

[bobsag3]

If an order was placed today, how soon would it arrive? Do you do volume discounts? 6.3BTC/$999 is quite steep considering the difficulty jumped 40% today...

Im looking at a arrival of ~80% of the boards by next friday, October 25th. I should be able to start delivering before then, but I am assuming a worst case scenario shipping/assembly time wise.
I do do volume discounts... the primary reason for the high $$$ amount is the risk with taking CC etc. If you want to pay in BTC the price is more flexible.

[joeventura]

$23.9 a GH??  (better?)

At that price let's start selling Avalons again

with free electricity and BTC at $250 fiat this breaks even in 110 days

with BTC at $200 fiat this NEVER breaks even

[bobsag3]

$25 a GH??

At that price let's start selling Avalons again

$23.9/ghash if paid in $,
.15btc/ghash if in BTC


AS for ROI... same for all those USBs, ASIC Blades etc. You dont see them not selling. If you dont like the price, please feel free to move
on.

With the boards we got back from our test run, we should be able to get 50ghash out of each board. But Im only promising 41.7, anything above that should be considered extra

[shapemaker]

AS for ROI... same for all those USBs, ASIC Blades etc. You dont see them not selling. If you dont like the price, please feel free to move
on.

Good luck on sales. You'll always catch some people unable to do math

[bitcoiner49er]

If I got one TODAY, it would be lucky to see 5BTC

[klondike_bar]

AS for ROI... same for all those USBs, ASIC Blades etc. You dont see them not selling. If you dont like the price, please feel free to move
on.

Good luck on sales. You'll always catch some people unable to do math

We don't offer investment advice or counsel. We are a hardware provider. Considering the inventory levels of Bitfury available in the United States, we believe that this is a competitive price based on the fact that BFL is always backlogged and other hardware is pre-ordered for delivery several months away. We encourage you to compare ours price with other inventory that is not backlogged and in hand.

cex.io offers immediate hosted Ghash that can be resold at anytime for market price (currently 0.134BTC/GH)

also, its worth noting that even at $8000/400GH bitfury system (which will drop the second they clear out the october preorders in the next week or 2 tops), it can be overclocked to >500GH with minimal effort (>550GH if using heatsinks)

your product looks great, but the pricing is going to make it a tough sell.

[shapemaker]

AS for ROI... same for all those USBs, ASIC Blades etc. You dont see them not selling. If you dont like the price, please feel free to move
on.

Good luck on sales. You'll always catch some people unable to do math

We don't offer investment advice or counsel. We are a hardware provider. Considering the inventory levels of Bitfury available in the United States, we believe that this is a competitive price based on the fact that BFL is always backlogged and other hardware is pre-ordered for delivery several months away. We encourage you to compare ours price with other inventory that is not backlogged and in hand.

When a hardware provider feels the need to defend their pricing, the cause is already lost

Besides, price parity with your competition doesn't matter squat if you all are unprofitable in the end. Look at the latest network difficulty increases, then ask yourselves "for how long can we keep finding the suckers unable to do math".

Thirdly, you're listing your prices in euros too, but import taxes from US to EU will add around 20% to the price.

Fourthly, you're advertising "in hand" products, but... "Board will Ship by Nov 1st or FULL REFUND" and "Im looking at a arrival of ~80% of the boards by next friday, October 25th". So it's not in hand after all...

[blackarrow]

Hello everybody,

Just to confirm that we are working with bobsag3 on this project.

[bobsag3]

Interested in 10. Looking forward to seeing a working demo.

Edit: After further consideration, delivery by Nov 1 @ 6 BTC is not worthwhile given current trends. Price of this needs to be closer to 3.5-4 BTC per board to be relevant.

http://imgur.com/P7704wy,xsYKb6n,MJvxwfp,QPE3Hc4,ttKt34i,WcQq3kC,MCWkVXY,BLdzwk7#7

I have these for now, fully finished boards should be done within 72 hours.

[bobsag3]

Hey BobSag what do you think we could offer as far as hosting is concerned on these boards?

Pretty cheap.

Also for those that want pictures, the completed proto boards can be found here:
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/2-black-arrows-16x-bitfury-board/

Latest numbers has them hashing ~40ghash, but software is still being worked on. The rest of the PCBs go into assembly tomorrow night.

[Bicknellski]

Nice work gents!

Let us hope the BTC price rise gives these units a bit longer life.

Gives you a good feeling about Black Arrow to see that with a design, chips you get a miner lickety-split!

[bobsag3]

As we are closer to the date/ final hashrates, we have adjusted the price.

[klondike_bar]

As we are closer to the date/ final hashrates, we have adjusted the price.

funny how only 3-4 days ago you were defending a 6.3BTC/$999 pricing. what about the fact that current exchange rate puts 6BTC = >$1000?

[bobsag3]

As we are closer to the date/ final hashrates, we have adjusted the price.

funny how only 3-4 days ago you were defending a 6.3BTC/$999 pricing. what about the fact that current exchange rate puts 6BTC = >$1000?

Well we adjust the price as the market changes, so if BTC keeps going up I will keep dropping the price. Also if you ordered sooner for a higher price- they will/have gotten refunds for the difference. And as the board becomes less of a preorder and closer to the date I will have them I have more and more up to date actual costs, and can lower the price accordingly.

[RoadStress]

What settings do you use to get a board to 50GH/s?

[bobsag3]

What settings do you use to get a board to 50GH/s?

The 50ghash is not guaranteed, but according to BA they will be OC'able thru the mining software on the Pi. I will clarify this question with them when we have the final board done. Otherwise the 41.7 is at 2.7/chip, and the last I head (18 hours ago) the prototype boards were doing ~39 with 1-2% errors (software needs tuning, have reached out to Kano for his assistance already)

Also:



1/4 of the boxes I ordered have arrived, along with all the international customs forms I will need. And Cats. In Boxes

[shapemaker]

And Cats. In Boxes

Your cat looks quite a lot like mine :O

[bobsag3]

And Cats. In Boxes

Your cat looks quite a lot like mine :O

His name is snickers, and he is quite an idiot. Runs into walls all the time.

[RoboCoder]

I am going to have to get a board or 2 just because i love seal point siamese..

[bobsag3]

I am going to have to get a board or 2 just because i love seal point siamese..

[ScaryHash]

How do these connect to a Pi? Via usb??

I have no need for a Pi, I already have a Unix computer up and running doing various things...

Which version of CGminer supports these and how can I connect them up to a regular computer? Thanks !

Thinking of ordering a couple or more. When would these ship if I ordered them today?

Thanks.

[bobsag3]

How do these connect to a Pi? Via usb??

I have no need for a Pi, I already have a Unix computer up an running.

Which version of CGminer support these and how can I connect them up to a regular computer? Thanks !

Thinking of ordering a couple or more. When would these ship if I ordered them today?

Thanks.

They connect to the via Ribbon cable, and are required to function. Kano has been shipped a board, so will have latest cgminer support.
They will ship on or before Nov 1, or your refunded.

[Bicknellski]

Fingers crossed that cat didn't piss on your board! LOL!

[pppooppl]

Where can i get Ribbon cable for BitFury Board <--> Rpi
and cable for BitFury  Board <--> BitFury Board if i buy more than 1 board?

[af_newbie]

Where can i get Ribbon cable for BitFury Board <--> Rpi
and cable for BitFury  Board <--> BitFury Board if i buy more than 1 board?

This board should be less than $349 to make any money today.

In a month, it will not even make sense to buy it at $149. IMHO.

[bobsag3]

Where can i get Ribbon cable for BitFury Board <--> Rpi
and cable for BitFury  Board <--> BitFury Board if i buy more than 1 board?

All included if you order atleast one for the rPI > BitFury
If you buy 2 or more, all the SPI cables needed will be included.

First 100 PCBs have been delivered from the factory, unto testing!

[whitefeather]

Interesting product. A few questions, if you don't mind:

1) Supplying power to the unit: I see a barrel type power connector (I think) near the on/off switch. Can you address the type of connector we will need to supply power to the unit? I have some barrel type plugs on cables (created and sold by cablez, member on this forum, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74397.0) connected to a PSU that I used to power BFL FPGA units at one time, and are now powering BFL Jalapenos. Can I use these? If not, can you recommend, or better yet, sell us something to power these boards?

2) Daisy chaining: How many units can we daisy chain together such that we use only one RPi?

3) You note "Includes only the board itself. Power cable and Raspberry Pi not included" in the OP. What is that board that is connected to the bottom of the RPi? I get the BitFury 16X board, the RPi, but what is that thing connected to the bottom of the RPi?

Looking forward to your response. Thanks.

[bobsag3]

Interesting product. A few questions, if you don't mind:

1) Supplying power to the unit: I see a barrel type power connector (I think) near the on/off switch. Can you address the type of connector we will need to supply power to the unit? I have some barrel type plugs on cables (created and sold by cablez, member on this forum, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74397.0) connected to a PSU that I used to power BFL FPGA units at one time, and are now powering BFL Jalapenos. Can I use these? If not, can you recommend, or better yet, sell us something to power these boards?

2) Daisy chaining: How many units can we daisy chain together such that we use only one RPi?

3) You note "Includes only the board itself. Power cable and Raspberry Pi not included" in the OP. What is that board that is connected to the bottom of the RPi? I get the BitFury 16X board, the RPi, but what is that thing connected to the bottom of the RPi?

Looking forward to your response. Thanks.

1) I think there is both a barrel-connector and the 4 pin green connector the blade uses, via 12V. Power usage is going to be between .9w/ghash to 1.3w/ghash.
We will be offering for sale both types of power connectors once I have finalized the best for the price, and a reliable supplier.

2) At minimum 10 (most we have tested so far). Shooting for 20-50 per, but can do 10. Otherwise We will come up with some way to compensate users if extra Pi's are needed

3) The board connected to the bottom of the PI is a controller board, that will also be included with each miner (its technically "part" of the miner thats why we didn't advertise separately)

I hope I answered all your questions.

[whitefeather]

Interesting product. A few questions, if you don't mind:

1) Supplying power to the unit: I see a barrel type power connector (I think) near the on/off switch. Can you address the type of connector we will need to supply power to the unit? I have some barrel type plugs on cables (created and sold by cablez, member on this forum, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74397.0) connected to a PSU that I used to power BFL FPGA units at one time, and are now powering BFL Jalapenos. Can I use these? If not, can you recommend, or better yet, sell us something to power these boards?

2) Daisy chaining: How many units can we daisy chain together such that we use only one RPi?

3) You note "Includes only the board itself. Power cable and Raspberry Pi not included" in the OP. What is that board that is connected to the bottom of the RPi? I get the BitFury 16X board, the RPi, but what is that thing connected to the bottom of the RPi?

Looking forward to your response. Thanks.

1) I think there is both a barrel-connector and the 4 pin green connector the blade uses, via 12V. Power usage is going to be between .9w/ghash to 1.3w/ghash.
We will be offering for sale both types of power connectors once I have finalized the best for the price, and a reliable supplier.

2) At minimum 10 (most we have tested so far). Shooting for 20-50 per, but can do 10. Otherwise We will come up with some way to compensate users if extra Pi's are needed

3) The board connected to the bottom of the PI is a controller board, that will also be included with each miner (its technically "part" of the miner thats why we didn't advertise separately)

I hope I answered all your questions.

Thank you for your prompt response. I am very interested in how Item #1 above turns out. Given Black Arrow's history of working on follow up production runs of the infamous Icarus/Lancelot FPGA boards, I suspect he may have retained that product's barrel type connector. In which case, I may be able to use my existing barrel type plugs, which Cablez himself says "These cables will also fit the Icarus or ztex FPGA or any 12V 2.5/5.5mm DC plug peripheral." It would be great if Black Arrow can confirm the Bitfury 16X board's power connector specifications.

At any rate, I am impressed with your speed to market. Congrats. I shall have to order one to try out, and hopefully I can expand my future hashing capabilities with your boards.

[bobsag3]

Interesting product. A few questions, if you don't mind:

1) Supplying power to the unit: I see a barrel type power connector (I think) near the on/off switch. Can you address the type of connector we will need to supply power to the unit? I have some barrel type plugs on cables (created and sold by cablez, member on this forum, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74397.0) connected to a PSU that I used to power BFL FPGA units at one time, and are now powering BFL Jalapenos. Can I use these? If not, can you recommend, or better yet, sell us something to power these boards?

2) Daisy chaining: How many units can we daisy chain together such that we use only one RPi?

3) You note "Includes only the board itself. Power cable and Raspberry Pi not included" in the OP. What is that board that is connected to the bottom of the RPi? I get the BitFury 16X board, the RPi, but what is that thing connected to the bottom of the RPi?

Looking forward to your response. Thanks.

1) I think there is both a barrel-connector and the 4 pin green connector the blade uses, via 12V. Power usage is going to be between .9w/ghash to 1.3w/ghash.
We will be offering for sale both types of power connectors once I have finalized the best for the price, and a reliable supplier.

2) At minimum 10 (most we have tested so far). Shooting for 20-50 per, but can do 10. Otherwise We will come up with some way to compensate users if extra Pi's are needed

3) The board connected to the bottom of the PI is a controller board, that will also be included with each miner (its technically "part" of the miner thats why we didn't advertise separately)

I hope I answered all your questions.

Thank you for your prompt response. I am very interested in how Item #1 above turns out. Given Black Arrow's history of working on follow up production runs of the infamous Icarus/Lancelot FPGA boards, I suspect he may have retained that product's barrel type connector. In which case, I may be able to use my existing barrel type plugs, which Cablez himself says "These cables will also fit the Icarus or ztex FPGA or any 12V 2.5/5.5mm DC plug peripheral." It would be great if Black Arrow can confirm the Bitfury 16X board's power connector specifications.

At any rate, I am impressed with your speed to market. Congrats. I shall have to order one to try out, and hopefully I can expand my future hashing capabilities with your boards.

I do believe I remember being told something about them using the same power connectors as the Lancelots, I will double check. Thank you for refreshing my memory (BA and I talk a lot on skype, lots to remember)

EDIT: Looking back in my messages, they do use the same size DC barrel connector as the Lancelot. As the power consumption is not final yet, Im not sure the lancelot cable will work, but it is the same size. I will double check this with them next time I talk to them

[Fiyasko]

So how would someone go about hooking one of these up to a desktop asif it were usb and not SPI Connection? Or do i seriously need to buy a RPi just to run one of these
Im very intrested in the product!

[bobsag3]

So how would someone go about hooking one of these up to a desktop asif it were usb and not SPI Connection? Or do i seriously need to buy a RPi just to run one of these
Im very intrested in the product!

You will need a rPi to run at least one board, yes.

[bobsag3]

Incoming pics!
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/5-black-arrow-16x-bitfury-first-batch/
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/2-black-arrows-16x-bitfury-prototypes/

[bobsag3]

Now with every order of 4 or more boards (Per 4)
http://www.cardreaderfactory.com/shop/atx-to-dc-power-adapter.html
Will be included. Also each board will be coming with an empty Green power adaptor (like ASICMiner Blades do).

Last software revision had each board doing 38+ghash, so we are well on track to deliver promised hash rate or more (very alpha software). First shipments to me from BA should be Sunday Night CST time (Monday morning in HK) so I should be able to start reshipping these as soon as they arrive!

[whitefeather]

So how would someone go about hooking one of these up to a desktop asif it were usb and not SPI Connection? Or do i seriously need to buy a RPi just to run one of these
Im very intrested in the product!

You will need a rPi to run at least one board, yes.

I assume rPi running MinePeon will work on your product? BTW, I recognize those power adapters as Lancelot adapters. Holding out hope that barrel plug power from PSU will work equally well.

[bobsag3]

So how would someone go about hooking one of these up to a desktop asif it were usb and not SPI Connection? Or do i seriously need to buy a RPi just to run one of these
Im very intrested in the product!

You will need a rPi to run at least one board, yes.

I assume rPi running MinePeon will work on your product? BTW, I recognize those power adapters as Lancelot adapters. Holding out hope that barrel plug power from PSU will work equally well.

I can make no guarantees as so functionality with other miners, besides the version of CGminer on the rpi that Kano is dev'ing.

[Syke]

UPDATE: Two Credit Card Processors and Paypal has closed our accounts due to "risks associated with bitcoin hardware sales." We are not naive and we have reason to believe that these are actions from the Financial Industry to depress bitcoin mining hardware sales.

It's not their fault, they're just minimizing risk. BFL has utterly destroyed the reputation of bitcoin mining hardware by causing vast amounts of chargeback due to failing to deliver.

[bobsag3]

UPDATE: Two Credit Card Processors and Paypal has closed our accounts due to "risks associated with bitcoin hardware sales." We are not naive and we have reason to believe that these are actions from the Financial Industry to depress bitcoin mining hardware sales.

It's not their fault, they're just minimizing risk. BFL has utterly destroyed the reputation of bitcoin mining hardware by causing vast amounts of chargeback due to failing to deliver.

No kidding.
Hes serious tho- Hes lost 2 CC processors and his paypal account, and both my paypal accounts (personal and business) have essentially been taken out.

On good news, I should have all the boards Wednesday afternoon! They are all packed up at the factory, ready to ship in the morning via UPS Express to me.

[the_remote]

I'd love to get into these.  It looks like a genius design.  I just can't for this price point.  I know you said to go elsewhere with this kind of talk but I just wanted to chime in and say I'm extremely interested and I'll be keeping an eye out for the price to come down on these.

[terrapinflyer]

Do you think we will see a price reduction considering Avalon is selling in hand 60Gh/s units for 4BTC?

[bobsag3]

Do you think we will see a price reduction considering Avalon is selling in hand 60Gh/s units for 4BTC?

Except the part where a avalon mini uses 600w+ by itself, almost 10w/ghash. This is 10 times as efficient.

[Syke]

Except the part where a avalon mini uses 600w+ by itself, almost 10w/ghash. This is 10 times as efficient.

Avalon, eww.

Your real competition is MegaBigPower with 30 GH/s @ 2.5 BTC.

[bobsag3]

Except the part where a avalon mini uses 600w+ by itself, almost 10w/ghash. This is 10 times as efficient.

Avalon, eww.

Your real competition is MegaBigPower with 30 GH/s @ 2.5 BTC.

Yeah. Also, we need to adjust the BTC price to come inline with the USD price anyways.
New Price: $800 or 4BTC

[terrapinflyer]

Except the part where a avalon mini uses 600w+ by itself, almost 10w/ghash. This is 10 times as efficient.

Avalon, eww.

Your real competition is MegaBigPower with 30 GH/s @ 2.5 BTC.

Or even the Drillbit system that will start shipping buy the end of the week with just a little less per GH/s and the same power usage. But I still just cant see $20gh making money ever, even if its running off no electricity. Never mind making a profit but never even coming close to breaking even. The Avalon example at $13gh will make more back today then this will ever make and even that is high.
So even if you have to pay .15kw/h with the avalon and started mining today you would lose about $290, now if you had your unit in hand today and didnt pay a penny for power you would lose about $383.
I was only trying to see if you had plans to adjust your price to in the ball park to something your customers could break even with. Even with the more efficient power use the +30% higher price still makes it not add up for me. But maybe Im missing something here.
On the other hand Im stoked that you guys are getting such efficient power use with these chips, it gives me great hope for the future and I do agree that this is a great selling point.

[Swimmer63]

Great looking board. Way over priced.

[integrity42]

This is insanely overpriced.

41.7Gh will only get you 2.9BTC.  Why would someone spent 4.5BTC to only mine back 2.9BTC?

Thats idiotic.

http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=390928787.63809&dcosts=8000&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=41700&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=190.75&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=0&action=calc

[Bicknellski]

This is insanely overpriced.

Where have I seen this post before?

[terrapinflyer]

This is insanely overpriced.

Where have I seen this post before?

Probably in every thread you read, doesn't make it any less true...
You could just buy blades for about the same price, have them the next day and start losing money faster 

[Bicknellski]

This is insanely overpriced.

Where have I seen this post before?

Probably in every thread you read, doesn't make it any less true...
You could just buy blades for about the same price, have them the next day and start losing money faster  

We all get it is "INSANELY" overpriced.

What I do like about these fabricators is that they are not INSANE or INSANELY rude and are willing to offer something up knowing full well the limits of the difficulty and the costs of production. Using loaded language doesn't help inform the community with regards to the sellers constraints nor does it really convey the intent of the seller. These guys are not ASICminer... or BFL or AVALON... those were INSANELY OVERPRICED units given the delivery failures  of the last two or off the shelf prices of the first company.

These guys are putting out a reasonably priced product in terms of the cost of production and "profit" they hope to achieve. Those who want to scream and shout that everything is 'INSANELY' overpriced seem to me are losing sight of what is arguably more important and that is to have sellers that are not ASICminer, BFL and AVALON who have already proven to consistently under deliver, over promise or price gouged our community.There is value in supporting "INSANELY" overpriced fabricators like Bobsag3, KnC, BlueFury, Bi-Fury, BuzzDave, KnC etc over the companies I have mentioned above. Some of these people really do give a shit about the product and try to be fair within reason with the community and it is demonstratively better we support them as long as they continue to be reasonable and ethical to the community.

At this point if you want to be constructive or help educate the wider community and save people the MOST money and pain:

* Get more people to file FTC complaints against BFL.
* Work to get AVALON to refund people they still owe units or chips to.
* BOYCOTT Avalon GenII and future chips in an effort to send them the message the community isn't going to take that sort of ineptitude.
* Support groups who try and provide units at a more reasonable pricing compared to ASICminer astronomically and wildly over priced Block Erupters were.

In my mind there are some battles worth fighting particularly with respect to ASICminer, BFL and Avalon.

We all know how to calculate "ROI" by now but it might be better to post the actual $ or BTC vs Mining Revenue for life of the unit. Do we need to see it is INSANITY to buy a unit for each and every fabricator? No. So at the very least be more creative or target the real problem companies for the community. If it is not FAIR VALUE... then post the numbers and state why. Vilifying the wrong companies if you ask me is not really that helpful in fact if you are doing that I would suspect it is more a ploy to reduce mining overall more than a PSA to the community. What is your real motive?

[terrapinflyer]

We all get it is "INSANELY" overpriced.

What I do like about these fabricators is that they are not INSANE or INSANELY rude and are willing to offer something up knowing full well the limits of the difficulty and the costs of production. Using loaded language doesn't help inform the community with regards to the sellers constraints nor does it really convey the intent of the seller. These guys are not ASICminer... or BFL or AVALON... those were INSANELY OVERPRICED units given the delivery failures  of the last two or off the shelf prices of the first company.

These guys are putting out a reasonably priced product in terms of the cost of production and "profit" they hope to achieve. Those who want to scream and shout that everything is 'INSANELY' overpriced seem to me are losing sight of what is arguably more important and that is to have sellers that are not ASICminer, BFL and AVALON who have already proven to consistently under deliver, over promise or price gouged our community.There is value in supporting "INSANELY" overpriced fabricators like Bobsag3, KnC, BlueFury, Bi-Fury, BuzzDave, KnC etc over the companies I have mentioned above. Some of these people really do give a shit about the product and try to be fair within reason with the community and it is demonstratively better we support them as long as they continue to be reasonable and ethical to the community.

At this point if you want to be constructive or help educate the wider community and save people the MOST money and pain:

* Get more people to file FTC complaints against BFL.
* Work to get AVALON to refund people they still owe units or chips to.
* BOYCOTT Avalon GenII and future chips in an effort to send them the message the community isn't going to take that sort of ineptitude.
* Support groups who try and provide units at a more reasonable pricing compared to ASICminer astronomically and wildly over priced Block Erupters were.

In my mind there are some battles worth fighting particularly with respect to ASICminer, BFL and Avalon.

We all know how to calculate "ROI" by now but it might be better to post the actual $ or BTC vs Mining Revenue for life of the unit. Do we need to see it is INSANITY to buy a unit for each and every fabricator? No. So at the very least be more creative or target the real problem companies for the community. If it is not FAIR VALUE... then post the numbers and state why. Vilifying the wrong companies if you ask me is not really that helpful in fact if you are doing that I would suspect it is more a ploy to reduce mining overall more than a PSA to the community. What is your real motive?

Your rite, I realize that I was not contributing to the previous conversation and I should have not responded after my question was answered about a price drop. 
I apologize for taking this thread off track.
I have to admit, I did exactly what annoys me all the time. I don't have an alternative motive here I was simply just putting my foot in my mouth. So again i apologize.

[bobsag3]

Happy to report I have received the tracking number for the boards, I should get them within the next 48 hours (gotta love UPS express)

[GodHatesFigs]

Insanely overpriced.

[GandalfG]

Looks fine but price.
I do not want to be a bad prophet, but on Monday we will see new lower price in Bitfury shop (MBP and BFSB). I assume about 300EUR for the H-Board 30-40Gh
Likewise Avalon. May all of us be surprised low price. Especially that BTCGarden produces huge amounts of their ASIC for pennies at 110nm.
http://www.btcgarden.com/productsDetail.do?id=106#