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[ShadowOfHarbringer]

You don't have to be white to be racist.  One great example of this would be Rwanda.

Sure, but in my situation believing in racism would be simply idiotic, since I am subjected to racism myself.
I know it hurts, i know what racism is and i know what racism is not.

Oh, and I'm Gypsy.

Still, that does not prove anything. You may be an exception from the rule.
Also while visiting London, i noticed that when Gypsies come to richer countries, they more often start having legal occupations (i personally rented room from a Gypsie in London). Perhaps they just treat my country as a temporary stop on the way to western countries, who knows.

And no matter how long we discuss here, 99% gypsies in my country (Poland) still don't have a legal occupation, and this is an undisputable fact.

[maxvendor]

Still, that does not prove anything. You may be an exception from the rule.
Also while visiting London, i noticed that when Gypsies come to richer countries, they more often start having legal occupations

you realize it could be because Roma can't get a job in Poland due to the 'rule' that all gypsies are thieves right...?

anyways a global escort site that providers in any city could pay a token amount of btc to get on and advertise would be a good idea since look what happened to craigslist. could be hosted in Romania :)

[Bimmerhead]

Racist much?

gypsies are people, just like any others.

It's actually quite absurd to call me racist, because I myself am not white and in my country i have suffered a lot because of racism. But of course you cannot know that so it is not your fault.

So I think this needs some explanation.  Are you saying it is absurd to call you racist because you are not white?
Or are you saying it is absurd to call you racist because you are not white but you live in a mostly white country and have suffered racism?

[Anonymous]

Why is banning nsfw threads even considered a solution ?  Its easier to add an "ignore" button . The answer when dealing with something in an anarchistic world is to use ostracism not authoritarianism or rule by morality.

Who's morality do you judge it by with people from all over the world here ? Dont presume to speak for anyone else or claim you "represent" other people.

[Local]

Why is banning nsfw threads even considered a solution ?  Its easier to add an "ignore" button . The answer when dealing with something in an anarchistic world is to use ostracism not authoritarianism or rule by morality.

Who's morality do you judge it by with people from all over the world here ? Dont presume to speak for anyone else or claim you "represent" other people.

Ostracism includes site owners not permitting what they don't like.

[carp]

I actually would prefer we not allow such legally-questionable auctions on this forum at all. IMO Bitcoin is too important to get bogged down in such legal affairs by allowing them on its official website.

Well said, Sir.
Promoting prostitution, drugs & other illegal buisnesses should be totally banned on this forum.

Let's focus on creating a legit, stable currency, and leave other things to other places.

Illegal in what jurisdiction? Should I be able to advertise prostitution if I work out of Nevada? Will someone be appointed to check my establishment's license?

How about porn? Need I remind everyone of the trouble that the distributor "Max Hardcore" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore ended up in when one state decided to enforce its laws on people in other states because being on the internet made the porn available there?

Where are you going to draw the line, and what legal team should be retained to help make the call in questionable cases, or even to draw up the censorship policy?

Seems best to me to just stay out of such messy business of instituting a censorship regime... and for whose ultimate benefit? I mean seriously, what would such a policy actually do aside from make you feel a little better about being associated with the site yourself, because of a completely symbolic policy that does little more than shield your eyes from having to know what other people are up to?

[carp]

Why is banning nsfw threads even considered a solution ?  Its easier to add an "ignore" button . The answer when dealing with something in an anarchistic world is to use ostracism not authoritarianism or rule by morality.

Who's morality do you judge it by with people from all over the world here ? Dont presume to speak for anyone else or claim you "represent" other people.

Ostracism includes site owners not permitting what they don't like.

Actually.... funny you would mention that, I was just reading about ostracism the other day. The historical practice that is. It had little to do with owners. Actually it was a series of two votes. The first one was a simple referendum "Should we ostracize anyone?" and then, if the answer was yes, there was a vote by which names would be submitted and the "winner" got a no expense paid 10 year exile.... though... with no loss of property.

Of course, this is the internet. The idea of actually being able to ban someone from a forum that is free to sign up is kind of laughable. You can, at best, temporarily inconvenience them. Slow them down even. There is something to be said for being realistic about your capabilities.

Banning things that one "doesn't like" always seemed more than a bit myopic to me. Generally doesn't stop the activity... even if you put a big group of thugs together, call yourself a government, and go about "enforcing" your ban. I have yet to see anything other than, maybe prison, that's terribly effective at stopping people from doing what they want, and even then, only to a certain extent.

[caveden]

The more people suck off the system the quicker it will go down so im all for people doing that.

I'm not sure if that's really the case. If it was so, countries with large informal economies would be better off than countries with most of the economy formal. And that's not what we see...
Normally having to constantly hide from the mafia is harder and worse than just paying them what they force you to.

[Anonymous]

The more people suck off the system the quicker it will go down so im all for people doing that.

I'm not sure if that's really the case. If it was so, countries with large informal economies would be better off than countries with most of the economy formal. And that's not what we see...
Normally having to constantly hide from the mafia is harder and worse than just paying them what they force you to.

Thats because there is nowhere on earth to hide from the mafia


I still think the answer is an ignore button not censorship.

[Sultan]

The reason I was bought into BitCoin was purely for the fact that it was not controlled by a central authority, and there was a limited supply of.

If the first real services are going to be illegal ones, or ones that I personally consider unethical, then convincing my community to join BitCoin will be much more difficult, and thus because I cannot buy local services with it because of this, I'd rather disassociate myself with BitCoin.

A potentially revolutionised idea, hijacked by crime and thugs.

So depressing.

[nelisky]

The reason I was bought into BitCoin was purely for the fact that it was not controlled by a central authority, and there was a limited supply of.

If the first real services are going to be illegal ones, or ones that I personally consider unethical, then convincing my community to join BitCoin will be much more difficult, and thus because I cannot buy local services with it because of this, I'd rather disassociate myself with BitCoin.

A potentially revolutionised idea, hijacked by crime and thugs.

So depressing.

Ok, so money (I mean US$, EUR, etc) buys you drugs, prostitutions, assassination contracts, and lots of other nasty things. Google it, you'll find pretty much anything.

Last I heard, Unicef and other such institutions were taking money (again, US$, EUR, etc) to buy food and medicine for the poor around the globe.

I will not say I agree or disagree with any of the two things above, really, but they are on opposite sides of the 'moral scale' and still money is very much associated with the both. And with your groceries too, did you start not paying in whatever your local currency is because you can also buy sex with it???

I think the real point is not bitcoins being themselves associated with whatever, but rather this particular forum being the central repository for everything bitcoin related and thus the place people end up at when trying to learn more. It needs to stay open and free, imo, and until there's a better solution for trading 'illegal' stuff for bitcoins (heck, selling your services bathing cute puppies for bitcoins is illegal if you don't submit that in your tax form) I don't see these threads going anywhere.

I do agree that a tor hidden forum would be amazing for these trades, and a great 'plan B' if this forum is ever DoS'd. I'd love to see a full mirror available over tor, with some sections only available in the hidden one

But posting on one or the other would still be voluntary, I guess. You can't force a set of rules and then say "a major plus is that we don't get enforced rules down our wallets"... practice what you preach, I guess.

[Anonymous]

The forum is the property of whoever pays the hosting and other costs.
Its up to them what they want to allow or disallow .

For the more dainty among us its probably best to move the seedier threads to a tor hidden service. The forum isnt 4chan after all lol.





p.s.

99% of cash has drugs on it.

[markm]

Porn pretty much pioneered internet commerce.

Mainstream commerce didn't let that stop it from moving in, instead they took advantage of all the work the pioneers had already done.

-MarkM-

[Anonymous]

Porn pretty much pioneered internet commerce.

Mainstream commerce didn't let that stop it from moving in, instead they took advantage of all the work the pioneers had already done.

-MarkM-

+1   

People like to control what others are doing mainly because they themselves cant do it .

Its the stockholm syndrome.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

Still, that does not prove anything. You may be an exception from the rule.
Also while visiting London, i noticed that when Gypsies come to richer countries, they more often start having legal occupations

you realize it could be because Roma can't get a job in Poland due to the 'rule' that all gypsies are thieves right...?

Wrong. The other way around.

Dude.
There is no rule which forbids Gypsies from having legal occupations in Poland. Gypsies just are like this (scamming, thieving, begging etc), and they are doing it for centuries. It didn't start yesterday.

I am sorry, but their reputation is VERY well deserved across hundereds of years.
If they want to fix this, they should start to behave according to cultures of the countries they occupy.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

Of course, this is the internet. The idea of actually being able to ban someone from a forum that is free to sign up is kind of laughable. You can, at best, temporarily inconvenience them. Slow them down even. There is something to be said for being realistic about your capabilities.

Banning things that one "doesn't like" always seemed more than a bit myopic to me. Generally doesn't stop the activity... even if you put a big group of thugs together, call yourself a government, and go about "enforcing" your ban. I have yet to see anything other than, maybe prison, that's terribly effective at stopping people from doing what they want, and even then, only to a certain extent.

You apparently don't get why do we want to ban selling illegal stuff on this forum. Let me explain this to you.

This forum was founded by bitcoin author, or somebody closely related to him. So if owners of this forum allow prostitution, drugs, pornography etc to be traded here, then governments/courts will view this as clear proof that Bitcoin was designed with thought of doing illegal stuff.

Next step - bitcoin.org domain will be seized as illegal, and its creators will be called "drug dealers", "pimps" or "terrorists".

Let's not make it too easy for governments to shut us down.

[genjix]

Why is banning nsfw threads even considered a solution ?  Its easier to add an "ignore" button . The answer when dealing with something in an anarchistic world is to use ostracism not authoritarianism or rule by morality.

Who's morality do you judge it by with people from all over the world here ? Dont presume to speak for anyone else or claim you "represent" other people.

Banning things that one "doesn't like" always seemed more than a bit myopic to me. Generally doesn't stop the activity... even if you put a big group of thugs together, call yourself a government, and go about "enforcing" your ban. I have yet to see anything other than, maybe prison, that's terribly effective at stopping people from doing what they want, and even then, only to a certain extent.

This a million times over. Been saying this for a while.

And the whole "internet is a big place. go somewhere else" argument is false. There is only ONE bitcoin forum, and this is the best place for people to speak (free speech).

[kiba]

The bitcoin site owner/developers will needs to decide how much they are willing to offend the government for the sake of allowing consensual non-coercive offers being advertised here on this forum.

[Mahkul]

And the whole "internet is a big place. go somewhere else" argument is false. There is only ONE bitcoin forum, and this is the best place for people to speak (free speech).

There actually are quite a few bitcoin forums around. Bruce Wagner has a list on his website.

[Rоsalina]

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