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March 23, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

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Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh
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March 23, 2018, 08:00:41 PM
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I am not an expert of economics, but even I can see that Dollar has lost its value significantly. I am not sure why, but from time to time we see economic crisis and dollar involved in it, maybe because Dollar is one of worlds most used currencies. America is one of economically strongest country, but I am not sure if its economic strength is real. I have heard that US is in debt a lot, that they owe China a lot of money. If they continue on that road of debt, Dollar would be ruined. With everything that America is involved with, its no wonder that Dollar is so volatile.
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I expect dollar to actually be volatile because it is the most active  fiat, recognized and used for trade internationally. It dominates the exchanges just as bitcoin do. This is one reason. Dominating the market means multiple activities and maybe manipulation around the currency.
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America is one of economically strongest country, but I am not sure if its economic strength is real. I have heard that US is in debt a lot, that they owe China a lot of money. If they continue on that road of debt, Dollar would be ruined. With everything that America is involved with, its no wonder that Dollar is so volatile.

I don't know what to think about the economic relationship between the united states and china. I do wonder how much of china's recent economic success can be measured in china pirating patented american technology and media. China pirates everything from gaming consoles to CD's/DVD's, to technology and industrial processes which are copyrighted intellectual property which in theory should be protected under international law. China has even gone so far as to counterfeit ferraris, luxury automobiles, car parts and other brand name products.

Is it correct that china "loans" the USA money in terms of them buying US treasury bonds. I don't know if that qualifies as the united states owing china money. There could be a trade war brewing between the two nations. China recently has moved to drop the petro dollar and is seeking to denominate their oil transactions in their native currency, the yuan.

To be honest, american politicians normally bend over backwards for china. They have sold out their own country to the chinese for years. Its only recently that we're beginning to see a paradigm shift in the opposite direction, with the trade deficit between china and the USA reversing for the first time in decades.
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March 25, 2018, 12:46:15 AM
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I don't really think anyone is claiming that the USD is not volatile when they talk about BTC's volatility, it is just that BTC's volatility is much more pronounced on a day-to-day level, versus the USD with its long-term volatility.

Using your 2-liter bottle of soda example, I am fairly confident that the price in USD had remained pretty constant at $2/bottle over the last 3 months. Where I live it is actually only about $1.59, but in any event the basic premise still holds, that with the exception of temporary sales, the price of soda remains pretty constant relative to USD on a day-to-day basis.

Now if we priced that 2-liter bottle of soda in BTC, we would have:

November 1, 2017 - BTC ~$6750, bottle soda = 0.00029629 BTC
December 1, 2017 - BTC ~$10,500, bottle soda = 0.00019047 BTC
December 17, 2017 - BTC ~ $20,000, bottle soda = 0.0001000 BTC
January 1, 2018 - BTC ~$13,700, bottle soda = 0.00014598 BTC
February 6, 2018 - BTC ~$6,400, bottle soda = 0.0003125 BTC* Used instead of 1st because it represents low point
March 1, 2018 - BTC ~$11,000, bottle soda - 0.00018181 BTC

So that is what is I call volatile!

If you were selling a used car for 1 BTC, on December 15th, 2017 you would have gotten $20k for it, assuming you cashed out that same day, and not even 2 months later on February 6, 2018 you would have only got $6,400 for the same car. Now if you paid me in cash instead, the $20,000 I got in December would be pretty much still be worth $20,000 today.
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March 25, 2018, 01:45:42 AM
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America is one of economically strongest country, but I am not sure if its economic strength is real. I have heard that US is in debt a lot, that they owe China a lot of money. If they continue on that road of debt, Dollar would be ruined. With everything that America is involved with, its no wonder that Dollar is so volatile.

I don't know what to think about the economic relationship between the united states and china. I do wonder how much of china's recent economic success can be measured in china pirating patented american technology and media. China pirates everything from gaming consoles to CD's/DVD's, to technology and industrial processes which are copyrighted intellectual property which in theory should be protected under international law. China has even gone so far as to counterfeit ferraris, luxury automobiles, car parts and other brand name products.

Is it correct that china "loans" the USA money in terms of them buying US treasury bonds. I don't know if that qualifies as the united states owing china money. There could be a trade war brewing between the two nations. China recently has moved to drop the petro dollar and is seeking to denominate their oil transactions in their native currency, the yuan.

To be honest, american politicians normally bend over backwards for china. They have sold out their own country to the chinese for years. Its only recently that we're beginning to see a paradigm shift in the opposite direction, with the trade deficit between china and the USA reversing for the first time in decades.

American government falls into Chinese traps through cheap labor, cheap tax and free trade that's what makes more attractive to rich American businessmen and corporation to put investment in China and sharing some of its technology not knowing that Chinese men would pirate their products sell them very cheap and make them very rich. So this is now the current situation China are dominating vs American economy. Speaking of US dollar volatility, i think USD is still dominant but the inflation rate is unstoppable.
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March 25, 2018, 02:28:48 AM
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You are talking here of the power of inflation and how it is eating up the purchasing power of the dollar vis-a-vis the common products we are all purchasing almost everyday. Yes, in effect, you can say that it is also very volatile though this is not a very visible one unlike what we are seeing with Bitcoin which can move significantly up or down in minutes. What is happening with the American economy is a big testament of how the government and in extension the American people had been neglecting good economic policies and instead adopting non-sense policies that produced the kind of side-effects now biting the purse of the people.
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March 25, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
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America is one of economically strongest country, but I am not sure if its economic strength is real. I have heard that US is in debt a lot, that they owe China a lot of money. If they continue on that road of debt, Dollar would be ruined. With everything that America is involved with, its no wonder that Dollar is so volatile.

I don't know what to think about the economic relationship between the united states and china. I do wonder how much of china's recent economic success can be measured in china pirating patented american technology and media. China pirates everything from gaming consoles to CD's/DVD's, to technology and industrial processes which are copyrighted intellectual property which in theory should be protected under international law. China has even gone so far as to counterfeit ferraris, luxury automobiles, car parts and other brand name products.

Is it correct that china "loans" the USA money in terms of them buying US treasury bonds. I don't know if that qualifies as the united states owing china money. There could be a trade war brewing between the two nations. China recently has moved to drop the petro dollar and is seeking to denominate their oil transactions in their native currency, the yuan.

To be honest, american politicians normally bend over backwards for china. They have sold out their own country to the chinese for years. Its only recently that we're beginning to see a paradigm shift in the opposite direction, with the trade deficit between china and the USA reversing for the first time in decades.

I have found this article where we can see debt of US, but I don't know if its valid info or not.
- https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

As for piracy... well you are right when you say that it have impact on dollars strength. China have been producing copies of all kind of things, but honestly they are not as good as an original. Most of the people would go for the official thing instead of Chinese copy.
I guess all this is just part of economic war you speak of. But there are other reasons why China is rising and US dollar is getting weaker, but that is for other topic.

Its no wonder why dollar is so volatile. Dollar is one of strongest (or is it?) and most used currency in the world, many things have impact on it.
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March 25, 2018, 02:28:02 PM
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It seems like OP is a bit messed up with this question. Volatility is the frequency of the price changes. For example if today pair EUR/USD is at 1.2599, in some hours it turns to 1.2499 and tomorrow morning it is 1.2699 (I've ignored the smaller fluctuations to make a better example) then the currency is volatile (it changes frequently, to the both sides). The thing that you shwed on the chart is an inflation. It is pretty obvious that every currency devaluates with the time for many different reasons. The task of the governmental financial departments is to make the inflation low and stable to make economy grow. This is a standart and safe thing.
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March 25, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
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yes the US Dollar  also is Volatile but its volatility not every day vs Bitcoin
the bitcoin volatility every day and it is depends on the sell and buy
yes your words it is true
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March 25, 2018, 03:37:01 PM
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Something being volatile basically means it's subject to wild, rapid changes. Inflation does play a part in changes in value, but its effect is more of a long term one so I don't think it qualifies as a factor to volatility.

What I can say for certain about the USD is that compared to Bitcoin, it's completely and absolutely stable. The chart says that USD value in 1910 was only about 20% off from 10 years prior, in a pretty steep drop by its own standards. Bitcoin, on the other hand, is more than 100,000% off from just around 8 years ago, and is more than 50% off from just four months ago. The USD does move quite a bit, but it's entirely incomparable with Bitcoin in this aspect.

That being said, inflation vs. deflation is an entirely different issue.

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March 25, 2018, 03:46:49 PM
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yes the US Dollar  also is Volatile but its volatility not every day vs Bitcoin
the bitcoin volatility every day and it is depends on the sell and buy
yes your words it is true
Its not volatile at all. By defintion volatile means change rapidily and unexpected, you would never see that with the US dollar. Instead what happens is a over time they slowly bleed you out without knowing it, this is the opposite of volatile. Instead it was a stable draining of purchasing power.

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March 25, 2018, 07:48:10 PM
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

Volatility means change in value over time, so you could say that a constantly falling value constitutes volatility, although in most senses people refer to volatility to mean rapid price changes over time and generally in both an up/down motion. So it's already a stretch to call the dollar volatile within the most accepted meaning of the term. More importantly though, you have to zoom out 100 years to make an argument that the dollar is not stable. Over years, the dollar is stable. Over decades, the dollar is fairly stable. In both cases, the stability is great enough allow long term planning and storage of value and for people to be reasonably certain what their stored value will be worth for long periods of time. By contrast, Bitcoin is not stable and it does not allow for long term safety of value. To even try to compare the two is to start with a ridiculous premise.

More to the point about the dollar, these charts always show devaluation over longer periods of time than anyone holds physical money, so it purports to show a loss of value that has never actually happened to anyone. If you had a physical dollar 100 years ago, it would be depreciated, yes. But, you didn't have a dollar 100 years ago because you weren't alive 100 years ago. And the people who were alive didn't hold value in cash currency for 100 years. In short, nobody has lost 95% of their stored value due to depreciation of the dollar.

More importantly, there is no such thing as perfect money. What we have in the USD is stable over long periods of time and due to the nature of value and an inability to reliably store it in this universe, that's the best you're ever going to get.

Remember, money itself isn't value. It's a representation of value, meaning it represents real things that are produced and consumed that people want/need in the present. This is the key point here: You cannot possibly store more value than what can ever be consumed in the present, so expecting a representation of value that was created 100 years ago to hold perfectly for goods that will no longer exist when it is to be spent is unreasonable. Money depreciates necessarily over time unless we can perfectly store all the value ever created, and we cannot, because we constantly destroy value by consuming goods or through depreciation of real assets over time, and likewise, money has to lose value over time for the same reason.

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FIAT currencies have a lot less volatility than cryptocurrencies, that's a given, but their inflationary nature works against them and the economies that they serve. A stable price currency would be much better for all involved but it's difficult to think about how this would work.

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it becomes even more fun if you look at 100 years from now , the predictions for the purchasing power of 1 usd then are really bad. this is why i am excited about crypto , no artificial inlation only benefiting the rich.
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All market prices will continue to fluctuate but with far-reaching differences between cryptocurrency and fiat markets. Therefore I am very fond of the rapidly moving movement of the cryptocurrency market, with it we can take advantage of the quick moments for trading and making a profit.
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I don't know what to think about the economic relationship between the united states and china. I do wonder how much of china's recent economic success can be measured in china pirating patented american technology and media. China pirates everything from gaming consoles to CD's/DVD's, to technology and industrial processes which are copyrighted intellectual property which in theory should be protected under international law. China has even gone so far as to counterfeit ferraris, luxury automobiles, car parts and other brand name products.

The chinese like to take a lot of pride in their history and culture. They had to undergo subjugation during the modern times because of falling behind in the race for technology. With centralized leadership, they have given a whole new model of governance. A shrewd, whatever-works-goes model.
They stamped out dissenters mercilessly and now spread propaganda by making people chauvinize over South-China Sea, One-china policy etc. etc. They often raise issues with India just because they want to keep the "nationalism" issues burning. Despite it being clear that India poses no danger whatsoever to them. They are just too big.

They have shamelessly copied and reverse-engineered most western technologies. They have invested heavily in their millitary and are now well on their way to establish the silk-route lead supremacy of the old world.
They are motivated by clear selfish interests and the Chinese government acts like a selfish, shrewd individual. Normal democracies like USA, India on the other hand have to spend much more time in managing internal differences and trying to arrive at a consensus.

In terms of consensus, Chinese are like single-majority PoS while our democracies are like fairly decentralized PoW.

Despite all the platitudes offered by China regarding having no intentions to replace America, it's only a matter of time before they make the moves.  
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I don't know what to think about the economic relationship between the united states and china. I do wonder how much of china's recent economic success can be measured in china pirating patented american technology and media. China pirates everything from gaming consoles to CD's/DVD's, to technology and industrial processes which are copyrighted intellectual property which in theory should be protected under international law. China has even gone so far as to counterfeit ferraris, luxury automobiles, car parts and other brand name products.

The chinese like to take a lot of pride in their history and culture. They had to undergo subjugation during the modern times because of falling behind in the race for technology. With centralized leadership, they have given a whole new model of governance. A shrewd, whatever-works-goes model.
They stamped out dissenters mercilessly and now spread propaganda by making people chauvinize over South-China Sea, One-china policy etc. etc. They often raise issues with India just because they want to keep the "nationalism" issues burning. Despite it being clear that India poses no danger whatsoever to them. They are just too big.

They have shamelessly copied and reverse-engineered most western technologies. They have invested heavily in their millitary and are now well on their way to establish the silk-route lead supremacy of the old world.
They are motivated by clear selfish interests and the Chinese government acts like a selfish, shrewd individual. Normal democracies like USA, India on the other hand have to spend much more time in managing internal differences and trying to arrive at a consensus.

In terms of consensus, Chinese are like single-majority PoS while our democracies are like fairly decentralized PoW.

Despite all the platitudes offered by China regarding having no intentions to replace America, it's only a matter of time before they make the moves.  

It seems that China and the US are constantly at war with one another when it comes to politics and trade but the truth of it is that they each need one another. The US needs to be able to import many things from China for its continued success and China needs to export to the US. I see that it will continue like that for some time, until perhaps China feels that they can generate enough in sales nationally or from exports to other countries that they can play hard ball a little more so with the US. It reminds me almost of a larger bigger and a hungrier smaller brother. USA being the big brother who right now can win all the fights but once the little brother grows up it won't be the same story.

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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

I think volatility is not necessarily a bad or a good thing, and I think volatility is determined moreso by spikes in value in a short amount of time. Because of this, I don't think the graph you posted is pertinent to the idea of volatility, but from the graph I do see the purchasing power of the USD going down. I don't think the USD purchasing power is volatile, but I do see that it has gone down steadily over time. However, with bitcoin, you'll see spikes that either go up or down, but they happen in a much shorter amount of time. Thus, bitcoin is still more volatile than the USD, but I don't think that's in particular a bad thing.

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I expect dollar to actually be volatile because it is the most active  fiat, recognized and used for trade internationally. It dominates the exchanges just as bitcoin do. This is one reason. Dominating the market means multiple activities and maybe manipulation around the currency.
Dollar won't be so volatile because it's being controlled by the USA.
It's a centralized currency and if the currency drops, usa can just increase the interest rate, or if the currency goes higher, US can just print more cash or decrease the interest rate.
They can control the currency and they prevent it from being to volatility so the economy will stay stable.
Volatility currency isn't good for the economy in the long term.
 
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All market prices will continue to fluctuate but with far-reaching differences between cryptocurrency and fiat markets. Therefore I am very fond of the rapidly moving movement of the cryptocurrency market, with it we can take advantage of the quick moments for trading and making a profit.
It all depends on the currency with which we are making a comparison. If you are comparing the volatility of the dollar with that of the crypto currencies, then there is no such thing which can make us believe that dollar has more volatile nature. On the other hand, if you talk about making a comparison in between the volatility of dollar with respect to other regular currencies, then we can say that it has little more volatile nature.
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Not really, it is quite stable compared to bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. It does not fluctuate in value as often as bitcoin does and you are always sure of your currency.
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March 30, 2018, 08:46:54 AM
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Anything like that can be seen also in some currencies. But to make a clear comparison against bitcoin I think we should look at the graph's bottom. The purchasing power of dollar is set in the graph as a year. Maybe it would be clearer if you are putting daily, weekly or monthly graphs to see how volatile dollar is. As to the way I saw it does not show that much. It is stable.

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i think dollar index is fluctuative too. but volatile usd is not as large as bitcoin, so usd tend to be stable. i think if btc can be controlled by government then it will be more stable  like usd

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Dollars in not too volatile not like bitcoin, there's fluctuations but not that large like bitcoin. USD has a time to be stable at her price and other day there's a time that it changed a little.
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Dollars in not too volatile not like bitcoin, there's fluctuations but not that large like bitcoin. USD has a time to be stable at her price and other day there's a time that it changed a little.


Dollars as is being regulated by the government it cannot be too much volatile. It would mostly be a range bound. But it is not the case with btc as it is not being controlled and government it can freely rise or fall to any extent creating a highly volatile crypto currency.
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Dollars in not too volatile not like bitcoin, there's fluctuations but not that large like bitcoin. USD has a time to be stable at her price and other day there's a time that it changed a little.


Dollars as is being regulated by the government it cannot be too much volatile. It would mostly be a range bound. But it is not the case with btc as it is not being controlled and government it can freely rise or fall to any extent creating a highly volatile crypto currency.

First, the dollar isn't exactly regulated by the government. The Fed, which controls the money supply, is a semi-autonomous non-governmental institution, although the lines are sometimes blurred. At least it is supposed to be independent from the government and therefore politics. Second, the government cannot control what everyone's opinion of what the dollar is worth. It's not a government dictate that determines the value of the dollar, but everyone's collective confidence in the dollar that keeps the value stable. This is why hyperinflation is so difficult to control, because once people lose confidence in the value of a currency, the government is powerless to stop the value from falling. It is only by pegging a hyperinflating currency to a stable one (and of course stop printing them) or doing away with it entirely and instituting a new one that hyperinflation can be stopped.

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If you take the official statistics on inflation in the US, it is no more than 5 percent per year, already for 30 years. Inflation of the dollar directly depends on the amount of money printed by the US Federal Reserve System. Recently, the Fed continues to pump up the economy of the money supply. The more US banknotes are printed, the lower their value becomes. The growing US debt is a very unpleasant trend that devalues ​​the currencies and reserves of other countries, forcing them to support the deficit of the US state budget. The US gold reserves are already less than 2% of its continuously growing public debt.
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April 19, 2018, 04:35:38 PM
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US dollar weakness in combination with the tax reform, and fiscal growth stimuli remains highly supportive. Bonds and the rand are likely to be much more volatile.
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April 19, 2018, 11:03:09 PM
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If you take the official statistics on inflation in the US, it is no more than 5 percent per year, already for 30 years.

US inflation statistics are similar to unemployment statistics. The "official" number cited by politicians and the media do not reflect real unemployment / inflation. Real inflation is closer to 10%, it well exceeds 10% in many instances. One of the first topics "financial freedom" gurus might address is how to best beat inflation to retain or enhance the value of wealth, being how significant an obstacle to overcome inflation is.

An example of real inflation are 2 liter bottles. Less than 10 years ago, they were $0.99. Today they're $2.00. That's more than 100% price inflation in less than 10 years which amounts to more than 10% per year. Water shortages in some areas and drought related to climate change do factor into that price inflation, but still real inflation is generally agreed to be much nearer to 10% year than it is 3% annually.
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April 24, 2018, 01:22:58 AM
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I expect dollar to actually be volatile because it is the most active  fiat, recognized and used for trade internationally. It dominates the exchanges just as bitcoin do. This is one reason. Dominating the market means multiple activities and maybe manipulation around the currency.
I am not an economist but i think your idea is true. Once a currency is famous meaning used by many then its value can be volatile. Just like bitcoin. Bitcoin is used mostly by everybody so it is the most volatile crypto currency.

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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

This question deserves a detailed explanation so stay with me. The canadian dollar and the US Dollar are both affected by oil prices but DIFFERENTLY!

Oil Prices and Oil Exchange

In 2014 when OPEC (Organization of Petrol Exporters) decided that they would maintain the supply of oil despite it’s plummeting prices this had detrimental impact on the Canadian economy, because Canada is one of the largest exporters of oil to the US this meant that it became more difficult for their oil prices to remain competitive. It became more difficult for Canada to sell oil at profitable prices, this sent the Canadian economy down the drain. However the US Economy flourished because of how easy it was and still is to get oil.
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April 24, 2018, 01:46:51 AM
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Dollar purchasing power always lower year by year because after bretton woods agreement, central bank or the fed print money not back up by gold anymore. Central bank always create inflation year by year and their reason is boosting economic growth.
Volatility on dollars is too bad compare with bitcoin volatile because bitcoin volatile always rising the price, and not with dollar

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The value of the dollar is likely to continue to decline in the future. I understand that, as the government needs more dollars to buy more goods, so it must increase the supply of the dollar. In fact, every year the United States is selling American bonds to several other economic powers, and the value of these bonds, along with the decline of the dollar also falls. It's low.
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Dollar purchasing power always lower year by year because after bretton woods agreement, central bank or the fed print money not back up by gold anymore. Central bank always create inflation year by year and their reason is boosting economic growth.
Volatility on dollars is too bad compare with bitcoin volatile because bitcoin volatile always rising the price, and not with dollar

Indeed, if us dollar not use in many world for transaction, I am believe america already bankrupt because US Federal Reserve print money without proper audit and thats why we always have crisis situation.
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Dollar purchasing power always lower year by year because after bretton woods agreement, central bank or the fed print money not back up by gold anymore. Central bank always create inflation year by year and their reason is boosting economic growth.
Volatility on dollars is too bad compare with bitcoin volatile because bitcoin volatile always rising the price, and not with dollar
This may be the problem of USA in the next consecutive years. Dollar rate weakens every year, as we can see above the chart. I don't know why it happens with America but I think their debt in China really affects the downturn of their economy. Afterwards, as the dollar slowly moves down, there is a tendency that inflation occurs in whole America.
The bad thing in volatility of US dollar is that, it did not return back to its price rather, it will floorish time by time. If the US dollar devaluates, it will affect not just in USA but in the whole world since there are some countries that backed up by dollar.



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April 25, 2018, 09:09:48 AM
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Dollar purchasing power always lower year by year because after bretton woods agreement, central bank or the fed print money not back up by gold anymore. Central bank always create inflation year by year and their reason is boosting economic growth.
Volatility on dollars is too bad compare with bitcoin volatile because bitcoin volatile always rising the price, and not with dollar
but fluctuations in dollar decline i think gradually, unlike bitcoins that can dump at any time and can growth any time too. this may also be due to government policies that are less supportive for the economic sector, thus lowering dollar price

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April 25, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
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The US Dollar by definition is not volatile, but rather dying a slow death. Volatility is the liability to change rapidly and unpredictably, especially for the worse. So, to come back to the US Dollar, that are the exact opposite to definition of volatility. There is no rapid decline in the value and the decline is predictable. We know it is losing buying power at a constant rate of approximately 10% a year. Inflation will even grab some of your Bitcoin's value over time, if the price remain at it's current value.  Roll Eyes

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Honestly, there is always a volatility in value of all currencies (Crypto and FIAT). As well, It is true that the era of Bitcoin or digital currencies in general have changed all financial transactions to the best and because of their advantages, there has been a significant evolution in the number of their users over time, but it is not the main reason for US dollar decline. 

As a matter of fact, there is always a stability in the price of US dollars and most FIAT, contrary to what happens in Cryptocurrencies. For me, I think if the governments cannot destroy Bitcoin, then it sure that there will be a global reorganization of him, and may it will be the single currency, when this is achieved, I am pretty sure that FIat (Dollars, Euro) will disappear.
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Honestly, there is always a volatility in value of all currencies (Crypto and FIAT). As well, It is true that the era of Bitcoin or digital currencies in general have changed all financial transactions to the best and because of their advantages, there has been a significant evolution in the number of their users over time, but it is not the main reason for US dollar decline. 

As a matter of fact, there is always a stability in the price of US dollars and most FIAT, contrary to what happens in Cryptocurrencies. For me, I think if the governments cannot destroy Bitcoin, then it sure that there will be a global reorganization of him, and may it will be the single currency, when this is achieved, I am pretty sure that FIat (Dollars, Euro) will disappear.
Fiat currency will disappear? That will be impossible unless there is a free internet for the whole world will arise. The environment and the government will be the greatest factor if you think that the fiat will not be utilize in terms of payment methods.

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On the one hand, America is one of the economically strongest country, and on the other hand, we can surely say that its economic strength is real.
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Maybe we can compare Dollar to bitcoin but not that the fluctuation because dollar only fluctuate in just few cents from time to time unlike bitcoin because it fluctuates so much unlike dollar having a slow movement. It really takes time to feel the movement of dollar at all.
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This is not only unique with the us dollars but we can say the same for other national currency, from british pound to chinese yuan all FIAT loses its value because of inflation. The government just print money and making the value lesser each year. This is the reason why bitcoin decentralization and limited supply is better. Instead of value going down it goes up as supply is getting scarce everyday.
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I think that the US dollar is not too volatile, because it is controlled by the Federal Reserve System. In general, it is wrong to evaluate the fiat currency in the price of a bottle of soda or another commodity. I guess that the money of the developing countries are more volatile than USD, and they are loosing their purchasing power faster at the current time.
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.

https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

Considering the dollar has lost 10% of its value in the last year you could definitely make a case. Aside from that, if you look at the dollar when it was taken off the gold standard in the 70's, the prices were just as volatile if not more than what we see in crypto today!
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May 07, 2018, 12:44:34 PM
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh
This is the problem of any currency in the world. The government constantly use the issue. Without this, there will be no stability in the economy. But such stability cannot be eternal. through time, there is a financial crisis. People are losing their savings, and this is reviving the economy.

 
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May 10, 2018, 07:00:34 AM
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Dollar is one of world's most used currencies and maybe because of this it is involved in the economic crisis, which we see time to time, though I can't be absolutely sure in it.
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the graph does not show volatility, it shows a steady decline in purchasing power linked to inflation.

this applies to every fiat currency.
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Honestly, there is always a volatility in value of all currencies (Crypto and FIAT). As well, It is true that the era of Bitcoin or digital currencies in general have changed all financial transactions to the best and because of their advantages, there has been a significant evolution in the number of their users over time, but it is not the main reason for US dollar decline. 

As a matter of fact, there is always a stability in the price of US dollars and most FIAT, contrary to what happens in Cryptocurrencies. For me, I think if the governments cannot destroy Bitcoin, then it sure that there will be a global reorganization of him, and may it will be the single currency, when this is achieved, I am pretty sure that FIat (Dollars, Euro) will disappear.
Fiat currency will disappear? That will be impossible unless there is a free internet for the whole world will arise. The environment and the government will be the greatest factor if you think that the fiat will not be utilize in terms of payment methods.

Fiat currency is profitable for bankers and I am believe will not disappear. If dollar want have a good purchasing power, dollar should be controll on the supply because looks like dollar always over supplied and central banks always print it
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I am not a specialist of financial matters, but rather even I can see that Dollar has lost its esteem fundamentally. I don't know why, but rather every once in a while we see financial emergency and dollar engaged with it, perhaps on the grounds that Dollar is one of universes most utilized monetary standards. America is one of monetarily most grounded nation, yet I don't know whether its monetary quality is genuine. I have heard that US is under water a considerable measure, that they owe China and Russia a ton of cash. On the off chance that they proceed on that street of obligation, Dollar would be demolished. With everything that US is included with, its no big surprise that Dollar is so unstable.
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No the US dollar is not too much volatile but it occurs only sometimes in the history that the price increase or decrease up to 10 percent. Mostly they remain at its fixed point for a longer period and other countries who see the price of US dollar as volatile it is because of the volatility of their local currency. So we can say that no the US dollar is not too much volatile.
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That is one big advantage cryptocurrencies have over fiat and that everyone keeps neglecting. Bitcoin, and cryptocurrencies in general, are not subjected to inflation. Banks keep issuing fiat and creating inflation in a controlled manner, but the results are there for everyone to see. We are probably heading into a dead zone with fiat, and as usual, bitcoin is an amazing insurance for a world financial crisis. I really think that investing some money into bitcoin should be a no-brainer for everyone.

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May 10, 2018, 09:16:11 AM
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Fiat currencies are backed by government and definitely it's being controlled and can't directly pump its value. As we can observed, its been many years have come and still the value of dollar remain to be ranging from 45-52 if we are talking about Peso. So, this is the huge difference between fiat and crypto  about its price movement. And yes, dollar has no big chance to be being volatile due to its a centralized system.
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People seem to despise crypto for the sole reason of it being "too volatile". Yes, it can be very volatile in the short run against fiat currencies, with its value constantly moving around. However, in the long term, I believe that bitcoin will be a much better store for value, since it is decentralized, and there is a limit on the amount of coins that can ever exist, which is something that fiat does not have.

That's why I think people should actually embrace bitcoin's volatility, it means that BTC is independent from the fiat system.

The only thing consistent with fiat is its depreciative nature. Honestly, I don't see any reason for holding fiat in the long term.
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If we keep in mind all cases that America takes part in, then that is not surprising at all that dollar is sio unstable as a currency. Plus, more debts will make dollar even more weak.
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh
Though I am not an expert of these since I am not an economist, but I can say that dollar's purchasing power is easily affected by the economy. There are also problems of the world that can affect dollar since it is the currency generaly used by people all over the world.

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This is a very complex question, not the least because in most cases the volatility is measured based on the comparison with the United States Dollar. But at least when compared to the other currencies, you can say that the USD is quite stable.
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh
Maybe  theres a possibility that the purchasing power of the US dollar and  other fiat currencies are diminish,but its depends on the situation in currency exchanges in the market,but in the word that US dollar currency is to volatile i thinks thats a rare question,because as far as i know  volatility in fiat currency is depends only in the exchanges  market where did you changes your paper money to other kinds of curriencies ,but in terms of stability US dollar price is still disame and no change of occurence in the price in the market.

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I do not think that the US Dollar is volatile if you compare it with crypto-currencies, the forex trading market is still relatively much more stable as compared to the crypto-currencies trading market, and investors should beware of the huge volatility in crypto-currencies trading market if they plan to invest huge amount of money into it.

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Voltalite level is not being determined by a one trading pair, because you can not really determine what a coin is making the pair to be so volatility.
In order to determine what coin causes the pair to be volatility, you need to compare both coins with other coins, for an example, if we are talking here about the USD/BTC pair you should be comparing the USD to GBP and EURO, and also the BTC to those pairs, you would find out that BTC is much more volatility.
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It is normal to go down the value of dollars because unlike bitcoin, All people around the world known dollars and everyday it has an exchanging of money and in the natural process of course it will decrease and sometimes increase. You will know about it if you have some research for sure.

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It is an inflation and it would be nice to add a picture with the American debt to compare them together. Meanwhile dollar is the most strong currency so you just can imagine  value of a currency of developing countries comparing with dollar they are trash.
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i don't think that dollar is going to be too volatile because the USA controls it. As for me, this is not the great problem. However, I don't know how this will influence the trading and crypto currency. Hope that nothing bad will happen to the financial system
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

Nope, dollars volatility is low. Only that the economy of a country is growing that is why dollar value will decrease in that country. We can never tell that dollar is a volatile currency just because it has decreased in value, it is still applied to the law of supply and demand.

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I hope not though I don’t know actually. But there has the strong possibility of Volatile because China is increasing his economy day by day. now China is participation in every sector of the world market. They are strong enough in the technology. They invented so many new technology day by day. In printing patented technology, chin got massive success. They also participated in the gaming CD’c/ DVD. Even they produce may luxuries thinks with low cost and marketing them in the world market. In recent economy, China got massive success. So if the China money will be number one currency, it will not the surprising thing in future.
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I am not a specialist of financial matters, but rather even I can see that Dollar has lost its esteem fundamentally. I don't know why, but rather every once in a while we see financial emergency and dollar engaged with it, perhaps on the grounds that Dollar is one of universes most utilized monetary standards. America is one of monetarily most grounded nation, yet I don't know whether its monetary quality is genuine. I have heard that US is under water a considerable measure, that they owe China and Russia a ton of cash. On the off chance that they proceed on that street of obligation, Dollar would be demolished. With everything that US is included with, its no big surprise that Dollar is so unstable.
America is facing too many troubles these days or you can say that Donald didn’t prove to be lucky for his country. It appears to me you have just seen the positive side that this state portrays but have no idea about what negativities it holds. First of all, you should look at the debts that it has borrowed from China. You should also give a look at the support it is receiving from all over the world. Days of dollars are gone.
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I do not think that the US Dollar is volatile if you compare it with crypto-currencies, the forex trading market is still relatively much more stable as compared to the crypto-currencies trading market, and investors should beware of the huge volatility in crypto-currencies trading market if they plan to invest huge amount of money into it.
US dollar is no volatile. It is constant and other thing is that we have nothing to do with the price of US dollar. I know that US dollar is used worldwide but it is not the currency of the world. If we compare US dollar to cryptocurrency we will find that cryptocurrency is more volatile and mostly small country take affect from the price of US dollar. Big economies do not take any influence from US dollar like china, Europe etc.
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Voltalite level is not being determined by a one trading pair, because you can not really determine what a coin is making the pair to be so volatility.
In order to determine what coin causes the pair to be volatility, you need to compare both coins with other coins, for an example, if we are talking here about the USD/BTC pair you should be comparing the USD to GBP and EURO, and also the BTC to those pairs, you would find out that BTC is much more volatility.

Everyone outside USA will compare US dollar with his local currency and not with cryptocurrency, because when a person calculate his deficit or earnings he will multiply dollar with his local currency. It means that volatility will be in his local currency and not in US dollar. I think that US dollar is constant and there is no volatility in the price.
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It is normal to go down the value of dollars because unlike bitcoin, All people around the world known dollars and everyday it has an exchanging of money and in the natural process of course it will decrease and sometimes increase. You will know about it if you have some research for sure.
I do not know which perspectives are you talking from but generally speaking the volatility of the US dollar depends on the value of your own currency. If there is devaluation in your country’s currency, the dollar will rise of course. If you are talking about the volatility of USD in terms of the price of Bitcoin, so it is not the volatility of USD but that of Bitcoin due to fluctuation in the market prices due to fluctuation in the demand for the coin.

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Yes, I agree that the dollar is really extremely volatile. No need to blame BTC that it is the most volatile currency because it is not true. I think that BTC will take the place of dollar in the future. It has all necessary features for this
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Yes, I agree that the dollar is really extremely volatile. No need to blame BTC that it is the most volatile currency because it is not true. I think that BTC will take the place of dollar in the future. It has all necessary features for this
when we compare the volatility rate of bitcoin with the US dollar then bitcoin will be the giant volatile but we need to have stable price if we want bitcoin to be used as a currency.This can be only achieved through mass adoption but the volatility of US dollar is due to inflation and deflation so the voltility of bitcoin is actually good and this volatility made the bitcoin very famous in short term.But in future hopefully the price of bitcoin will stable and better to use it for daily transactions.
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I think everyone knows that the dollar US is a volatile currency because of the obvious reasons. It is volatile because it is used all over the world and every trader uses dollars as the main currency
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May 19, 2018, 08:18:35 AM
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The U.S dollar is not volatile as you think it is. As for the declining, I think that’s normal with every currency. Just take a look at other currencies or maybe your own country’s currency it’s possible that it might have declined too and things also might have gotten costly. Just like in my country, thing are not like it used to be before and everything is now costly. Our currency is able to compete with the U.S dollar back then, but now it’s worst. So no matter what this chart shows, the U.S Dollar remains the number one currency.

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I major reason most people tend to like bitcoin or cryptocurrency is the deep disappointment by our traditional fiat currency. I do not know about other countries, in my country our fiat currency looses value on daily basis. If you purchase something today with a certain amount when you want to buy the same thing in the next six month the price will double. So our fiat currency is also volatile if we want to look at it from that angle.
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When one should talk about volatility in the market value of currency bitcoin volatile should not be in any way compared to Dollar volatile nature as dollar is more stable as compare to any other currency. 
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May 19, 2018, 09:18:38 AM
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True, the US dollar is slowly losing value. In my opinion, the dollar is no longer as high as before electronic money appeared. Maybe someday people will use electronic money rather than dollars
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May 19, 2018, 09:45:42 AM
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I think the dollar is not easily volatile. This is not easy to do. America is the world's most valuable currency to become the official currency of the United States. And is the economic value of some countries in the world. It is not easy to evaporate despite the new currency.
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.

https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh



i am not an expert in economics. i think dollar is just so consistent in it’s value. but dollar also has some ups and downs. money acquires value through its familiarity or its fluency. 
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

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May 20, 2018, 07:25:24 PM
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Yes, I agree that the dollar is really extremely volatile. No need to blame BTC that it is the most volatile currency because it is not true. I think that BTC will take the place of dollar in the future. It has all necessary features for this
You are absolutely true bitcoin is volatile but at the same time dollar is also volatile, its price use to change all the time as if today price of bitcoin is high them tomorrow it will be low but it does benefit for us, as most of people buy at low and sell high and some use to wait for the price get down as they like volatility it for good of us, on the other hand dollar has no use to be volatile so I for me bitcoin is the best currency which is full of profit.
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May 23, 2018, 08:17:50 AM
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It is normal to go down the value of dollars because unlike bitcoin, All people around the world known dollars and everyday it has an exchanging of money and in the natural process of course it will decrease and sometimes increase. You will know about it if you have some research for sure.
If you are talking about the value of Bitcoin in terms of US dollar, let me make it clear that it is not always the dollar that is volatile but the Bitcoin also whose value changes with the fluctuation in the market demand. The rise in the market demand rises its value and vice versa. Same could be said for the dollar. When Pakistan threatened to trade in Yuan, there was a huge chance that the value of dollar would fall but it did not happen and America softened for she never wants the dollar to fall to its knees in the international market.
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It is normal to go down the value of dollars because unlike bitcoin, All people around the world known dollars and everyday it has an exchanging of money and in the natural process of course it will decrease and sometimes increase. You will know about it if you have some research for sure.
If you are talking about the value of Bitcoin in terms of US dollar, let me make it clear that it is not always the dollar that is volatile but the Bitcoin also whose value changes with the fluctuation in the market demand. The rise in the market demand rises its value and vice versa. Same could be said for the dollar. When Pakistan threatened to trade in Yuan, there was a huge chance that the value of dollar would fall but it did not happen and America softened for she never wants the dollar to fall to its knees in the international market.
Isn't it obvious since few years ago that bitcoin is volatile? I think we're here talking how about USD can be volatile too when so many people are murmuring that bitcoin is just ridiculously volatile while they money they worshipped at is actually the same, it's just funny enough to see people across the world believing in a paper money with no more gold backup and people still skeptical about how bitcoin didnt have underlying value.

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May 23, 2018, 09:31:02 AM
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Actually I think you are trying to suggest in the graph that the US dollar is really volatile  like bitcoin or may even be worse. I like how you presented your evidence but your analysis could not be so comprehensive and impressive. Note that the purchasing power of dollars do not directly describe volatility. For me the graph could mean a change in value of a product to purchase and not just a change in the value of dollar. Remember the rule of supply and demand? When a product's total supply drops, the purchasing power of dollars will then be weakened due to a higher price that will be imposed to it. The value of dollar in this case do not actually change but a product's value did change as it is needed. This is not a clear example of volatility but a natural and immediate response that we could see after some changes in the market. Another reason why I think this is not comprehensive, is that the graph presented covers a year long of events which fails to describe a daily, weekly or at least monthly reports to let allow us to see clearly how dollar drops in value.
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May 23, 2018, 09:51:54 AM
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I do understand that the general nature of dollar is very unstable, since this currency is used so often to trade all over the world.
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May 23, 2018, 07:55:49 PM
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I do understand that the general nature of dollar is very unstable, since this currency is used so often to trade all over the world.
Yeah that is right. Dollars are so volatile too like bitcoins. Although dollars are being used globally and everything is just being dealt in dollars but still this currency isn’t stable enough as it would be. So don’t worry about bitcoins as well. Everything here isn’t stable even if you just check gold, it is a bit unstable at its own side. This really doesn’t affect the performance of that currency.
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It isn't just something that can "possibly" happen, it's what always happened and what will continue to happen with every single fiat currency globally. The reason is simple - its supply is controlled by one single organization, instead of decentralized like gold and bitcoin.

USD isn't money. Money needs to be a store of value in the long run, and USD clearly isn't that, nor is any fiat.

We know that bitcoin is a good store of value, and is decentralized with no central manipulator of supply. To me, that presents a much better place to hold my own wealth despite the popular opinion being that bitcoin is too volatile. In the long term, no fiat ever survives. Not even the USD.

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Dollar has lost its value and I can surely say it though I'm not an expert of economics.
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May 25, 2018, 08:12:14 AM
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I don't think you can compare the volatility of USD to BTC or any crypto currencies. USD may rise and fall but only in cents in the past months. That kind of movement is technically volatile but still ok by investors' books. BTC on the other hand is very volatile that business men don't trust it. But given a few more years, we will see a more stable crypto currency. Just you wait.

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Dollar has lost its value and I can surely say it though I'm not an expert of economics.
It is not just dollar, every other currency of the world is volatile because they all are interlinked and the effect on one disturbs rest as well. The changes in the values are observed because every year, the buyers and sellers change in number.

The factors that affect the buying tendency of the buyers do not remain constant. Dollar is also volatile but the volatility in fiats is not as much prominent as that of bitcoin.
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As for me, I've heard that US owe China a lot of money, so they are in debt.
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May 29, 2018, 05:37:10 AM
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It is in it nature that dollars or fiat can be volatile too, the value always depends on the demand-supply of money and on its circulation around, over the country.
It has slowly lost its value, yes, but compare it with other economies - it has more valuable than most; it depends on the economic performance.
Well, it is not as volatile as bitcoin that it basically becomes a hassle in adjusting prices so constantly.
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Value of the dollar and the dollar index fell not to talk, the dollar compared to mark mark very much (such as the United States and the country's real estate investment contrast, the United States and its consumer price index, as well as the world's consumer price index and real estate). Such calculations are complicated, so it is hard to use devaluations.
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Too volatile would be an extreme word but all currencies suffer inflation, it's up to the central bank's to correct it
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Yes the purchasing power of USD and other fiat currencies are decreasing and it is no more a secret.It might be due to the printing of USD infinitely causing deflation.

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Value of the dollar and the dollar index fell not to talk, the dollar compared to mark mark very much (such as the United States and the country's real estate investment contrast, the United States and its consumer price index, as well as the world's consumer price index and real estate). Such calculations are complicated, so it is hard to use devaluations.
In my opinion, the value of USD is quite stable, they fluctuate or the difference is only a little bit not too much. If we choose safe holdings between gold and USD I will choose usd as they are stable and I am confident in the big economies that have used the US dollar, they will grow their strong economy in the future. And usd co more and more valuable.
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In my opinion, the value of the dollar is stable, probably only after the Japanese yen. For many reasons, currencies may have volatility in value, and the US dollar is not out of the rules. But if it dollar is volatile then it is not reasonable. So, keeping dollars in one's personal fortune is not a worry. Unless there are several billion dollars in your account.
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Not too volatile as like cryptocurrency. But US dollar is the most used currency in the market so expected the up and down of the exchange to other currencies.
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Value of the dollar and the dollar index fell not to talk, the dollar compared to mark mark very much (such as the United States and the country's real estate investment contrast, the United States and its consumer price index, as well as the world's consumer price index and real estate). Such calculations are complicated, so it is hard to use devaluations.
In my opinion, the value of USD is quite stable, they fluctuate or the difference is only a little bit not too much. If we choose safe holdings between gold and USD I will choose usd as they are stable and I am confident in the big economies that have used the US dollar, they will grow their strong economy in the future. And usd co more and more valuable.

It is only over very long periods of time (multiple decades) that the loss of value due to inflation is noticed in the USD. Year to year, there is very small change in the value of money. People commonly point out that the dollar has lost 98% of its value over the last 100 years, but nobody alive today had cash 100 years ago so nobody suffered that loss. It's a point that doesn't have a real world application. Further, all of the products and services that created that money 100 years ago no longer exist or are deeply depreciated themselves as assets, so it would only make sense that the money that represents those items is worth significantly less. The problem stems from the inability to store value indefinitely, which is why loss of value is a necessary component of money.

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And that is when the government supports it and will take every step possible to prevent the volatility. It will be thing of past with increasing dominance of bitcoins.
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Usd is one of the more stable currency out there.
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As for me, I've heard that US owe China a lot of money, so they are in debt.
Why so much debt? Can you explain it to everyone? And the dollar is so volatile?
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I do not think that . I see the value of the dollar is very stable. To say it is volatile I do not feel right. With the current president of the US is embargo the money transfer business to foreign investment. So evaporation is impossible.
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August 08, 2018, 10:15:54 PM
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I don't think so, and I am not accepting your idea of volatility as presented. While it is true that the US dollar might have change extremely in a span of ten years, consider also that there are events that could have happened during those years. I didn't do a lot of research but the year around 1910 to 1920 but that is the time when the economy might not be fairly well and there were a lot of chaos or civil war and unemployment most probably. When movies and other industries are doing good around 1930 to 1940 it did make a  rise to dollar but goes dropping again during the world war 2. And also notice that 10 years was a very long year to consider for the volatility. So I am not agreeing with you certainly.

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America is a country with a strong economy and stability. So the US dollar is very stable on price. To say the volatile US dollar I find is not true for this currency.
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America is one of economically strongest country, but I am not sure if its economic strength is real. I have heard that US is in debt a lot, that they owe China a lot of money. If they continue on that road of debt, Dollar would be ruined. With everything that America is involved with, its no wonder that Dollar is so volatile.

I don't know what to think about the economic relationship between the united states and china. I do wonder how much of china's recent economic success can be measured in china pirating patented american technology and media. China pirates everything from gaming consoles to CD's/DVD's, to technology and industrial processes which are copyrighted intellectual property which in theory should be protected under international law. China has even gone so far as to counterfeit ferraris, luxury automobiles, car parts and other brand name products.

Is it correct that china "loans" the USA money in terms of them buying US treasury bonds. I don't know if that qualifies as the united states owing china money. There could be a trade war brewing between the two nations. China recently has moved to drop the petro dollar and is seeking to denominate their oil transactions in their native currency, the yuan.

To be honest, american politicians normally bend over backwards for china. They have sold out their own country to the chinese for years. Its only recently that we're beginning to see a paradigm shift in the opposite direction, with the trade deficit between china and the USA reversing for the first time in decades.

China quite literally props up the US economy by continuing to buy it's debt through bond sales, along with a handful of other countries like Saudi Arabia and Japan (but Japan is in such a deep hole now too that they don't really count anymore). If China decided to stop funding American debt, it could very well default unless a different course of action was taken. I'm just taking a wild guess here, but something tells me that's why Putin and Xi have been hanging out so much lately

The US Dollar is not volatile, it's becoming more and more worthless. Volatility implies an increase in price as well, and we've just seen a steady decline over the years as inflation takes its toll and lowers the purchasing power. But wages are rising too, so it's a never ending race...
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The dollar is relatively well protected against the currencies of other countries, and the yuan has fallen a lot recently, but gold is the best bet.


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I do not think that . I see the value of the dollar is very stable. To say it is volatile I do not feel right. With the current president of the US is embargo the money transfer business to foreign investment. So evaporation is impossible.
In this case, because there was a trade war between the United States and China, the US dollar experienced fluctuations which caused many developing countries to be affected, because to strengthen the value of the dollar, they raised import duties on Chinese products.
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I think that is the change due to high inflation. You should not take only one country for example. I think you should give the charts of many developing countries like the United States for the most accurate comparison. I think that is the common ground and the country which promotes high inflation.

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Fiat currency, especially the dollar is relatively stable when compared to a cryptocurrency like bitcoin. The main stream media will stop targeting this weakness in volatility, that is why blockchain innovations like Mfhcain should be fully supported by the crypto community. Their mf2x protocol is design to give both users and merchants the leverage by providing an instant crypto-fiat conversion, this protects merchants and all users by allowing them chose whether to keep their payments in crypto or fiat. The criticism coming from mainstream media just point to the inherent potential untapped within the blockchain ecosystem. That is why i will gladly support any innovation tackling this challenges.
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Today, it seems everywhere you look there are negative things being said about bitcoin volatility.

To break up the monotony of borish media sources endlessly discussing btc volatility as if they have nothing better to do than beat dead horses 24/7/365, let's change the subject to a more neglected topic, that of: fiat volatility.  Smiley

Behold exhibit A.



Image link: https://i.imgur.com/km3TFeR.jpg

This chart would appear to contradict what many say about the US dollar representing a stable value. The buying power of the US dollar appears to be declining significantly over time.

Example of the purchasing power of the US dollar declining: a 2 liter bottle of soda used to cost $1.00 in the united states, not long ago. Today it costs $2.00. If the paradigm shift from $1 to $2 occurs over a 10 year period, we might say that inflation is occurring @ a rate of 10% per year or the dollar is losing 10% of its value per year in contrast to purchasing food items like 2 liter bottles of soda. This precedent of diminishing fiat buying power could apply over our global economy.

So it is possible the purchasing power of the US dollar and other fiat currencies are diminishing significantly over time.

What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

Maybe other country is just gaining some strength over their economy and dollar prices will be affected by that because other people will lose interest for it.
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What are everyones thoughts on this?   Huh

Really, this shit has been posted a shitload of times already. I remember you posting this chart a few times here, didn't you? But never mind, to make sense you should combine it with the growth in average hourly pay within the same time span. Then you would see the real, wages-adjusted value of the dollar, which has likely even increased due to technological improvements during the last 100 years.

Seriously, if you want to assess the dollar volatility, you should look at the USDX, the index which reflects the dollar strength against the basket of major currencies.
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The dollar is not volatile but the politics of USA is insanely volatile which reflects on the american economy heavily considering they are a big part capitalist country that almost lets its citizens die from a simple sickness if they do not have money for hospitals (which are so expensive that people commonly say no to ambulances).

Now considering there has been a republican president (father Bush) than democrat president (Bill Clinton) than republican (g.w.bush) than democrat (Obama) than republican (trump) we can clearly say that Americans are really heavy on their democracy, obviously no one runs that country for too long and every side gets their chance and considering all around the world parties that take the presidency usually stays there for a long time its great that parties change constantly in USA, however that means politics and laws and how the country is run changes as well with each time which means there are always turmoil and changes that affect the economy there constantly, that is why dollar seems "volatile" whereas it probably is not.
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That is on a timeline of decades and we can chuck it up to inflation rate that I don't have any idea who came up with it. This isn't exclusive only to USD, the same could be said to almost every othet currency in the globe because again inflation. Compared to crypto currency, Fiat's volatility is inconsequential but time will tell when crypto currency can be adopted.

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October 22, 2018, 08:00:23 AM
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As for me, I've heard that US owe China a lot of money, so they are in debt.
Why so much debt? Can you explain it to everyone? And the dollar is so volatile?
Dollars in my country rapidly increase. I think yes its volatile but not same as bitcoin and cryptocurrency. We can call it volatile but not highly volatile.
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October 23, 2018, 05:53:31 AM
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As for me, I've heard that US owe China a lot of money, so they are in debt.
Why so much debt? Can you explain it to everyone? And the dollar is so volatile?
Dollars take some months or years to increase and decrease also there's no right predict for dollars.I think with increasing of  dollars we can make some profit while selling our bitcoins.
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October 23, 2018, 06:10:46 AM
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The reason why the US dollar is stable is because the US dollar is an international currency and is the first of the four or five largest international currencies.
The dollar is accepted by many countries, and the dollar has a good resource base!
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October 23, 2018, 06:14:43 AM
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What attracts me to bitcoin Was The ability to increase in value when the price of things also increase. We are certain that fiat currency lacks that ability. Fiat makes a man to be in financial slave, to be able to pay your bills comfortably you have to increase your working strength while with cryptocurrencies as the prices of things are appreciating so your cryptocurrencies are appreciating.  So cryptocurrency will give the opposite of that chart.

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October 23, 2018, 06:36:31 AM
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i think USD has a volatile dollar, but indeed compared to other fiat currencies, it is more stable. so as a reference from other national currencies. but i think more volatile cryptocurrency

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October 23, 2018, 07:21:21 AM
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I don't think volatility is applicable for US dollar considering that its market value remains to be stable through the years. If there were times it became volatile, but its value is almost the same.

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yes the US Dollar  also is Volatile but its volatility not every day vs Bitcoin
the bitcoin volatility every day and it is depends on the sell and buy
yes your words it is true
That is because the volatility of dollar can be minimized by the government, while the volatility of bitcoin is very high because no one can regulates it, all depends on demand, but from what we saw above, the value of dollar always shows a decreasing average, unlike bitcoin whose value is more higher despite its volatility is high
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As for me, I've heard that US owe China a lot of money, so they are in debt.
Why so much debt? Can you explain it to everyone? And the dollar is so volatile?
Dollars in my country rapidly increase. I think yes its volatile but not same as bitcoin and cryptocurrency. We can call it volatile but not highly volatile.
Well politics is something that can affect the value of a currency within no time and since we have a cold war going on these days between US and Turkey, China and Russia, this is natural to have fluctuation in the dollar value.

It is going up in my country as well and this is good in one way that those countries where the dollar is rising are having their exports increased immensely. And since China is the country which is using the large number of US dollars, any decrease in its demand for USD can bring down the value of USD in market.
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The short-term is unlikely, the dollar is still strong now, this is caused by Trump, but this is not completely good, when the dollar releases side effects, the world will fall into a financial crisis.

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October 24, 2018, 09:31:53 AM
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That is on a timeline of decades and we can chuck it up to inflation rate that I don't have any idea who came up with it. This isn't exclusive only to USD, the same could be said to almost every othet currency in the globe because again inflation. Compared to crypto currency, Fiat's volatility is inconsequential but time will tell when crypto currency can be adopted.
I would not even say something losing its value over time for a long period of years to be volatile. A lot of things change every day, based on the value those things create and obviously we cannot expect dollar value to remain the same from what it was centuries ago or more than.

Even if we are to say cryptocurrency is going to be adopted, have you imagined buying a house for 30btc late last year and wanting to collect bitcoin for the same apartment now? That is what I call volatility as far as I am concerned. USD is controlled and it only represents value for something, and even though I am not a fan of fiat and some economic and monetary policies, this is incomparable when we are talking about volatility.
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October 25, 2018, 09:16:30 AM
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I do not think that . I see the value of the dollar is very stable. To say it is volatile I do not feel right. With the current president of the US is embargo the money transfer business to foreign investment. So evaporation is impossible.

Now, it is not volatile at all. In the times of the depression, the price of the dollar was swinging greatly. Volatility is not the main characteristic of the USD. The cryptocurrencies are fluctuating constantly.
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As for me, I've heard that US owe China a lot of money, so they are in debt.
Why so much debt? Can you explain it to everyone? And the dollar is so volatile?
Dollars in my country rapidly increase. I think yes its volatile but not same as bitcoin and cryptocurrency. We can call it volatile but not highly volatile.
Well, if we are looking at the increase we are talking about in your country, which is simply because your own country's currency and economy is messed up.

Normally, if we are looking at volatility, we certainly want to be looking at it against other currencies, but in this essence, looking at the purchasing power of dollar, we obviously would not have expected things to be the same way years back, everything somehow depreciates in value but that does not surmount to volatility in this stead. I may be wrong, but I feel there is no way we can be comparing the volatility in the cryptocurrency space at the moment, to volatility in fiat. No!
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October 25, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
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yes the US Dollar  also is Volatile but its volatility not every day vs Bitcoin
the bitcoin volatility every day and it is depends on the sell and buy
yes your words it is true

But then the volatility of USD is not really seen because it is the currency that is used to measure any other currency, it is like the basis on how we look to other currency. If we see the value of bitcoin without even a comparison to fiat, usd to be specific, then we can see bitcoin just like how we look to USD.

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yes the US Dollar  also is Volatile but its volatility not every day vs Bitcoin
the bitcoin volatility every day and it is depends on the sell and buy
yes your words it is true

But then the volatility of USD is not really seen because it is the currency that is used to measure any other currency, it is like the basis on how we look to other currency. If we see the value of bitcoin without even a comparison to fiat, usd to be specific, then we can see bitcoin just like how we look to USD.
Yes, that was in my mind too. USD volatilization versus Bitcoin it has a big different thing between these two currencies. The fiat currency is too low volatile and it is maintained the range in the value of the world market which dollar currency acts like who leading all fiats in every country. Meanwhile, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency are too volatile it fluctuates every now and then.
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October 27, 2018, 09:37:16 AM
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The short-term is unlikely, the dollar is still strong now, this is caused by Trump, but this is not completely good, when the dollar releases side effects, the world will fall into a financial crisis.
Yes, overall the dollar is not volatile at all. Rather it is most stable currency for the past decade. Currently the political things are unstable which is causing the dollar value to shuffle.
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October 27, 2018, 04:37:09 PM
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We witness to many changes even in a day and obviously we are having difficulties to predict dollar value. If we look at the short-term, this is caused by Trump. Trump is trying to use dollar as a weapon. For now, he reached results which he wanted but this is not completely good. Because he causes not only fluctuations on countries economies but also dollar releases side effects, the world may fall into a financial crisis.
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There will be some fluctuations on every asset like dollar. It is a normal thing and there is no need to exaggerate it. Although dollar is not only asset and it has politic components.

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I want to ask it back "Is the US dollar too volatile?" I think not simply because i didn't see a drastic rise and fall of its value and through the years, US dollar remained its market value.

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October 28, 2018, 04:08:37 AM
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Compare with bitcoin, USD purchasing power always decrease year on year. Its because inflation and its because The Fed always print paper money. Different with USD, bitcoin purchasing power always increasing because total supply already fixed and its can not change and no one authorities can control the supply

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October 29, 2018, 06:27:16 AM
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The short-term is unlikely, the dollar is still strong now, this is caused by Trump, but this is not completely good, when the dollar releases side effects, the world will fall into a financial crisis.

But still, it is strange to talk about dollar volatility now. It is the best world currency (I mean fiat, sure). All the people wish to have USD as this money is strong. Volatility is the feature of the crypto.
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I don't think you will consider the US Dollar as volatile based on your little table there. I think it will be more like how the US dollar is affected by inflation and the depreciating valie if the US dollar through the decades. I mean it is true with almost every nation on the planet. I just hope we can find a way to flip this.

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yes the US Dollar  also is Volatile but its volatility not every day vs Bitcoin
the bitcoin volatility every day and it is depends on the sell and buy
yes your words it is true

But then the volatility of USD is not really seen because it is the currency that is used to measure any other currency, it is like the basis on how we look to other currency. If we see the value of bitcoin without even a comparison to fiat, usd to be specific, then we can see bitcoin just like how we look to USD.
No, the US dollar is not too volatile as if you look at other currencies you will find it more volatile as compared to US dollar. Bitcoin though a digital currency is the most volatile currency as we noticed and have been noticing. Volatility in any currency can be reduced if liquidity increases that is the increase of market participants for that currency.

US dollar investment is also of great importance as it is the need of many countries in order to strengthen their economy but the modern world is looking for crypto especially for the Bitcoin.
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The short-term is unlikely, the dollar is still strong now, this is caused by Trump, but this is not completely good, when the dollar releases side effects, the world will fall into a financial crisis.

But still, it is strange to talk about dollar volatility now. It is the best world currency (I mean fiat, sure). All the people wish to have USD as this money is strong. Volatility is the feature of the crypto.
Best currency in terms of they have been the power house and USD is the most used currency in the world ?
I would not tag it as the best just because of that, considering that USD has been losing its value and purchasing power over the years but really as a layman, it may be hard to understand that, but where you are not getting the gist is that, more money being printed, leading to inflation and so many other bullshits is one of the reasons that some common man get to suffer it at the end, but since it is a common man, he probably will not understand that the fiat space sucks.

Happy now to have an alternative, this is the main thing over the years, which have always been giving me great hope of the idea of freedom from the fiat world.
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October 30, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
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Dollar value isn't that volatile, but the economy that has got disturbed around the world countries have made a large deflection in the value of dollar respectively. This is simply hard to resist and get recovered from the crisis. Very few countries upon their varied plans withstand with minor corrections on dollar with respect to their traditional currency value.
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October 30, 2018, 01:24:17 PM
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LOL... are you saying that the United States Dollar is volatile? It would rate it as the most stable fiat currency in the world right now. Because almost all the other fiat currencies are going down against the USD.
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October 30, 2018, 03:42:18 PM
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US dollar isn't that volatile compared to Bitcoin and crypto's volatility. The dollar and almost all the other fiat and local currencies have a stable value almost, their market is also somehow stable. The volatility is a feature of crypto prices, and that's why the crypto market is unstable.
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yes the US Dollar  also is Volatile but its volatility not every day vs Bitcoin
the bitcoin volatility every day and it is depends on the sell and buy
yes your words it is true

But then the volatility of USD is not really seen because it is the currency that is used to measure any other currency, it is like the basis on how we look to other currency. If we see the value of bitcoin without even a comparison to fiat, usd to be specific, then we can see bitcoin just like how we look to USD.
Exactly. That is the concept by the way. There is fluctuation in the relative values and you do not know the currency that is actually fluctuating. It might be your currency devaluing if the price of dollar is rising and it might be your currency gaining worth if the later declines.

On the other hand, the value of dollar may stay on the same level and you might call it volatility due to fluctuation in the worth of your currency. Same could be said for Bitcoin so yes if we avoid measuring BTC in USD, and just look at BTC, it would be like if you are looking or scaling any ordinary currency.
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Similar to other currencies does not only occur in cryptocurrency, which as we know volatile, that occurs very significantly every day and also has a high risk. This is certainly not like the volatile dollar that occurs only at certain times.

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October 31, 2018, 06:58:57 AM
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Similar to other currencies does not only occur in cryptocurrency, which as we know volatile, that occurs very significantly every day and also has a high risk. This is certainly not like the volatile dollar that occurs only at certain times.
indeed dollar has volatile too, but indeed there is a greater cryptocurrency, and indeed all types of fiat currencies have volatile. you can pay attention to the movement of dollar in dollar index pair
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I think America is one of the most economically powerful countries. That is why the dollar is not terrible. It is beneficial for us.
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October 31, 2018, 08:34:43 AM
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The short-term is unlikely, the dollar is still strong now, this is caused by Trump, but this is not completely good, when the dollar releases side effects, the world will fall into a financial crisis.
Yes, overall the dollar is not volatile at all. Rather it is most stable currency for the past decade. Currently the political things are unstable which is causing the dollar value to shuffle.
Well for me, I think nothing has been stable for more than few years keeping all the stockholders in consideration. People are different and they behave different to different things. For dollar, like you have said, different governments of US have been dealing with it in different scenarios. Some have worked it amazingly and some ruin their efforts simply. So this is regular thing.
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Truly, inflation is an accepted part of the economy, but let's not forget, that the salaries are also rising, and not just the purchasing power decrease. So it is a little bit different, than what we see in cryptocurrencies, where prices fluctuates more rapidly. So all together, Fiat is still more stable, but it does not mean of course, dollar is a better investment, than Bitcoin for example.

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October 31, 2018, 04:02:47 PM
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Compare with bitcoin, USD purchasing power always decrease year on year. Its because inflation and its because The Fed always print paper money. Different with USD, bitcoin purchasing power always increasing because total supply already fixed and its can not change and no one authorities can control the supply
Probably one of the reasons Trump said Feds are just the problem. Well, the truth is that over the years, USD has been losing its purchasing power, but the funny part is that more USD just keeps getting printed and then we just get to see the people getting to know what the government want them to know in most cases, that the value is still there.

It is a controlled system with its huge flaws and there is apparently no doubt that since the beginning, US Dollar has not been losing it. However, it still remains the globally adopted currency anyway which is one of the reasons why it will keep thriving. I can imagine what it would be like to see bitcoin taking that space?
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November 05, 2018, 04:22:26 AM
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Compare with bitcoin, USD purchasing power always decrease year on year. Its because inflation and its because The Fed always print paper money. Different with USD, bitcoin purchasing power always increasing because total supply already fixed and its can not change and no one authorities can control the supply
Probably one of the reasons Trump said Feds are just the problem. Well, the truth is that over the years, USD has been losing its purchasing power, but the funny part is that more USD just keeps getting printed and then we just get to see the people getting to know what the government want them to know in most cases, that the value is still there.

It is a controlled system with its huge flaws and there is apparently no doubt that since the beginning, US Dollar has not been losing it. However, it still remains the globally adopted currency anyway which is one of the reasons why it will keep thriving. I can imagine what it would be like to see bitcoin taking that space?

US dollar is one of the most stable currency in the world and that for me nothing can beat it. And yes US dollar was never been losing.
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November 05, 2018, 04:27:38 AM
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I don't think that US Dollar is too volatile because the only thing that is happening in the US Dollar is a correction since the global economy is on decline right now but it is not that volatile like the stock market's price movement or even the cryptocurrency which is the most volatile for me.
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November 05, 2018, 04:52:58 AM
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In what I can see as a normal person who has no background knowledge about the volatility of our current currencies today, I can see that dollar is one of the strongest currency world wide, I can see most of the currency losing value while dollar just keeps going up, if not, it just maintain its value and very seldom does it go down. So I think dollar is not volatile, Ive seen what volatile looks like and it is nothing like dollar.

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As i understand, a volatile is the way how fast a certain matter evaporates. As to cryptonomics, volatility is making other people rich while others hate cryptos too. But in the case of fiat as in US Dollar, i can't describe it as volatile at all because its value remains the same for years.

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November 18, 2018, 11:55:03 AM
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As i understand, a volatile is the way how fast a certain matter evaporates. As to cryptonomics, volatility is making other people rich while others hate cryptos too. But in the case of fiat as in US Dollar, i can't describe it as volatile at all because its value remains the same for years.
i don't think like that. as long as there is a transaction of course there will be volacity. but as far as i know, the dollar volacity is not like cryptocurrency, where the volacity is very high

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November 18, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
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I think so, because we all know here that USD$ is the main fiat currency at all time all over the world. And it is too volatile also, but compare into

bitcoin it is much aggressive rather than USD$ I think. This is proven and tested already to all majority of the traders in this field of business.
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November 18, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
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I don't really think anyone is claiming that the USD is not volatile when they talk about BTC's volatility, it is just that BTC's volatility is much more pronounced on a day-to-day level, versus the USD with its long-term volatility.

Using your 2-liter bottle of soda example, I am fairly confident that the price in USD had remained pretty constant at $2/bottle over the last 3 months. Where I live it is actually only about $1.59, but in any event the basic premise still holds, that with the exception of temporary sales, the price of soda remains pretty constant relative to USD on a day-to-day basis.

Now if we priced that 2-liter bottle of soda in BTC, we would have:

November 1, 2017 - BTC ~$6750, bottle soda = 0.00029629 BTC
December 1, 2017 - BTC ~$10,500, bottle soda = 0.00019047 BTC
December 17, 2017 - BTC ~ $20,000, bottle soda = 0.0001000 BTC
January 1, 2018 - BTC ~$13,700, bottle soda = 0.00014598 BTC
February 6, 2018 - BTC ~$6,400, bottle soda = 0.0003125 BTC* Used instead of 1st because it represents low point
March 1, 2018 - BTC ~$11,000, bottle soda - 0.00018181 BTC

So that is what is I call volatile!

If you were selling a used car for 1 BTC, on December 15th, 2017 you would have gotten $20k for it, assuming you cashed out that same day, and not even 2 months later on February 6, 2018 you would have only got $6,400 for the same car. Now if you paid me in cash instead, the $20,000 I got in December would be pretty much still be worth $20,000 today.
Well, here is the bitcoin volatility that everyone is talking about. The fiat currency volatility take years before it happen but the bitcoin volatility happen too fast normally within days not even months or years.
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November 18, 2018, 08:55:27 PM
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No Dollar is not
Dollar price depends on central banks activity
But i don't think so investors recognize dollar like a safe heaven
Dollar price can't rise too much because US export can be in trouble
So you can always count on central banks
On other hand how it is possible for currency what generated trillions dollar of debt to be global currency how that kind of currency can exist
It is against of any real economy rules
But we are in 21 century it is time like that evil time

 
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November 18, 2018, 09:54:32 PM
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I can't say that it is too volatile but rather it will all depend on how well the econony of United States is  performing. The economy is usually affected by crisis and FUD news about economic crash. These kind of things usually presents a negative effect on the economy making the market very unstable and rhe currency volatile. Now if there are continuous bad publicity then soon enough volatility will follow.
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December 20, 2018, 06:49:31 AM
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Truly, inflation is an accepted part of the economy, but let's not forget, that the salaries are also rising, and not just the purchasing power decrease. So it is a little bit different, than what we see in cryptocurrencies, where prices fluctuates more rapidly. So all together, Fiat is still more stable, but it does not mean of course, dollar is a better investment, than Bitcoin for example.
The US Dollar experienced fluctuations as the economy slowed in the country. But as a rich country, of course the impact is not as severe as a poor country, where the people still get subsidies from the state and can still live well. Certainly different from cryptocurrency which experiences faster and bigger fluctuations, the impact is very pronounced for its users.
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The current dollar is very strong, it is sweeping the global capital market, which will last for a while, but this may be the last strong dollar, this time the dollar will end in failure. The Fed is struggling at the end.

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The value of dollar fluctuates but not like the cryptocurrency that is highly volatile. The value of cryptocurrencies changes more frequent than the fiat making it more stable currency compared to the cryptocurrency
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December 20, 2018, 09:51:01 AM
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Cryptocurrencies must being to be used in real world purchases.

If you buy 1 kg of fish using X crypto, then the price sets in. People need to start using crypto to buy and sell stuff. When this becomes widespread, crypto prices will gain real world references.

Why does everyone know a coffee is worth $1? Because people buy coffee for $1. If the dollar were only used for investing and hoarding, nobody would know how much a coffee cost.

When coffees begin to be sold for X satoshi, that's when BTC will become more stable IMO.

We need widespread adoption.

Adoption begins by exposing the FED printed money farse. Tell your friends how the FED works, how they print money for themselves, how banks rob you 24x7. That's when The People will adopt cryptos for everyday life.

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