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 December 11, 2019, 01:26:59 AM

~  Obviously most would assume 10,000 numbers reflects equally in the chances, do you have any reference or will I find this detail anywhere related to 'provably fair formula'.

It's under the "THIS GAME IS PROVABLY FAIR!" tab right at the top of the page.

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How are rolls calculated?

Two strings are created :
STRING1 = "[NONCE]:[SERVER SEED]:[NONCE]"
STRING2 = "[NONCE]:[CLIENT SEED]:[NONCE]"
Then HMAC-SHA512 is used to hash STRING1 with STRING2 as the secret key, giving us a 128 character hex string.
The first 8 characters of the hex string are taken and converted to a decimal.
This decimal is then divided by 429496.7295 and rounded off to the nearest whole number.
This whole number is used as your roll, with the maximum possible value being 10,000.

The payout table also states that possible results are 0-10000, not 1-10000 so both results 00000 and 10000 have half the chance of being rolled than any other number due to rounding.
It's free to play so I don't see any grounds for complaint that people being scammed by this.

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing, I bet you would happy to take small free white powder package at the airport checkpoint . Yes it's is provably fair, but how it should be rounded? "rounded off to the nearest whole number" i don't see it would be real taken into account how bet payout is calculated which is "round down" to the nearest whole number (as example of 197.97 above) so 9999.51 up to 9999.99 would definately yield 10000 but it will not because it is being rounded down in your system.
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 December 11, 2019, 02:19:05 AM

That would be weird if true, theres 10,000 possible whole number returned in the result.   To then have 20,000 possible outcomes would be surprising then.

Each time you roll you are generating a decimal, not a whole number. There are over 4 billion possible decimal numbers you can generate and only 0.005% of those decimals can be rounded to 10000.
Yep its more interesting then I first thought.  I recorded my last roll details and I'll try going through till the final result so I understand better.    Some clever statistician could model this and group results to reflect the probability in outcomes.
Reminds me of another topic, would you teach your child gambling?  Yes I would teach my child maths because its better to know lifes risks then fear the possibilities :p

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Thats a bad analogy, strawman fallacy or something.

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 December 11, 2019, 03:02:40 AM

Yep its more interesting then I first thought.  I recorded my last roll details and I'll try going through till the final result so I understand better.    Some clever statistician could model this and group results to reflect the probability in outcomes.

There's no clever stats involved. The probability of any number is 10000:1 except 00000 and 10000 which are each 20000:1 chances.

Reminds me of another topic, would you teach your child gambling?  Yes I would teach my child maths because its better to know lifes risks then fear the possibilities :p

My maths teacher taught me gambling (out of the classroom) when I was doing A Level pure and applied mathematics many years ago.

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing,

You would know if you took the 30 seconds required to read understand the provably fair tab.

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Thats a bad analogy, strawman fallacy or something.

Absolutely. There is no risk involved in taking a free roll. You can only win.

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 December 11, 2019, 09:58:01 AMLast edit: December 11, 2019, 10:17:29 AM by freebitco.in PR

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Well, this surely gives a 1 finger salute to all the people that thought that this draw was a scam.    Do you know how many people attended this

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 December 11, 2019, 10:52:00 AM

This is never a good plan. I mean living on interest. Doesn't matter if it the bank or freebitco.in where you get interest from. Even collecting rents make more sense than collecting interest. Interest is only a short term solution till you figure out something else, better. That %4 you get from freebitco.in right now, there is no guarantee that it will go on like this forever. I wouldn't plan my life on this.
You guys might be living in a different country, but in my country if you are making 666 dollars per month you could live a very good life and also keep saving. Plus, my fiat to dollar changes all the time and dollar worths more and more of my fiat anyway every single year because we are a country that's run horribly, USA even under Trump didn't do that bad economically, it is a country that even with all its flaws could be the leader of economical world for a long time.

200K with 4% interest could help me live for 50 years easily (by which time I will 100% be dead considering I am unnecessary fat and eat junk food so much that heart attack might around the corner). So, long story short there are better ways of making money, however this one is enough as well, don't need anything better.

I agree! think most proper investors would tell you that the aim of successful finance is to live on passive income, if possible just on interest.

If I won a lottery of even 1 million, I would put all of it in a bank and just live on the interest. For me, the lambo is exactly going to do that. 200k \$ even if I only earn 4% interest a year is 8k USD a year. That is already MORE than my yearly salary in my country! And every year like you, it will be worth more and more because my currency sucks.

I would basically be able to quit my job and start a business. And never touch the 200k. So I'm totally with you!

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 December 11, 2019, 12:03:28 PM

If I won a lottery of even 1 million, I would put all of it in a bank and just live on the interest. For me, the lambo is exactly going to do that. 200k \$ even if I only earn 4% interest a year is 8k USD a year. That is already MORE than my yearly salary in my country! And every year like you, it will be worth more and more because my currency sucks.

I would basically be able to quit my job and start a business. And never touch the 200k. So I'm totally with you!

How many % is your country's bank FD interest, by average?

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 December 11, 2019, 12:54:26 PM

Yep its more interesting then I first thought.  I recorded my last roll details and I'll try going through till the final result so I understand better.    Some clever statistician could model this and group results to reflect the probability in outcomes.

There's no clever stats involved. The probability of any number is 10000:1 except 00000 and 10000 which are each 20000:1 chances.
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When I first read about it in the post by @FinneysTrueVision above, I thought he was wrong.

So, it's true then? Hitting any other number is twice as likely than hitting either 00000 or 10000?

Does it mean that if a dice site allows you to choose which number to hunt for 9900x multiplier, it is better to choose any other number but 0.00 or 99.99? (Sorry if it's a stupid question, I'm a bit confused now).

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 December 11, 2019, 04:39:36 PM

Each time you roll you are generating a decimal, not a whole number. There are over 4 billion possible decimal numbers you can generate and only 0.005% of those decimals can be rounded to 10000.
You are right. I corrected the calculations in my previous post regarding the chance if not hitting 10000 in 20000 rolls.

So, it's true then? Hitting any other number is twice as likely than hitting either 00000 or 10000?
Yes, that's because the possible outcomes are 0-10000. We have 10001 numbers. So, it's logical.

Does it mean that if a dice site allows you to choose which number to hunt for 9900x multiplier, it is better to choose any other number but 0.00 or 99.99? (Sorry if it's a stupid question, I'm a bit confused now).
I don't think there is any difference. Because there are exactly 10,000 numbers and the chance of hitting each of them is exactly 0.01%

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 December 11, 2019, 05:04:42 PMMerited by TheQuin (1)

Wow that's nice! It's great to see Freebitco.in going into big audiences and promoting themselves beyond crypto community. And fancy Lambo is one of the best way to do that. Damn, I just remember that Freebitco.in  started just as simple faucet and now it's not only huge crypto gambling website - it's third biggest casino on the whole internet!
Just imagine on how far freebitco.in made already to have such prize. Clearly getting in earlier has an advantage. They came in community early and became the most famous faucet site. Some faucet got burn already because it's not profitable anymore for owner amd for people but not this site. HI LO game is really a hooker even before and even more when they add jackpot, etc. Now they came into this scene. I know how hard to get it since that prize is really something. Even harder to get than the famous dice site jackpot that I know.
Yeah, there was a lot of faucets back in the day I can tell you that, hell I personally owned a faucet rotator once and even sold it, it had a great name too that I won't share that helped me with google SEO, for some reason I thought if I had a faucet rotator that has my affiliate links involved I could get a lot of people signed up to a lot of faucets and eventually have a combined a ton of money, the only one that actually worked was freebitco.in.

I still do ads and banners here and there on some familiar websites of my friends but main portion of my affiliates came back on those days, all other websites either never been used even back than or they were so small that it didn't really worth it so they stopped, only freebitcoin survived because they were actually really good and really paid out very well as well.

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 December 11, 2019, 06:59:29 PMMerited by Kprawn (1)

Seriously how did someone finally figured out a way to complain about something that is free? I know it took years for them to figure out a way but how can someone really complain about something which is absolutely free?

Analogy is more like "would you accept money from strangers" which normally homeless people for example do, of course we are not homeless and this free money doesn't change anything for us but would a beggar on the street say "I think you are not being fair" to someone that gives them 1 dollars instead of 100? Do they only accept 100 dollars and reject the rest? They all take even cents they are thrown at.

So, free money is free money, there is nothing you can complain about at all, it is just free, take it and continue your life or don't take it if you don't want to but don't complain about free money not being a lot, nobody dishes out free money like freebitco.in anyway.

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 December 11, 2019, 07:45:14 PM

Seriously how did someone finally figured out a way to complain about something that is free? I know it took years for them to figure out a way but how can someone really complain about something which is absolutely free?

Analogy is more like "would you accept money from strangers" which normally homeless people for example do, of course we are not homeless and this free money doesn't change anything for us but would a beggar on the street say "I think you are not being fair" to someone that gives them 1 dollars instead of 100? Do they only accept 100 dollars and reject the rest? They all take even cents they are thrown at.

So, free money is free money, there is nothing you can complain about at all, it is just free, take it and continue your life or don't take it if you don't want to but don't complain about free money not being a lot, nobody dishes out free money like freebitco.in anyway.

I think people are still debating this issue, because they think the free roll is rigged or something. In any way, you have it spot on with your analogy,

so I gave you one merit for that.    A homeless man could care less how you generated the free money that you are giving to them, even if it was

thought cheating or stealing. A lot of people in 3rd world countries with weak currencies would celebrate if they win anything higher than \$10 and

we have seen several people reporting that they are frequently winning between \$10 and \$20 from this faucet.

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 December 11, 2019, 08:52:20 PM

Seriously how did someone finally figured out a way to complain about something that is free? I know it took years for them to figure out a way but how can someone really complain about something which is absolutely free?

Analogy is more like "would you accept money from strangers" which normally homeless people for example do, of course we are not homeless and this free money doesn't change anything for us but would a beggar on the street say "I think you are not being fair" to someone that gives them 1 dollars instead of 100? Do they only accept 100 dollars and reject the rest? They all take even cents they are thrown at.

So, free money is free money, there is nothing you can complain about at all, it is just free, take it and continue your life or don't take it if you don't want to but don't complain about free money not being a lot, nobody dishes out free money like freebitco.in anyway.

I think people are still debating this issue, because they think the free roll is rigged or something. In any way, you have it spot on with your analogy,

so I gave you one merit for that.    A homeless man could care less how you generated the free money that you are giving to them, even if it was

thought cheating or stealing. A lot of people in 3rd world countries with weak currencies would celebrate if they win anything higher than \$10 and

we have seen several people reporting that they are frequently winning between \$10 and \$20 from this faucet.

It is not just about the dollar amount you win.

There is a special feeling when you hit a big number. The feeling only the RPG players can understand. If you played a game like diablo or world of warcraft or anything similar, you would probably understand what I mean. When a good item drops and somehow you manage to get it before the others, something inside of me gets so fucking happy. (my little degenerate gambler)

That 9990 I lately had gave me a similar feeling. I would probably go bat shit crazy if I had 9999 and posted here.

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.

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 December 11, 2019, 09:01:48 PM

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.
You can find many freebitco users that have rolled 9999 or 10000 in the following thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855

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 December 11, 2019, 11:44:13 PM

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.
You can find many freebitco users that have rolled 9999 or 10000 in the following thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855
If you will go through whole topic, you will find quite many who rolled 10000, not even talking about 9999.
There is one guy who posted his win recently:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.msg53270641#msg53270641

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 December 11, 2019, 11:53:54 PM

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.
You can find many freebitco users that have rolled 9999 or 10000 in the following thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855
If you will go through whole topic, you will find quite many who rolled 10000, not even talking about 9999.
There is one guy who posted his win recently:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.msg53270641#msg53270641
One thing is very interesting if you check there are nearly 1500 posts and more then 1000 are from newbies with just one or two posts and very few from active users.

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 December 12, 2019, 12:29:41 AMMerited by DarkStar_ (1)

One thing is very interesting if you check there are nearly 1500 posts and more then 1000 are from newbies with just one or two posts and very few from active users.
It's nothing strange. After winning \$20 or \$200, Freebitco.in users get email message to post proof of winning in order to get \$5 bonus. And judt for this bonus they make Bitcointalk account.
Bitcointalk have just 2.7 million users and even much less in reality. While Freebitco.in hsve over 34 million registered users. Numbers obviously tells that only small part of Freebitco.in users have Bitcointalk account.

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 December 12, 2019, 02:08:03 AM

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing,

You would know if you took the 30 seconds required to read understand the provably fair tab.

There is no information, that why I've asked and you didn't answer that key part, let I repeat, if the results are from 9999.51 - 9999.99 will it get rounded "to nearest integer" to become 10000, or it would be "rounded down" to become 9999 as similar to Multiply BTC results? If you will answer that it is truly "rounded to nearest integer" then explain why there is different in Multiply BTC game given the example: betting on 0.48% win chance or 197.92 odd, the payout would be only 196 in which equal to 197.92 less 0.92 part is stripped off (or rounded down) and less 1.00 stake.

Don't ask me to read because there is different found already, it's yours to clarify, just tell the truth.
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 December 12, 2019, 02:26:47 AM

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.

Those numbers are super rare, given the fact that most aren't aware that this forum exists or only lurk around.

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 December 12, 2019, 02:54:56 AM

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing,

You would know if you took the 30 seconds required to read understand the provably fair tab.

There is no information, that why I've asked and you didn't answer that key part, let I repeat, if the results are from 9999.51 - 9999.99 will it get rounded "to nearest integer" to become 10000, or it would be "rounded down" to become 9999 as similar to Multiply BTC results? If you will answer that it is truly "rounded to nearest integer" then explain why there is different in Multiply BTC game given the example: betting on 0.48% win chance or 197.92 odd, the payout would be only 196 in which equal to 197.92 less 0.92 part is stripped off (or rounded down) and less 1.00 stake.

Don't ask me to read because there is different found already, it's yours to clarify, just tell the truth.

It didn't answer because the difference between "rounded off to the nearest whole number" and "rounded down" is something anyone with primary school education will understand and comparing how the rolls are calculated to how something completely different is calculated is yet another straw man.

I will ask you to read again and explain how "rounded off to the nearest whole number" could possibly be any more clear or truthful.

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 December 12, 2019, 05:31:16 AM

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing,

You would know if you took the 30 seconds required to read understand the provably fair tab.

There is no information, that why I've asked and you didn't answer that key part, let I repeat, if the results are from 9999.51 - 9999.99 will it get rounded "to nearest integer" to become 10000, or it would be "rounded down" to become 9999 as similar to Multiply BTC results? If you will answer that it is truly "rounded to nearest integer" then explain why there is different in Multiply BTC game given the example: betting on 0.48% win chance or 197.92 odd, the payout would be only 196 in which equal to 197.92 less 0.92 part is stripped off (or rounded down) and less 1.00 stake.

Don't ask me to read because there is different found already, it's yours to clarify, just tell the truth.

It didn't answer because the difference between "rounded off to the nearest whole number" and "rounded down" is something anyone with primary school education will understand and comparing how the rolls are calculated to how something completely different is calculated is yet another straw man.

I will ask you to read again and explain how "rounded off to the nearest whole number" could possibly be any more clear or truthful.

OK so I can confirm that your statement of:" to get a result 0 or 10000 there is 1/2 lesser chance of getting other numbers" is COMPLETELY WRONG.
According to the calculation statement of your "PROVABLY FAIR" there are 1:4,294,967,295 maximum possible outcomes of that HEX to Integer, BUT to be yielded a 10,000 rolled number there is only ONE chance (which is 4294967295 / 429496.7295 = 10000).
To get a 9999, it need to be at least 429496.7295*9999 = 4294537798. Since they are "rounded off to the nearest whole number" any numbers from 4294537798 -> 4294967294 (less the last Integer 4294967295) will become 9999. There are: 4294967294 - 4294537798 = 429496 chance of getting 9999 compare with ONE(1) chance of getting a 10000. Apply the sam calculation any number from 0-9999 will have the same chance of 1:429496 to occur while there is 1:4294967295 chance to get a 10000.

Don't ask me again to learn superb math if the above calculation is wrong, I only have enough math to finish my job as a seasonal Progammer, peach.

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