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[broke_tradah]

The users including me requested him to make a ported version for other site on an alt coin to lower the cost, but it's not available (may be he is not hating other site owners lol)..

Sort of correct but not really.  If you remember, there were technical reasonings why the sites with the lower edges didnt make sense for bot use.  Do you remember what BPS stands for.  The group discussed it at length.  Thats your answer ;)FBC clearly has no idea what it is and I'm fine with that,  though they may eventually figure it out if we talk about it enough and then they'll claim "o we accounted for that already",  which obviously they havent or I wouldnt have targeted their site for a bot in the first place lol.

The search continues for a suitable backup site that has a good referral base, the other technicals that I look for in a bot'able site, and a lower house edge to assist those with less capitol than myself but I'm satisfied with what FBC has currently,  high edge and all simply because it works for my purposes.  I get a decent amount of referrals and my own use of the bot itself is quite stable (as you've seen for yourself).  It's completely true that I have enough capitol to keep it running but that doesnt invalidate it's successfulness  It's also great that you've taken the methodology and applied it to something you've written yourself.  There is nothing better than using something that you understand inside and out because you wrote it.

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[Rozita]

Visit the betting section and pay attention to amount of prize pool in different bets.
I wonder why the prize pool in all the bets is increasing regularly by 1 Satoshi. It's a bit weird. Are all the people betting only 1 Satoshi? Isn't there any person bet 0.01 bitcoin or any other amounts other than 1 Satoshi? Don't you think the amounts are being manipulated by freebitco? I don't think this is normal.

[TheQuin]

Visit the betting section and pay attention to amount of prize pool in different bets.
I wonder why the prize pool in all the bets is increasing regularly by 1 Satoshi. It's a bit weird. Are all the people betting only 1 Satoshi? Isn't there any person bet 0.01 bitcoin or any other amounts other than 1 Satoshi? Don't you think the amounts are being manipulated by freebitco? I don't think this is normal.

The numbers on the page are cached on Cloudflare. When that cache gets updated we just run an animation that counts from the previous value to the new value. So it's not individual 1 Sat bets it is just giving you a sense of how fast the pool is increasing.

[Dinda mayasi]

I really like this site. Dice Besides fun can also produce coins/dollars. Several times I get a payment then I recommend it.

[adaseb]

It's may be you have not tried for long enough, it somehow work but for users with enough balance (at least 1 or 2 BTC) to risk. The majority of his bot users lost, I agree with this casino owner, because they have not enough balance to risk on, and the guy with enough balance will not risk their money because of closed source issue (free but closed source).

But how is it different than martingale then with someone having a very large balance. If you are betting 0.01 BTC on martingale using 50/50 and your total balance is 1 BTC, you will go bust very fast. However if you are betting 0.00000001 BTC per bet with a balance of 1000 BTC then it would take a very long time to go bust. Basically it can take years and the bot would seem like its effective when it fact it just didn't have a long enough timeline.

I don't know how his bot works but I know that with a house edge is very difficult to make any money with a bot. The bot might be in profit for a few months but then eventually it will reach a streak where it loses the entire balance. Similiar to the way people bust their entire BTC wallets when doing martingale and getting 15 reds in a row.

[TheQuin]

But how is it different than martingale then with someone having a very large balance.

It isn't. It is just a modification of Martingale and it has all the same drawbacks which is why given a large enough sample size it will end up losing.

[Kakmakr]

@broke_tradah
Why are you putting up with his BS? You have done this before as well, there was another dude (or maybe the same dude, I don't remember) who came in here every single day and talked badly about freebitcoin and he had absolutely no proof at all and you kept giving him an answer forever, like it was some sort of responsibility that you have to answer every single idiotic message that comes in this topic, I am pretty sure if you stopped giving him a reply he will write maybe 2-3 more messages at most and will stop, but if you give him some answers than he will answer back to you and than it will stay in a loop and we can't get out of it until someone stops.


This guy is not cared by any of the real users of freebitcoin, hence he has no influence over anybody, let him be and do not reply if you can please.

I think he gets paid to protect the users of Freebitco.in from scammers that claim that they have software that would guarantee them winnings from the site that would never happen with this bot. A provably fair site like Freebitco.in can never have a specific algorithm that can be exploited by bots, to guarantee some winning solution. 

TheQuin just want to protect gullible people that might fall for this scam and the scammer do not want to accept defeat. Having a house edge, is just how casinos make their money, it is not some kind of scam. 

[Lakai01]

A provably fair site like Freebitco.in can never have a specific algorithm that can be exploited by bots, to guarantee some winning solution. 

Of course it can, but only if there is a serious bug at Freebitco.ins side and the bot abuses this bug. What would happen is that users of those bot would be detected because their winning chance is way higher than the average player and get banned.
So this guy makes promises he fails to proof and simply scams people.

[docthusinh]

It's may be you have not tried for long enough, it somehow work but for users with enough balance (at least 1 or 2 BTC) to risk. The majority of his bot users lost, I agree with this casino owner, because they have not enough balance to risk on, and the guy with enough balance will not risk their money because of closed source issue (free but closed source).

But how is it different than martingale then with someone having a very large balance. If you are betting 0.01 BTC on martingale using 50/50 and your total balance is 1 BTC, you will go bust very fast. However if you are betting 0.00000001 BTC per bet with a balance of 1000 BTC then it would take a very long time to go bust. Basically it can take years and the bot would seem like its effective when it fact it just didn't have a long enough timeline.

I don't know how his bot works but I know that with a house edge is very difficult to make any money with a bot. The bot might be in profit for a few months but then eventually it will reach a streak where it loses the entire balance. Similiar to the way people bust their entire BTC wallets when doing martingale and getting 15 reds in a row.

It's basically belong to martingale category but fit to a dual exponential curves (cummulative earned balance vs highest commulative lost balance of a rare streak). If you managed to test/simulate a very large samples (well if you ever tested at least few hundred millions bets) with a suitable calculation you will find out that it take quite long to lose entire balance (original + earned) or cannot win back more than it cost (due to capped 20btc max win), my mark is 200 millions bets (around 3 months of test which roundly 1.5 year if playing for real) and there is high chance to win since a few percent of test sessions (multiple sets of 200 millions bets) reach that event (lost), but majority of them don't reach (aka cummulative lost balance of a bad streak < 20BTC). The test here is that you write your own code of provably fair number generator and test/simulate against it.

[docthusinh]

A provably fair site like Freebitco.in can never have a specific algorithm that can be exploited by bots, to guarantee some winning solution. 

Of course it can, but only if there is a serious bug at Freebitco.ins side and the bot abuses this bug. What would happen is that users of those bot would be detected because their winning chance is way higher than the average player and get banned.
So this guy makes promises he fails to proof and simply scams people.

This statement is not correct, the site process the bet internally and return result (read only) to user end (you use GET command not a SET command to interact with their server).
Basically all bots available today have their own "Simulation" mode in which kind of provably fair system is written for the users to test on...and the mandatory thing is the site need to be provably fair!

Your statement is like 100 years ago when people said that we can't fly...but then the airplaine is out...lol.

[kamer1337]

i am getting only 7 satoshi from faucet, is it permanent drop and will still be dropping to 1 sat? i dont think im going ever archieve that 20 sat bonus

[mindrust]

i am getting only 7 satoshi from faucet, is it permanent drop and will still be dropping to 1 sat? i dont think im going ever archieve that 20 sat bonus

If bitcoin goes higher, yes one day it will be 1 sat.

You can only get the 20 sat bonus if you deposit ~$50 worth of coins to your account. You get interest payments too. It is a win/win.

[fullhdpixel]

How is the betting side of it going? I think I never played there yet, maybe I tested out early on when it first started but I am not even sure about that, I have been using freebitcoin for mainly my affiliates because I am getting paid a small amount (like covering my cigarette expenses for a month for example) and sometimes I gamble on dice (hi/lo?) and of course I get lottery tickets every week thanks to free faucet claims of my affiliates and all that but when it comes to betting I never really given it a chance.

I don't know why I haven't tried yet but the website grew so big that I can't catch up with every single new thing now like we already have too many stuff that we do on this one single website, I am not sure if I want to add betting on top of that, I am about to spend 12 hours a day on this website if I spend any more time on it .

[broke_tradah]

Basically it can take years and the bot would seem like its effective when it fact it just didn't have a long enough timeline.

Now you are starting to catch on!  Can someone tell me how long a human lives?  Is it "Infinity"?  Yes?  No?  Maybe?  The reason this fact is important is because the ONLY situation where the bot will lose 100% is if you will live for infinity to see that come true.  Until such time as that happens,  you will only be able to witness the bot winning AND losing.  Not just losing.  So,  if you know it'll take about X amount of years (say 500yrs) for it to reach that big loss,  why do you even care.  I know I sure dont.  And I prove this each and every day,  24/7,  live for everyone to see.  Yet not a single person who thinks this is impossible ever takes that proof into account.  Where?  Because it proves thems 100% wrong thats why.  Like I said before bots do not WIN 100% of the time,  but they dont LOSE 100% of the time either.  A bot is not a magic wand.  It's a TOOL.  If you use the tool correctly,  you WILL be successful, regardless of what all the drones who think everyone lives to infinity says.

Having a house edge, is just how casinos make their money, it is not some kind of scam.  

Hi drone!  Nice to meet you.  BTW,  you are 100% WRONG drone!  A house edge's purpose has never changed,  it was NEVER to "make money".  Back in the day (before online casinos) it was to protect itself against players with a lot of TIME for games that had short durations and thats all it is. Thats all a house edge ever did,  but house edges were extremely low.  0.5%, 0.25%,  0.75%,  etc.  Some games didnt even HAVE a house edge simply because the games themselves took so long to complete.  Blackjack for example takes a long time to complete,  a game of blackjack isnt over until you've gone through the entire deck,  even today its still one of the lowest house edge games you can play at a brick and mortar casino,  online is a lot different for blackjack,  you should NEVER play online blackjack because the game never actually ends.  Today is 2019 though.  Today house edges protect against people with bots and large bank rolls.  This is why house edges today are MUCH larger than they were back in the day at a real casino.  If you think a house edge is "to make money",  it just goes to show that you dont know anything about how gambling actually works nor it's history.  Time is a VERY important factor.  Back in 1970,  you couldnt sit at a table 24/7 unless you were somehow inhuman and didnt need rest, sleep, or food.  Houses knew this,  and thus they knew that X house edge would be sufficient.  The same is NOT true when dealing with bots online.  So you need a MUCH higher house edge to protect against them.  The first person who tells you that a house edge is for ANYTHING ELSE,  is a complete LIAR.  There is a MASSIVE difference between a house edge of 1% and a house edge of 1.5% let alone 5%.  But unless the house uses an edge of 51%,  beating bots completely simply isnt possible.  All it does is raise the bankroll requirement to be successful.  But no casino is ever going to be able to convince anyone to play at such a high edge.  Ever.  Although I'd like to see one try.

Put simply,  a house edge is a TIME mechanism and has nothing to do with making anything.  You can make money with a 0% house edge if you have more time than the player.  That is mathematically provable.  Until you understand this VERY simple fact,  you'll never be able to comprehend why my bot is so successful on my live stream.  Also,  you could have known ALL of this if you had simply googled "house edge".  It would have told you,  and I quote:  "The House Edge is a term used to describe the mathematical advantage that the gambling game, and therefore the commercial gambling venue, has over you as you play over time. ".  But alas you're just a drone.  Drones dont have the capacity to think for themselves and they only believe what the salesman tells them.

Another way to prove that a house edge is not for "making money" is to consider the PLETHORA of 0% house edge casinos that exist.  There are even some online (BetVoyager, Edgeless,  etc) that you can use.  A house edge ABSOLUTELY IS NOT for "making money".  Never was,  never will be.  It's a TIME mechanism.  However,  when selecting an online casino for a bot,  house edge is not really a concern unless it's obscenely high (over 10%).  The time that a bot provides you outweights what most house edge's are set at anyway.  Casinos usually protect against bots using other methods.  The only exception to that rule that I have found so far is FBC although I'm always on the lookout for other options.  Likely because they dont realize what the real point of a house edge is and maybe they are attempting to use it as "a way to make money" which isnt what a house edge is supposed to be used for.  One can use it to "make money",  but that isnt it's actual real purpose.  Just like a bot can be used to calculate what to roll next,  that isnt it's real purpose.  If you use a bot just for its calculations,  you're likely to fail.  A bots purpose is a tool of time and persistence.

[Lakai01]

A provably fair site like Freebitco.in can never have a specific algorithm that can be exploited by bots, to guarantee some winning solution. 

Of course it can, but only if there is a serious bug at Freebitco.ins side and the bot abuses this bug. What would happen is that users of those bot would be detected because their winning chance is way higher than the average player and get banned.
So this guy makes promises he fails to proof and simply scams people.

This statement is not correct, the site process the bet internally and return result (read only) to user end (you use GET command not a SET command to interact with their server).

The way requests are processed has literally nothing to do with manipulation safety. If this would be the case any online casino would be automatically unabusable. Thats simply not the case.
Imagine a glitch in the server side code which doesnt deal correctly with parallel executions or under heavy load when a bot sends like 20 requests per second.

[docthusinh]

A provably fair site like Freebitco.in can never have a specific algorithm that can be exploited by bots, to guarantee some winning solution. 

Of course it can, but only if there is a serious bug at Freebitco.ins side and the bot abuses this bug. What would happen is that users of those bot would be detected because their winning chance is way higher than the average player and get banned.
So this guy makes promises he fails to proof and simply scams people.

This statement is not correct, the site process the bet internally and return result (read only) to user end (you use GET command not a SET command to interact with their server).

The way requests are processed has literally nothing to do with manipulation safety. If this would be the case any online casino would be automatically unabusable. Thats simply not the case.
Imagine a glitch in the server side code which doesnt deal correctly with parallel executions or under heavy load when a bot sends like 20 requests per second.

Don't you think the casino owners don't have a catch there? If anything abnormal or the server can't process the bet due to heavy load, they just simply put it in a CATCH or ELSE statement and return a BLANK result (server doesn't accept bet, try again) or LOSE result (you lose, give me your coin) or worst return a HTTP 503/504 result without any response.

[broke_tradah]

Don't you think the casino owners don't have a catch there? If anything abnormal or the server can't process the bet due to heavy load, they just simply put it in a CATCH or ELSE statement and return a BLANK result (server doesn't accept bet, try again) or LOSE result (you lose, give me your coin) or worst return a HTTP 503/504 result without any response.

Or the more logical answer:  usleep(x) which is what every online site will do,  casino or not.  Others will opt to use cloudflare which essentially does the same thing (FBC uses cloudflare).  Then if the queue fills up to much, you'll start receiving 503 errors (service unavailable,  aka server busy) which happens A LOT with FBC due to the cloudflare front end which is easily overloaded.  There is a multitude of ways to handle a flood of incoming data,  these are but a few of the more common methods.  These are visible with my bot in the form of strange pauses in the middle of a session.  Sometimes you'll see it pause for a few seconds.  These are caused by the 503 errors when the FBC server is overloaded.  It accounts for this and simply keeps retrying the bet until it succeeds.  Once it succeeds,  thats when you see the output.  It wont output anything until the bet succeeds.  Seeing these types of errors isnt useful for anything and just clutter up the screen if the bot were to display them all.

[TheQuin]

i am getting only 7 satoshi from faucet, is it permanent drop and will still be dropping to 1 sat? i dont think im going ever archieve that 20 sat bonus

If bitcoin goes higher, yes one day it will be 1 sat.

You can only get the 20 sat bonus if you deposit ~$50 worth of coins to your account. You get interest payments too. It is a win/win.

As well as your balance the ratio of how much you wager against free winnings is also taken into account so most people will need less than $50.

[TheQuin]

i am getting only 7 satoshi from faucet, is it permanent drop and will still be dropping to 1 sat? i dont think im going ever archieve that 20 sat bonus

If bitcoin goes higher, yes one day it will be 1 sat.

You can only get the 20 sat bonus if you deposit ~$50 worth of coins to your account. You get interest payments too. It is a win/win.

As well as your balance the ratio of how much you wager against free winnings is also taken into account so most people will need less than $50.

I think So FreeBitco.in win or anything tottal balance when $50 than withdraw otherwise not possible withdraw?

The conversation you quoted has nothing to do with withdrawing. The question was about the low wagering reduction that reduces the reward on the lowest tier on the free roll payout table. If you have the low wagering reduction there is an i for information next to it telling you how to get back to full base reward.

[Lakai01]

Don't you think the casino owners don't have a catch there? If anything abnormal or the server can't process the bet due to heavy load, they just simply put it in a CATCH or ELSE statement and return a BLANK result (server doesn't accept bet, try again) or LOSE result (you lose, give me your coin) or worst return a HTTP 503/504 result without any response.

Of course, in a simplified world an else statement or a try-catch block fixes any error
But you hit the nail, as soon as the casino knows that something abnormal is going on they simply can deal with the situation accordingly.