T13hydra - Thread Locked, Unofficial Disscusion

[Henchman24]

Hey,

Count me in, I don't seem to be able to edit it, but here are my details.
Basically 48 chips, ฿3.952 still owed, (was not refunded anything).

FFMG   48   0   0      ฿3.952   0   ฿3.952

Let me know how I can help

FFMG

Your entry looks like it saved FFMG.

Thanks for the offer too- as far as I can see it should be pretty straightforward once we have all the information.

I'll be interested to read what the law firm has to say concerning our case. It's looking to add up to a decent sum of money.

Added my info.  Thanks for spearheading this, bigtimespaghetti.

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[Lucko]

Added my info... In transaction filed I added link on my post where you have everything...

EDIT: I'm still open to a compromise(only chips in BTC) at this point but T13hydra doesn't look to be...

[bigtimespaghetti]

Hey,

Count me in, I don't seem to be able to edit it, but here are my details.
Basically 48 chips, ฿3.952 still owed, (was not refunded anything).

FFMG   48   0   0      ฿3.952   0   ฿3.952

Let me know how I can help

FFMG

Your entry looks like it saved FFMG.

Thanks for the offer too- as far as I can see it should be pretty straightforward once we have all the information.

I'll be interested to read what the law firm has to say concerning our case. It's looking to add up to a decent sum of money.

Added my info.  Thanks for spearheading this, bigtimespaghetti.

You and everyone who has lost out in this endeavour are welcome, it's not much trouble to make some phone calls and throw together a spreadsheet. The thanks mean a lot though. It's hard to gauge interest in this.

I'm hoping that the community can start setting a precedent when it comes to these kinds of business practices, too many people have just taken the coins and ran.

While I accepted risk with this, I don't feel that loss of so many BTC can truly be justified. I think Steve must have been dropping the ball pretty hard to not be able to offer even partial refunds.

[bigtimespaghetti]

Added my info... In transaction filed I added link on my post where you have everything...

EDIT: I'm still open to a compromise(only chips in BTC) at this point but T13hydra doesn't look to be...

I think we are all open to compromise, none of us want to take the litigation route as far as I can tell. But you're right, Steve isn't responding.

[Henchman24]

Added my info... In transaction filed I added link on my post where you have everything...

EDIT: I'm still open to a compromise(only chips in BTC) at this point but T13hydra doesn't look to be...

I think we are all open to compromise, none of us want to take the litigation route as far as I can tell. But you're right, Steve isn't responding.

Same here.  I would be perfectly satisfied to take a reduced amount.  I don't know why Steve wants to go this route.  It's really disappointing.

I'm happy to get in line behind those that haven't been repaid for chips too.  There is no excuse for not returning chip payments.

[FFMG]

Added my info... In transaction filed I added link on my post where you have everything...

EDIT: I'm still open to a compromise(only chips in BTC) at this point but T13hydra doesn't look to be...

I think we are all open to compromise, none of us want to take the litigation route as far as I can tell. But you're right, Steve isn't responding.

Same here.  I would be perfectly satisfied to take a reduced amount.  I don't know why Steve wants to go this route.  It's really disappointing.

I'm happy to get in line behind those that haven't been repaid for chips too.  There is no excuse for not returning chip payments.

+1
All this could easily be resolved if he spoke to us a little.

Litigation, (or debt collection), will probably not resolve much in real financial term, but at least it will prevent Steve from getting away with it and prevent others from abusing BTC.

FFMG

[Nancarrow]

I've added my row to bigtimespaghetti's sheet. Thanks for doing this!

I actually got all my chips refunded, but have had no board refunds. As with most people here I would be prepared to come to some <100% arrangement with Steve if only he'd speak the hell up.

[bigtimespaghetti]

Added my info... In transaction filed I added link on my post where you have everything...

EDIT: I'm still open to a compromise(only chips in BTC) at this point but T13hydra doesn't look to be...

I think we are all open to compromise, none of us want to take the litigation route as far as I can tell. But you're right, Steve isn't responding.

Same here.  I would be perfectly satisfied to take a reduced amount.  I don't know why Steve wants to go this route.  It's really disappointing.

I'm happy to get in line behind those that haven't been repaid for chips too.  There is no excuse for not returning chip payments.

+1
All this could easily be resolved if he spoke to us a little.

Litigation, (or debt collection), will probably not resolve much in real financial term, but at least it will prevent Steve from getting away with it and prevent others from abusing BTC.

FFMG

I agree FFMG, this kind of thing may not lead to anything being recovered, but at the very least I want to make it hard for Steve to do something like this in the future. For now I'm pretty positive though.

[bigtimespaghetti]

I think we have 15 entries now. As the current exchange rate stands we have well over $70k outstanding, which according to my previous phonecall is significantly over the bench mark advised for taking legal action.

Thanks for filling in guys and showing your support.

Looking forward to seeing other people get involved too.

I'm starting a new job on Monday, so I'll be busy next week but as soon as I have time I'll see about any more paperwork we'll need to submit to the solicitors in Romania.

For now it might be a good time to export your order invoices/receipts from your email into a PDF along with any correspondence into a PDF and fill in any transaction IDs into the google doc. That should be the bulk of what is required for now.

If nobody objects you can message me a download link to your invoices and communications so I can sit one evening and collate them all into a single document for submission.

I believe the invoices have names and addresses on them, so I'll be providing evidence of my identity to anyone that requests it too.

[DaGreatRV]

8      48      3.888      15v2Vf2EJDm6XuJssEeQ3Xn1ySyPojKwff

Also i paid 0.7BTC for shipping.
I have tried to contact Steve multiple times over the last few months.
I only got a reply the first time where he confirmed my request to refund my order.
The situation is unacceptable, the money for shipping could not have been used because there was nothing to send.
Also I thought he got the money from the refunded batch 1 order, so he could have just passed that to my address.
I still don't understand why John K didn't get that refunded batch 1 money, he ran the escrow!

But I feel apprehensive about committing to expensive legal action. That might cost me more than I can ever hope to get back from him.
   

[bigtimespaghetti]

8      48      3.888      15v2Vf2EJDm6XuJssEeQ3Xn1ySyPojKwff

Also i paid 0.7BTC for shipping.
I have tried to contact Steve multiple times over the last few months.
I only got a reply the first time where he confirmed my request to refund my order.
The situation is unacceptable, the money for shipping could not have been used because there was nothing to send.
Also I thought he got the money from the refunded batch 1 order, so he could have just passed that to my address.
I still don't understand why John K didn't get that refunded batch 1 money, he ran the escrow!

But I feel apprehensive about committing to expensive legal action. That might cost me more than I can ever hope to get back from him.
   

Yes this is unacceptable. Which is why I've been looking into options of resolution.

There will be no committing to legal action until we've been advised on the approximate costs, duration and liklihood of clawing back funds or assets. Not to mention affirmations from everyone interested in pursuing this before hand.

It looks as if we're coming close to having a decent amount to go forward with now, so as soon as the information is submitted to the lawyers and I hear back I will relay whatever they have to say.

[southerngentuk]

8      48      3.888      15v2Vf2EJDm6XuJssEeQ3Xn1ySyPojKwff

Also i paid 0.7BTC for shipping.
I have tried to contact Steve multiple times over the last few months.
I only got a reply the first time where he confirmed my request to refund my order.
The situation is unacceptable, the money for shipping could not have been used because there was nothing to send.
Also I thought he got the money from the refunded batch 1 order, so he could have just passed that to my address.
I still don't understand why John K didn't get that refunded batch 1 money, he ran the escrow!

But I feel apprehensive about committing to expensive legal action. That might cost me more than I can ever hope to get back from him.
    

As far as am aware JohnK processed the refunds for batch 1 as per the list provided by steve. So Either you were not on the list for batch 1 or a mistake was made.

Edit: Am a little confused.. I see you there on the batch 1 list for sure...However when I check your address on the block chain I see the transaction as 0.7BTC and thats the only TX that day. Did you use another address  

Edit2 2013-05-20 21:20:02    12o8iQqAve6yN6QnjhVg1yuaASb66jPJhs 3.888 BTC

[DaGreatRV]

8      48      3.888      15v2Vf2EJDm6XuJssEeQ3Xn1ySyPojKwff

Also i paid 0.7BTC for shipping.
I have tried to contact Steve multiple times over the last few months.
I only got a reply the first time where he confirmed my request to refund my order.
The situation is unacceptable, the money for shipping could not have been used because there was nothing to send.
Also I thought he got the money from the refunded batch 1 order, so he could have just passed that to my address.
I still don't understand why John K didn't get that refunded batch 1 money, he ran the escrow!

But I feel apprehensive about committing to expensive legal action. That might cost me more than I can ever hope to get back from him.
    

As far as am aware JohnK processed the refunds for batch 1 as per the list provided by steve. So Either you were not on the list for batch 1 or a mistake was made.

Edit: Am a little confused.. I see you there on the batch 1 list for sure...However when I check your address on the block chain I see the transaction as 0.7BTC and thats the only TX that day. Did you use another address  

 It's been a few months, you asked me the same question in the closed thread.
The answer is still the same though.  

Well, here is the hash of my initial transaction of 3.888 bitcoins.

Code:

9eab04bbdb4b2b4bb4162404fc368c784f51c92cccccae48e8137ad2ebaaee26

It clearly shows that I put it on the escrow address.

Code:

12o8iQqAve6yN6QnjhVg1yuaASb66jPJhs

I'll PM JohnK tomorrow and hear what he has too say about this.

[southerngentuk]

Sorry, I check the thread when I first wake in the morning, I've had a coffee now.. 

[Lucko]

Not all batch1 addresses were processed. I was left out too... So list send to JohnK was incomplete or just intentionally wrong so he could bought KNC...

[southerngentuk]

Not all batch1 addresses were processed. I was left out too... So list send to JohnK was incomplete or just intentionally wrong so he could bought KNC...

Have you brought this up with johnk, I no this is not his fault (he can only work on info given) but I would be curious to compare the refund list provided by Steve without going through all the transactions on the block chain.

Its not really my position to ask for it as am not owed.

[DaGreatRV]

Not all batch1 addresses were processed. I was left out too... So list send to JohnK was incomplete or just intentionally wrong so he could bought KNC...

I have sent JohnK a PM. Lets see what he has to say.
I can see that he hasn't been online in the last 4 days, so I'm not really expecting a swift reply.

[bigtimespaghetti]

Just posting this googledoc before the weekend begins.

For anyone just jumping in, we're filling this in to see how much is outstanding and as a reference for legal action- I have contacted a lawfirm which have advised we gather together the basic info and outline our case when we contact their associates in Romania.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au69mccTiKbldFdJRm9WS2RzVGliMG5JbnJMZUhyTWc&usp=sharing

Please add your transaction ids if you can and prepare any invoices or correspondance- preferably with a very brief explanation of the exchange and the final outcome.

No one has really replied about preparing the invoices and correspondence, but this stuff will be required wether we just use a European Payment Order or choose to take some other form of legal action. It might be that you don't feel comfortable passing this on to me, if this is the case, let me remind you that someone that has ran off with our funds has all of that information himself.

Perhaps I should provide my passport ect.. To John K for people's ease of mind?

Thanks to all who have filled in so far and have shown support for this.

[Lucko]

Not all batch1 addresses were processed. I was left out too... So list send to JohnK was incomplete or just intentionally wrong so he could bought KNC...

Have you brought this up with johnk, I no this is not his fault (he can only work on info given) but I would be curious to compare the refund list provided by Steve without going through all the transactions on the block chain.

Its not really my position to ask for it as am not owed.

I contacted him 2 times but got no replay...

[Miracek]

I've added the 12.7 BTC I'm still owed for boards and shipping