How do we get the women on board?

[Mousepotato]

What influx?

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[elggawf]

What influx?

You, MsBitcoin, and one other... that's like 300% growth! Up up up!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

What influx?

My statement was tongue-in-cheek, unless I didn't get the memo on the influx.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I see we got two more women on board:

[LH66]

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

I am a woman who was drawn to btc for ideological reasons. I found this board a few months ago. I have to say that this board is not an example of a community that values the input of women. There is a tremendous amount of misogyny here. So these forums are not safe for women, not at all. Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing? Do they think intelligent, business oriented women don't notice or care about that?

For myself, when I put an ad for my accounting services in exchange for btc, I got asked twice to do somebody's accounting homework. Another troll asked if the photo on my homepage was of me naked. Neither of these comments were taken down by the board admin, and they should have been.

It starts with the leadership. If the leaders of the btc community do not want women here, which definitely seems to be the case, then the tone of the boards will be anti woman.

Also, the average woman won't know how to store btc safely. Remember one thing for women: we want safety. If/when btc becomes safe to store and carry, we'll be on board in droves. Until that time, we won't touch it, not in any real way.

The boards need to be a safe place to learn and ask questions, and btc needs to be safely stored without needing an IT degree to figure it out. Getting those two things in line will go along way to attracting intelligent women to btc.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

I am a woman who was drawn to btc for ideological reasons. I found this board a few months ago. I have to say that this board is not an example of a community that values the input of women. There is a tremendous amount of misogyny here. So these forums are not safe for women, not at all. Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing? Do they think intelligent, business oriented women don't notice or care about that?

For myself, when I put an ad for my accounting services in exchange for btc, I got asked twice to do somebody's accounting homework. Another troll asked if the photo on my homepage was of me naked. Neither of these comments were taken down by the board admin, and they should have been.

It starts with the leadership. If the leaders of the btc community do not want women here, which definitely seems to be the case, then the tone of the boards will be anti woman.

Also, the average woman won't know how to store btc safely. Remember one thing for women: we want safety. If/when btc becomes safe to store and carry, we'll be on board in droves. Until that time, we won't touch it, not in any real way.

The boards need to be a safe place to learn and ask questions, and btc needs to be safely stored without needing an IT degree to figure it out. Getting those two things in line will go along way to attracting intelligent women to btc.

+1 (I came so close to typing +[insert THAT two digit number], but that would have proven her point immensely)

This is a very well thought out post with great talking points.

[Gabi]

That post make "women" look like "special people" 

Omg someone has porn in his signature, we are doomed 

[NF6X]

Some people like porn, and some are offended by it. I don't see how that is a gender issue, since I know both men and women who fall into each category. Any free marketplace of sufficient size is likely to see trade in some commodity that somebody doesn't approve of, but tolerating things that you don't like is a necessary cost of living in a free society.

Similarly, what does gender have to do with whether a person knows how to secure their wallet?

I agree that asking random professionals to do one's homework is childish and rude, and I also agree that people who present themselves online as women are likely to get vigorously leg-humped by immature, undersexed, socially inept people. This is the least vigorously moderated forum that I regularly participate in, so I tend to notice more of that behavior here. I would not object to this forum's moderators taking a firmer stance on people being jerks to each other here.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

 Women trust other women.






Notice the color of her blouse/dress.

[LH66]

... tolerating things that you don't like is a necessary cost of living in a free society.

Hmmmm no I don't agree that people have to tolerate things they don't like. In the case of these forums and btc, it is obvious women don't like them and have not "tolerated" them. That's why they're not here and why they haven't adopted btc. That's the whole reason for this thread. "How do we get women on board?" People get on board with things they like, they don't get on board with things they merely "tolerate." Women, in particular, get on board when they feel safe. Intelligent, business oriented women who have families, who are the ones I presume the btc leadership would prefer to have first as opposed to uneducated women, won't hang around here in droves because it's not safe. And btc is not safe to hold. There is no "off the shelf" product that makes btc easy to use and very safe to carry.

These are the facts about intelligent, educated, business oriented women who also have or want children. I'm not talking about party girls here. You are of course free to disagree with me. But keep in mind one thing: the current btc marketing strategy (if it can even be called that, if there is even such a thing, yet which this board plays a part) has NOT attracted women by and large. Perhaps a change of strategy is in order. Isn't this also free market - realizing something needs to change because a HUGE segment of the market is not participating, then making the necessary change to bring in that segment?

[Gabi]

Women don't have to adopt btc, they want to have btc. Or a boyfriend with a LOT of btc. Give them a boyfriend with a lot of btc and ta dah they will adopt them instantly

[Xephan]

Women don't have to adopt btc, they want to have btc. Or a boyfriend with a LOT of btc. Give them a boyfriend with a lot of btc and ta dah they will adopt them instantly

Woman don't want BTC. They want stuff like jewelry and the latest fashion. Or a boyfriend who can give them lots of that. If BTC can give them lots of that, ta dah they will adopt them instantly.

So we just need to convince a few upper management at LV, Gucci, Prada etc...

[Kermee]

Some members here might be sexist. -- Bitcoin, in itself, is non-discriminatory.

Cheers,
Kermee

[timmey]

Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing?

I have porn advertisement in my signature too but I don't intend to offend anyone or harassed you. I do not use banners or oversized font size, my signature is far less annoying than Phinnaeus Gage's signature and his image spam posts in every thread to advertise his leather wallets. (Sorry Phinnaeus Gage   )
But I agree with you that this board isn't really made for women, it's a male nerd club.

[evoorhees]

LH66- I think these forums (as are most forums) are abrasive on all people, not specifically on women. However I do find your comment on the Bitcoin Porn signature a bit odd - for that member is very involved in these forums and I find his posts are usually compelling and thoughtful. I've never seen him post something derogatory. You may find his business objectionable, but he's not hurting anyone and isn't even posting lewd material in the forums.

[LH66]

This is a very well thought out post with great talking points.

Thank you.  

[Xephan]

So these forums are not safe for women, not at all. Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing? Do they think intelligent, business oriented women don't notice or care about that?

I think it boils down to personal sensitivity. Practically all my partners (and my country is more conservative than the States) had no problems with porn and would even suggest watching it together. Of course I suppose you might not consider the likes of a double-degree holding lawyer and bankers intelligent or business oriented but...

Also, is any woman here seriously being harrassed (the definition of which is debatable as well) for nothing except the fact she's a woman?

[LH66]

LH66- I think these forums (as are most forums) are abrasive on all people, not specifically on women.

Boards are as abrasive as the board mods allow them to be. Take Tim Ferris, for example. He has a very active blog. It's not unusual for each of his posts to receive over 100 comments. All of them are respectful, even when they express an opposing view they are respectful. It's because he has a policy that everybody understands and is enforced. Trolls are removed immediately and disrespect is not tolerated.

I really does go back to the leadership. They set the tone.

However I do find your comment on the Bitcoin Porn signature a bit odd - for that member is very involved in these forums and I find his posts are usually compelling and thoughtful. I've never seen him post something derogatory. You may find his business objectionable, but he's not hurting anyone and isn't even posting lewd material in the forums.

I am only expressing how I feel when I see such things. I have reason to believe my feelings are shared by a broad segment of women, the specific segment that would make excellent btc adopters. Plus I made no comment on the person's posts, only his sig. As I said before, the current "strategy" for getting women to adopt btc is not working. Perhaps it's time for a new strategy, one that incorporates the needs and desires of the target demographic.

[Gabi]

I think this forum is for everyone, no matter if you are a man or a woman. You don't have to tell everyone "i am a man" or "i am a woman" to use it.

[BitcoinNotify.com]

With every new technology there is this "How can we get more women on board?" step I don't understand.

Why should we?