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March 04, 2011, 07:12:19 PM
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March 04, 2011, 07:47:41 PM
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I couldn't post a comment directly to the blog, and I really felt the need to comment on this statement, I thought I'd do so here.

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I have come to the point in my life where I will only eat living plant food. I have always been a fan of common sense, and when I stepped back and looked at the whole picture, being a raw vegan was the only option. It is ethically the cleanest diet, it has the most nutrition, and it is the diet of every other wild animal on the planet. It consumes the least energy to produce and prepare, and its the diet that we have eaten for millions of years up until very recently.

Um... what? According to Anthony Anderson, there are no meat eating animals in the wild, and humans did not eat meat until recently. Wtf?
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March 04, 2011, 07:58:14 PM
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I couldn't post a comment directly to the blog, and I really felt the need to comment on this statement, I thought I'd do so here.

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I have come to the point in my life where I will only eat living plant food. I have always been a fan of common sense, and when I stepped back and looked at the whole picture, being a raw vegan was the only option. It is ethically the cleanest diet, it has the most nutrition, and it is the diet of every other wild animal on the planet. It consumes the least energy to produce and prepare, and its the diet that we have eaten for millions of years up until very recently.

Um... what? According to Anthony Anderson, there are no meat eating animals in the wild, and humans did not eat meat until recently. Wtf?

Obviously the first part is false, but it is true that it is the diet of a majority of animals.  The second depends on your definition of recently, but I'd say for most definitions it is also false.  However, this does not negate his point that it is the diet that places the least strain on our ecosystem.  Depending on who you ask, it takes about 15-20 lbs of grain to produce one pound of meat.  Of course, meat is denser calorie wise, but not by a factor of 15.  The biggest issue of course is that meat is just so damn delicious.

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March 04, 2011, 08:10:41 PM
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His science is a load of bunk. Our diets have mostly consisted of meat since the inception of the species. Our genetics haven't changed. We still need meat.
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March 04, 2011, 10:32:07 PM
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His science is a load of bunk. Our diets have mostly consisted of meat since the inception of the species. Our genetics haven't changed. We still need meat.

Right, his science is bunk and your science says our genetics haven't changed since the beginning of our species.  Regardless, billions of people on this planet are vegetarian.  We don't NEED meat.

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March 04, 2011, 11:00:12 PM
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billions of people on this planet are vegetarian

[citation needed]

Were you serious or that was some kind of sarcasm ?

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March 04, 2011, 11:08:32 PM
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billions of people on this planet are vegetarian

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Were you serious or that was some kind of sarcasm ?

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2006/08/14/stories/2006081403771200.htm

40% of india, unless you count eggs as meat, than it's 31%.


http://www.google.com/search?q=population%20of%20india shows 1.155 billion, so 358 - 462 million in India alone.  Billions might be an exaggeration, but it's probably not too far from 1 billion.

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March 04, 2011, 11:09:37 PM
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His science is a load of bunk. Our diets have mostly consisted of meat since the inception of the species. Our genetics haven't changed. We still need meat.

Right, his science is bunk and your science says our genetics haven't changed since the beginning of our species.  Regardless, billions of people on this planet are vegetarian.  We don't NEED meat.

I doubt that there are billions. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country)

I agree that we do not need meat to survive, and also that the environmental impact of raising livestock for food is high. However, I believe it is much harder to get all of the nutrients necessary for survival as a vegetarian, especially if you don't live in a first world country.
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March 04, 2011, 11:16:16 PM
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His science is a load of bunk. Our diets have mostly consisted of meat since the inception of the species. Our genetics haven't changed. We still need meat.

Right, his science is bunk and your science says our genetics haven't changed since the beginning of our species.  Regardless, billions of people on this planet are vegetarian.  We don't NEED meat.

I doubt that there are billions. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country)

I agree that we do not need meat to survive, and also that the environmental impact of raising livestock for food is high. However, I believe it is much harder to get all of the nutrients necessary for survival as a vegetarian, especially if you don't live in a first world country.

I'd say it's more difficult in a first world country.  Fresh fruits and vegetables are harder to come by in a country where the only farmers who can make a living are giant corporations who get paid by the government per acre of farmland.  It's fucking retarded that the US subsidizes corn prices for the entire world while family farmers need to work a full time job in addition to tending their land.

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March 04, 2011, 11:45:04 PM
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I'd say it's more difficult in a first world country.  Fresh fruits and vegetables are harder to come by in a country where the only farmers who can make a living are giant corporations who get paid by the government per acre of farmland.  It's fucking retarded that the US subsidizes corn prices for the entire world while family farmers need to work a full time job in addition to tending their land.
I have to disagree. In the U.S. (mostly thanks to cheap oil), we can get fruits and vegetables grown all over the world. In poorer countries (most likely to include the U.S. soon), the only available produce is that which is grown locally. I can only assume that this makes it more difficult to consume the nutrients that would otherwise be received from meat.
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March 05, 2011, 12:19:37 AM
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I'd say it's more difficult in a first world country.  Fresh fruits and vegetables are harder to come by in a country where the only farmers who can make a living are giant corporations who get paid by the government per acre of farmland.  It's fucking retarded that the US subsidizes corn prices for the entire world while family farmers need to work a full time job in addition to tending their land.
I have to disagree. In the U.S. (mostly thanks to cheap oil), we can get fruits and vegetables grown all over the world. In poorer countries (most likely to include the U.S. soon), the only available produce is that which is grown locally. I can only assume that this makes it more difficult to consume the nutrients that would otherwise be received from meat.

Right, they can only get what is grown locally, which is how you get fresh food.  U.S. food is not fresh, it is processed in ways that reduce nutrient content, and it increases poverty in the areas we buy it from since it drives up local food prices.  You can grow your own, but due to property taxes and limitations on selling fresh produce, it is tremendously difficult for a family farmer to make a living off the land.  This to me is a big problem.  We have already lost a lot of the skills involved in food cultivation, and when we do fall into the "poorer countries" category, as you seem to think we will and I can definitely see as a possibilty, we won't have the infrastructure to feed ourselves.

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March 05, 2011, 12:44:18 AM
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First-word nations seem to be feeding themselves just fine.


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March 05, 2011, 03:10:06 AM
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Wow talk about veering off topic, must be time for a Goodwin intervention.  Of course everyone knows that Hiter was a vegetarianGrin

It does seem that a lack of nourishment isn't really the problem today though, it's over nourishment.  Last year more people tied of obesity than of starvation.

Where are all those population-control advocates who said in the 1970s we were going to run out of food (and oil)?  Oh yeah, they forgot about technology and the free market.  They usually do.

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March 05, 2011, 10:01:10 AM
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billions of people on this planet are vegetarian

[citation needed]

Were you serious or that was some kind of sarcasm ?

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2006/08/14/stories/2006081403771200.htm

40% of india, unless you count eggs as meat, than it's 31%.


http://www.google.com/search?q=population%20of%20india shows 1.155 billion, so 358 - 462 million in India alone.  Billions might be an exaggeration, but it's probably not too far from 1 billion.

Not too far from 1 billion is very far from "billions". So my point stands.
There is not so much vegetarians in the world as one would think.

Also, check out the wikipedia article. A lot of vegetarians don't eat meat from financial reasons, not ideological.

So there is even less "true" vegetarians out there.

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March 06, 2011, 04:49:25 AM
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Not too far from 1 billion is very far from "billions". So my point stands.
Agreed, I admitted it was an exaggeration.

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Also, check out the wikipedia article. A lot of vegetarians don't eat meat from financial reasons, not ideological.

So there is even less "true" vegetarians out there.
Irrelevant to my point, which was we don't need meat to survive.


First-word nations seem to be feeding themselves just fine.
Absolutely, but we aren't growing it, we're importing it.  The hypothetical situation being discussed was the dollar tanking.  If that happened, we wouldn't be able to afford the imports because of the cost of transportation.  Sure we would have plenty of corn, but most other foodstuffs would have huge price jumps.

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March 08, 2011, 05:30:29 AM
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WTF?  What happened to the super-sexy (according to Bruce) underwear model generating publicity for Bitcoin?  All the sudden everyone is talking about vegetarianism.... 
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