Announcement: Bitmain launches AntMiner solution, 0.68 J/GH on chip

[tzortz]

Guys its been at least 2 out of 10 of bitmain that were used (much dust), and also overclocked!

Are they serious? How can they have warranty when they send them o'cked?

Support also sucks, sorry.

Bitmain, any comment on this

I doubt they will answer.

[tazdas]

In my case I did get a RMA number from Bitmain and full ship back information and their UPS account number to send the bad miner back..

It took about 4 days to get the RMA # after I provided the screen shot ...

[tzortz]

In my case I did get a RMA number from Bitmain and full ship back information and their UPS account number to send the bad miner back..

It took about 4 days to get the RMA # after I provided the screen shot ...

When was that?

[reactor]

Guys its been at least 2 out of 10 of bitmain that were used (much dust), and also overclocked!

Are they serious? How can they have warranty when they send them o'cked?

Support also sucks, sorry.

Bitmain, any comment on this

Don't count on it, I contacted them five times regarding my group buy and eventually dissolved it, only after their original reply was get it together and contact them.  I won't deal with these folks direct, purchased a few usb's from folks in the GB section for sentimental reasons, otherwise I'm basically done with them as a vendor.  Customer service is good when it is good and completely and utterly sucks otherwise. 

Yet another mining vendor...  Fear not though, they can still cash in all the BTC the community has paid them to retire before a single S2 will ROI.

[tzortz]

Guys its been at least 2 out of 10 of bitmain that were used (much dust), and also overclocked!

Are they serious? How can they have warranty when they send them o'cked?

Support also sucks, sorry.

Bitmain, any comment on this

Don't count on it, I contacted them five times regarding my group buy and eventually dissolved it, only after their original reply was get it together and contact them.  I won't deal with these folks direct, purchased a few usb's from folks in the GB section for sentimental reasons, otherwise I'm basically done with them as a vendor.  Customer service is good when it is good and completely and utterly sucks otherwise. 

Yet another mining vendor...  Fear not though, they can still cash in all the BTC the community has paid them to retire before a single S2 will ROI.

I bet will happen!

[peruana]

Guys come on, I think we are being a bit unappreciative. This guy could have retired years ago but he hasn't maybe its greed but just maybe he likes it.

He could easily join the bandwagon of others that pre-sell you equipment sitting in their warehouse making them money until they are nice and worthless before shipping.

If you get a dusty one, clean it
If you get an over-clocked one and you don't want it over-clocked, change it back

If you get a faulty or partial dead one he will credit towards another


As far as warranty, ohhh please? These things aren't toasters and this dammmmmmmn sure is not retail mister!


There is no crying in mining so stay focused......

[tzortz]

Guys come on, I think we are being a bit unappreciative. This guy could have retired years ago but he hasn't maybe its greed but just maybe he likes it.

He could easily join the bandwagon of others that pre-sell you equipment sitting in their warehouse making them money until they are nice and worthless before shipping.

If you get a dusty one, clean it
If you get an over-clocked one and you don't want it over-clocked, change it back

If you get a faulty or partial dead one he will credit towards another


As far as warranty, ohhh please? These things aren't toasters and this dammmmmmmn sure is not retail mister!


There is no crying in mining so stay focused......

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

[dropt]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

[tzortz]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

[ElGabo]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

Looks like dude you wasn't here when this whole asic race started....

Read the old threads and please do your homework before you say a word....

Thanks!

 

[tzortz]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

Looks like dude you wasn't here when this whole asic race started....

Read the old threads and please do your homework before you say a word....

Thanks!

 

I am sorry I am a newbie here, but can you please explain which page are you referring to of the 104?

Can you please explain with a few words of what you mean?

[ElGabo]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

Looks like dude you wasn't here when this whole asic race started....

Read the old threads and please do your homework before you say a word....

Thanks!

 

I am sorry I am a newbie here, but can you please explain which page are you referring to of the 104?

Can you please explain with a few words of what you mean?

Not here in Bitmain topic. These times they are the best as Knc was last year october.

Bfl

Hashfast

Avalon (trade in, batch 3, chips)

Cointerra

Bitmine

bAsic

And a lot of scams who has stolen hundreds of btc-s.

You could be happy to pay for an asic and get it from stock. Nobody did this before.

Sorry, Asicminer did but very overpriced.....

Just do some research before you say something. A lot of people lost a lot of btc and fiat in scams, late deliverys, and so on and so on....

[tzortz]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

Looks like dude you wasn't here when this whole asic race started....

Read the old threads and please do your homework before you say a word....

Thanks!

 

I am sorry I am a newbie here, but can you please explain which page are you referring to of the 104?

Can you please explain with a few words of what you mean?

Not here in Bitmain topic. These times they are the best as Knc was last year october.

Bfl

Hashfast

Avalon (trade in, batch 3, chips)

Cointerra

Bitmine

bAsic

And a lot of scams who has stolen hundreds of btc-s.

You could be happy to pay for an asic and get it from stock. Nobody did this before.

Sorry, Asicminer did but very overpriced.....

Just do some research before you say something. A lot of people lost a lot of btc and fiat in scams, late deliverys, and so on and so on....

You say things I know and have NOTHING to do with what I said earlier.

You need to read more carefully, for God shake.

[ElGabo]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

Looks like dude you wasn't here when this whole asic race started....

Read the old threads and please do your homework before you say a word....

Thanks!

 

I am sorry I am a newbie here, but can you please explain which page are you referring to of the 104?

Can you please explain with a few words of what you mean?

Not here in Bitmain topic. These times they are the best as Knc was last year october.

Bfl

Hashfast

Avalon (trade in, batch 3, chips)

Cointerra

Bitmine

bAsic

And a lot of scams who has stolen hundreds of btc-s.

You could be happy to pay for an asic and get it from stock. Nobody did this before.

Sorry, Asicminer did but very overpriced.....

Just do some research before you say something. A lot of people lost a lot of btc and fiat in scams, late deliverys, and so on and so on....

You say things I know and have NOTHING to do with what I said earlier.

You need to read more carefully, for God shake.

Just read again.

I give up...

Edit: I don't want to change the world. Let's go put an order at an other "good' company and we can talk later your experience

[tzortz]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

Looks like dude you wasn't here when this whole asic race started....

Read the old threads and please do your homework before you say a word....

Thanks!

 

I am sorry I am a newbie here, but can you please explain which page are you referring to of the 104?

Can you please explain with a few words of what you mean?

Not here in Bitmain topic. These times they are the best as Knc was last year october.

Bfl

Hashfast

Avalon (trade in, batch 3, chips)

Cointerra

Bitmine

bAsic

And a lot of scams who has stolen hundreds of btc-s.

You could be happy to pay for an asic and get it from stock. Nobody did this before.

Sorry, Asicminer did but very overpriced.....

Just do some research before you say something. A lot of people lost a lot of btc and fiat in scams, late deliverys, and so on and so on....

You say things I know and have NOTHING to do with what I said earlier.

You need to read more carefully, for God shake.

Just read again.

I give up...

Edit: I don't want to change the world. Let's go put an order at an other "good' company and we can talk later your experience

Thank you so much!

[ElGabo]

Yes and when I paid my first dozen with 1.9BTC each, what is it?

Dont tell me I earned ROI, that was my risk. What was his??

"He" funded the whole ASIC Design, ASIC production, PCB Design, PCB Assembly, and whatever else on "his" own and didn't ask for a single cent of customer pre-order money.

That's what "his" risk was: millions of dollars.

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

Looks like dude you wasn't here when this whole asic race started....

Read the old threads and please do your homework before you say a word....

Thanks!

 

I am sorry I am a newbie here, but can you please explain which page are you referring to of the 104?

Can you please explain with a few words of what you mean?

Not here in Bitmain topic. These times they are the best as Knc was last year october.

Bfl

Hashfast

Avalon (trade in, batch 3, chips)

Cointerra

Bitmine

bAsic

And a lot of scams who has stolen hundreds of btc-s.

You could be happy to pay for an asic and get it from stock. Nobody did this before.

Sorry, Asicminer did but very overpriced.....

Just do some research before you say something. A lot of people lost a lot of btc and fiat in scams, late deliverys, and so on and so on....

You say things I know and have NOTHING to do with what I said earlier.

You need to read more carefully, for God shake.

Just read again.

I give up...

Edit: I don't want to change the world. Let's go put an order at an other "good' company and we can talk later your experience

Thank you so much!

You're welcomed! 

[jjiimm_64]

Just read again.

I give up...

Edit: I don't want to change the world. Let's go put an order at an other "good' company and we can talk later your experience

this!!

and please let us know what other company you choose.

[dropt]

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

At the time Bitmain was developing their 55nm chips KnC, Cointerra, Hashfast, and countless others were going to flood the market with 28nm chips promising all sorts of things.  Bitmain took a risk that their chip would even be competitive late November, early December.  Further, there is/was no guarantee that their chip would function as expected the first go-around.  

There is massive overhead and a lot of variables at play.  Near every single ASIC manufacturer has placed all of that risk on the consumer whereas Bitmain did not.  They risked their own money, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses.  Their risk was far greater than yours was in purchasing any of their hardware at any point in time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

I don't know how I'd classify the S2.  Was it a pre-order? Maybe, maybe not, but I certainly didn't buy one because I didn't like the prospect of waiting and seeing, not that didn't trust Bitmain.  In response to your other comment, the S2 orders have nothing to do with 55nm development.  That was done in November long before they sold a single machine.  What you and others did with the S2 pre-orders, if you want to call them that, was assure Bitmain that there was a market for a new product based on their old chip design.  From my knowledge they didn't sell hundreds of S2s, and they haven't kept rolling sales going.  Good on them.

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

No, I mean their risk was greater than ours in terms of magnitude.  They risked millions and you risked $3,000.  As covered above, they took a risk that their money wouldn't be wasted on a failed design, and/or wasted on a design that was non-competitive in the face of the 28nm rush of all their competitors.

  

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

I'm sure they could.  From my time in Bitcoin and ASIC land what I understand is that Chinese business does not care for Western concepts.  In China the customer is not always right, and in reality they (customer) could by all accounts go eff' themselves.  The idea of hand-holding and end-user support is not something that exists in Chinese business models.

[tzortz]

They had great knowledge of the hardware market, and they just hit on the right time.
They surely knew they would sell their stock immediately to the thirsty miners in no time.

At the time Bitmain was developing their 55nm chips KnC, Cointerra, Hashfast, and countless others were going to flood the market with 28nm chips promising all sorts of things.  Bitmain took a risk that their chip would even be competitive late November, early December.  Further, there is/was no guarantee that their chip would function as expected the first go-around.  

There is massive overhead and a lot of variables at play.  Near every single ASIC manufacturer has placed all of that risk on the consumer whereas Bitmain did not.  They risked their own money, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses.  Their risk was far greater than yours was in purchasing any of their hardware at any point in time.

Now, you mean we didn't fund them with their expensive S2? Aren't they a preorder? For designing what ? A 55nm?

I don't know how I'd classify the S2.  Was it a pre-order? Maybe, maybe not, but I certainly didn't buy one because I didn't like the prospect of waiting and seeing, not that didn't trust Bitmain.  In response to your other comment, the S2 orders have nothing to do with 55nm development.  That was done in November long before they sold a single machine.  What you and others did with the S2 pre-orders, if you want to call them that, was assure Bitmain that there was a market for a new product based on their old chip design.  From my knowledge they didn't sell hundreds of S2s, and they haven't kept rolling sales going.  Good on them.

And you mean that the risk of us mining, is the same as Bitmains?
You mean they risked and would not sell their equipment?

No, I mean their risk was greater than ours in terms of magnitude.  They risked millions and you risked $3,000.  As covered above, they took a risk that their money wouldn't be wasted on a failed design, and/or wasted on a design that was non-competitive in the face of the 28nm rush of all their competitors.

  

And as the "millions" you said they spent, I am sure they could afford a single person just to reply to their emails.

I'm sure they could.  From my time in Bitcoin and ASIC land what I understand is that Chinese business does not care for Western concepts.  In China the customer is not always right, and in reality they (customer) could by all accounts go eff' themselves.  The idea of hand-holding and end-user support is not something that exists in Chinese business models.

Was that an answer from Bitmain?

What am I missing here?

[ElGabo]

Just read again.

I give up...

Edit: I don't want to change the world. Let's go put an order at an other "good' company and we can talk later your experience

this!!

and please let us know what other company you choose.

I think you misunderstood me, maybe because English is not my first language.

I think Bitmain is the best option now, and wanted to say this guy has to make an order from an other "good" company and see what he get.

Hope it's clear now.