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April 27, 2018, 02:48:50 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.
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April 27, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
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You're really in a bad situation bud, it's sad to say that you really can't get the money back or the bitcoin back if you do have only the address. You need to have the private key of that account in order to have access in the wallet and get it, but i think it would be impossible since it's in your supervisor (Correct me if i'm wrong). But you can get track of the transaction in that address through blockchain but it would be hard if the bitcoin goes into exchange it will be untrackable.

If you know personally your supervisor you can just tell it to police and file a case against him/her. I may not be helpful enough sorry, I hope you learn your lesson.
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

I'm having some trouble understanding your story.

Someone who owns you money sends you 4.5k through a "friend"(?) to you, in fiat(?) your supervisor tells you to convert the fiat(?) to bitcoin, which you did using the bitcoin shop(?)?

Where do you have the bitcoins now? Can't you use an exchange such as bitstamp to convert the bitcoin back to EUR and send the euros back to the bank account of the "friend"(?) that send the money to  you in the first place?

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April 27, 2018, 04:08:09 PM
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You're really in a bad situation bud, it's sad to say that you really can't get the money back or the bitcoin back if you do have only the address. You need to have the private key of that account in order to have access in the wallet and get it, but i think it would be impossible since it's in your supervisor (Correct me if i'm wrong). But you can get track of the transaction in that address through blockchain but it would be hard if the bitcoin goes into exchange it will be untrackable.

If you know personally your supervisor you can just tell it to police and file a case against him/her. I may not be helpful enough sorry, I hope you learn your lesson.

Bitcoin users are mostly anonymous I do not know what he can do with the bitcoin tx id of the transaction mate. If the person is high rank in this forum means we can ask to DTs to discuss on and can request to tag as well due to scamming with the other members.

As you said he cannot make the complaint on him since no government accepted bitcoin as legal money expect Japan. Even police cannot give any fuck to them mate.
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April 27, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.
How can I return this money back? If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.
This is an unfortunate incident. Because, it is difficult to consider the situation through your narrative that they have colluded and joined together to scam you or not. But, as I think, there is no way to get back the money you sent into their BTC wallet. There are no exceptions to blockchain and finally, it is their voluntary.
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April 27, 2018, 05:46:50 PM
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Do not return the money. This is the problem of your employer
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April 27, 2018, 05:50:55 PM
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You're really in a bad situation bud, it's sad to say that you really can't get the money back or the bitcoin back if you do have only the address. You need to have the private key of that account in order to have access in the wallet and get it, but i think it would be impossible since it's in your supervisor (Correct me if i'm wrong). But you can get track of the transaction in that address through blockchain but it would be hard if the bitcoin goes into exchange it will be untrackable.

If you know personally your supervisor you can just tell it to police and file a case against him/her. I may not be helpful enough sorry, I hope you learn your lesson.

Bitcoin users are mostly anonymous I do not know what he can do with the bitcoin tx id of the transaction mate. If the person is high rank in this forum means we can ask to DTs to discuss on and can request to tag as well due to scamming with the other members.

As you said he cannot make the complaint on him since no government accepted bitcoin as legal money expect Japan. Even police cannot give any fuck to them mate.


Is it possible to hack somehow this account?
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April 27, 2018, 05:55:18 PM
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There is no way to reverse or break the blockchain of bitcoin. I think only their kindness, contact the bank to find your information. They can voluntarily return it for good purpose. Also, I do not think there is any other way. It is difficult to identify fraudulent factors in this case. But your "supervisor" may be the problem so you can deal with this unfortunate loss.

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There is no way to reverse or break the blockchain of bitcoin. I think only their kindness, contact the bank to find your information. They can voluntarily return it for good purpose. Also, I do not think there is any other way. It is difficult to identify fraudulent factors in this case. But your "supervisor" may be the problem so you can deal with this unfortunate loss.



Unfortunately i wrote my supervisor begging messages to return money but i have no answer
May be it is possible to hack this bitcoin account somehow?
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April 27, 2018, 06:13:53 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

Let me guess. You were hired online and worked from home? If so, then chances are you were lured into a banking fraud scheme that steals money from accounts.

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April 27, 2018, 06:22:26 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

It was an inside stuff at your company's premises so why in the first place we will know what actions should be done. There are some confusions on some part of the story but I will not take it for now as what matter here is and  must be prioritized is....

..by taking it on legal and asked your supervisor. What kind of supervisor you have if they didn't answering your calls. Talk to your bosses and plan for a counter. You guys there have to collaborate with each other to solve that case. No way it can be solved by posting it here in the community.


Unfortunately i wrote my supervisor begging messages to return money but i have no answer
May be it is possible to hack this bitcoin account somehow?

No. Focus on contacting him first. What kind of office is that? You even don't meet your supervisor personally?

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April 27, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
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Let me guess. You were hired online and worked from home? If so, then chances are you were lured into a banking fraud scheme that steals money from accounts.

Unfornutately you are right, and i dont know what to do.
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April 27, 2018, 06:37:57 PM
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Let me guess. You were hired online and worked from home? If so, then chances are you were lured into a banking fraud scheme that steals money from accounts.

Unfornutately you are right, and i dont know what to do.

Well there's nothing you can do. Banks are well aware of this type of fraud (it goes on for decades) and usually people like you who got involved into it without knowledge don't get punished hard. Provide your bank and/or police with as much evidence as you can proving you're a victim here, all emails, websites, phone call lists etc and let them take it from there. In 99.9% this won't lead to catching anyone but it will help you to avoid charges.

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April 27, 2018, 06:44:28 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

It was an inside stuff at your company's premises so why in the first place we will know what actions should be done. There are some confusions on some part of the story but I will not take it for now as what matter here is and  must be prioritized is....

..by taking it on legal and asked your supervisor. What kind of supervisor you have if they didn't answering your calls. Talk to your bosses and plan for a counter. You guys there have to collaborate with each other to solve that case. No way it can be solved by posting it here in the community.


Unfortunately i wrote my supervisor begging messages to return money but i have no answer
May be it is possible to hack this bitcoin account somehow?

No. Focus on contacting him first. What kind of office is that? You even don't meet your supervisor personally?

My supervisor is one of the people who stole the money. I wrote a lot of messages but i havent received any answer so i think i am in a trap and i dont know what can i do.
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April 27, 2018, 06:57:45 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

I'm having some trouble understanding your story.

Someone who owns you money sends you 4.5k through a "friend"(?) to you, in fiat(?) your supervisor tells you to convert the fiat(?) to bitcoin, which you did using the bitcoin shop(?)?

Where do you have the bitcoins now? Can't you use an exchange such as bitstamp to convert the bitcoin back to EUR and send the euros back to the bank account of the "friend"(?) that send the money to  you in the first place?

Same here, I do not understand what he's talking about.

I feel you have been cheated by your boss and also his clients? correct? Since you have contacted your boss but he did not reply, if like this I find it difficult for you to get back what you have lost, because even if you can hack his wallet, maybe your bitcoin has been converted by him.

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April 27, 2018, 07:14:40 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

I'm having some trouble understanding your story.

Someone who owns you money sends you 4.5k through a "friend"(?) to you, in fiat(?) your supervisor tells you to convert the fiat(?) to bitcoin, which you did using the bitcoin shop(?)?

Where do you have the bitcoins now? Can't you use an exchange such as bitstamp to convert the bitcoin back to EUR and send the euros back to the bank account of the "friend"(?) that send the money to  you in the first place?

Same here, I do not understand what he's talking about.

I feel you have been cheated by your boss and also his clients? correct? Since you have contacted your boss but he did not reply, if like this I find it difficult for you to get back what you have lost, because even if you can hack his wallet, maybe your bitcoin has been converted by him.


You understand everything right. But maybe it wasn’t? What do I have to do?
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April 27, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
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Same here, I do not understand what he's talking about.

I feel you have been cheated by your boss and also his clients? correct? Since you have contacted your boss but he did not reply, if like this I find it difficult for you to get back what you have lost, because even if you can hack his wallet, maybe your bitcoin has been converted by him.

It's rather simple. He (she) was hired online to do a "work" which is basically about receiving banking transfers and forwarding them for a small percent as "salary". In this case he was required to convert received cash to BTC and then forward it. So when the fraudulent transfer is discovered by the bank and they request funds to be returned the money is already gone. OP was hoping to be able to revoke BTC transfer he made, which is obviously impossible.

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Same here, I do not understand what he's talking about.

I feel you have been cheated by your boss and also his clients? correct? Since you have contacted your boss but he did not reply, if like this I find it difficult for you to get back what you have lost, because even if you can hack his wallet, maybe your bitcoin has been converted by him.

It's rather simple. He (she) was hired online to do a "work" which is basically about receiving banking transfers and forwarding them for a small percent as "salary". In this case he was required to convert received cash to BTC and then forward it. So when the fraudulent transfer is discovered by the bank and they request funds to be returned the money is already gone. OP was hoping to be able to revoke BTC transfer he made, which is obviously impossible.


So what can I do in this case?
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April 27, 2018, 07:59:47 PM
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Same here, I do not understand what he's talking about.

I feel you have been cheated by your boss and also his clients? correct? Since you have contacted your boss but he did not reply, if like this I find it difficult for you to get back what you have lost, because even if you can hack his wallet, maybe your bitcoin has been converted by him.

It's rather simple. He (she) was hired online to do a "work" which is basically about receiving banking transfers and forwarding them for a small percent as "salary". In this case he was required to convert received cash to BTC and then forward it. So when the fraudulent transfer is discovered by the bank and they request funds to be returned the money is already gone. OP was hoping to be able to revoke BTC transfer he made, which is obviously impossible.


So what can I do in this case?

I already told you (see above), there's not much you can do.

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You have a very difficult and sad situation. Try to talk to the boss, because he allowed you to do this operation. this is his responsibility



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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

I hope you don't get fired for this. If you have the private key to the wallet address then you will able to control where or when to send it or exchange it, but when you just did send it to an address that you don't possess the keys. Then you are in big trouble.
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Same here, I do not understand what he's talking about.

I feel you have been cheated by your boss and also his clients? correct? Since you have contacted your boss but he did not reply, if like this I find it difficult for you to get back what you have lost, because even if you can hack his wallet, maybe your bitcoin has been converted by him.

It's rather simple. He (she) was hired online to do a "work" which is basically about receiving banking transfers and forwarding them for a small percent as "salary". In this case he was required to convert received cash to BTC and then forward it. So when the fraudulent transfer is discovered by the bank and they request funds to be returned the money is already gone. OP was hoping to be able to revoke BTC transfer he made, which is obviously impossible.


So what can I do in this case?

I'm sorry to hear that but there's nothing you can do to get back that money and that is a big amount to begin with. To share my experience, I was also hired similar to yours but it doesn't involved bitcoin, because it there's no crypto that time. I was asked to withdraw the money from the bank, but I think I smell something fishy that's why I turned away. As far as hacking, we won't advise you to do that because you have to pay someone to do it for you and besides how will you know that the hackers will give back the money to you anyways?

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May 01, 2018, 03:23:49 PM
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Well, I don't even think this to be now a matter of giving back the money, but of protecting yourself. I'm afraid, it seems to be some kind of scam in which not only the client but also your boss is implied.
So, two questions:
- Do you have a formal contract with your boss, meaning a legal one in which your activities are detailed?
- Do you have all the messages, something related to the spending-money activity and something that can explain why do you received and sent this amount?

Because, looking at what happened, you don't need a hacker, but a lawyer.

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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

Which bitcoin wallet did you use? Assuming you created you own wallet and have the keys to it then you can just convert it back to fiat. However, if they gave you the wallet address and you transferred it in there - then unfortunately you've been scammed.

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Unfortunately i wrote my supervisor begging messages to return money but i have no answer
May be it is possible to hack this bitcoin account somehow?

Why do you talk about hacking account? This is what I don't like about your confused story. When you talk about hacking, it means you have a dubious tendencies yourself. Otherwise, you should be looking at legal means since you know both the debtors and your supervisor in person or traceable.
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.
Dont worry you wont be banned. Actually you dont really have the problem at all yet your supervisor do told that you should put up those money in a bitcoin wallet. The thing questions on my mind why those funds would be needed to be transferred? This would be the main question into this problem.Your supervisor should really be sued out on such situation but the thing here is that proofs would be required since its verbal then it would be hard for them to believe on what you have said. Bitcoin transactions is anonymous and anytime we can really deny on making such transactions.

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May 02, 2018, 06:49:07 PM
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Unfortunately i wrote my supervisor begging messages to return money but i have no answer
May be it is possible to hack this bitcoin account somehow?

Why do you talk about hacking account? This is what I don't like about your confused story. When you talk about hacking, it means you have a dubious tendencies yourself. Otherwise, you should be looking at legal means since you know both the debtors and your supervisor in person or traceable.

Hacking is happening on various big exchanges and mining hash buying sites as well. In that meanwhile you are saying loosing the fund with the supervision simply nonsense I think. We do not need to worry about the hacking if that happen.
All you need to do precaution to safeguard your wallet better in future. Nothing else work while you are victim of hacking.

 
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May 02, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
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Unfortunately i wrote my supervisor begging messages to return money but i have no answer
May be it is possible to hack this bitcoin account somehow?

Why do you talk about hacking account? This is what I don't like about your confused story. When you talk about hacking, it means you have a dubious tendencies yourself. Otherwise, you should be looking at legal means since you know both the debtors and your supervisor in person or traceable.

Hacking is happening on various big exchanges and mining hash buying sites as well. In that meanwhile you are saying loosing the fund with the supervision simply nonsense I think. We do not need to worry about the hacking if that happen.
All you need to do precaution to safeguard your wallet better in future. Nothing else work while you are victim of hacking.

Yes a little thing will send to you a big danger zone so new people will learn from this so i think the punishment will be definitely given to the victim but hope a chance will be given it will be very helpful for him to do make a changes in his move.

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May 02, 2018, 08:27:13 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

It was an inside stuff at your company's premises so why in the first place we will know what actions should be done. There are some confusions on some part of the story but I will not take it for now as what matter here is and  must be prioritized is....

..by taking it on legal and asked your supervisor. What kind of supervisor you have if they didn't answering your calls. Talk to your bosses and plan for a counter. You guys there have to collaborate with each other to solve that case. No way it can be solved by posting it here in the community.


Unfortunately i wrote my supervisor begging messages to return money but i have no answer
May be it is possible to hack this bitcoin account somehow?

No. Focus on contacting him first. What kind of office is that? You even don't meet your supervisor personally?

My supervisor is one of the people who stole the money. I wrote a lot of messages but i havent received any answer so i think i am in a trap and i dont know what can i do.


Then take it on legal. What else you can do? Legal process will not force you to return the money back as there will be an investigation first and bank will recognized that. State the name of supervisor and detailed it properly to the authorities.

If the company of yours who hired you is not legit and they are running illegaly then you sorry to say that you are fucked up.

Ok so how it is going now after weeks on the making? What is the progress?

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Sincerely with sympathy,continue to be careful.Give the Bank and the police evidence proving that you're the victim here.
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May 22, 2018, 10:16:37 AM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

why worry buddy? if you put that money into bitcoin then convert it back to fiat... if you place that money when btc price has drop to 7k then you are lucky to have a profit by now... open your wallet send the coin to exhange and convert to fiat and send it to your bank account... thats very simple.
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You are really on the hot sit my friend but one mistake you did is to use personal thins on your work like using your own personal account when engaging on money, and that is a very big no when you are working under the finance department, since it will create a confusing in the future.

But don't panic, it is basic to say that the only person who has the authority to get the money back is the person who send you the money!!
But, there always a but! If the bank call you and the person who gave you the money is not calling you then just relax your safe you don;t need to panic wait for their email and say what I have said, but if the both parties are saying they want the money back then don't immediate give it to them! Look for a letter why they want the money back, don't give them because they say so, they can not send you to police either since they don't have the request or proper procedure on having the money back.

Chill, life is easy, but for the meantime print some of the transaction copy of the money transfer as back up to defend yourself.

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May 22, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

why worry buddy? if you put that money into bitcoin then convert it back to fiat... if you place that money when btc price has drop to 7k then you are lucky to have a profit by now... open your wallet send the coin to exhange and convert to fiat and send it to your bank account... thats very simple.
There is simply no way he can convert the money he sent to someone else's bitcoin address to fiat when he does not have any access to that wallet. The issue now is that, it is either the supervisor purposely scammed him to make him fall for it, which is what I am assuming now, and God save him that is not the case. He is simply at the mercy of his supervisor now, because the fund sent can only be traceable to him, and if there is no official conversation between him and the supervisor, I am wondering how is going to be proving himself of his innocence in this matter.
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May 22, 2018, 05:39:50 PM
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

why worry buddy? if you put that money into bitcoin then convert it back to fiat... if you place that money when btc price has drop to 7k then you are lucky to have a profit by now... open your wallet send the coin to exhange and convert to fiat and send it to your bank account... thats very simple.

Today actually you can see the bitcoin price dumped little cheaper in the market mate. If you look to invest your fiat cash on the cryptocurrencies that will be work better than exchange the btc to fiat now.
There are many people had been a victim over the exchange and somewhere scammed in the forum mas well.
We need to check the people before we deal with them else at least we need to have escrow for it.
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May 23, 2018, 04:23:11 AM
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It is sad to see that cryptocurrency is being used to scam people and put the blame to people who are working diligently. This just like one of the new that I have heard in tge Philippines where they used BTC to scam millions worth of fiat by using an MLM type of scheme. Based on your story it seems like it was your supervisors advise to put it in the BTC wallet so it can be part of his/her ploy to put the blame to you. I am just speculating thing but It would need to be further investigated by your company and hopefully your name will be cleared.

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I hope you don't get fired for this. If you have the private key to the wallet address then you will able to control where or when to send it or exchange it, but when you just did send it to an address that you don't possess the keys. Then you are in big trouble.
That is if he has not been fired yet looking at the time he posted this and now. That is a huge amount of money and he was really dumb to fall for such a thing sending such an amount in bitcoin to a supervisor that he possibly cannot trace. However, what I do not understand is that how did they converse ? Was it via email, phone call or SMS ?

If it was phone call, then he is really screwed but one way or the other, I believe the supervisor should have at least sent the bitcoin wallet address via email or something, and if he did not use an official number, then he is even more screwed !

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I was once a victim of fraud. One has to be careful when dealing online
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It is sad to see that cryptocurrency is being used to scam people and put the blame to people who are working diligently. This just like one of the new that I have heard in tge Philippines where they used BTC to scam millions worth of fiat by using an MLM type of scheme. Based on your story it seems like it was your supervisors advise to put it in the BTC wallet so it can be part of his/her ploy to put the blame to you. I am just speculating thing but It would need to be further investigated by your company and hopefully your name will be cleared.

The Philippine case is different though, its a Ponzi scheme and the culprit was caught. In the OP's case, it looks like he/she was really used as a sort of middleman to broker something and worst is that he/she is totally compromise, As we have noticed, he/she didn't reply so it only means one thing. He/she is out of the job, his personal data compromise and worst part is that is involves a lot of money (4,500 euros). Hope though that he/she is ok and has since move on.

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As each and every activity happens through the interlinked internet connectivity the chances of getting into traps were big. We need to be more cautious in this activities. Possibly, should make use of the chances available to keep ourselves away from scammers and other fraudulents.
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This is big. How on earth will your supervisor ask you to send money that belong to the company to be a bitcoin wallet in the first place and you did not see that as something that you should suspect?

Yes, he may have the intention of using the funds increase in value to make some additional bucks at the detriment of your own job since you obviously will not have anything to proof that you actually sent it to him unless you had some official email communication you can make available to proof that you he actually requested you to take that action. Sorry bro, you have a big case in your hand.
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What happened I realized, but how happened I did not fully understand. Who are you looking for??? ... If all that you wrote is true, take a lesson and go on with life. Good luck!
I really hope he could actually come back to tell us how his case finally ended up. Well, that if he is not in a prison yet for doing such a dumb and absurd thing because I totally see that as huge level of carelessness.

No matter what, he should not have done that without an official written statement directly from the supervisor since that has never been the main protocol right from time. This is obviously going to be long gone as he would not have any case on the supervisor if the supervisor's intention is actually to scam as he can easily deny that even happened.
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Sincerely with sympathy,continue to be careful.Give the Bank and the police evidence proving that you're the victim here.
Where is he going to get the evidence from? With the way it is, the supervisor could have actually been able to find a way to cover his own tracks and it could be a plan to set him up for his own scam.

He should have at least asked questions before making such a decision in the first place and unless the supervisor made some conversation with him in written form that is going to be traceable to him, then he is so screwed already and from my assumption, the reason he is not giving us feedback now is because court case have finally sent him to a jailed term.
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What happened I realized, but how happened I did not fully understand. Who are you looking for??? ... If all that you wrote is true, take a lesson and go on with life. Good luck!
I really hope he could actually come back to tell us how his case finally ended up. Well, that if he is not in a prison yet for doing such a dumb and absurd thing because I totally see that as huge level of carelessness.

No matter what, he should not have done that without an official written statement directly from the supervisor since that has never been the main protocol right from time. This is obviously going to be long gone as he would not have any case on the supervisor if the supervisor's intention is actually to scam as he can easily deny that even happened.
Scammers are everywhere so we need to be careful with our money always even there are lot of frauds happening with the fiat money transaction in the loan field of my country but the victims are innocent normal workers.That is why escrows are important in the crypto transaction while doing big trades.









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June 07, 2018, 11:53:55 AM
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What happened I realized, but how happened I did not fully understand. Who are you looking for??? ... If all that you wrote is true, take a lesson and go on with life. Good luck!
I really hope he could actually come back to tell us how his case finally ended up. Well, that if he is not in a prison yet for doing such a dumb and absurd thing because I totally see that as huge level of carelessness.

No matter what, he should not have done that without an official written statement directly from the supervisor since that has never been the main protocol right from time. This is obviously going to be long gone as he would not have any case on the supervisor if the supervisor's intention is actually to scam as he can easily deny that even happened.
Scammers are everywhere so we need to be careful with our money always even there are lot of frauds happening with the fiat money transaction in the loan field of my country but the victims are innocent normal workers.That is why escrows are important in the crypto transaction while doing big trades.

You cannot be careful without any proof for the payment and no middle man. If you have any trusted person like Ognasty as the escrow you will be not getting any trouble in your payment or anything. I have many people just do the payment without safety with the newbie guys.
Whenever I have the trade I use to call the Neotax to be part of it. So I did not get any scammed bro.
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What happened I realized, but how happened I did not fully understand. Who are you looking for??? ... If all that you wrote is true, take a lesson and go on with life. Good luck!
I really hope he could actually come back to tell us how his case finally ended up. Well, that if he is not in a prison yet for doing such a dumb and absurd thing because I totally see that as huge level of carelessness.

No matter what, he should not have done that without an official written statement directly from the supervisor since that has never been the main protocol right from time. This is obviously going to be long gone as he would not have any case on the supervisor if the supervisor's intention is actually to scam as he can easily deny that even happened.
Scammers are everywhere so we need to be careful with our money always even there are lot of frauds happening with the fiat money transaction in the loan field of my country but the victims are innocent normal workers.That is why escrows are important in the crypto transaction while doing big trades.
Everywhere there are a lot of scammers who are in search of those foolish people who don’t save their bitcoin as safe as it should be, we need to be careful most of time we lose money on opening all kind of sites most of them makes fakes sites to make innocent people fool and fraud with them so instead of blaming other for scamming us and crying over spit milk better to be careful at the beginning.
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this is really a bad situation.. this is actually your customer problem not yours.. you have done your work by sending amount

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July 13, 2018, 09:41:01 AM
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You should find out the right project before investing. If you can do that then of course you'll get paid not fall in danger. There have some good projects in the market as far as I know. You can try with SciDex. Looks promising and reliable.
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You should find out the right project before investing. If you can do that then of course you'll get paid not fall in danger. There have some good projects in the market as far as I know. You can try with SciDex. Looks promising and reliable.

First you should check the right thread to make the posts mate. I see you have bumped the dead thread unwantely none of the DT and moderators want these kind of the things to happen. I see another thread of Tyrantt also bumped here.
If you want to get the more money please review the project details, team information and Wp. If you find all good.
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What happened I realized, but how happened I did not fully understand. Who are you looking for??? ... If all that you wrote is true, take a lesson and go on with life. Good luck!
I really hope he could actually come back to tell us how his case finally ended up. Well, that if he is not in a prison yet for doing such a dumb and absurd thing because I totally see that as huge level of carelessness.

No matter what, he should not have done that without an official written statement directly from the supervisor since that has never been the main protocol right from time. This is obviously going to be long gone as he would not have any case on the supervisor if the supervisor's intention is actually to scam as he can easily deny that even happened.
Scammers are everywhere so we need to be careful with our money always even there are lot of frauds happening with the fiat money transaction in the loan field of my country but the victims are innocent normal workers.That is why escrows are important in the crypto transaction while doing big trades.
Everywhere there are a lot of scammers who are in search of those foolish people who don’t save their bitcoin as safe as it should be, we need to be careful most of time we lose money on opening all kind of sites most of them makes fakes sites to make innocent people fool and fraud with them so instead of blaming other for scamming us and crying over spit milk better to be careful at the beginning.
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.

I'm having some trouble understanding your story.

Someone who owns you money sends you 4.5k through a "friend"(?) to you, in fiat(?) your supervisor tells you to convert the fiat(?) to bitcoin, which you did using the bitcoin shop(?)?

Where do you have the bitcoins now? Can't you use an exchange such as bitstamp to convert the bitcoin back to EUR and send the euros back to the bank account of the "friend"(?) that send the money to  you in the first place?


So I am not the only one who doesn't understand this story. I am puzzled that everybody is seemingly understanding what has happened.
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July 14, 2018, 04:46:55 AM
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This is really a bad one. I believed from your story that you had no prior knowledge about how bitcoin and cryptocurrency function as a whole. It is quite different from that of local bank. Any bitcoin transferred to someone can't be returened back unless you and the person had any form of agreement. By that i mean a form of trade between you guys. Even before paying the person use an escrow service to be sure you won't hear any stories. The bitcoin you sent have gone unless you can track the person down and make an arrest with a proof showing that he really received the money if not am sorry.
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What happened I realized, but how happened I did not fully understand. Who are you looking for??? ... If all that you wrote is true, take a lesson and go on with life. Good luck!
I really hope he could actually come back to tell us how his case finally ended up. Well, that if he is not in a prison yet for doing such a dumb and absurd thing because I totally see that as huge level of carelessness.

No matter what, he should not have done that without an official written statement directly from the supervisor since that has never been the main protocol right from time. This is obviously going to be long gone as he would not have any case on the supervisor if the supervisor's intention is actually to scam as he can easily deny that even happened.
Scammers are everywhere so we need to be careful with our money always even there are lot of frauds happening with the fiat money transaction in the loan field of my country but the victims are innocent normal workers.That is why escrows are important in the crypto transaction while doing big trades.
Everywhere there are a lot of scammers who are in search of those foolish people who don’t save their bitcoin as safe as it should be, we need to be careful most of time we lose money on opening all kind of sites most of them makes fakes sites to make innocent people fool and fraud with them so instead of blaming other for scamming us and crying over spit milk better to be careful at the beginning.
Phishers and hackers are watching the cryptocurrency market as a bait to attack because no organization is in charge of managing assets, depending on the skill of the investor. So have a plan to protect your property from cyber-attacks, always proactively protecting your property because no one can help you get back if stolen.
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don't you have enough evidence to report this to the police? such as a warrant for sending bitcoins, as well as evidence of transactions that you can trace in a hash?

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don't you have enough evidence to report this to the police? such as a warrant for sending bitcoins, as well as evidence of transactions that you can trace in a hash?
I think police cannot do anything. I am telling this because in my country bitcoin is not legal and I cannot report it to police. May be the same situation with you. I think controllers should take serious actions about these frauds and scammers otherwise people will not put their money in cryptocurrency and everyone will think this is just a waste of time and money.
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talk to your supervisor ASAP. there's nothing you can do by yourself.
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What happened I realized, but how happened I did not fully understand. Who are you looking for??? ... If all that you wrote is true, take a lesson and go on with life. Good luck!
I really hope he could actually come back to tell us how his case finally ended up. Well, that if he is not in a prison yet for doing such a dumb and absurd thing because I totally see that as huge level of carelessness.

No matter what, he should not have done that without an official written statement directly from the supervisor since that has never been the main protocol right from time. This is obviously going to be long gone as he would not have any case on the supervisor if the supervisor's intention is actually to scam as he can easily deny that even happened.
Scammers are everywhere so we need to be careful with our money always even there are lot of frauds happening with the fiat money transaction in the loan field of my country but the victims are innocent normal workers.That is why escrows are important in the crypto transaction while doing big trades.
Everywhere there are a lot of scammers who are in search of those foolish people who don’t save their bitcoin as safe as it should be, we need to be careful most of time we lose money on opening all kind of sites most of them makes fakes sites to make innocent people fool and fraud with them so instead of blaming other for scamming us and crying over spit milk better to be careful at the beginning.
Phishers and hackers are watching the cryptocurrency market as a bait to attack because no organization is in charge of managing assets, depending on the skill of the investor. So have a plan to protect your property from cyber-attacks, always proactively protecting your property because no one can help you get back if stolen.
Frauds, scams and hacking are big problems for crypto investors because it is internet base coins and some people try to make huge money from illegal means. They betray innocent people and take all their money in seconds. This is not good for crypto investors because they will afraid of the scams and frauds and will never invest their money here. The crypto market wills not improver due to these fears.
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always be careful in dealing anything. whenever something is done or transaction is finalized afterwards pay the money. don't take or give money before transactions to avoid problems later Smiley

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July 23, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
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don't you have enough evidence to report this to the police? such as a warrant for sending bitcoins, as well as evidence of transactions that you can trace in a hash?
If you are living in such country where bitcoin is not a legal currency then police do not have do anything. They will even not register your case, because they are not entertaining such cases, I do not that there is any proper way to recover your lost.
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July 24, 2018, 10:21:12 AM
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This is common and normally happen in cryptocurrency business. You have to understand the ICO of the project before investing in it
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Navryatli it will be possible to do,just do output.I, too, fell on the scammers, it's a shame that now people have no conscience at all, ready to cash in on all for profit.Especially with cryptocurrency mehanikov very much,it is still no regulation in this area .
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July 25, 2018, 08:44:46 AM
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don't you have enough evidence to report this to the police? such as a warrant for sending bitcoins, as well as evidence of transactions that you can trace in a hash?
If you are living in such country where bitcoin is not a legal currency then police do not have do anything. They will even not register your case, because they are not entertaining such cases, I do not that there is any proper way to recover your lost.

They will look on it if they will got a sufficient evidence that your case is true and theirs an interpol or whatever police authority what your country had. But if you didn't have a strong evidence then maybe it's so better for the OP to rest and just forget what he loss at that time since there's no way you can sue them up in that case.

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I have lost money. But my case is not the same as yours. I'm a hacker victim. 2 months ago I was hacked to lose my myetherwallet including 4 ETH
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This sort of social engineering and con has been around for a long time and it is unfortunate that you have been put into this trap. It's a really bad situation.
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file a case to your supervisor who told you to transfer the funds..
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Here in crypto world you cannot return or retrack your transaction because here in crypto all the transaction being made is anonymous that is why you cannot track the transaction that you have done. If you have done wrong you cannot blame some one because there is no information attached to the transaction that has been made. It will be hard to detect and there is no third part involve in the transaction that is why you have to be careful in transacting your coins. Only trust people that you know do not trust someone to your wallet.
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Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.
Okay, it’s such a pity that you’re going through such a situation, and I’m sorry for you, but one thing is that I don’t think anyone here is ready to help you with such even if there is cause it’s likely to be that you’re a scammer that’s looking for a way to hack someone’s wallet and steal the money in it (I don’t really mean you’re a scammer).

You might be telling the truth, but be careful if anyone here agrees to do that for you cause they can also be trying to hack the wallet and steal the money, so it’s risky too. I will advise you to find someone where you’re living that will be able to do the job.
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The blockchain is a public ledger, you can see its address, but you can't capture it. If you have only one address, then you can't recover the loss!

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OMG.Are you have only wallet address  Shocked ?if you want money back you need the private key of the wallet.Otherwise can't retrieve money  Cry
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OMG.Are you have only wallet address  Shocked ?if you want money back you need the private key of the wallet.Otherwise can't retrieve money  Cry
Yes that is important that you must have a private key, which can ensure your wallet security. I think that if you do not have such private key and you also lost your wallet password then I cannot see any way to recover your currency that you are holding in your wallet.
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Somethings wrong in this situation, well it is really wrong but what i mean is...
your supervisor approved the transaction request, your client make that request and easily approved.
now your head is not answering your call, what i think is you are between 2 big stones.
they know each other i think.
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