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May 15, 2018, 05:13:25 PM
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This lawsuit was a wildgoose chase, destined to fail. I cant believe there were people dumb enough thinking anything good will come out of it. Roger wins again. The sooner people realize how decentralisation works the better
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May 16, 2018, 05:30:31 AM
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franky1 where are you? I believe we should stop the drama and start talking about Bitcoin Cash's vision and technical roadmap. The hard fork to 32mb maximum block size is too much in my opinion, but maybe increasing the data carrier size to 220 bytes might encourage a Counter Party Cash smart contract platform to be built on top.

I also like the return of the disabled OPcodes.

I hope your community throws Roger Ver out. If the project is great then that will speak for itself. You do not need Roger Ver.

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May 16, 2018, 05:59:22 AM
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 Characters like Roger Ver deserve the worst punishment there possibly can be, Cheating innocent souls into making wrong decisions by a figure like Ron is a very unfortunate and a disgrace, just shows how greedy people can get in this business, the newbies oo need t be enlightened, there are all kinds of information available online about this coins, it will be in order if you took your time as a newbie to look into these coins an make informed investment choices,

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May 16, 2018, 06:04:50 AM
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 This is a desparet move that is not expected from a respectable figure like Ron, deceiving new investors is not something that should betaken lightly, why does he do that if he is certain of the qyality of the coin he is representing, a serious action should be taken on such people
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May 16, 2018, 09:57:27 AM
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What he does from the consumer's point of view is deception and you can not keep it, no matter how you put it in court. No one has bitcoin or bitcoin in cash, of course, but it misleads people to buy your 'product' (technically, Roger Ver is the face of bitcoin money and he advertises that hell) while they want to buy another product is a fraud. I hope they are really enthusiastic to let go of this thing to make Ver behind the bars.
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May 16, 2018, 11:07:50 AM
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I would agree with you that the thing that roger ver has in mind is the idea of turning the bitcoin into the bitcoin cash and, to tell the truth, this is something very significant for those who have just entered the market.
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May 16, 2018, 11:38:31 AM
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All I know and I think about is that this ver roger is a man who is hungry for a power, which wants to rival, and also plans to destroy the popularity of Bitcoin, but unfortunately because of his excessive and negative behavior, finally made his name and reputation to be falling apart at this time.
And it is appropriate for a person like this ver roger to receive punishment for the wrong he has done today.
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May 17, 2018, 05:30:42 AM
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Here are some proofs that Bitcoin Cash does not need Roger Ver and that he is hurting the cryptocurrency and its community more than helping it.

It is time for Roger Ver to stop his manipulation through propaganda and start concentrating on marketing the technical characteristics of Bitcoin Cash and why he believes its roadmap is better.








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May 17, 2018, 09:49:43 AM
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Almost 20 days of you guys hating on Roger Ver.

What have you accomplished?

Lawsuit failed.

Now Pleading with Franky & Bitcoin Cash supporters trying to convince them to also talk smack about Roger Ver. (Guaranteed fail)

Roger Ver just keeps ignoring you and promoting his coin.

Maybe you should learn from that, start ignoring him and promote your coin and its features instead.  Smiley

Your call , but useless hate is a pure time waster.

 

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May 17, 2018, 10:28:47 AM
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good to know that
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May 17, 2018, 01:12:15 PM
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What have you accomplished?

We've made it clear to any new and impressionable users that BTC and BCH are separate things and users always need to make sure they know what they're getting.  Which is more than bitcoin.com achieved until loads of people started complaining and forced them to completely redesign their website to make that clearer.

For the record, I'm not "hating on" Ver.  I think he's welcome to pursue his vision, provided he's not misleading inexperienced users along the way and leaving them out of pocket because they didn't get what they thought they were getting.  The various Bitcoin Cash dev teams are free to develop however they like.  

However, no one here is sitting idly by while someone who claims they aren't holding funds on the BTC chain tries to rename it to "Bitcoin Core" without consent from the users.  Not happening.

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May 17, 2018, 01:16:26 PM
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Roger Ver deliberately changed the position of bitcoin to bitcoin cash and it was terrible because it could make new players misunderstand about the difference between bitcoin and bitcoin cash
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May 18, 2018, 05:41:46 AM
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Almost 20 days of you guys hating on Roger Ver.

I do not hate him. But his fraudulent tendencies should be stopped.

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What have you accomplished?

I believe it showed everyone that he should not be trusted by the community, especially newbies.

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Lawsuit failed.

That does not mean he is not trying to manipulate everyone.

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Now Pleading with Franky & Bitcoin Cash supporters trying to convince them to also talk smack about Roger Ver. (Guaranteed fail)

I did not plead. I told franky1, and I am telling you now. Bitcoin Cash does not need Roger Ver. He is hurting the coin more than he is helping it.

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Roger Ver just keeps ignoring you and promoting his coin.

No, he is not promoting. He is lying to everyone by saying that "Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin". The truth is Bitcoin Cash is a fork of Bitcoin.

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Maybe you should learn from that, start ignoring him and promote your coin and its features instead.  Smiley

Your call , but useless hate is a pure time waster.

Attacks on Roger Ver will not stop until he himself stops attacking Bitcoin.

  

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May 18, 2018, 05:49:53 AM
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That's kinda awful tragedy. That roger ver kinda being consumed by greed and commit some fraud to newcomer that hardly know anything about crpytocurrencies. People like Roger Ver need to be putted in jail for a long time. So, he could reflect on what he already did to the newbies.
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May 20, 2018, 06:56:19 AM
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theymos does the same thing about bitcoin core.

check out the days of bitcoin Xt, bitcoin classic, bitcoin unlimited. these were software that did not want to be altcoins but wanted to be on the old mainnet and continue on the old mainnet. but just not want to sheep follow core.. and theymos REKT, censored and abused them, by saying that they were not bitcoin and only core was bitcoin.

theymos and ver are 2 sides of the same coin (excuse the pun)
so while attacking ver, atleast drop the hypocrisy and attack theymos aswell.. if not then simply accept bitcoin core is bitcoin core and bitcoin cash is bitcoin cash and neither get to own just "bitcoin" brand

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franky1 where are you? I believe we should stop the drama and start talking about Bitcoin Cash's vision and technical roadmap. The hard fork to 32mb maximum block size is too much in my opinion, but maybe increasing the data carrier size to 220 bytes might encourage a Counter Party Cash smart contract platform to be built on top.

I also like the return of the disabled OPcodes.

I hope your community throws Roger Ver out. If the project is great then that will speak for itself. You do not need Roger Ver.

the internet can handle 32mb
users nodes can handle 32mb (its not raspberry pi v1 days of 2009. nor is it basic ADSL of 2009 either) people are living in the fibre/5g era of duelcore multigigbyte ram with terrabyte hard drives

(just for laughs: 1995: floppy disk "no do not release digital camera's there is no way a piece of portable plastic can hold a 2mb image" we should remain with kodak film and get people to not print their own photo's but lock their photo's into a walmart photo printing service hub, where they decide which photos should be printed )

anyway
32mb every ~10mins is 200mb an hour.

netflix/livestream/youtube use more than that.
yep millions of people livestream(liveupload) their gameplay while also using bandwidth for the game play. so if your against 32mb.. go complain to
google that google+ videocalls wont work
vimeo that livestream wont work
apple that facetime wont work
amazon that twitch.tv wont work
microsoft that skype wont work
google that youtube uploads wont work

... oh wait they do work...... shocker

oh.. to add to that although a block may have a 32mb limit. that does not mean pools ar forced to make 32mb blocks.
take the old bitcoin legacy mainnet of 2009-2013
1mb block consensus rule - under0.25mb mining policy
then upto 2013: 1mb block consensus rule - 0.5mb mining policy
then upto 2015: 1mb block consensus rule - 0.75mb mining policy

meaning a consensus HARD 1mb limit was in place with also a stepped increment soft policy limit growing at 0.25mb evry couple years.

if you ar going to rebut about the validation time and that laughable rebuttable of linear quatratics..
a smart contract(ln channel for instance) is usually a 2in 2 out tx.. it does not need a tx to have the ability of 20,000 sigops
so the solution is to limit the signops per tx so that no one can even make a delay causing validation event by abusing max sigops


anyway
my community?
damn dude you really are stuck in the band camp wars.
i am not pidgeon holed in any band camp. nver have been. again just because i detest core does not mean i must belong to some other team.. take a few steps back and move away from the core cabin. and you will see a wider world. gt out of the echo chamber you are stuck in, its not healthy for you

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as for utilising new OPcodes.. great. more functionality.. but only if that functionality does not open trojan horse back doors for abuse.
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one opcode proposal is to have a TX just sign an input thus allow
(il explain the utopia false pretense first)
the ability to alter how much a tx fee is needed without needing to re-sign a tx
(now for the reality)
alter the values of output without needing to re-sign. and thus if there were 2 outputs
in
bc1qLNfactory 0.2btc
out
bc1qFranky 0.1btc
bc1qwindfu 0.0995btc
(fee:0.0005)

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in
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out
bc1qFranky 0.199btc
bc1qwindfu 0.0005btc
(fee:0.0005)
https://bitcoin.org/en/glossary/sighash-none
many users of smart contracts do not have technical scope to check if a tx is a sighash-none before signing. yep do not expect LN users to request a clartext rawtx version of the contract before signing. which means the system can be abused by counterparts that create such so that they can then alter the output and broadcast a tx where they get most value back to them.

this is why i detest LN because there is loop holes of moving value around after signing and without a blockchain auditing it while in channel. most users are stuck with autopilot and trusting theeir counterparty. even when the counterparty can compile their own LN node to produce such nasty tx types

my hate of the LN is also that it does not scale to a reliable system of random payments to random people for a billion people.
also the features of locking in funds, requiring co-signing and then having delayed maturity and revokes. and other bugs, trojans and backdoors just turns it into somthing worse than fiat2.0

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May 20, 2018, 07:54:27 AM
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It's an inappropriate act for him to refer to Bitcoin CAsh as the new bitcoin and misleading thousands of newbies who might later lose their coins due to mistakes of sending to wrong addresses when confusion sets in.
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May 21, 2018, 06:29:53 AM
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theymos does the same thing about bitcoin core.

check out the days of bitcoin Xt, bitcoin classic, bitcoin unlimited. these were software that did not want to be altcoins but wanted to be on the old mainnet and continue on the old mainnet. but just not want to sheep follow core.. and theymos REKT, censored and abused them, by saying that they were not bitcoin and only core was bitcoin.

But were those implementations of Bitcoin good enough? I also believe a block size increase for political reasons is wrong. The risk is too great.

Plus they looked like they were also attempts to fork the network away from the Core developers.

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theymos and ver are 2 sides of the same coin (excuse the pun)
so while attacking ver, atleast drop the hypocrisy and attack theymos aswell.. if not then simply accept bitcoin core is bitcoin core and bitcoin cash is bitcoin cash and neither get to own just "bitcoin" brand

Is that your defense for Roger Ver? Because you believe Theymos is wrong then you think Roger Ver should also do wrong?

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May 22, 2018, 04:49:21 PM
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Almost 20 days of you guys hating on Roger Ver.

What have you accomplished?

Lawsuit failed.

Now Pleading with Franky & Bitcoin Cash supporters trying to convince them to also talk smack about Roger Ver. (Guaranteed fail)

Roger Ver just keeps ignoring you and promoting his coin.

Maybe you should learn from that, start ignoring him and promote your coin and its features instead.  Smiley

Your call , but useless hate is a pure time waster.

  

Why do you make assumptions all people associated with crypto hate Roger Ver? It is possible to say that people who dislike what he tried to do against Bitcoin IS NOT hating Ver.


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May 22, 2018, 04:54:27 PM
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Aside from misleading newbies. This guy can be charged for "domain squatting". Roger bought bitcoin.com ,including the bitcoin reddit and twitter @bitcoin to promote his own coin called Bitcoin Cash. He is a troll guy!

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