There's a double standard involved here, too. Could you imagine if bitcoin.org did promote both chains,
im not even talking about both chains at this point.. im highlighting the hypocrisy of "core" how those that point fingers to pretend bitcoin is decentralised and no team own it by saying somone needs to be sued.. yet when the debate is flipped.. they then defend how they want bitcoin to b centralised and owned by one team. and that include (the mega hypocritical and even worse part) letting one person say its just one team "core" that are the project
And I'm highlighting the hypocrisy that Ver thinks it's okay to rename Bitcoin when he doesn't like other people renaming Bitcoin Cash. Selective quoting much? You left that point out entirely and decided to make an entirely unrelated point.
The full quote was as follows:
There's a double standard involved here, too. Could you imagine if bitcoin.org did promote both chains, but insisted on calling the BCH chain "bcash" on their site? Just visualise the total meltdown Roger Ver would have then. That would be poor form on the part of bitcoin.org, because that chain isn't called "bcash" and BCH users generally don't want it to be called that. The same applies in reverse, so bitcoin.com shouldn't be calling the BTC chain "bitcoin core" against the wishes of BTC users because that's equally poor form.
There's nothing stopping you from calling it Bitcoin Core if that's how you want to distinguish it from Bitcoin Cash, but you're going to need to accept the fact that all the BTC users who have literally zero interest in buying or spending BCH don't need to make that distinction. It's inevitable they're going to keep calling the two chains "Bitcoin" and "Bitcoin Cash". And that's literally your best case scenario here, because if you piss the BTC users off by trying to change their chain's name without their consent, they're all going to start calling Bitcoin Cash "bcash" instead. I haven't so far, but if you keep forcing this utter futility of yours, I just might start.
You call it what you want, we're calling it Bitcoin. End of.
Don't skirt the real issue here.
You don't get to tell other people what to call their chain. I literally could not care less about how centralised you think Bitcoin is, or how much you think that one developer is in total control, or that you don't like the way in which bitcoin.org promote the BTC chain. None of that means you get to tell anyone what their chain is called. That's not how it works.
I don't own "Bitcoin Core" because that's a dev team. If you try telling other people that I do own "Bitcoin Core", I'm going to tell you you're wrong. Because you are. I own some BTC and some BCH. I can tell them apart because they each have their own unique names. I can explain the difference to other people without changing those names. I don't own a dev team, so stop telling me I do.
And back to the point you raised while selectively quoting, people only started talking about suing Ver when he started making people lose money by failing to make it clear what they were buying. Now that they've changed the website, I'd only support suing him for those who have already lost money because of his actions. There's no need to sue for future unless more people are ripped off because they were misled. The situation should be resolved going forward, though. Again, there's no need to keep arguing about this (aside from your moronic insistence that we need to rename Bitcoin because Ver mislead people through his own incompetence. Keep arguing about that all you want, but you won't get anywhere), because they've now taken steps to remedy it. Problem solved. They've changed the website. It's better now. Drop it already, we aren't renaming shit. You call it whatever you want.
so to reword your question to clarify my point..
could you imagine if bitcoin.org DID promote core, btcd, knots, unlimited, xt, classic (all clients of the SAME chain) EQUALLY?
OMG mind blowing thought.
could you imagine if people stopped defending core and stopped attacking any node that is running on the same network as core..
OMG mind blowing thought again
just imagine it. no more directing people to think that core is the master, king, controller.
Yeah, because that would definitely clear things up to people who haven't got the slightest clue how crypto works yet.
"
Welcome to Bitcoin, here are over a dozen coins that are completely incompatible with each other, but we'll leave to your completely inexperienced guesswork to figure out which one you need".
I don't see anything going wrong there. Nope. Not a thing.
If
certain websites have enough trouble making the distinction between just
two coins, I don't think it's wise to risk the multitude of others.
On a more serious note, perhaps people
should be taught that Core aren't a centralised authority that controls Bitcoin. Maybe that message is getting lost along the way somewhere. I don't have any arguments with that point. You are correct that many people here on the forum seem to be under the mistaken impression that only one dev team are permitted to decide what the rules should be. People who think that are wrong. No ifs or buts about it. Core submit code and if the users like it they run that code. Other developers submit code, if users prefer that code, they'll run that instead. That's the beauty of it. However, no one is under any obligation to promote code they might not agree with. Not least due to the fact it would make the learning curve much more steep for newcomers.
to me its jsut far easier to avoid any debate, argument, misinterpretation and issues by saying when someone asks for bitcoin. you reply cash or core
much like when someone asks for dollar you ask US or canadian
Do you walk into your local British shops and ask "
Is that the Egyptian, Lebanese, Syrian or British Pound?"
Of course you fucking don't. You'd only ask about those pounds if you specifically wanted to use those particular currencies. If we're not transacting in BCH, we don't need to make any distinction. So give up with the bullshit already. You call it what you want. We'll call it what we want. And I assure you we won't be calling it anything other than Bitcoin or BTC.
in america talking to americans, yea just call the dollar the dollar.
in england talking other brits, yea just call the pound the pound
but ovr the internet.. (sorry to open your mind to this) where the walls expand beyond the room your computer sits. where anyone can be anywhere in the world. when someone mentions dollar sometimes its prudant and easy to ask if they mean US dollar or australian dollar. especially if that person is asking for some
EG imagine i was australian and you were american. i say i will give you $20,000, but have you got a $ acepting bank account
soon enough we find out that i cant give you australian dollar because you have an american bank account.. so you lose
Yes. And it was Ver who make a complete cock-up of that and made people think BCH
was BTC.
He failed to make the distinction correctly, despite the fact that
he's the one who needs to make it clear because
he wants to discuss both chains.
He made people lose out because
he made them think they were getting something they weren't.
His mistake, not
ours. But now, you're making the argument that, because of
his mistake,
we are somehow under some sort of obligation to rename our entire chain to "Bitcoin Core"
even when we aren't talking about BCH? Get a damn clue already.
I'm done with trying to be polite about this. Fuck off. And I mean right off. That's not how it works. You don't get to muddy the waters by confusing newbies and then tell us it's our job to fix it. That's completely asinine. It's not our job to stop other people on the internet doing stupid shit. There are ways to make a distinction without trying to rename a chain that doesn't belong to you.
We have a distinction already,
Bitcoin and
Bitcoin Cash, or
BTC and
BCH. If I need to make it clear to someone what chain I'm talking about, those are the names I'll be using.
Again, I don't own "Bitcoin Core" because that's a dev team. If you try telling other people that I do own "Bitcoin Core", I'm going to tell you you're wrong. Because you are. I own some BTC and some BCH. I can tell them apart because they each have their own unique names. I can explain the difference to other people without changing those names. I don't own a dev team, so stop telling me I do.
Now, is there any more completely unrelated drivel about decentralisation and defence caps you'd like to throw in to try and deflect from the fact that your efforts are completely futile? If you have to keep pissing into the wind, don't spray other people in the process. That's what your actions here amount to and people don't appreciate it. You're only encouraging more people to take shots at Ver for causing this whole mess. Let it go already.
