Roger Ver to be sued for defrauding bitcoin newbies.

[JollyGood]

so many bitcoin enthusiasts say that Roger Ver is one of the main characters who will damage the crypto world because his greed and such misleading actions, I hope they will have success with this lawsuit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3419499.msg38627146#msg38627146

The lawsuit will not go ahead because of lack of funding

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[JollyGood]

Yes.  And it was Ver who make a complete cock-up of that and made people think BCH was BTC.  He failed to make the distinction correctly, despite the fact that he's the one who needs to make it clear because he wants to discuss both chains.  He made people lose out because he made them think they were getting something they weren't.  His mistake, not ours.  But now, you're making the argument that, because of his mistake, we are somehow under some sort of obligation to rename our entire chain to "Bitcoin Core" even when we aren't talking about BCH?  Get a damn clue already.

I'm done with trying to be polite about this.  Fuck off.  And I mean right off.  That's not how it works.  You don't get to muddy the waters by confusing newbies and then tell us it's our job to fix it.  That's completely asinine.  It's not our job to stop other people on the internet doing stupid shit.  There are ways to make a distinction without trying to rename a chain that doesn't belong to you.  We have a distinction already, Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, or BTC and BCH.  If I need to make it clear to someone what chain I'm talking about, those are the names I'll be using.

Again, I don't own "Bitcoin Core" because that's a dev team.  If you try telling other people that I do own "Bitcoin Core", I'm going to tell you you're wrong.  Because you are.  I own some BTC and some BCH.  I can tell them apart because they each have their own unique names.  I can explain the difference to other people without changing those names.  I don't own a dev team, so stop telling me I do.

Now, is there any more completely unrelated drivel about decentralisation and defence caps you'd like to throw in to try and deflect from the fact that your efforts are completely futile?  If you have to keep pissing into the wind, don't spray other people in the process.  That's what your actions here amount to and people don't appreciate it.  You're only encouraging more people to take shots at Ver for causing this whole mess.  Let it go already.

Well then... that settles that 

That very strong-worded statement from DooMAD highlighted clear distinctions between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. He rightly pointed out to everyone that the onus is upon Ver to provide information to people visiting his website that his Bitcoin Cash is basically Bitcoin Cash. Simple.

[Conasse]

There was a documentary on TV in my country about Bitcoin and the millionaire people and Ver R. was speaking for a few minutes. It was enough now we call this guy a "guignol"

[JollyGood]

There was a documentary on TV in my country about Bitcoin and the millionaire people and Ver R. was speaking for a few minutes. It was enough now we call this guy a "guignol"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guignol: Guignol is the main character in a French puppet show which has come to bear his name 

[Wind_FURY]

I am not afraid. I am avoiding to argue over your useless, fake, lies, big blocker propaganda and your tinfoil hat conspiracies.

Bitcoin is in good hands. The big blockers should be happy with their fork Bitcoin Cash.

here you go again with the "big-blocker" buzzword,
it is like a certain time of the day where you sit back and down a gallon of the core reddit script koolaid?

Is big blocker a buzzword? Not it's not and it is not a Reddit script. It was something that came out from the Bitcoin community like a meme.

We should start teaching that to the newbies in the forum to maintain Bitcoin culture.

firstly the COMMUNITY majority said 2mb
core said no..
core then propagandised the "gigabyte block" as "big blockers"

core then said 2mb was bad, for technical reasons.. but kept up the gigabyte block propaganda

That again were trolled on Bitcoin Unlimited which the big blockers took very seriously. Everyone knows there will not be "gigabye blocks" because there will not be that many users in the big blockers' network.

.. and then. the laughing part
core backtracked the technical problems for 2mb and then said 4mb weight is fine.. all because they realised THEY needed 4mb for thieir segwit transaction types.. but still didnt want to give the community the 2mb for the legacy transaction types. even though technical details showed 2mb was not a problem anyway.

The laughing part? There is no laughing part. The Core developers wanted a block size increase WITHOUT a hard fork which the big blockers were demanding. The Core developers wanted a soft fork and backwards compatibility with the legacy nodes to avoid the risks that came with a hard fork.

They did a VERY good job in Segwit.

they decided to split the network to get rid of core opposers, so that core could go in one direction away from the rules of 2009-2016. and the rest go in another direction.. yep core diverted directions too.. thats why even core said its a bilateral split and not a unilateral split.

This is Roger Ver's propaganda. Believe it for as long as you like.

P.S
try not to wear the core defense cap. because by saying the protocol is safe in thier hands is you giving up your own hands(dcentralisation) and handing bitcoin to core.
and try not to get too addicted to the reddit script koolaid. it becomes too obvious when you start using certain buzzwords but lack the full picture of understanding.

I will never believe in anything what Roger Ver says because he is wrong. The Bitcoin Cash community would be better without him and his friend Craig Wright which Roger Ver recognizes as the real Satoshi.

Is Roger Ver good for the Bitcoin Cash community?

[JollyGood]

Is Roger Ver good for the Bitcoin Cash community?

The irony is that those who have bought in the whole Bitcoin Cash thing might even ask or force him to stand aside while they take BCH down a suitable path. Ver might have been behind Bitcoin Cash but he most probably is too volatile an individual to be trusted is Ver good for the Bitcoin Cash community? Probably "No"

[Bibi shop]

We should not fight with each over. But now you've gone off on your own ridiculous tangent saying that everyone has to stop calling Bitcoin "Bitcoin" just because some people forked away.  Literally never going to happen.  Give it up. 

[franklin hoses]

it seems roger ver is trying very hard to try to substitute bitcoin cash into bitcoin so try to buy some assets and a website called bitcoin and used to inform bitcoin cash. it's sad if new users make a mistake when buying.

[franky1]

in a more serious note, perhaps people should be taught that Core aren't a centralised authority that controls Bitcoin.  

but they are not. core are centralised
let me guess. next you are going to say apple is decentralised because employees and interns have their own homes and own commputers..

Core submit code and if the users like it they run that code.  Other developers submit code, if users prefer that code, they'll run that instead.  That's the beauty of it.  However, no one is under any obligation to promote code they might not agree with.

core submit code. and BYPASS consensus. and put in a MANDATORY upgrade date of august 1st
others submit code, use consensus.. and core REKT, "fork off" scream, and bilateral split them away

show me any network upgrades that have occured on the blockchain since 2013 that have occurd not due to CORES process
show me just one

seems you have spent a bit of time over at reddit cand started catching the core defense bug..

seems out of the box thinking of bitcoin without you dfending core has now officially been lost. you have now ran down the core rabbit hole.

goodluck. but remember core are not immortal. so try not to wast too much time kissing their ass hailing them as kings. one day they will just stop coding and/or retire. but until then other nodes will continue to be REKT, screamed at with "fork off" or get bilaterally split away.. unless they act like sheep to cores roadmap

[franky1]

.. and then. the laughing part
core backtracked the technical problems for 2mb and then said 4mb weight is fine.. all because they realised THEY needed 4mb for thieir segwit transaction types.. but still didnt want to give the community the 2mb for the legacy transaction types. even though technical details showed 2mb was not a problem anyway.

The laughing part? There is no laughing part. The Core developers wanted a block size increase WITHOUT a hard fork which the big blockers were demanding. The Core developers wanted a soft fork and backwards compatibility with the legacy nodes to avoid the risks that came with a hard fork.

august 1st was a hard fork. wake up to reality. they even had to make a mandatory date and reject blocks.. you know this. so stop denying it. its actually got code and even block proof it occured. so you cant deny it or prove it did not occur.

seems you too have run down the core rabbit hole

[franky1]

any way.. while the core defenders keep up the distraction drama of core vs cash.. pointing fingers while barry silbert grabs the branding.

what people are not looking at is that while being told cash is the threat. which its not. other currencies are making a move for the top spot..
but hey. let the core devs and their fans point fingers away from the real big picture.

may all core fans enjoy your little cabin fever of an echo chamber

analogy of a core dev/fanboy
"everyone look at this annoying pimple on my right arm.. but dont look at the skin cancer on the left arm. and definetly dont notice the entire body"

[JollyGood]

We should not fight with each over. But now you've gone off on your own ridiculous tangent saying that everyone has to stop calling Bitcoin "Bitcoin" just because some people forked away.  Literally never going to happen.  Give it up. 

What you say is true but it is so difficult for newbies to understand the misinformation when they visit the "bitcoin.com" website because that is promoting Bitcoin Cash and bewbies are buying Bitcoin Cash and downloading Bitcoin Cash but think they are downloading and buying "Bitcoin"

[Dvmd lionel25]

It seems to me that no one will prove anything. those people who are going to invest in bitcoin or even crypto currencies should carefully study everything and understand everything even a little, and not listen to some pseudo-experts.

[joebrook]

It seems to me that no one will prove anything. those people who are going to invest in bitcoin or even crypto currencies should carefully study everything and understand everything even a little, and not listen to some pseudo-experts.

I follow that guy on Twitter and he is just expressing his opinions on what is truly following what Nakamoto built,He can’t be sued for sharing his opinions to others.

[wdelius]

Even though I am not fan at all of BCH, I don't personnally think what Roger's doing is fraud.

[Lynh kolh]

it seems roger ver is trying very hard to try to substitute bitcoin cash into bitcoin so try to buy some assets and a website called bitcoin and used to inform bitcoin cash. it's sad if new users make a mistake when buying.

[cioloxl]

Unfortunately, this won't be going anywhere. These people need to be fought with their own techniques, not in courts. Otherwise we're no better than Faketoshi and his blockchain patents. Anyways, the point is that we need to play their game. We need to a collective effort to show everyone (truthfully) why bitcoin cash is a scam and why the people behind it are frauds. Suing people over stuff like this kinda goes against the spirit of crypto.

[franky1]

Unfortunately, this won't be going anywhere. These people need to be fought with their own techniques, not in courts. Otherwise we're no better than Faketoshi and his blockchain patents. Anyways, the point is that we need to play their game. We need to a collective effort to show everyone (truthfully) why bitcoin cash is a scam and why the people behind it are frauds. Suing people over stuff like this kinda goes against the spirit of crypto.

you do know this whole propaganda thing of core vs cash is all just finger pointing social drama. both bloq who made cash network and blockstream who made segwit which is now the core network are both funded by the same group right.

you must also know by now that everything ver is doing theymos has done
everything adam back is doing craig wright has done

its all one big masquerade

cash is the pimple on the left arm
core is the cancer on the right arm

and deep pocket investors want people looking at the hands while they take the whole body in the middle

[JollyGood]

There is no "Bitcoin Core" but there is "Bitcoin Cash"

There is "Bitcoin" and "Bitcoin Cash"

[luis jean]

I do not really know Roger Ver, if he is the one who cheated the bitcoin novices. It is an evil act, it is inappropriate for him to be here better to give him a lesson that is worthy for a con man like him.