[DATACOIN] Brainstorming - Giveaway!

[phrozenspite]

How about monetizing the chain by finding clients who want data stored? that way it would be tied to real value instead of having to do the exchange thing.
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[GreekBitcoin]

Not an unknown revolutionary idea but I don't know where to put this...

Could somebody clean https://datacointalk.org/ forum? Ban the bots, delete their posts? Set some captcha for first few posts for new users? I guess admins rarely look there...
Now even bots so retarded that they can't write "porno" right registered succefully!

lol. Indeed this needs to happen

[maxsolnc]

I read about what the new Earthcoin forum is doing and I believe Netcoin(NET) did the something similar. When you make a post, new topic etc you are credited a small amount of coins to your account. Since the DTC forum is need of more traffic we could try something similar? It seems to me it is a good incentive for new adopters/users.

-From EAC forum; "Here is a quick overview: posting, replying, uploading media, updating profiles, making friends, joining groups, writing Docs and Wikis, and sending invites all give rewards. Deleting posts and replies, and having posts marked as spam deduct from your earnings."

I have no idea what it would take to "code" this into the forum(IDK if I'm even using the right words). Giveaways take time and cost quite a lot. Giving user a small amount like this is a self-driven process after it has been "coded", except for the moderation of spam. No double checking user accounts on bitcointalk, no checking twitter for replies, no checking to see if the wallet-address is used over and over for more coins.

For example; 0.05DTC per action = 1DTC per 20 actions. As time goes by and more users registers, the reward can be lowered until there is enough activity on the forum and the reward is 0 0.05 might be too much, I am not experienced with how much traffic this could generate.

just a thought.

I should pass the idea to mstfck who is creator of Datacointalk

- easy portability for external use (usb-stick, external ssd)
- build in p2p exchange !!!!!! (I know there are some other developments)
- possibility to create physical datacoins
- good help function for usability
- build in download of the actual block chain

by the way:

- may it be possible to pack (zip, rar ...) the block chain?

1. Now it's really easy to do it with simple bat file and 'datadir' option. But maybe you're right, we need to include this bat file into basic installation.
2, 3. wait, wait, not all these things together in one time
4. TBA to future wallet release. I'm already aware of info leak in current help, so we'll include better documentation for it.
5. It's actual idea, we've also thought about that.

I think datacoin should not reward only the computation power of miner, but the fact of storing the blockchain too.
Hashpower is important to secure the network, but datacoin is about storage, so the one who store the blockchain should get a cut.

Right now, the guy who mine a block get the block reward + all the fee.

Instead of going to the miner, the fee should be spread between all the blockchains.
Mining recquire to store the blockchain too, but the fee shouldn't reward pure hashpower, but storaging.


I would go even further :
I think the reward per block (currently ~10DTC) should be spread too, not only the fees. Like a 50/50 split, 5dtc to the miner and 5 dtc to blockchains

To not bloat the blockchain with a lot of tiny transaction and to create a more fair distribution, i think all those block reward and fee should go to a single neutral adress. Then after like 1 days (1440 block), this adress would automaticly redistribute equally the reward to all blockchains with 100% uptime for that day (1440 block).


It would probably recquire a hardfork, but this would ensure people have interest in storing the entire blockchain. Because in the near future, blockchain could grow big very quickly and people would only mine on a pool, without storing the blockchain, because it's the same reward right now.


tl,dr : Storage of the blockchain need to be rewarded

I like the idea of rewarding storage of the blockchain.
As a miner, I'd be willing to store the blockchain on my mining machines. My machines all have hard drives since I'm a Windows miner, and most of my hard drive space is unused.

I could see a lot of other miners being in the same position as me, willing to store data. This would seem to exclude Linux miners though, as many, if not most of them run their machines on a USB flash drive. One potential solution to this would be to allow people to store a part of the blockchain, and compensate people by the GB.

Rewards should be more like a 95/5 (or maybe even 99/1) split though, as mining is much more important than data storage redundancy here I believe. There will always be copies of the block chain as long as there are wallets and pools running, but miners can, and will, go elsewhere. They must always be well compensated, or the security of the Datacoin network will be in danger.

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As it was discussed earlier, it will be easy to cheat in case of 'storage reward' : symlinks, VPSes, several processes, etc etc. Clever technical guys will find ways to get reward from 1 copy as for 100, 1000 or more copies. It is easy to implement 'just as feature', but it will be really vulnerable. And remember about 'personal chains' concept - it should help a lot, and remember: most people prefer to keep their money not in pool wallets or online storages, but on their local machines.

How about monetizing the chain by finding clients who want data stored? that way it would be tied to real value instead of having to do the exchange thing.
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Could you please explain this better?

and yes, datacointalk is cleaned up now
Coins sent to everyeone!

[4019]

and yes, datacointalk is cleaned up now

Yeah, that retard is gone. There is still some trash in newbie offtopic section (https://datacointalk.org/index.php?board=22.0), however. This guy made 24 topics just to say hi.

[51trillion]

Ensure that mining is well understood and easy to set up even for the most newbie in the crypto business and the coin will sky rocket




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[rikkie]

Starting a faucet might be good. That is always attractive for beginners.

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Thanks in advance

[GreekBitcoin]

Ensure that mining is well understood and easy to set up even for the most newbie in the crypto business and the coin will sky rocket




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how more easy than this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=384112.new#new


and also your address is for bitcoins not datacoins..

[devnullius]

Datacoin
 
Cryptocoins generally lack any inner value, today their main purpose is speculation. Easy to see especially with many altcoins experiencing pump and dump schemes. Lots of people buy them hoping for bitcoin-like exponential growth. Datacoin is one of very few different. From initial thread:

So far so good

Datacoin is intended to be reliable censorship-free data storage and a currency to pay for this storage. Money transfer isn't the first purpose of Datacoin.

Data storage is the inner purpose of DTC, giving Datacoin its inner value. BUT its inner value does not have to be equal to its price. While I appreciate giveaway and cryptsy “fight”, I think I see you are going every-other-coin-way here. I think you should not promote Datacoin in first place. You should focus all your efforts at Datacoin uses, services, etc. Build a user base around them. Make Datacoin not a target, but *just* a tool for people. That would reinforce its inertial value by making the coin itself simply useful. You should really make this coin a tool first and a coin second.

You must promote, it's a battlefield out there. Soon local supermarkets will mine their own coins, very localized to a country or even a region. Value mostly based on convenience. And I'm waiting for Pokemon Coin by Sony ;p

With Datacoin there indeed is an added value: secure data storage. I would not know yet what kind of application can use that, but where a possibility exists, applications will be found. I really think they will be micro-small amounts with micro-values (but influenced, in price, by speculation). I think banking, I think personal data like contacts, ... I dunno. Could be subscription based too, leaving datacoin, in value, very static - and stable. With low costs to operate and maintain.

And – sorry to say that – I think that going the “Dogecoin-way” ( ), with giveaways, twitter, cryptsy and buzz, while may seem desirable on a short time frame, on a long way run may destroy the uniqueness if DTC would became too successful this way. With tool-first approach DTC price would depend on its usefulness and usefulness of all DTC-related ecosystem. DTC price cannot be too high. Don't get me wrong, theres still space to grow here, but it would be quite bound to a data storage function, and here price cannot rise above sanity levels. Additionally, function-bound price could be quite stable. Just these orders of magnitude jumps that would make all this speculation crowd happy would render Datacoin unusable, practically depleting it of its inner value.

Can't argue here. With the last part. The first part...  Hmmm... Let me think. I think Datacoin indeed has the potential to create the next Tulip Crash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania). So I'd wait till it rises above a certain point - which one I do not know yet Then, I'd start pumping it into some automated trading systems (like http://goo.gl/bVM0ZV - scforum.info, mining like a sir), trying to push profits (and the coin) into higher (other) regions...

Unless we imagine a dystopian future, where people are willing to pay many thousands of  dollars for every byte of decentralized redundant censorship-free storage...

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[MajkiSer]

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Thanks

[olinnebit]

I read about what the new Earthcoin forum is doing and I believe Netcoin(NET) did the something similar. When you make a post, new topic etc you are credited a small amount of coins to your account. Since the DTC forum is need of more traffic we could try something similar? It seems to me it is a good incentive for new adopters/users.

-From EAC forum; "Here is a quick overview: posting, replying, uploading media, updating profiles, making friends, joining groups, writing Docs and Wikis, and sending invites all give rewards. Deleting posts and replies, and having posts marked as spam deduct from your earnings."

I have no idea what it would take to "code" this into the forum(IDK if I'm even using the right words). Giveaways take time and cost quite a lot. Giving user a small amount like this is a self-driven process after it has been "coded", except for the moderation of spam. No double checking user accounts on bitcointalk, no checking twitter for replies, no checking to see if the wallet-address is used over and over for more coins.

For example; 0.05DTC per action = 1DTC per 20 actions. As time goes by and more users registers, the reward can be lowered until there is enough activity on the forum and the reward is 0 0.05 might be too much, I am not experienced with how much traffic this could generate.

just a thought.

I should pass the idea to mstfck who is creator of Datacointalk

Awesome. And thanks for the DTC:)

[singula]

Considering the relatively high cost of storing data in the chain and the fact that there are several cloud service offering few gigabytes of free space (but they can close your account, someone can hack the account ... so may not be so secure, though "good enough" for most people), the storage needs to be specialized.

One idea could be sort of connecting/interacting with tor, providing sort of DNS for TOR hidden services (mapping from some nice names to hidden service names abcdefghijkl.onion), or even normal services (IPv4/IPv6's) for countries with less favorable censorship laws.

It would work by storing special packet with DNS record, signed by private wallet key (it may be implicitly signed by the coin sender, but this may not be always what is wanted, for example if transaction is paid from some web wallet service or someone else).
Updates to DNS would mean republishing a new DNS record to replace the old one. It has to be signed by the same private key.

Optionally, the DNS record could also list wallet addresses (thereby defining private keys that can sign it), that can also update the records (i.e. create replacement records) for that domain - if such records are present, then management of the domain can be delegated to other people. Possibly it could be possible to delegate only part of a subdomain, like only "mail" subdomain to someone else.

So for example, if my address is DJEM5aC9TpuNf1SShV5ESdExKu2nGQH7sP and I want to register domain "singula.data" pointing to some hidden service in TOR, the record could look like:

Code:

DOMAIN|name=singula.data|address=zbcdefghijklmnoq.onion|owner=DJEM5aC9TpuNf1SShV5ESdExKu2nGQH7sP|delegation:mail.singula.data=(address of friend managing the mail server)

... and the whole will be signed by my private key (private key for my address DJEM5aC9TpuNf1SShV5ESdExKu2nGQH7sP)

Simple records would likely would fit into 1 Kb with the signature, so the cost would be 0.1 DTC

When resolving, you must unfortunately go from first block, find first record, then move up to see if there are replacement records and if they are correctly signed. Though you have to do the same for ordinary transactions

Domain records are short, so it would not cost a fortune to put these records in the blockchain (though unlike traditional DNS, you have to pay for updates) and may be a nice alternative to traditional DNS.

[gamersimpson]

hmmm, Well i am not too good at ideas. And honestly i am still pretty new to this crypto coin shit..

but something i would like to see out of a coin like this. Would be to team up with a cloud site.

Trade DTC for time on a cloud site = mine DTC with their cpu. ( you could mine anything but just staying DTC). There are alot of cpu coins lately.

More and more people are wanting Cloud service. So if they can use DTC for cloud time. Would bring up the price. And would
make DTC wanted outside the average crypto groups.

Honestly remember, I don't know what you are looking for in ideas. Just my thought. I can't mine this with my laptop. And if i remember this coin is about data storage. And using cloud hold your cpu miners is kinda like that right?

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[Findus]

How about a website that gives away small amount of DTC for clicking on adds. The giveaway would be financed by the adds revenues, and that would distribute the stakes of datacoin on more people.

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Thanks!

[4019]

You must promote, it's a battlefield out there. Soon local supermarkets will mine their own coins, very localized to a country or even a region. Value mostly based on convenience. And I'm waiting for Pokemon Coin by Sony ;p

I didn't say that you should never ever promote anything. Just that (IMO) it's better long term if not the coin itself is promoted, but services aroud it (therby a coin too, but indirectly). Assuming that these services will be succesful, offcourse. And making that is really the hard part, and here (+exchange problem,+attracting devs, etc) comes rationale behind coin-focused promotion.

With Datacoin there indeed is an added value: secure data storage. I would not know yet what kind of application can use that, but where a possibility exists, applications will be found. I really think they will be micro-small amounts with micro-values (but influenced, in price, by speculation). I think banking, I think personal data like contacts, ... I dunno. Could be subscription based too, leaving datacoin, in value, very static - and stable. With low costs to operate and maintain.

Heh.. I saw something on twitter and I'm thinking about it from yesterday...

There are books on more or less free licenses, like CC or GNU GPL. They are, rare. Very rare. But they allow at least for free distribution, or even modification. Thats kind of filosophical value, much better propagated in open-source crowd these days...

If we could finde somebody that wrote a book and made it free as in the speech and is promoting it now? Yeah, I know, with these "artist" mentality happens "once every twenty five years"...
I you're feeling hurt with last sentence look at the quotation-marks!

But if we could, what about publishing it to a blockchain? Ideally with launch of service for that, easy to use for layman (there seems to be krypte already). Sending requires some datacoins. Why not crowdfund that?

Yeah, make buzz, set crowdfunding campain, which goal would be sending free as in a speech and free as in a beer book to decentralized, redundant, globally accessible censorship-free storage.
(There could different cash goals, for sending basic compressed text version, text version+image cover, pdf+epub...)

And if content of this book would fit the above...

YEAH.

[chetalk]

A free faucet is always attractive for newbies!

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Thanks.

[madawc]

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THX in advance.

[KriszDev]

Add a new tab to the client named "file browser" where you can see all the files uploaded and you can upload files. And for the name support add an other db file and an online blockchain will be used so the client not have to download the chain (for saving space). And add "Private messages" option to send message to a selected people.

[Dkulak]

You should make bounties for people to make youtube videos on how to get data coin, sell data coin, the facts behind data coin, and just some good info and support videos for those who are just getting started I think it would grow interest and increase the knowledge of current data coin users.

Thanks
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[Sergis27]

This is a simple idea, but I think necessary.

missing "," no currency in their wallets that implements

example: 25000000.325, is easy to make mistakes with many zeros

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Thanks

[maxsolnc]

Ensure that mining is well understood and easy to set up even for the most newbie in the crypto business and the coin will sky rocket

Now it's pretty easy to setup xpool\gpool miner on Windows. Am I wrong?

Starting a faucet might be good. That is always attractive for beginners.

Do you have any devs (or maybe yourself) who can start faucet? Of course it will be rewarded.

Considering the relatively high cost of storing data in the chain and the fact that there are several cloud service offering few gigabytes of free space (but they can close your account, someone can hack the account ... so may not be so secure, though "good enough" for most people), the storage needs to be specialized.

One idea could be sort of connecting/interacting with tor, providing sort of DNS for TOR hidden services (mapping from some nice names to hidden service names abcdefghijkl.onion), or even normal services (IPv4/IPv6's) for countries with less favorable censorship laws.

It would work by storing special packet with DNS record, signed by private wallet key (it may be implicitly signed by the coin sender, but this may not be always what is wanted, for example if transaction is paid from some web wallet service or someone else).
Updates to DNS would mean republishing a new DNS record to replace the old one. It has to be signed by the same private key.

Optionally, the DNS record could also list wallet addresses (thereby defining private keys that can sign it), that can also update the records (i.e. create replacement records) for that domain - if such records are present, then management of the domain can be delegated to other people. Possibly it could be possible to delegate only part of a subdomain, like only "mail" subdomain to someone else.

So for example, if my address is DJEM5aC9TpuNf1SShV5ESdExKu2nGQH7sP and I want to register domain "singula.data" pointing to some hidden service in TOR, the record could look like:

Code:

DOMAIN|name=singula.data|address=zbcdefghijklmnoq.onion|owner=DJEM5aC9TpuNf1SShV5ESdExKu2nGQH7sP|delegation:mail.singula.data=(address of friend managing the mail server)

... and the whole will be signed by my private key (private key for my address DJEM5aC9TpuNf1SShV5ESdExKu2nGQH7sP)

Simple records would likely would fit into 1 Kb with the signature, so the cost would be 0.1 DTC

When resolving, you must unfortunately go from first block, find first record, then move up to see if there are replacement records and if they are correctly signed. Though you have to do the same for ordinary transactions

Domain records are short, so it would not cost a fortune to put these records in the blockchain (though unlike traditional DNS, you have to pay for updates) and may be a nice alternative to traditional DNS.

If you look into Datacoin git, you can see that HTTP server is under active development, so it will be pretty easy to store\receive data and make other actions with help of simple HTTP requests\responses, encryption can be also included. In future TOR can also be included into the network - as soon as we get developer who knows TOR well, we can work at that.

hmmm, Well i am not too good at ideas. And honestly i am still pretty new to this crypto coin shit..
but something i would like to see out of a coin like this. Would be to team up with a cloud site.

Trade DTC for time on a cloud site = mine DTC with their cpu. ( you could mine anything but just staying DTC). There are alot of cpu coins lately.

More and more people are wanting Cloud service. So if they can use DTC for cloud time. Would bring up the price. And would
make DTC wanted outside the average crypto groups.

Honestly remember, I don't know what you are looking for in ideas. Just my thought. I can't mine this with my laptop. And if i remember this coin is about data storage. And using cloud hold your cpu miners is kinda like that right?

Do you mean renting miner's CPUs for Datacoin?

How about a website that gives away small amount of DTC for clicking on adds. The giveaway would be financed by the adds revenues, and that would distribute the stakes of datacoin on more people.

The same answer as for faucet, look above

Add a new tab to the client named "file browser" where you can see all the files uploaded and you can upload files. And for the name support add an other db file and an online blockchain will be used so the client not have to download the chain (for saving space). And add "Private messages" option to send message to a selected people.

It will be released with major GUI changes - with new wallet you'll be able to upload\download data, browse files, etc directly from its GUI.

You should make bounties for people to make youtube videos on how to get data coin, sell data coin, the facts behind data coin, and just some good info and support videos for those who are just getting started I think it would grow interest and increase the knowledge of current data coin users.

There is also 'bounties' thread, but if you think that Youtube rewards should be separate... hmm, I'll think about that.

This is a simple idea, but I think necessary.

missing "," no currency in their wallets that implements

example: 25000000.325, is easy to make mistakes with many zeros

haha, cool

Thanks for ideas to all! As you see, anyone with strong developer skills and free time can come to this thread, pick up an idea that is not in official development right now and start creating his own project. It's really awesome, many thanks to all posters!!
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