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Question: Should we ban something on the Bitcoin marketplace?
Illegal goods - 43 (27.2%)
Adult content - 9 (5.7%)
HYIP's - 16 (10.1%)
Don't ban anything (for now) - 90 (57%)
Total Voters: 133

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February 16, 2011, 04:08:26 PM
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If you ban illegal goods here, another place for them will appear.
I don't have a problem with such things. I only have a problem with them attracting bad attention to Bitcoin and causing its greater mission to suffer. I don't care if they are on another website. I just don't think they should be on the official Bitcoin website.

Bitcoin is too important to get slowed down by easily-avoidable police attention.

Do not waste your time debating whether Bitcoin can work. It does work.

"Early adopters will profit" is not a sufficient condition to classify something as a pyramid or Ponzi scheme. If it was, Apple and Microsoft stock are Ponzi schemes.

There is no such thing as "market manipulation." There is only buying and selling.
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February 16, 2011, 04:08:33 PM
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There should be no rules on content beyond common sense. Correct categorization is necessary, though, so people don't see content that they don't expect. "NSFW" tags are fine now, but maybe later a sub-forum will be needed.

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February 16, 2011, 04:10:36 PM
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Stuff all the p0rn stuff in the NSFW section?

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February 16, 2011, 04:46:54 PM
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I put no bans, but I don't think it matters much either way.
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February 16, 2011, 06:01:07 PM
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I have probably another opinion that many of you. I think this forum should be about project development and comunity. Not about selling Romanian women, drugs, child porn or <anything>porn. If anybody want to offer this, let the separate forum appear somewhere around. But I prefer to keep Bitcoin "clean". I just don't want to send link to Bitcoin to my grandma, when big horse dicks appear on first forum page...

I'm not scared that somebody shut down this forum because of illegal content, but it can damage Bitcoin reputation ("Did you see their forum? Bitcoin is just for drug dealers").

Your grammar is a bit sketchy, but I agree with you 100%.

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February 16, 2011, 06:42:53 PM
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At the moment, there is really no illegal stuff on the forums, so this is not a problem (yet).

Perhaps this poll should be repeated in few months - after/if such goods become a "major issue"...

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February 16, 2011, 07:44:17 PM
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Force and fraud.

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February 16, 2011, 11:50:53 PM
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If you ban illegal goods here, another place for them will appear.

I think that's the whole point of the discussion - to keep it away from THIS forum if at all.

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it is needed to at least ban illegal stuff here
otherwise its bitcoin suicide at least midterm

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February 16, 2011, 11:53:08 PM
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If you ban illegal goods here, another place for them will appear

I think that's the whole point of the discussion - to keep it away from THIS forum if at all.
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let's at least ban things that are illegal in most regions (cp, heavy drugs, violence etc)

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February 17, 2011, 12:42:50 AM
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If you ban illegal goods here, another place for them will appear

I think that's the whole point of the discussion - to keep it away from THIS forum if at all.
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February 17, 2011, 01:21:57 AM
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I'd like it to be at least moved to another section called Questionable Behavior or something. BTC4LSD type of things would blend in somewhat with a section devoted to random/funny posts, and really the prior seemed like an obvious scam anyhow. I think that the rigorously obtained libertarian legal position is to not outlaw things like drug use, calling for the assassination of a "Pol Pot" type of leader, or even some forms of softcore child porn being shot (or anyone viewing images). This doesn't mean that our political position has to actually advocate any of those things or begrudgingly give them a forum and feel a sense of obligation. Doing so is both a theoretical and practical error IMO.

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February 17, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
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Maybe a compromise, a middle ground can be found here. Do not ban them per s.e. but send them to a reservation... like give them their separate sections on the forum and let them stagnate or flourish there.

Creating a separate "black market" subforum will just give it more exposure.

I think you should ban child porn, assassination offers and similar things related to aggression on other individuals, but not drugs or consensual porn, because it's just peaceful trade with no victims.

That might not be a terrible thing, look a /b/ on 4chan

Could have our own /b/ board

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February 17, 2011, 08:45:47 AM
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What do you ban when bitcoin itself becomes illegal?

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February 17, 2011, 12:45:58 PM
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If you ban illegal goods here, another place for them will appear

I think that's the whole point of the discussion - to keep it away from THIS forum if at all.
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let's at least ban things that are illegal in most regions (cp, heavy drugs, violence etc)

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February 17, 2011, 05:42:00 PM
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There shouldn't be any need to ban something between two consenting adults.  What is "illegal" for two consenting adults in one place is "legal" somewhere else.  Is this not a worldwide community?

I don't think bitcoin should be taking sides or aligning with certain political forces over others for sake of popularity.  Hands-off would be better.


I like the idea of banning force and fraud.  If someone is taking money and not doing what they promised, then don't let them post here.  Remove their fraudulent website from the list.  If someone is advertising force services (eg. send me btc and I will beat someone up for you or send me btc and I will kill someone for you), that should also be banned.  Anything to do with children, and we can leave that up to forum admin on what age/maturity/etc is considered a child, can be banned.


Don't try to moderate the open market and what two consenting adults want to do.  I think bitcoin is about a free open market and free choice.  Limited choice is what spawned bitcoin's creation in the first place.  If you don't approve or wish to participate in some product or service, then don't.  How can you judge and say something between consenting adults is immoral?  On what grounds can you say something shouldn't be allowed here?


+1 for force/fraud/minors

-100000... for banning anything else.
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February 17, 2011, 06:54:51 PM
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Don't try to moderate the open market and what two consenting adults want to do.  I think bitcoin is about a free open market and free choice.  Limited choice is what spawned bitcoin's creation in the first place.  If you don't approve or wish to participate in some product or service, then don't.  How can you judge and say something between consenting adults is immoral?  On what grounds can you say something shouldn't be allowed here?

You're the first one to bring up any argument of these being "immoral". No one said that and I doubt many feel that. As others and I have said, it's about keeping the integrity of the forum and focusing on what is important.
Let's say months down the line, a third of the market of filled with drug dealing. Do you really think a website/community like slashdot would even want to write about it? How would we gain publicity if websites don't want to cover something involving drug sales? Do you think if a big market like, say, amazon, was to look into bitcoin and saw drug dealing was openly happening on the home site of bitcoin, they would even bother?

Silly. I understand everyone's want for integrity and open freedoms, but this forum is integrated into bitcoin.org, where everyone will come to check out bitcoins and learn. Where the majority of people will disapprove of drugs, especially of the anonymous sales of them online. Again, I'm not implying this is me, I don't care what you do with your bitcoins. But putting drug sales right next door to the bitcoin homepage and FAQ, gives the wrong idea, especially to the majority of internet users who do not fully understand bitcoins, the technology behind it, nor care about it, and are just looking into a "paypal alternative".

Stop taking it so personal. I don't care what two consenting adults do(who's to say your transaction is with an adult anyway?). I wish we had a marketplace forum separate of bitcoin.org where rules weren't an issue, because having it tied to bitcoin.org is my ONLY problem. Bitcoin.org is the face of the community, and there's no sense having things like this plastered on the walls. If the no holds barred ruling stays, I hope it doesn't bite us in the ass concerning publicity.

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February 17, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
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It seems there is a problem with the definition of "illegal": some people here disagree that certain types of light drugs should be illegal.

A possible solution is to ban items which negatively affect more people than just the user: things such as spam, CP, ddos'ing services all majorly impact someone outside of the buyer-seller relationship.
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February 17, 2011, 07:36:42 PM
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Let's say months down the line, a third of the market of filled with drug dealing. Do you really think a website/community like slashdot would even want to write about it?

But it's not the case, so let's not worry about it in advance. You don't know what will happen.
For example, maybe it will actually start global discussion about drugs and help stop the so called "war on drugs"?

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February 17, 2011, 07:43:57 PM
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Throw caution to the wind or proceed slowly?

That's the crux of the debate, isn't it?

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February 17, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
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I know a few people that were interested by the bitcoin stuff and, after visiting this forum, told me that "hey, this is just a project for junkie and anarchist retards that hope to defeat the governement".

So, yes, the current forum has already turned away 2 people I know.

And when I first read the "Heroin thread", I nearly gave up completely for the whole bitcoin thing.

I find this forum definitely not friendly in that regard and I believe that Bitcoin reputation is already suffering because of this.

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