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Question: Should we ban something on the Bitcoin marketplace?
Illegal goods - 43 (27.2%)
Adult content - 9 (5.7%)
HYIP's - 16 (10.1%)
Don't ban anything (for now) - 90 (57%)
Total Voters: 133

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February 18, 2011, 01:27:52 PM
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It won't take long before ... some "authorities" will start bugging our asses about it.
I think it's likely that the authorities will bug people's asses much harder about the monetary aspects of bitcoin than the illicit substances aspect.

I doubt it. Noone's knocking down Neopets for their Neocash... It's the tax-free trade that will bug the federales.

Of course, What can they do about it?

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February 18, 2011, 01:39:37 PM
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It won't take long before ... some "authorities" will start bugging our asses about it.
I think it's likely that the authorities will bug people's asses much harder about the monetary aspects of bitcoin than the illicit substances aspect.

Still, the less bugging, the better for us.
It's a better strategy to avoid confrontation to get more strength and battle later.

Every single day, Bitcoin is getting more and more powerful. At some point in the future, it will be not only unstoppable, but it won't even be possible to slow it down.

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February 18, 2011, 01:45:08 PM
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If you buy drugs off someone on a public forum you deserve everything you get for being so stupid. It is either a fed honeypot or some other kind of scam.

 Remember the economic hitmen like to find useful idiots and use them for their own twisted gain. Be smarter than the feds and deal only with those you know in person .

tl;dr assume anyone selling drugs,child porn , weapons or stuff states dont like is a FED . If you want that stuff find a local to trade with in person .

 If someone spouts violence or tries to lure you into illegal activity they more than likely  a FED.


We know how they operate and it is actually good that they post these things so its easy to know who to avoid. Its better to have an enemy inside your tent pissing out then outside your tent pissing in.

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Dont ban anything so we know who the feds are lol.





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February 18, 2011, 01:52:03 PM
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tl;dr assume anyone selling drugs,child porn , weapons or stuff states dont like is a FED . If you want that stuff find a local to trade with in person .

 If someone spouts violence or tries to lure you into illegal activity they more than likely  a FED.

Dont ban anything so we know who the feds are lol.

This. Smart man, this noagendamarket. Speaking of which, you would be a fan of the crackpot & buzzkill, then?

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February 18, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
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emansipater seems pretty big on telling others what to do ... emancipation only flows one way eh?

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February 18, 2011, 07:29:13 PM
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Bitcoin wasn't designed to bring down the current fiat monetary systems, they are failing under the weight of their own failed premises. After they have failed, bitcoin cryptocurrency, or its descendants, will replace the failed centralised, fiat monetary experiments.

I believe that Satoshi intended to replace the failed system with cryptocurrencies, if not to destroy fiat currency.

Side effects and intent are indistinguishable in this case.

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February 18, 2011, 08:01:39 PM
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Even if you're giving something for free, if it's illegal then it's not a matter of us deciding if it's on the marketplace rather than it's the authorities that are going to do something.

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February 19, 2011, 12:29:07 AM
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tl;dr assume anyone selling drugs,child porn , weapons or stuff states dont like is a FED . If you want that stuff find a local to trade with in person .

 If someone spouts violence or tries to lure you into illegal activity they more than likely  a FED.

Dont ban anything so we know who the feds are lol.

This. Smart man, this noagendamarket. Speaking of which, you would be a fan of the crackpot & buzzkill, then?

Of course. Im surprised with all the problems with paypal they get that they dont jump on bitcoin as a solution .
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February 19, 2011, 12:57:27 AM
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tl;dr assume anyone selling drugs,child porn , weapons or stuff states dont like is a FED . If you want that stuff find a local to trade with in person .

 If someone spouts violence or tries to lure you into illegal activity they more than likely  a FED.

Dont ban anything so we know who the feds are lol.

This. Smart man, this noagendamarket. Speaking of which, you would be a fan of the crackpot & buzzkill, then?

Of course. Im surprised with all the problems with paypal they get that they dont jump on bitcoin as a solution .

Has anyone suggested it to them? I'm sure Adam, at least would love it, And John is smart enough to see it's uses. If not, I'll email Adam Saturday and hope he spots it.

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February 19, 2011, 01:08:59 AM
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tl;dr assume anyone selling drugs,child porn , weapons or stuff states dont like is a FED . If you want that stuff find a local to trade with in person .

 If someone spouts violence or tries to lure you into illegal activity they more than likely  a FED.

Dont ban anything so we know who the feds are lol.

This. Smart man, this noagendamarket. Speaking of which, you would be a fan of the crackpot & buzzkill, then?

Of course. Im surprised with all the problems with paypal they get that they dont jump on bitcoin as a solution .

Has anyone suggested it to them? I'm sure Adam, at least would love it, And John is smart enough to see it's uses. If not, I'll email Adam Saturday and hope he spots it.

I emailed them ages ago but they didnt seem interested. Maybe an 'incentive' might help . Bitcoin could be an executive producer or something lol.
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February 19, 2011, 01:42:26 AM
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seriously if bitcoin is destined to go mainstream then it's bound to happen regardless of 'image'. quite simply because it's so unique and there's nothing else like it.

I really don't think "bitcoin has an immutable destiny therefore we shouldn't try to avoid problems" is a great philosophy.

Looking forward to quantum computing so we can have qubitcoins.
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February 19, 2011, 01:58:04 AM
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http://silkroad420.wordpress.com/

There is already a black market site behind tor.  Smiley
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February 19, 2011, 07:00:30 AM
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In principle I don't advocate for banning anything, however I have serious concerns about advertising contraband on this forum.

By doing so, you paint a target on the exchangers.

Too few of you understand what exchangers have already been through. It was police action over gambling that caused every exchanger in the USA to quit or flee.

What is the FBI and RCMP going to do now that some of you have openly advertised sale of drugs by mail? Gambling got exchange people imprisoned, exiled and even murdered. What is police reaction going to be now, offering illegal drugs for sale and naming exchangers in the same posts?

In the past few weeks I've noticed links to illicit offers in my referrer logs. In all my years of working as cashier to the internet I've never seen such blatant disregard for the principles of discretion.

The men who run the bitcoin markets and the exchange services are not anonymous ghosts. We are real people in meat space with reams of law to obey, ID documents, bank accounts, offices and licenses. We can very easily be tapped by the lawmen.

Do you jokers really think exchangers will work for you when you have such little regard for their liberty?

Shut the hell up already.

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February 19, 2011, 03:53:31 PM
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In principle I don't advocate for banning anything, however I have serious concerns about advertising contraband on this forum.

By doing so, you paint a target on the exchangers.

Too few of you understand what exchangers have already been through. It was police action over gambling that caused every exchanger in the USA to quit or flee.

What is the FBI and RCMP going to do now that some of you have openly advertised sale of drugs by mail? Gambling got exchange people imprisoned, exiled and even murdered. What is police reaction going to be now, offering illegal drugs for sale and naming exchangers in the same posts?

In the past few weeks I've noticed links to illicit offers in my referrer logs. In all my years of working as cashier to the internet I've never seen such blatant disregard for the principles of discretion.

The men who run the bitcoin markets and the exchange services are not anonymous ghosts. We are real people in meat space with reams of law to obey, ID documents, bank accounts, offices and licenses. We can very easily be tapped by the lawmen.

Do you jokers really think exchangers will work for you when you have such little regard for their liberty?

Shut the hell up already.

Very good point, i didn't think of it this way.
So trading illegals also introduces extra risk of police intervention among exchangers ? Interesting, indeed.

However, do you have any links to support this ? I would like to read more.

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February 19, 2011, 04:05:55 PM
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About half of the community want to ban illegal activities, adult content or HYIPs.

This should be enough for a decision to ban these. Even 30% voting for illegal activities to be banned is enough. Noone could ever want to have a thrid of the bitcoin community leaving beacuse of this.
It even seems that some got so nervous and sold a lot of bitcoins over the past 24 hours. I think it's time to act.

Who can finally decide and execute this ban? Sirius?

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February 19, 2011, 04:38:01 PM
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I really don't think "bitcoin has an immutable destiny therefore we shouldn't try to avoid problems" is a great philosophy.

Rule #1: We aren't invincible.

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The men who run the bitcoin markets and the exchange services are not anonymous ghosts. We are real people in meat space with reams of law to obey, ID documents, bank accounts, offices and licenses. We can very easily be tapped by the lawmen.

Rule #2: Don't endanger men who have nothing to do with your dangerous exchanges.

If you guys want to be agorists, that's fine. Please, for the love of Eris, be a lot more cautious. People like me are above-ground persons, not a real agorist.

By the way, don't tell me and everyone else your illegal activities. I don't want to be forced t to be a police witness to some illegal activities that's taking place but nonetheless consensual(drug, sex for hire, etc). It is wrong to force your friends into ethically impossible situations.

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February 19, 2011, 05:39:28 PM
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New marketplace rule: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3629.0

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February 19, 2011, 05:57:52 PM
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Illegal goods are now banned on the marketplace (rules). The decision is based on the notion that there's no need to keep that kind of content on this particular forum. The cost of having to go somewhere else is smaller than the cost of possible bad reputation on this forum.

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February 19, 2011, 06:05:31 PM
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Finally.

Illegal goods are now banned on the marketplace (rules). The decision is based on the notion that there's no need to keep that kind of content on this particular forum. The cost of having to go somewhere else is smaller than the cost of possible bad reputation on this forum.

Exactly what i had in mind.

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February 19, 2011, 08:31:25 PM
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Illegal goods are now banned on the marketplace (rules). The decision is based on the notion that there's no need to keep that kind of content on this particular forum. The cost of having to go somewhere else is smaller than the cost of possible bad reputation on this forum.

Agreed. This is not the place. There are places, and that is good, but not a good idea to draw heat down on bitcoin itself.

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