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August 31, 2014, 04:59:41 PM
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You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

I don't quite keep an eye on economic conditions around the world but one thing is certain that bitcoin is here to stop the economic devastation.
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August 31, 2014, 09:17:11 PM
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You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

I don't quite keep an eye on economic conditions around the world but one thing is certain that bitcoin is here to stop the economic devastation.


i'm midway through "understand everything fundamentally" and according to what i've siphoned out of the essay, bitcoin will only slow an inevitable economic devastation. the current paradigm of "what is wealth" is the root error and creates a systemic infection where people begin to treat symptoms of the infection with solutions (bitcoin). much like doctors do today in the west. "Oh, you have a cold? Take antibiotics and cold medication!". The root cause of the disease was stress, but the doctor doesn't address this


note to readers...the technical nature of "understand everything fundamentally" is a bit over my head..so my interpretation could be somewhat flawed






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September 01, 2014, 05:42:15 AM
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I agree with the 'can't buy knowledge' part. Internet has made the cost of most knowledge almost free or next to nothing, something that people in the pre-internet era couldn't dream of. Hopefully these large amounts of knowledge available can bring some quality changes.


Free knowledge mostly benefit 3rd world. But that is causing havoc back in the 1st world country as most resources went into research and development, and now being given away for free.

You are wrong, 3rd world has no internet or is highly filtered.

Smart phone is actually very popular in 3rd world country. And they do have high speed internet service.
Most 3rd world countries are still several years behind the rest of the world in terms of smart phone availability as well as cell network performance.
You don't need a top of the line smart phone to utilize bitcoin. The blockchain.info app could be used on the 1st generation iphone or most android phones that are several generations old.
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September 06, 2014, 01:22:13 PM
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This 'Dark Enlightenment' theory is a blatant case of pattern over-matching, as are many of the theories of 'AnonyMint' I'm reading.
My estimate is that he lives in the US. I can sense by the distorted world-view, surely a fault of the propaganda ministry of his country.
The guy is smart, make no mistake, but as it happen with most of the smart ones, when they start to see patterns and verify that their deductions were right, then they start over-matching relations among events. Many of them seems unable to control their environmental predictor in the brain. The verification process of a deduction, in the realm of society and politics, is a difficult task that has more to do with art than with science. This is because exact verification is impossible, especially at the bottom level of society (you and me).
The economic-focused details of his theories have something right in them, but even this is wasted in the surrounding confusion.

It is funny that these threads theorize so many weird and implausible things, all the while major historical events are unfolding right now.
It seems like for someone is better to look at the sun, instead of the country below, when they finally reach the mountaintop.


Edit:
I just realized how much of this 'warning: this is for high IQ audience' crap there is around here. Oh boy. What has happened for the last 50 years and is happening now is very simple to understand. So simple that it has been necessary to cover it in a fog of confusion.
Everybody can understand anything, if he want. Don't listen to people that tell you that you are too stupid to understand something. Maybe they are too stupid to explain it.

Fortune cannot take away what she has not given.
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September 07, 2014, 05:32:36 AM
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I agree with the 'can't buy knowledge' part. Internet has made the cost of most knowledge almost free or next to nothing, something that people in the pre-internet era couldn't dream of. Hopefully these large amounts of knowledge available can bring some quality changes.

Free knowledge mostly benefit 3rd world. But that is causing havoc back in the 1st world country as most resources went into research and development, and now being given away for free.

You are wrong, 3rd world has no internet or is highly filtered.

Smart phone is actually very popular in 3rd world country. And they do have high speed internet service.
Most 3rd world countries are still several years behind the rest of the world in terms of smart phone availability as well as cell network performance.
You don't need a top of the line smart phone to utilize bitcoin. The blockchain.info app could be used on the 1st generation iphone or most android phones that are several generations old.

That is correct. Read an article a few days back about how mozilla phones could increase bitcoin adoption in the developing world.

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/low-cost-firefox-phones-could-bring-bitcoin-developing-world/2014/09/02


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September 07, 2014, 05:46:14 AM
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This 'Dark Enlightenment' theory is a blatant case of pattern over-matching, as are many of the theories of 'AnonyMint' I'm reading.
My estimate is that he lives in the US. I can sense by the distorted world-view, surely a fault of the propaganda ministry of his country.
The guy is smart, make no mistake, but as it happen with most of the smart ones, when they start to see patterns and verify that their deductions were right, then they start over-matching relations among events. Many of them seems unable to control their environmental predictor in the brain. The verification process of a deduction, in the realm of society and politics, is a difficult task that has more to do with art than with science. This is because exact verification is impossible, especially at the bottom level of society (you and me).
The economic-focused details of his theories have something right in them, but even this is wasted in the surrounding confusion.

It is funny that these threads theorize so many weird and implausible things, all the while major historical events are unfolding right now.
It seems like for someone is better to look at the sun, instead of the country below, when they finally reach the mountaintop.


Edit:
I just realized how much of this 'warning: this is for high IQ audience' crap there is around here. Oh boy. What has happened for the last 50 years and is happening now is very simple to understand. So simple that it has been necessary to cover it in a fog of confusion.
Everybody can understand anything, if he want. Don't listen to people that tell you that you are too stupid to understand something. Maybe they are too stupid to explain it.

Isn't Dark Enlightenment a neo-fascist movement?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100012093/meet-the-dark-enlightenment-sophisticated-neo-fascism-thats-spreading-fast-on-the-net/
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September 07, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
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Thanks, didn't know that. Another point against this shit, i guess.

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September 08, 2014, 02:46:53 PM
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BTC will save us from economic chaos we are headed into.
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September 08, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
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how can fascism be a thing in 2014?  Huh
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Fascists are the ones calling other fascists.
Inb4 Godwin point et al.
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how can fascism be a thing in 2014?  Huh

50% of the economy is government, what would you rather call it.   Its very much a thing at least economical, the other doctrine to go with it might be missing but you could argue the same is true of China and its alledged communism yet it appears more capitalist then the USA at least economically.    Things are not as they are labelled in many areas, I'd guess that was the same at least to start off in the last century also

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September 09, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
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You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.


could anyone give me a tl;dr of the works of AnonyMint?

Thx x
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You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.


could anyone give me a tl;dr of the works of AnonyMint?

Thx x

TLDR: hide your kids, hide your wife. they're raping errbody out here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520 ^^
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will give it a crack, thx guys ^^
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could anyone give me a tl;dr of the works of AnonyMint?

"I am far far more intelligent than anyone else in the world. Everything I say is correct. Anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and unable to fully understand the scale of my mind."

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could anyone give me a tl;dr of the works of AnonyMint?

"I am far far more intelligent than anyone else in the world. Everything I say is correct. Anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and unable to fully understand the scale of my mind."

Oh my god I just started reading Demise of Finance, you description is perfect!

That being said it is impossible to discuss what he is attempting to communicate because he has defined....... nothing.

Clearly attempting to reconcile classical thermodynamics and economics though, and that's cool. Gunna give that a crack myself.

*edit found half a definition of the first page, doesn't help much, language is flowing between physics and muggle!
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One last attempt to explain how I see that the rich buys club is incongruent with the future.

I could summarize all my posts in this thread with the following outcome in the movie Braveheart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdlL65LD6I4

You really should watch that and see the unexpected SWAN impale the rich boys British at the end.


Sorry that is just a constant size reduction and it doesn't solve the fundamental problem that ring-signatures can't be pruned, except by some other restrictions such as an expiry on coins.

We start with swans, then it gets interesting, and hard.

There IS an obliterating black swan (i.e. Taleb's unexpected long-tail statistic event) they don't see, whilst they be doing busy-bee grunt work of fixing databases for a broken design, making a gui, etc..

I am also a business angel, funding people's things ever since 2004.

And this produced how many million user products?

I have produced (one as a co-developer) three separate "million user" level products since 1980s. With a lot of goofing off vacation time in between (mea culpa).

I am fine if you don't want to come to my castle but that is the necessary condition if you want to deal with me.

I suppose this was directed to me as well as any others who aspire.

This is analogous to the inefficiency of saying that anyone who wants to buy french fries needs to travel to Belgium.

Those who are truly capable don't need any money. There will be too much money trying to be rammed down their throat.

Money is the weak thing to hold. Knowledge is strength.

My suggestion to you was to be more friendly and spread an insignificant (for you) investments around on all promising endeavors in order to be respected for your 1% instead of resented by the community. Also to give yourself more chance on not missing the swan boat when it comes. Your "Rpietila's Altcoin" thread instead of being a jovial and spirited discussion of exciting developments, should be renamed "Rpietila's Monero Membership Club". I am not upset about it, I am just relaying to you how it appears to others who are not brainwashed by "Monero is the answer".

You've already been friendly to me and you even gifted me 2 BTC. There is no problem between you and I. I am writing to gift you feedback, because in my analysis you are in the process of committing a fail and possibly a mega-fail.

Expecting busy hackers to go through personal interviews with you is I am sorry to tell from the perspective of a hacker insulting. I am not insulted, but I am telling you what sort of actions and attitude breed animosity. We build our reputations by our code, not our talking.

"Talk is cheap, show me the code"— Linus Torvalds

"Those who can't build, talk"— Eric Raymond

Your stance is fundamentally incongruent with the open source movement. Open source projects will spawn more and more granularly (smaller teams) and stored capital and top-down organization will become more and more irrelevant.

This is a virtual new economy; we only need to click a button to make an investment. We don't need to travel across the world. And we don't need to invest everything in one thing or two things, thus we don't need to know all the answers before the questions can even be asked. Creativity spawns serendipitously not as planned (even my own work lately proves this is true, because I didn't plan all the ideas I discovered along the way).

Open source is the odds of large numbers.

"Given enough eye balls, all bugs are shallow"— Eric Raymond paraphrasing Linus Torvalds

"Given enough experiments, all possibilities are achievable"— Shelby Moore III paraphrasing Eric Raymond paraphrasing Linus Torvalds

Eric Raymond noted that is the only known positive-scaling law in software engineering, i.e. that efficiency improves the more autonomous N actors involved. Design by top-down grouping or committee is not the same scaling law.

We don't have time to waste on top-down bureaucracy.

Warren Buffett doesn't do angel investing, because he wants to evaluate companies based on well established metrics. Angel investing is a game of more risky probabilities. Thus efficiency of scattershot is more important. Angel investing will become less and less like an exhaustive evaluation and more and more spontaneous and small, e.g. KickStarter. Everyone gives a little bit, not one big whale slowing everything down.

The Knowledge Age is the end of the road for large stored capital. The power-law distribution of wealth will shift to stored knowledge. Actionable knowledge will be power-law distributed. It already is. Which is why when you are searching for a needle in a haystack, don't tell the needle to jump to your castle.

P.S. I do want to have friendships and vacation in nice resorts such as castles. But that is vacation time. I can't mix business with vacation, it doesn't work. When I am coding, I need to be where ever I already am where I can code now, not tomorrow, not after a conversation, not after a glass of wine, not after ... Procrastination is the bane of software development. My best work has come when I didn't have material comforts.

I have not taken a shower in 2 months. I haven't washed my clothes, they are stink like a pig pen. I have not been outside of my room nor seen the sunshine except to restock on food.

Time is of the essence.


It doesn't matter if Paypal accepts Bitcoin because users who are not investors (e.g. especially females and the billions of impoverished) have no incentive to convert from their unit-of-account (dollars) to BTC just to pay for something. They might as well just fund their Paypal transactions with their credit card or bank account. Bitcoin will not become the unit-of-account without the blessing of the government, because it has no distribution scale.

Most of the impoverished don't have a credit card nor bank account.

The Paypal plan.

The reason Paypal couldn't just issue everyone in the developing world an account is because of jealousy thus legal and political risk. Governments would resist take over of their financial control by an overtly fascist corporation.

Peter Thiel et al are more clever.

Issue everyone a supranational digital account that is "decentralized and controlled by no one", when in fact it is centralized and controlled by the fascist powers-that-be.

Use this to force other countries into submission when they attempt to offer their own top-down centralized digital currencies, e.g. Ecuador.

The people are trapped either way in a fully traceable block chain and NWO Technocracy.

Monero (portmanteau of money+dying euro?) offers no hope of scaling to avert this rapidly developing fascist outcome.

C'est la vie. Fait accompli.

And the competing and equally devastating Apple Plan.
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September 10, 2014, 08:01:26 AM
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could anyone give me a tl;dr of the works of AnonyMint?

"I am far far more intelligent than anyone else in the world. Everything I say is correct. Anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and unable to fully understand the scale of my mind."

Your attention span is too ephemeral.


You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

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could anyone give me a tl;dr of the works of AnonyMint?

"I am far far more intelligent than anyone else in the world. Everything I say is correct. Anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and unable to fully understand the scale of my mind."

Your attention span is too ephemeral.


You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.


AgonyMint, why have you created a new account?

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October 30, 2014, 10:01:37 PM
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Coherently unifying all the concepts:

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