PeterColumboFalk
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February 23, 2021, 08:06:57 PM |
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Elon is selling his Bitcoins ...
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vella85
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February 23, 2021, 09:35:01 PM |
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Doge and many other Altcoins are holding up well when priced in sats. Yes the USD value for Doge has taken a hit but the sats price is holding up strong which is a good sign of support for Doge. It will be interesting to see what Elon does in the coming days when it comes to Doge.
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I can promote your project on X to my 100k+ followers for a reasonable price. Just DM me for prices.
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cfif
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February 24, 2021, 07:01:52 PM |
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Elon is selling his Bitcoins ...
I am disagree with you. Elons Bitcoins could not be sold so quickly. It is not so easy to sold right now. Companies around all world want to buy bitcoin right now, we should to see a big run = to the moon.
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February 24, 2021, 07:10:22 PM |
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Elon is selling his Bitcoins ...
I am disagree with you. Elons Bitcoins could not be sold so quickly. It is not so easy to sold right now. Companies around all world want to buy bitcoin right now, we should to see a big run = to the moon. It's possible he could've but it wouldn't have had much significant impact on price, when bitcoin's 24 hour volume is around $40-70 BILLION where Elon only had 1.5$ Billion.
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masulum
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hmph..
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February 24, 2021, 11:05:13 PM |
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I am disagree with you. Elons Bitcoins could not be sold so quickly. It is not so easy to sold right now. Companies around all world want to buy bitcoin right now, we should to see a big run = to the moon.
Well, actually if elon selling his bitcoin on 52-55K, with a huge money from his company, they are already get huge profit, or instant profit. Now depend on people just following musk decision, or will take your decision in trading. This is will help you to more stronger in take a decision for buy or sell your asset, with or without tweet from him.
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HOLD...
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Daltonik
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February 26, 2021, 09:13:10 AM |
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SEC Launches Investigation after Elon Musk's Dogecoin Tweets? In any case, this is reported in his Twitter account @FirstSquawk to which Elon replied: "if this is really true, then it would be great"
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D3m0nKinGx
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February 26, 2021, 11:37:14 AM |
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SEC Launches Investigation after Elon Musk's Dogecoin Tweets? In any case, this is reported in his Twitter account @FirstSquawk to which Elon replied: "if this is really true, then it would be great" None of those tweets are definitive statements of #FACT. There's no official investigation. You are being TROLLED. Try to see the difference lol
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Switchain
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February 27, 2021, 05:45:11 AM |
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I wanted to let community members know that DOGE is integrated into Oxis. Oxis is a multi-coin, non-custodial wallet. Fiat on-ramping is available and users can swap between coins/tokens without KYC. Your feedback is appreciated.
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Daltonik
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February 28, 2021, 05:54:54 AM |
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SEC Launches Investigation after Elon Musk's Dogecoin Tweets?
Haha, it will be very interesting to see the face of other shillers if the ending becomes savage. The speculation is real and someone has to pay the price for pumped shitcoin prices. The broken investors look for the person to blame and everyone points the Elon's tweets. I think you are right that in the future many will have to pay a high price, but on the other hand, there is also a statement from a group in the reddit community that they are not going to stop until the price of Doge reaches $1, what to do with such statements. The same Musk called on the Doge whales to sell some of their coins but this appeal went unanswered.
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vella85
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February 28, 2021, 09:38:35 PM |
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Well if its true that the SEC will investigate Elon Mush on his doge tweets then they are going to be very busy for many years because we see this everywhere and not just in crypto. I don't want to go off topic but the SEC should also take a look at Gary V and all the others pumping up the trading card markets. Its the same with Elon making a tweet about doge coin.
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February 28, 2021, 10:52:28 PM |
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New Wallet Release - v 1.14.3
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Timelord2067
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March 01, 2021, 12:56:17 AM |
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New Wallet Release - v 1.14.3 Thanks for the update. I was just wondering if there will be an Android Wallet release anytime soon? With more awareness via various Media Platforms, I'm sure the average user will appreciate a portable wallet to enable them to make transactions on the go.
Can someone post an addnode list please?
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March 01, 2021, 01:25:45 AM |
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New Wallet Release - v 1.14.3 Thanks for the update. I was just wondering if there will be an Android Wallet release anytime soon? With more awareness via various Media Platforms, I'm sure the average user will appreciate a portable wallet to enable them to make transactions on the go.
Can someone post an addnode list please? addnode=1.57.238.51 addnode=100.1.234.87 addnode=100.34.174.196 addnode=100.34.19.184 addnode=100.38.113.236 addnode=101.181.101.189 addnode=101.30.97.243 addnode=101.98.150.217 addnode=103.135.128.48 addnode=104.138.210.98 addnode=104.143.66.205 addnode=104.158.225.54 addnode=104.172.234.211 addnode=104.174.218.20 addnode=104.174.96.100 addnode=3.0.7.2 addnode=104.184.242.40 addnode=104.186.151.130 addnode=104.190.255.105 addnode=104.2.96.26 addnode=104.200.67.252 addnode=104.230.32.70 addnode=104.236.136.96 addnode=0.8.7.2 addnode=104.248.82.153 addnode=104.50.154.65 addnode=104.55.19.91 addnode=104.55.199.183 addnode=106.167.131.217 addnode=106.54.30.64 addnode=107.11.115.68 addnode=107.15.95.111 addnode=107.150.52.74 addnode=107.178.98.66 addnode=107.190.198.17 addnode=108.172.156.2 addnode=108.172.38.248 addnode=108.18.222.150 addnode=108.185.203.177 addnode=108.203.6.86 addnode=108.21.229.49 addnode=108.234.193.106 addnode=108.28.69.38 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Enjoy I believe you can use any third-party wallet that supports cryptocurrencies such as Doge. Example exodus: https://www.exodus.com/dogecoin-wallet#:~:text=Exodus%20Dogecoin%20Wallet%20App,your%20DOGE%20on%20multiple%20devices.
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Many thanks, I'm downloading the block-chain via Doge's Core version and will check out the example you gave. I've got some DOGE on paper wallets when I withdrew from exchanges that looked like they were about to crash (and did) selling what I could for DOGE then withdrawing. (not a lot mind you, but worth spending an hour or two setting the wallet up). Kudos.
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March 01, 2021, 11:25:07 AM |
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Elon Mask made another tweet about DOGE, and price incrased yesterday. It strange how one person can impact on price of any assets. Interesting only one thing, why did he chose DOGE, not other coin.
If we can recall about his previous tweets its the first cryptocurrency he talk about on social media next to bitcoin so looks like he was first experimenting on Doge on what will happen to price if he talk about it in twitter and looks successful because price skyrocketed same with bitcoin when also started to talk about it and change his bio on twitter that give much impact to its followers hitting new ATH almost everyday.
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March 01, 2021, 07:55:22 PM |
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Petition Asking Amazon to Accept Dogecoin Signed by Almost 100,000 People https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-dogecoin-accept-cryptocurrency-change-petition-100000-signatures-1572764let's remember that petitions to Accept Bitcoin and Litecoin in 2017 they only reached 17,722 https://cointelegraph.com/news/petition-requests-for-jeff-bezos-and-amazon-to-accept-bitcoin-and-litecoin-as-paymentsAnd some still wonder why dogecoin exists and is at the top of the cryptocurrencies? How naive they are ... belittling the value of adoption. They believe that a very sophisticated coin with a modern logo will be successful, no man, a very sophisticated coin can be replaced by a more sophisticated one. Those that have their own brand and mass of users, and the support of famous personalities, such as Bitcoin or Dogecoin, no.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. I have seen tips of thousands of Dogecoins. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
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March 01, 2021, 09:36:36 PM |
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If Amazon does accept Doge coin, it will be huge. In a way I can see this happening as Doge coins fees are cheap compared to Bitcoin and Ethereum. Yes we know there are other cryptocurrencies that can be used but Doge has one of the biggest communities and supporter base in crypto so I can see this happening. I myself use doge to transfer between exchanges and even some betting platforms as its cheaper in fees and in the long term we save a lot on fees.
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I can promote your project on X to my 100k+ followers for a reasonable price. Just DM me for prices.
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March 01, 2021, 09:45:10 PM |
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100k is a really big number, but I doubt Amazon will accept Dogecoin as a payment method. I think Litecon is much more likely to be accepted by Amazon as a form of payment. Of course, this is just my speculation and anything can happen.
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