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[klintay]

Any news? Zerocoin seems to be dead/vaporware.

If you care about anonymity, then you'd like to know that it can be achieved with the help of AT coin mixer, for coins that have AT support, eg. Qora and Burst. The first Atomic Cross Chain Transfer is to be made soon!

Yes, I do but I don't like any (third-party) mixers. They have nothing to do with anonymity. I also do not like Dash and Monero for some reasons. I like Zerocash/Zerocoin and the concept behind it.

Third party? I do not get what you mean. AT is open source.. There is no third party involved, meaning for the first time you don't have to trust anyone..


Or do you mean something else.

I meant I had not liked third-party mixers (you have to trust the mixer in this case) and any other mixers (your funds might be traced using taint techniques). But really don't know much about AT and if it's possible to reach a decent level of anonymity with it.

It's open source, you won't have to trust anyone - since you can review the code yourself.
Here is a relevant thread --> Please check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893271.0

So early 2016 is the launch date? We definitely need a new coin so excited about this. What about distribution? Will you do a IPO or giveaway? What is the approach to this?

[smoothie]

Zerocoin/cash is going to be a separate block chain. Technically an altcoin that will need miners to secure it.

Good luck with that. Seems like delays and more delays ...

At the very least Monero actually exists.

[klintay]

Zerocoin/cash is going to be a separate block chain. Technically an altcoin that will need miners to secure it.

Good luck with that. Seems like delays and more delays ...

At the very least Monero actually exists.

dunno about that...there is a hell of a lot of SHA256 and scrypt hardware out there already so....

[LiteCoinGuy]

Wired: Zerocoin Startup Revives the Dream of Truly Anonymous Money

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/zerocoin-startup-revives-the-dream-of-truly-anonymous-money/

[Searing]

Wired: Zerocoin Startup Revives the Dream of Truly Anonymous Money

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/zerocoin-startup-revives-the-dream-of-truly-anonymous-money/

All well and good ...but can you POW mine it? Can I pull out my old KNC Jupiter 550gh and have a go at it? (wtf its winter i can just use it as a speculative space heater)

hope its not 'scrypt' and GPU...or hell am I completely off and it is a 'protocol' to add to any alt scrypt or sha-256 as they stated 1 year ago....i think?

thanks

[klintay]

Wired: Zerocoin Startup Revives the Dream of Truly Anonymous Money

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/zerocoin-startup-revives-the-dream-of-truly-anonymous-money/

All well and good ...but can you POW mine it? Can I pull out my old KNC Jupiter 550gh and have a go at it? (wtf its winter i can just use it as a speculative space heater)

hope its not 'scrypt' and GPU...or hell am I completely off and it is a 'protocol' to add to any alt scrypt or sha-256 as they stated 1 year ago....i think?

thanks

good questions! any answer to these?

[Financisto]

Are those projects still alive?

http://zerocash-project.org

http://zercoin.org

http://z.cash

I haven't seen any action since 2014... 

They promise so much improvement towards privacy and anonymity.

Are there any active github repositories?

I just found this (inactive) one:

https://github.com/Zerocash

Is it all dead? 

[GTO911]

Still hot air

[nLockTime]

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/zcash-an-untraceable-bitcoin-alternative-launches-in-alpha/
https://github.com/Electric-Coin-Company/zcash/wiki/Public-Alpha-Guide

[canth]

Thanks. Is there an official source of info for Zerocash that will be updated on a regular basis? We all read this story in Wired days ago.

https://twitter.com/ZerocoinProject - last tweet was in 2014
http://zerocash-project.org/ - last media update was in early 2015

[tifozi]

Thanks. Is there an official source of info for Zerocash that will be updated on a regular basis? We all read this story in Wired days ago.

https://twitter.com/ZerocoinProject - last tweet was in 2014
http://zerocash-project.org/ - last media update was in early 2015

https://github.com/Electric-Coin-Company/zcash github is a good source. Another way is to follow @zooko on twitter and maybe ask the Electric Coin Company directly.

[TPTB_need_war]

So what is the right approach to "marketing" monero? Scams are always going to win. Backdoored OSes are always going to be more popular. Linus didn't necessarily fight to win. He fought to fight and considered it a genuine marathon. He will win, long after naysayers don't exist in this planet. The metrics by which he "lost" in the short term are not what he fought to begin with, it's inner naiveté of the junta he chose not to exploit.

Satoshi absolutely went wrong with the economics of Bitcoin. I wish we could go back in time and argue with him and amend the economic modalities of Bitcoin.

I've also noticed that Monero has been inserting itself in numerous Wikipedia pages. Here is an example:

Other platforms which refute Zooko's conjecture, include: Twister and Monero OpenAlias.

Monero seems to have not understood that willynilly promotion is useless without a marketing strategy.

I seem to remember that FluffyPony ran down the list of thing Monero wanted achieve marketwise as a complete privacy hub (I'm sure hub is not the word he used), but the point is that private transactions and openalias are parts of a broader design. Judging its marketing based on what's transpired so far is akin to judging Netflix when they were only doing mail order--there's a plan and specific market (those looking for end-to-end privacy solutions), so you are most likely jumping the gun on any pronouncements of failure. 

I will need to stop thinking and writing about Monero because I need to work on my own project and its marketing. I know you in the Monero/Aeon community didn't originally ask me to do this, and I am the one who forcefully interjected my opinions about Monero. So thus let me try to wrap up with one more summary of what I have been suggesting upthread.

It seems to me very likely that fluffypony's market strategy is not well focused on what corporations might want from block chain privacy. I have stated my logic on Zerocash technology upthread and the reasons corporations are IMO more apt to embrace it; whereas, they currently do not embrace public block chains and I've been told that mentioning public block chains is a good way to get ignored by corporations.

I believe a privacy focused block chain should not be in any discussions whatsoever on a daily basis in a speculation forum. What corporations want to be associated with that! Not to mention how it influences what the lead developers think about and are focused on on a daily basis. I see your lead developer smooth of Aeon in these forums constantly talking about exchange market movements. Corporations would want him to be buried away in a lab accomplishing technology quietly and appearing in public to make announcements of milestones and broad technological goals and achievements.

In other words, if you want to be a long-term focused open source project, then you need to be aligned with the interests of long-term oriented corporations as Linux is. And then you need to produce the best technology for them, e.g. probably Zerocash based (contingent on your careful study).

Anonymity for the masses is nonsensical. I had to finally come to that realization myself. Corporations have a real business need to pay for privacy and public block chains promise more interoption and network effects than private databases. Also public block chains means that corporations don't fail when their partner corporation fails. In other words, just like the concept of open source in general, public block chains remove proprietary lockin failure modes. But corporations will not use public block chains if the privacy is not 100% certain. Period.

Sorry to say it probably means mostly restarting from scratch on a new code base. And it means broadening your perspective away from just crypto currency and including distributed databases and the economics thereof. For example in IoT, a parking meter needs to be paid.

It will require a deep rethink away from the delusion that you can build an anonymous coin for general use and you will all get rich over the long-term by buying low and selling high in a speculator market. I have explained upthread why an anonymous coin for general use makes no technological sense and has no markets. In short, the few individuals that would rely on it, would be risking jail time. Corporations don't risk jail time for using privacy on their data (especially if there is a viewkey when needed for regulatory oversight).

That is my gift to your community. Ignore it at your peril.

[Financisto]

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/zcash-an-untraceable-bitcoin-alternative-launches-in-alpha/
https://github.com/Electric-Coin-Company/zcash/wiki/Public-Alpha-Guide

Thank you for those references.

[AngusCanine]

I read an article on Flipboard about Zcash is this different coin than zerocoin?

[xDan]

I read an article on Flipboard about Zcash is this different coin than zerocoin?

It's by the same people, so I assume it's the same thing and going to be the real implementation.

>All of the authors of the Zerocash protocol are on our team, which includes most of the creators of the Zerocoin protocol and zk-SNARKs themselves.

[AngusCanine]

I read an article on Flipboard about Zcash is this different coin than zerocoin?

It's by the same people, so I assume it's the same thing and going to be the real implementation.

>All of the authors of the Zerocash protocol are on our team, which includes most of the creators of the Zerocoin protocol and zk-SNARKs themselves.

Is there a thread on bitcointalk about zcash

[TPTB_need_war]

I read an article on Flipboard about Zcash is this different coin than zerocoin?

It's by the same people, so I assume it's the same thing and going to be the real implementation.

>All of the authors of the Zerocash protocol are on our team, which includes most of the creators of the Zerocoin protocol and zk-SNARKs themselves.

Is there a thread on bitcointalk about zcash

Get the links to some BCT threads here:

https://forum.z.cash/t/fundamental-challenges/39

Also see this new thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1342065.0

[AngusCanine]

I read an article on Flipboard about Zcash is this different coin than zerocoin?

It's by the same people, so I assume it's the same thing and going to be the real implementation.

>All of the authors of the Zerocash protocol are on our team, which includes most of the creators of the Zerocoin protocol and zk-SNARKs themselves.

Is there a thread on bitcointalk about zcash

Get the links to some BCT threads here:

https://forum.z.cash/t/fundamental-challenges/39

Also see this new thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1342065.0

thanks

[fartbags]

Anyone know the basic info such as:

- mining algo
- pools
- link to miner
- coin totals
- premines
- block reward structure
- block time
- PoW or PoS

[ermak3]

New blog post https://z.cash/blog/welcoming-jack-grigg.html