Round 15/16 KnC Jupiter, DZ MC. Please move comments and ?s to this thread. Thx.

[DyslexicZombei]

This is the new combined thread for R15 and R16, for DZ Miners Cooperative Knc Jupiters

We're currently having issues with Worker #3 (out of 4). Crossing fingers that we didn't get shipped a dud...

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[mdude77]

Happy Holidays

Hope to get a better update on the mine farm soon.

Thank you for all the hard work. Don't let us stress you out too much. Times like these I feel,so helpless.

Good Luck

What he said.



M

[madpoet]

We are paying a fairly large amount per machine for the hosting, so I am kind of disapointed we have missed so much hash time so far.  Where do they stand?  What is the timeline?  I am glad bob hired more people since it is obvious he's getting overwhelmed but that isn't going to help us right now.  We haven't had all 4 machines online for any real length of time since they were racked.

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[thomas_s]

Its hard to remote start a miner if it can't connect.

[Mapuo]

And easy to do this manual. Car, bike, taxi...

[thomas_s]

And easy to do this manual. Car, bike, taxi...

I've just talked to bobsag3. Jupiter#3 has been rebooted multiple times from when it went down, there is a possibility there is a problem with the machine itself.

[Mapuo]

No problem, just send #3 back to KNC for replacement. And tell them to post here about that.
I dont believe in words after R9-12 and R15-16 now.

[bobsag3]

It's a little after 10 CST. Yesterday hashing didn't come back until late afternoon.

What I'm hoping for is a progress report on these knc's. What happened? Can it be remotely restarted?

Although these are separate from Redacted's miners his name was mentioned as a remote admin.

I know we're not paying for a 24/7 babysit but if I'm starting to sound like a greasy wheel then I am. Maybe I shouldn't have the DZ R15/16 page as a start screen?

Anyway, glad to see madpoet here. Miss philipma1957.

Now hash away, hash away, hash away all. Merry Christmas.

Of the 6 Nov jupiters I received (4 for the GB 2 personal) 2 of them now have problems. Im thinking it might be a problem with the EVGA 1300w psus I am using... but 4 jupiters are working fine with them.

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[bobsag3]

Of the 6 Nov jupiters I received (4 for the GB 2 personal) 2 of them now have problems. Im thinking it might be a problem with the EVGA 1300w psus I am using... but 4 jupiters are working fine with them.

Thank you for the response. Hope you can get it resolved in house  

I think I got my personal one back running, so I swapped it over to worker 3. Lets see if this works....

EDIT:

Totals (All Active Workers)   2,644.33 GH/s   46,568k (99.69%)

[madpoet]

Great to hear bob.  Hoping it stays smooth for a while

[gh2k]

I think I got my personal one back running, so I swapped it over to worker 3. Lets see if this works....

Thanks for doing that.

Edit: Umm.. I appear to be down for the wrong share count. I had 2 R15 orders, one for 9 shares and one for 6, but on the spreadsheet I'm down for 9 and 2... I've opened a ticket. Resolved, thanks thomas_s.

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[bobsag3]

No problem, just send #3 back to KNC for replacement. And tell them to post here about that.
I dont believe in words after R9-12 and R15-16 now.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqp3n3btawce03a/Photo%20Dec%2012%2C%203%2008%2025%20PM.jpg

Good enough for you?

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[bobsag3]

Nothing like the smell of magic smoke...

Will they mail you the part?

Hopefully isolated and not a design flaw.

For now I swapped it out with my personal nov jupiter, so we will not loose any hash rate, while I RMA the modual. I can't call them today as they are already closed.

[rudyo]

No problem, just send #3 back to KNC for replacement. And tell them to post here about that.
I dont believe in words after R9-12 and R15-16 now.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqp3n3btawce03a/Photo%20Dec%2012%2C%203%2008%2025%20PM.jpg

Good enough for you?

In the words of Ferris Bueller... "that'll buff right out"   

Thanks for all your hard work on getting these hashing, it is very nice to see the BTC revenue increment.

[mdude77]

Nothing like the smell of magic smoke...

Will they mail you the part?

Hopefully isolated and not a design flaw.

For now I swapped it out with my personal nov jupiter, so we will not loose any hash rate, while I RMA the modual. I can't call them today as they are already closed.

kudos to you for taking the hit on your personal side to keep the group running.

M

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[bobsag3]

Looks like 3 crashed again...

Should be up again. Theres something going on with another one of the jupiters, so I have the 4 stable ones on the GB for now.

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[bobsag3]

Thank you for baby sitting these guys. I thought the quality control on the knc's were Better than this. Good job bobsang3

Yeah Im not the happiest camper right now, but ill get around to fixing the other 2 tomorrow. Been a very very long week and I need more sleep.

[BorisAlt]

R15 is going strong. Yeah!

Can some one either say here or post a link that explains how "Net profit per share" is calculated?

Right now it says 0.31, which doesn't make sense to me while revenue per share is 0.01.

Also ROI says 96%.

Thanks! never mind. Was stupid.

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[mdude77]

First I would like to thank bobsang3 again for his generous action of using his own knc miners to keep us hashing 110%. Right after returning from a halfway around the world trip to China he forgone sleep instead to get us mining. He put the most reliable ones on this round and looks like we've been up for about 24 hours. Thank you bobsang3!

Now my proposal.

Looks like by 12/15/13 a payoff date we would have enough to get a S1. To me fees will eat into such a small payment for the GB individual shares and best paid on the next round. How about if we add to our hashing power instead with the mined coins?

Disclaimer I do not have a S1 or anything to do with the Antminer company or personally know anyone affiliated with the company. I am just a crazy miner at heart.

Any comment? I would prefer flames to silence even if you have zero vested in this. I also know what I ask is too short notice but the S1 is in production and probably will still be around couple weeks from now.

Let's prove group 15/16 can make decisions. For or against please post some opinions. Don't care either way too.

This is the second time I'm posting and the first time got zero response. I would like to hear from the coordinators too.

As bobsang3 is about to throw everything except the kitchen sink to help another round just to get them hashing what's wrong with increasing our hashing a bit now using the S1?

Thank you.

I don't know anything about the S1, so I can't provide any input on it.

M

[madpoet]

I have 2 in my basement right now.  Decent machines albeit a little flaky at times.  Easily overclocked to 200Ghz if you keep them cool.  That said, I want the payout in BTC.  I've got a ton tied up in miners, rigs, and GBs lately and need some actual results   At this point the S1s we could order won't ship until Dec 17th at the earliest and that means about a Dec 20th delivery.  That's a week of hashing we lose on them.  And if you look at the calculators they are already going to have a hard time making ROI.

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[railzand]

I'd want to start scraping some btc back from this round, but you're right, transaction fees will be a waste.

There are other great groupbuyers out there who set out from the getgo to reinvest part of the mined btc into new equipment.

Maybe dz could ask us to vote about that kind of model for r17

But I agree: 1. bobsag3 is heroic for letting us use his miner (how do we pay him back?)

2. Bitmain S1 was proven and worth having 2 weeks ago, but not now (so we should watch them for price drops (as if))

I also think dzmc would be a tiny bit stretched just at this minute to introduce new makes of hardware.

[thomas_s]

I'd want to start scraping some btc back from this round, but you're right, transaction fees will be a waste.

There are other great groupbuyers out there who set out from the getgo to reinvest part of the mined btc into new equipment.

Maybe dz could ask us to vote about that kind of model for r17

But I agree: 1. bobsag3 is heroic for letting us use his miner (how do we pay him back?)

2. Bitmain S1 was proven and worth having 2 weeks ago, but not now (so we should watch them for price drops (as if))

I also think dzmc would be a tiny bit stretched just at this minute to introduce new makes of hardware.

If someone can come up with a way we can do a revenue reinvestment like what you are saying we may be able to accommodate it, there are just a few things that need to be remembered.

1) For rounds this is taken in every share holder must put into this fund

2) We must find hardware to purchase for the hashpower

3) The rounds will be billed extra when new hardware arrives to pay for the hosting requirements of the new machine


The current way we allow reinvestment is for you the owners in the round to get your full payout and decide where you want to put that payout, either in another of our rounds (if any are open) or in another GB, or cashing out etc.

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[thomas_s]

Thank you again for the replies. I started this topic to be proactive as I have seen other rounds barely muddle through. In one I couldn't take it any longer and made a suggestion but they were so locked in to a choice as they moved at snail speed in a BTC world.

What I am not interested in is messing this round with tapeoutware. That can be left for other rounds.

I am interested in is adding more power at a lower price point. There are a lot of intelligent guys here that can run numbers and can think out of the box. Sure lots of us are spouting the same old song starting with just buy and hold. If I did that I would be sitting on a huge pot but the only reason why I bought was to mine. Stupid, crazy me. Currently I'm thinking of maximizing this round and also hopefully getting others in this round more proactive.

I see that the desire of this round will be to leave it as is and wait until an Antminer one opens or buy one and have bobsang3 host it. As I said the world moves like snail compared to BTC.

The 4 jupiters are hashing and hope they turn out to be low maintainance. Thank you.

We would be happy to try out a reinvestment program, but at the moment we don't have time to come up with one, if others want to give ideas we are open for it.

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[madpoet]

I've been part of and like reinvestment pools, I just want the cards on the table before we start about how it would be run and everyone buying in needs to buy in the same.  George (KnCMiningOps) has a very successful reinvestment pool.  And I like the Antminers very much (I've bought 4 of them).  But any reinvestment pool needs to be measured against what hardware is likely to be available, potential difficulty levels, etc;

[mdude77]

Thinking about this more, unless there's some incentive to reinvest automatically (a discount?), I don't see why we should do this.  We're all smart enough to be able to reinvest as we need to.

M

[thomas_s]

Payouts are tomorrow, ensure you see your address listed and the proper number of shares. Only notify us if there is a problem.

[BorisAlt]

My first GB payout! So excited.

[madpoet]

Just got what I assume is my payout for this round... I think.  Wasn't expecting anything else

[thomas_s]

Just got what I assume is my payout for this round... I think.  Wasn't expecting anything else

yep 9-12 and 15/16 went out today

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[mdude77]

Nothing here so far. Guess still have to wait for the network to catch up?

From what it seems per share:

0.023380279484962 (payoff) minus 0.003493219954198 (transaction fee) = 0.019887059530772 per share payment?

Thank you

Got mine over 2 hours ago.  But it hasn't confirmed yet. 

M

[madpoet]

Yeah ditto still unconfirmed

[mdude77]

Yeah ditto still unconfirmed

It must have been waiting for me to say something.  It just confirmed.

M

[thomas_s]

Nothing here so far. Guess still have to wait for the network to catch up?

From what it seems per share:

0.023380279484962 (payoff) minus 0.003493219954198 (transaction fee) = 0.019887059530772 per share payment?

Thank you

No your looking at the next payout, some numbers have been put in already but there has been no mined coins so it is showing as a negative payout per share.

0.023380279484962 (payoff) is the price per share for this payout

It could take a while for the transaction to fully process which is usually why I send them later in the night when everyone is sleeping. But 15/16 is showing as included in a block so you should have it now

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[rudyo]

I got mine! 0.023380279484962 per share is correct

I want to thank you for a very successful startup and execution of these R15/R16 buys!  I like that we are making hay before the next difficulty jump in 6 days.  It looks like it will ding the revenue a bit over 20%.

Thanks again! 

[Schwede65]

money received!
thanks for your great work

[DyslexicZombei]

And thanks to everyone that bought into our GBs.

These Group Buys don't succeed without everyone's input, funds, and patience to invest in pre-order miners.

One day, maybe we'll have an industry that truly has lots of stock sitting on shelves with accessible price points, but until then: to get value in mining, Group Buys are the way to go. 

[rudyo]

And thanks to everyone that bought into our GBs.

These Group Buys don't succeed without everyone's input, funds, and patience to invest in pre-order miners.

One day, maybe we'll have an industry that truly has lots of stock sitting on shelves with accessible price points, but until then: to get value in mining, Group Buys are the way to go. 

Well some group buys are the way to go...just been doing some reading on the main forum, suffice it  to say that all is not well in GB land!  I will give you an A for transparency and an A for clarity of your offerings, and an A for professionalism.  Your website is a little bland and a tad slow, so lets call that a B+.   

I'm really glad I chose what I did!


 

[railzand]

I'm really glad I chose what I did!
 

I agree in general terms, but I've got buyer's remorse or the after-party blues or something for these 2 rounds.
I just wish I'd been more on the ball and pulled out when it became clear these Jupiters would arrive later than planned.

[mdude77]

I'm really glad I chose what I did!
 

I agree in general terms, but I've got buyer's remorse or the after-party blues or something for these 2 rounds.
I just wish I'd been more on the ball and pulled out when it became clear these Jupiters would arrive later than planned.

I agree things could be better ... but I think we're still in good shape on this one.  Not so sure about the other buys.  Too much hashpower being added for my taste, not convinced we'll get ROI elsewhere.

M

[railzand]

I'm really glad I chose what I did!
 

I agree in general terms, but I've got buyer's remorse or the after-party blues or something for these 2 rounds.
I just wish I'd been more on the ball and pulled out when it became clear these Jupiters would arrive later than planned.

I agree things could be better ... but I think we're still in good shape on this one.  Not so sure about the other buys.  Too much hashpower being added for my taste, not convinced we'll get ROI elsewhere.

M

True that. Such an arms race.

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[bobsag3]

Merry Christmas everyone on this R15/16. A lot to be thankful for.

Only after a few days we got our first payment. A very tidy amount.

bobsang3 put 4 good working miners on this so they have be hashing trouble free. Read the R5/6 and the R9-12 threads and see what they were/are going through.

These were sold as 550gh but through improvements delivered with 650gh. ~ 2 more gh per share.

I am not sure how long these power supplies will last as i feel they are for gamers vice servers but with with bobsang3's new facilities i'm sure he will be installing long lasting server or comm gear next month.

i've asked Santa to increase our hashing with Antminer S1's but still a wish list.

I've had a lots of doubting thoughts the whole month of waiting. We are very lucky that things have worked well for us. May it continue many months more. If there are any doubts of ROI may those in other rounds be as lucky as us.

Happy Holidays.

I have 1300w psus only pulling ~850 at the wall, so I think we are fine for now.
As for S1s.. I am up for adding capacity. I can get them in bulk right from sushi (if they are in stock) for 4.1BTC each if we buy a decent amount. + the additional hosting cost + extra PSUs.

[madpoet]

I'm fine with it.

[railzand]

Yes let's get a good lot of antminers

[DyslexicZombei]

Well, we listen and if there's enough support, we go out and make it happen.

I started Round 21 for Antminers because I also received some other co-op member requests for Bitmain miners.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375077.0

Cheers!

[railzand]

Worker 1 Hash Rate       719.569 Gh/s
Worker 2 Hash Rate       676.81 Gh/s
Worker 3 Hash Rate       695.136 Gh/s
Worker 4 Hash Rate       656.653 Gh/s
 

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[BorisAlt]

So incredibly quiet in this thread. Most uneventful gb ever. Love it.

[thomas_s]

So incredibly quiet in this thread. Most uneventful gb ever. Love it.

gotta love nothing bad happening right?

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[rudyo]

Oh stuff is happening all right... http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=1192

That is why it is so quiet! 

I check the page every so often and boy do I see the effects of the difficulty change. down quite a bit from when they first started hashing.
We have about another 9 days before it ratchets up again, so it is nice to see them working flawlessly!

Thanks again for a near flawless execution!

[railzand]

So incredibly quiet in this thread. Most uneventful gb ever. Love it.

gotta love nothing bad happening right?

Let's have a party! It's Christmaaaas! Happy Christmas everyone.

Actually let's have a When DZMC Ordered a Petahash Party. Probably whaaat Q3 2014? Something for thomas to whip up in his free time

A big vote of thanks to DZ, thomas, bobsag and the entire team, and onwards and upwards for 2014!

railz

[thomas_s]

Oh stuff is happening all right... http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=1192

That is why it is so quiet! 

I check the page every so often and boy do I see the effects of the difficulty change. down quite a bit from when they first started hashing.
We have about another 9 days before it ratchets up again, so it is nice to see them working flawlessly!

Thanks again for a near flawless execution!

Well good news is according to the chart we did hack out a decent amount of the investment in only a few weeks. While I do hate to see difficulty jump that much it is looking like a good payout.

[thomas_s]

So incredibly quiet in this thread. Most uneventful gb ever. Love it.

gotta love nothing bad happening right?

Let's have a party! It's Christmaaaas! Happy Christmas everyone.

Actually let's have a When DZMC Ordered a Petash Party. Probably whaaat Q3 2014? Something for thomas to whip up in his free time

A big vote of thanks to DZ, thomas, bobsag and the entire team, and onwards and upwards for 2014!

railz

Merry xmas to you also.

Ugh more spreadsheets...and what is this free time you speak of.

[rudyo]

Merry xmas to you also.

Ugh more spreadsheets...and what is this free time you speak of.

More like YEAH more spreadsheets! :-)
We are addicted you know...otherwise why would we be on a Bitcoin forum on Christmas eve??? LOL!!

[Mapuo]

We need to vote - switch to GHash.IO or stay in BTCGuild

Merry Christmas

[BorisAlt]

So incredibly quiet in this thread. Most uneventful gb ever. Love it.

gotta love nothing bad happening right?

Right. An exemplary GB. It takes time and experience to become uneventful. One can appreciate "boring business" after all the drama of other GBs.

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[mdude77]

We need to vote - switch to GHash.IO or stay in BTCGuild

Merry Christmas

BTC Guild.  I've never heard good things about GHash.IO, and BTC Guild rules.

M

[BorisAlt]

We need to vote - switch to GHash.IO or stay in BTCGuild

Merry Christmas

BTC Guild.  I've never heard good things about GHash.IO, and BTC Guild rules.

M

You do not need to hear, numbers talk: https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs If GHash.IO is the new king of the hill and BTC Guild is in decline, then I would like to know why we WOULD NOT switch. If we are going for an underdog, then why not Eligius or Slush?

[mdude77]

We need to vote - switch to GHash.IO or stay in BTCGuild

Merry Christmas

BTC Guild.  I've never heard good things about GHash.IO, and BTC Guild rules.

M

You do not need to hear, numbers talk: https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs If GHash.IO is the new king of the hill and BTC Guild is in decline, then I would like to know why we WOULD NOT switch. If we are going for an underdog, then why not Eligius or Slush?

This is what I've heard:

1 - GHash.IO hashrate is largely internally generated.
2 - Their customer service is awful.

BTC Guild is at 2.4PH right now and increasing.  I'm not sure how it could be "in decline".

M

[Mapuo]

BTC Guild is at 2.4PH right now and increasing.  I'm not sure how it could be "in decline".

M

GHash.io is at 3.2 Ph/s and increasing. Without fee and merget NMC + IXC and DVC.

[BorisAlt]

This is what I've heard:

1 - GHash.IO hashrate is largely internally generated.
2 - Their customer service is awful.

BTC Guild is at 2.4PH right now and increasing.  I'm not sure how it could be "in decline".

M

1. What should we care if the fees are 0.0% and we get a very stable payout?
2. When they start to suck, we will switch to the next king of the hill. Why would you want to waste your time on customer support? Slush and Eligius have been great from customer support stand point but their share has been lagging for one reason or another.

EVERYONE's hash is going up, BTC Guild has been falling as a ratio to the total pie. That's just a simple fact.

Also, I pulled ALL my hosted (virtual) shares from CEX/GHash.IO because I BELIEVE their share price are going to go down due to the huge influx of new hardware in the pipeline. But this still does not change the fact that they provide most stable payout at this time.

I do not care much which pool we would use, with Eligius being my preferred pool because of the great website and available stats. I point all my meager GHash's at home to their pool.

[DyslexicZombei]

Hey guys just wanted to add that I am glad to offer you gals and guys a drama free sales outlet and miner host. 

Merry Christmas everyone! If you celebrate or don't celebrate this holiday, my toast of good cheers to you and yours is still the same. I'm thankful for our customers and I'm thankful for you co-op members that have helped make this co-op the success it is today by helping us improve things over time and helping one another out with knowledge. 5 months ago I had no idea I'd form the biggest public co-op in the world for BTC mining.

It's an honor to be the founder and co-leader of a co-op full of so many like minded miners, and I'm both humbled by our success and very thankful to have met my co-leaders, which has resulted in round after round of world class values, and a crypto umbrella company founded upon the core of the DZ MC (with the co-op shielded as a sub-company).

Here's to a successful 2014!

[railzand]

no sexyo thanks we're british

and they did a bad thing

[BorisAlt]

Hey guys just wanted to add that I am glad to offer you gals and guys a drama free sales outlet and miner host. 

Merry Christmas everyone! If you celebrate or don't celebrate this holiday, my toast of good cheers to you and yours is still the same. I'm thankful for our customers and I'm thankful for you co-op members that have helped make this co-op the success it is today by helping us improve things over time and helping one another out with knowledge. 5 months ago I had no idea I'd form the biggest public co-op in the world for BTC mining.

It's an honor to be the founder and co-leader of a co-op full of so many like minded miners, and I'm both humbled by our success and very thankful to have met my co-leaders, which has resulted in round after round of world class values, and a crypto umbrella company founded upon the core of the DZ MC (with the co-op shielded as a sub-company).

Here's to a successful 2014!

Cheers! And looking for R17 and beyond!

[mdude77]

This is what I've heard:

1 - GHash.IO hashrate is largely internally generated.
2 - Their customer service is awful.

BTC Guild is at 2.4PH right now and increasing.  I'm not sure how it could be "in decline".

M

1. What should we care if the fees are 0.0% and we get a very stable payout?
2. When they start to suck, we will switch to the next king of the hill. Why would you want to waste your time on customer support? Slush and Eligius have been great from customer support stand point but their share has been lagging for one reason or another.

I'm not sure it's a stable payout.  Remember you get what you pay for.

M

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[mdude77]

When we started btcguild had a great run of luck. Luck has been down someone according to our daily payout. Was wondering when this thread would light up again due to the lower payout?

Luck always varies, even with a pool as big as BTC Guild.  I don't see anyone complaining when luck is in our favor.   It all evens out in the end.  BTCG proved it can withstand a sustained DDOS.  The op has his act together.  There's a reason it's the biggest public pool by far.

M

[thomas_s]

When we started btcguild had a great run of luck. Luck has been down someone according to our daily payout. Was wondering when this thread would light up again due to the lower payout?

We have 4 solid miners hashing for us. Half could go to btcguild and the other to ghash to even out the luck. Together they have what? 2/3's of the payouts?

I'm only wary about hashing with ones that can't handle a DDoS attack. I've been with bitminter when they got attacked and 50btc too.

Waiting to hear from bobsang3 as I feel he is the manager of the equipment. Anyway, good to hear a discussion coming out of this group feeling each other out. This is a minor issue but good to test the waters before a major one. I for one don't like to keep all my eggs in one basket but at the same time am not hashing personally so can't make a comment on a "better" pool to use.

After looking back on the past 200 hours it looks like for the most part its been fairly stable on the luck side of it (sometimes 20 found blocks sometimes 9-10), the dip in daily payout is more than likely caused by the difficulty increase over pool luck.

[philipma1957]

  As a non-member to this buy and as a user of cex.io for my private miners.  I would think the btcguild  is pretty close to equal.   

   I roll my money out of cex.io quickly as they make me nervous. I could say a few bad stories about cex.io  btcguild and bitminter.  and frankly they are all pretty good.  but they are all flawed. one way or another. 

 If I had a really big in home rig I would use  btcguild.

[BorisAlt]

All workers show ZERO?

[railzand]

All workers show ZERO?

aaargh yes still zero

WAKE UP BOB no rest for the wicked


edit: wait, perhaps it's the big move, remember we broke dzmc facility #1 what with all our buying .1 P/hs

[thomas_s]

All workers show ZERO?

aaargh yes still zero

WAKE UP BOB no rest for the wicked


edit: wait, perhaps it's the big move, remember we broke dzmc facility #1 what with all our buying .1 P/hs

We forgot to post in this thread because its been so smooth lol

Yes the move is happening all miners are offline until they get to the new facility. Should be sometime tomorrow.

[railzand]

Was just gonna quote you from another round's thread.

Good luck with the move. May the smooth continue.

[BorisAlt]

OK, thanks.

[madpoet]

Bleh... a full day's hashing?  Damn

[bobsag3]

Bleh... a full day's hashing?  Damn

\Should be less. we are about 40miles out, and everything should not take that long to setup again.

[rudyo]

Bleh... a full day's hashing?  Damn

My thoughts exactly!
I don't want to be overly critical since the execution so far has been great (other than a little rocky at the start...), but couldn't this have been planned to avoid so much downtime, particularly when a difficulty increase is looming in less than 2 days?  That time at the lower difficulty will never be recovered.

I know several of you are IT professionals, I'm also in that line of work and have moved quite a number of critical systems over the years.  It does take critical planning and execution to say the least.  Also the key to any system being down is communication and maybe I missed seeing it, but I wasn't even aware that a move was planned.  

How far apart are the 2 facilities?  

Please keep us posted.  It hurts every shareholder equally, but I hold a bunch of them!

[railzand]

http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=1192

[thomas_s]

Bleh... a full day's hashing?  Damn

My thoughts exactly!
I don't want to be overly critical since the execution so far has been great (other than a little rocky at the start...), but couldn't this have been planned to avoid so much downtime, particularly when a difficulty increase is looming in less than 2 days?  That time at the lower difficulty will never be recovered.

I know several of you are IT professionals, I'm also in that line of work and have moved quite a number of critical systems over the years.  It does take critical planning and execution to say the least.  Also the key to any system being down is communication and maybe I missed seeing it, but I wasn't even aware that a move was planned.  

How far apart are the 2 facilities?  

Please keep us posted.  It hurts every shareholder equally, but I hold a bunch of them!

We are moving to a more stable location which can handle many more machines including the ones that are currently running, as well we will also have a better staff (more) for the new location to ensure uptime.

[rudyo]

What is the current estimated time to turn them back on?

Thanks

[sf2]

 

[thomas_s]

I think the point was that these four miners were hashing without problem have now been moved to a new facility with unknown history. Unlike the other rounds that had burned out power strips and other problems with a lot to gain this one has a lot to lose.

I hope that nothing was damaged in the move and guys be safe on the roads and hooking things up.

Now that the DZ CoOp has moved to a professional site i believe people start to expect a more professional approach of keeping the threads updated with what is going on. I really hope that the new site has been tested out completely and personal are hooking miners up as i type.

Happy New Year.

Miners are begining to come up, Miner Hosting LLC has moved to a more professional / larger site, DZMC is a separate entity which uses Miner Hosting LLC, just because some of the people who run DZMC are employee's of Miner Hosting doesn't change much.


There will be more posts / updates (when needed), from my understanding the power company has a guaranteed uptime for the location. As for the testing I believe the toilet needs to be fixed =) but that doesn't affect mining that much.

[sf2]

 

[madpoet]

Sigh... I hate downtime. Payouts tomorrow?

[rudyo]

As for the testing I believe the toilet needs to be fixed =) but that doesn't affect mining that much.

http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=1192

Maybe the toilet leak got worse and you had to recruit all the miners to fix it, or are they partying tonight?  ;-)

They sure as heck aren't mining!!!        

Is there ANY good reason why they could not have continued hashing happily at the old facility until the new one was actually ready???

[sf2]

 

[rudyo]

At least this one is slowly gaining traction: http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=302

He must not have known anything about a leaky toilet...so went back to mining. 

[BorisAlt]

Second worker is hashing! Now #1 and #4 are back in business.

[sf2]

 

[madpoet]

Why are 2 still down?  It's been a long time here

[Mapuo]

we have not voted for a change of hosting, which it has decided willfully must compensate us for downtime

[BorisAlt]

All workers are down now

[rudyo]

Getting close to 48 hours of downtime!  The difficulty change will happen in just a few hours making it even harder to catch up.
I am not quite sure how a short move to a new data center can take 48 hours!  Very frustrating!

As far as keeping us informed???...the silence in here is deafening.  :-(

[madpoet]

Just got our payout which is nice, but the downtime here is stunning.  Seriously, what's going on!  I know site failover can be tough but the new site should have been fully prep'd and ready to go.  We should have been talking hours, not days. 

[thomas_s]

Just got our payout which is nice, but the downtime here is stunning.  Seriously, what's going on!  I know site failover can be tough but the new site should have been fully prep'd and ready to go.  We should have been talking hours, not days. 

I know the move is becoming a PITA but unfortunately there was no choice, we no longer could stay in MO, the reason for no vote is because it was a mandatory move. There were three options.

1) Do nothing and 0 mining
2) Move (and get mining ASAP)
3) Find another host (And pay a decent amount more)

We can't say what compensation will be until the downtime is over. Remeber two things with the DZMC and other GB's has any other GB provided compensation for downtime in anyway? and do they charge much more for maintenance fee's, price of purchasing shares, and hosting?

From what I've seen in GB's I'm part of and others that I just read.
No, yes, yes,yes.

I've had GB's where the miners were down for a day or two no compensation but sorry power outage, 2-3% fee, ~10% more to purchase the shares than original price and power costs about double what they are here.

[rudyo]

Just got our payout which is nice, but the downtime here is stunning.  Seriously, what's going on!  I know site failover can be tough but the new site should have been fully prep'd and ready to go.  We should have been talking hours, not days. 

I know the move is becoming a PITA but unfortunately there was no choice, we no longer could stay in MO, the reason for no vote is because it was a mandatory move. There were three options.

1) Do nothing and 0 mining
2) Move (and get mining ASAP)
3) Find another host (And pay a decent amount more)

We can't say what compensation will be until the downtime is over. Remeber two things with the DZMC and other GB's has any other GB provided compensation for downtime in anyway? and do they charge much more for maintenance fee's, price of purchasing shares, and hosting?

From what I've seen in GB's I'm part of and others that I just read.
No, yes, yes,yes.

I've had GB's where the miners were down for a day or two no compensation but sorry power outage, 2-3% fee, ~10% more to purchase the shares than original price and power costs about double what they are here.

It is good to hear these things, but why could we not have been told this beforehand?  Why could you not stay in "MO" any longer?  I assume you mean Missouri?

If you are going to compensate for any downtime past a certain period, for example 12 hours, wouldn't it have been worth it to be proactive and send a message prior to the move outlining the reasons and offering compensation past a certain time period?   Communication is key and I'm sure such a message would reduce the angst and wondering. 

Do you have a new ETA when they will be live?  I look forward to see them hashing.

[thomas_s]

Just got our payout which is nice, but the downtime here is stunning.  Seriously, what's going on!  I know site failover can be tough but the new site should have been fully prep'd and ready to go.  We should have been talking hours, not days. 

I know the move is becoming a PITA but unfortunately there was no choice, we no longer could stay in MO, the reason for no vote is because it was a mandatory move. There were three options.

1) Do nothing and 0 mining
2) Move (and get mining ASAP)
3) Find another host (And pay a decent amount more)

We can't say what compensation will be until the downtime is over. Remeber two things with the DZMC and other GB's has any other GB provided compensation for downtime in anyway? and do they charge much more for maintenance fee's, price of purchasing shares, and hosting?

From what I've seen in GB's I'm part of and others that I just read.
No, yes, yes,yes.

I've had GB's where the miners were down for a day or two no compensation but sorry power outage, 2-3% fee, ~10% more to purchase the shares than original price and power costs about double what they are here.

It is good to hear these things, but why could we not have been told this beforehand?  Why could you not stay in "MO" any longer?  I assume you mean Missouri?

If you are going to compensate for any downtime past a certain period, for example 12 hours, wouldn't it have been worth it to be proactive and send a message prior to the move outlining the reasons and offering compensation past a certain time period?   Communication is key and I'm sure such a message would reduce the angst and wondering. 

Do you have a new ETA when they will be live?  I look forward to see them hashing.

They were up for a while but are now down, not sure exact ETA.

We did mention that we were moving the easiest way for us to communicate with the amount of people we have is by our newsletter this was sent out at the middle of December. The move was originally scheduled for tomorrow but had to happen early.

http://us3.campaign-archive1.com/?u=52786e4bcd629c427c2e4a0cf&id=f37437bf0a&e=[UNIQID]

There is another newsletter going out sometime in the next few days as well so if your not signed up and want to be head over to the website and fill out the form on the right side of any of the pages.

[sf2]

 

[rudyo]

Were our 4 rigs hacked? Is that the reason for the change in the move date?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392166.0

[Tiennou74]

The dividend was sent from which address?
1F8x3DPBcNgdhd6KFABKLgjhsaiubNnUhi?

It would be great to post a little message after each div release because I report them on excel and since i'm in different GB it is hard to know which one is which.

Thanks

[thomas_s]

The dividend was sent from which address?
1F8x3DPBcNgdhd6KFABKLgjhsaiubNnUhi?

It would be great to post a little message after each div release because I report them on excel and since i'm in different GB it is hard to know which one is which.

Thanks

I send dividends from this address

148XTAJwjLCyUifimiPfPagzYuCoWikDAA

This was the txid for this round c1c51651e4a82afb396f9c6a976a241b3bf0d39b3903935e9c59365d062fc52e

[Tiennou74]

Thanks

[Mapuo]

Worker 1 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 2 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 3 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 4 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s

Whats going on?
Clear answer, PLEASE!

[BorisAlt]

It's REALLY frustrating, but I am sure the crew is doing ALL they can.

[sf2]

 

[gh2k]

There is supposed to be a very bad snow storm in Missouri up to Maine. Bobsag3 hasn't posted since the 31st.

At least r9-12 is still going

I had an email from him (or someone else at minersource) this morning. As others have stated though, I'm sure he's doing everything possible to get our stuff back online asap. I'm also fairly sure he has a day job and may not be able to devote 100% of his time to the coop. I'd like more comms, but I'd like the units back online more, and if time is going to be spent somewhere, I'd rather it were on the latter.

Having said that, I do hope that we get a writeup of what went wrong once the units are back online, or an ETA if the downtime is going to be significantly longer.

[madpoet]

And having said that, part of the attraction of this GB is the professional hosting and management that we pay for.  It seems like something has gone vastly wrong here and we don't know what or why.

[mdude77]

And having said that, part of the attraction of this GB is the professional hosting and management that we pay for.  It seems like something has gone vastly wrong here and we don't know what or why.

It's possible the readout is wrong.

M

[BorisAlt]

I am pretty sure it's my fault.

I stated three days ago that this GB was too boring and uneventful. Now everybody has to pay for it

Sorry people. It now looks like there is plenty of excitement going on. I wish the DZMC speedy recovery and our hashes coming back on line soon.

The good news is that one of the other GBs one worker is hashing, I just checked. This means things are somewhat working at some degree at the new facility.

[DyslexicZombei]

And having said that, part of the attraction of this GB is the professional hosting and management that we pay for.  It seems like something has gone vastly wrong here and we don't know what or why.

There were some serious setup issues with the Comcast connection. This 500Mbps connection is still not setup. The backup connection may be having an issue.

R9-12 is up at the moment, so hopefully it's a reporting issue instead of something more serious with the network or the miners. I know bobsag3 is also sick, besides dealing with a move in a snowstorm. I reached out to him to alert him.

Also: from what I understand, anyone that was hashing with the DZ MC and lost hashrate will be compensated for 50% hosting for this month due to downtime from the move.

[mdude77]

R9-12 is up at the moment, so hopefully it's a reporting issue instead of something more serious with the network or the miners. I know bobsag3 is also sick, besides dealing with a move in a snowstorm. I reached out to him to alert him.

Mixed blessing this winter.  I'm back into GPU mining (scrypt) and they are loving the cold weather in the basement with a fan blowing cold air in.  People are concerned about their r9's running in the 90s?  Mine don't top 70.  No way AC can top this cooling. 

Also: from what I understand, anyone that was hashing with the DZ MC and lost hashrate will be compensated for 50% hosting for this month due to downtime from the move.

Good to know.

M

[gh2k]

It's possible the readout is wrong.

No, I don't think so. No payments to the pool payout address.

[madpoet]

1 of the 4 online.  This is just nuts.  I do this for a living and would be fired if I left my clients down like this. 

[bobsag3]

Updates really quick:

We have now moved from our 2k facility, to a brand new 7k facility.

Reasons for delays in getting hash rate up:
-No power till wednesday, due to storms and holiday
-New facility STILL does not have internet, have been using 4G LTE backup until ISP finishes install
-One of the existing breaker boxes in the facility blew completely the first night, electricians are now replacing and massively upgrading the power and cooling here as I type this
-Delays in parts, the storms + 2 holidays caused ~50% of my parts for setup to be delayed, massively increasing my time needed to get things up and running
- Half of the jupiters stopped working from unplug-repluf in 14 hours later. Every single Antminer I have, as well as the avalons and BF had no problems, but I now have ~8 jupiters to diagnose.

As of now, R15/16_2 and R15/16_4 are running at full speed, with the next 2 being worked on right now.

I am very sorry for all of this lost hash rate, but I have done everything within my limited power to get this stuff up and running ASAP. I still don't have a bed, or internet at my apartment, so even communication has been difficult. I expect to have everything up and running 100% by the end of tomorrow, if not by sunday.

Also if I get one more fucking 502 error while trying to post ill kill something.

[BorisAlt]

1 of the 4 online.  This is just nuts.  I do this for a living and would be fired if I left my clients down like this. 

Perhaps I can help you out. I would take 2 of your shares at 0.2 each if you wanted to get out.

[Ridicuss]

1 of the 4 online.  This is just nuts.  I do this for a living and would be fired if I left my clients down like this.  

I understand your thinking here and none of us want any hashrate lower than what was purchased. My take on this is, Minersource was forced into a situation where a panic move was instituted. Now throw bad weather and Comcast not being up to snuff into the mix. Then get sick. I don’t envy Bobsag3 at all at the moment. Don’t think for a moment he doesn’t have to deal with getting this all up and running while being sick as well as having to deal with clients that have personal gear hosted with him slowing the process down. I have gear hosted by Bobsag3 and he has never let me down.

This is a bit painful as I also am a groupbuy participant (not this one) and half the hash-rate of my personal farm is with bobsag3. I guess what I am trying to say is feel your pain but I think we need to give a guy a break here. I am sure if all of the problems (whatever they may be ) were in his control, The whole damn mess would be running just fine. I believe they (Minersource) are doing everything they can and us being upset over it isnt helping. I would venture to say that nobody is more upset than Bobsag3 at the moment. There is nothing wrong with people voicing concern on this thread and people do deserve to be heard from. I am not trying to discount anyone’s feelings here just want to say its not an ideal situation for anyone of us including Bobsag3.

I have not tried to get ahold of Minersource because I believe they know what the problems are and me reaching out and saying WTF, isnt going to help anybody.

If I put myself in Bobsag3’s shoes My stress level would be a whole lot higher trying to make everyone happy than it is now just being a customer.  

Edit-------------And there you have it. While I was typing this and geting 502 errors myself the Man makes a post!

Thanks for the update bobsag3!

[rudyo]

I guess I don't understand why we were "forced" to move?  What does that mean? Was the original hosting facility day to day, or in someones garage or storage unit? 

It is pretty clear from what Bob posted that the new facility is far from being ready to move in to.  Pretty hard to be moving in when there isn't power, bandwidth isn't installed yet, other parts are missing.  Not very prudent to have everything scheduled for Friday install (power turned on, bandwidth installed, networking installed) and then to move in Friday afternoon.  You are just asking for trouble.

On another note, what kind of bandwidth connection is being installed by Comcast, fiber I presume?  Does Comcast even do fiber? They can barely do coax cable TV where I live! :-)

[thomas_s]

I guess I don't understand why we were "forced" to move?  What does that mean? Was the original hosting facility day to day, or in someones garage or storage unit? 

It is pretty clear from what Bob posted that the new facility is far from being ready to move in to.  Pretty hard to be moving in when there isn't power, bandwidth isn't installed yet, other parts are missing.  Not very prudent to have everything scheduled for Friday install (power turned on, bandwidth installed, networking installed) and then to move in Friday afternoon.  You are just asking for trouble.

On another note, what kind of bandwidth connection is being installed by Comcast, fiber I presume?  Does Comcast even do fiber? They can barely do coax cable TV where I live! :-)

If you re-read bobs post you would notice all this was planned to be done earlier, but because of unforeseen circumstances were delayed. We had to leave the other as the lease was up simple as that plan was to move beginning of January but to travel in a snowstorm that was going to hit then was far worse of a risk then to move a few days earlier and have the installers come early.

[gh2k]

On another note, what kind of bandwidth connection is being installed by Comcast, fiber I presume?  Does Comcast even do fiber? They can barely do coax cable TV where I live! :-)

You probably want to look at their business site, not the consumer-facing one:
http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network

Thanks for the update, bobsag3. Hope everything gets sorted soon.

[rudyo]

On another note, what kind of bandwidth connection is being installed by Comcast, fiber I presume?  Does Comcast even do fiber? They can barely do coax cable TV where I live! :-)

You probably want to look at their business site, not the consumer-facing one:
http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network

Thanks for the update, bobsag3. Hope everything gets sorted soon.

After this ringing endorsement? Nah I'll pass...

[bobsag3]

On another note, what kind of bandwidth connection is being installed by Comcast, fiber I presume?  Does Comcast even do fiber? They can barely do coax cable TV where I live! :-)

You probably want to look at their business site, not the consumer-facing one:
http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network

Thanks for the update, bobsag3. Hope everything gets sorted soon.

We now have the comcast connection live (they came in this morning), we have cable for now while they run the fiber.
Power is being installed tonight/tomorrow, so everything will be up and running tomorrow afternoon.

[Mapuo]

Epic FAIL 

[nicksmith]

On another note, what kind of bandwidth connection is being installed by Comcast, fiber I presume?  Does Comcast even do fiber? They can barely do coax cable TV where I live! :-)

You probably want to look at their business site, not the consumer-facing one:
http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network

Thanks for the update, bobsag3. Hope everything gets sorted soon.

We now have the comcast connection live (they came in this morning), we have cable for now while they run the fiber.
Power is being installed tonight/tomorrow, so everything will be up and running tomorrow afternoon.

can we get an update, this did not seem to happen

[gh2k]

We now have the comcast connection live (they came in this morning), we have cable for now while they run the fiber.
Power is being installed tonight/tomorrow, so everything will be up and running tomorrow afternoon.

can we get an update, this did not seem to happen

I think it probably did, as we have 50% of the miners hashing, and have had for a while. I suspect the current problems are related to:

- Half of the jupiters stopped working from unplug-repluf in 14 hours later. Every single Antminer I have, as well as the avalons and BF had no problems, but I now have ~8 jupiters to diagnose.

Having never seen one of these devices, I wouldn't know what the issues are beyond that.

[BorisAlt]

A bunch of us are sad sad pandas 

It's painful to see how a 'make-ROI' endeavor disappears in the cruel fog of the bitcoin arms race. I hope we are all going to be much happier when we wake up on Jan 5, with all four workers happily hashing.

[Clayce]

A bunch of us are sad sad pandas 

It's painful to see how a 'make-ROI' endeavor disappears in the cruel fog of the bitcoin arms race. I hope we are all going to be much happier when we wake up on Jan 5, with all four workers happily hashing.

Tell me about it...

[sf2]

 

[gh2k]

Well, it's currently showing positive ROI in USD which is something at least! 

Still only 2 miners though. 

Hopefully we'll get some more info today

[BorisAlt]

We just ROId! 💲🔝🚀

[sf2]

 

[thomas_s]

Half a coin a day is better than no coin 

Workers 1 & 4 have been hashing solidly so could say don't have to worry about them. Workers 2 & 3 were solid too. What happened to them? Are they all showing the same symptoms?

It sounds like the hosting facility is online with electrical and Internet operational. This leaves only the miners to be taken care of.

I can't speak for others but I would prefer a specific report for the last two miners. I am not interested in promises for half off hosting fees which would only make it more expensive for the following rounds or getting paid off as R9-12 which sounds Madoff.

The specific report is jupiters aren't being detected on the network, the ip addresses cannot be found.

[mdude77]

Half a coin a day is better than no coin 

Workers 1 & 4 have been hashing solidly so could say don't have to worry about them. Workers 2 & 3 were solid too. What happened to them? Are they all showing the same symptoms?

It sounds like the hosting facility is online with electrical and Internet operational. This leaves only the miners to be taken care of.

I can't speak for others but I would prefer a specific report for the last two miners. I am not interested in promises for half off hosting fees which would only make it more expensive for the following rounds or getting paid off as R9-12 which sounds Madoff.

The specific report is jupiters aren't being detected on the network, the ip addresses cannot be found.

I'm sure this has already been looked at... but it case it hasn't...

Does that mean damaged hardware?  Or bad network ports/cabling?  If you put #2 in a known good port, does it work?  More info would be lovely at this point.

M

[bobsag3]

I have 1-2-4 running, still not 100% sure what is up with #3, I figured out the problems with R5/1 and/2 and the others, still working on _3.

[sf2]

 

[bobsag3]

All 4 are now up and running. Just took more reboots.

[BorisAlt]

All 4 are now up and running. Just took more reboots.

I believed in this team! Thank you.

[gh2k]

All 4 are now up and running. Just took more reboots.

Thanks!

[sf2]

 

[sf2]

 

[Mapuo]

Hahahahaq its funny.
Lets ops talking.
And btw - no more dz.

[thomas_s]

Worker #2 seems to be back at zero 

Please stop F5ing, one the monitor program doesn't always broadcast the proper data, two it only updates every 10 minutes so if the miner goes down or slows down for a minute and that minute was when the monitor last updated it will stay like that for another 9 minutes.

On another note we do have other things we need to get done than post a second by second breakdown of what's going on, there are a ton of threads to update and a limited amount of time to update. From a post of bobsag3 a new breaker is being installed and miners are being moved onto it.

[BorisAlt]

Worker 2 is not working. My F5 voodoo is strong 😂

[nicksmith]

On another note we do have other things we need to get done than post a second by second breakdown of what's going on, there are a ton of threads to update and a limited amount of time to update. From a post of bobsag3 a new breaker is being installed and miners are being moved onto it.

Maybe a blog, twitter, facebook where you do some updates? Its hard for your coop members also to not know what's up or what thread to look at and sometimes miss the thread updates from you if others have posted a lot.

[BorisAlt]

I would venture to guess that worker 2 is dead. Either that or my F5 voodoo is failing.

[gh2k]

Maybe a blog, twitter, facebook where you do some updates? Its hard for your coop members also to not know what's up or what thread to look at and sometimes miss the thread updates from you if others have posted a lot.

+1 for twitter. You need a broadcast mechanism to avoid having to update so many individual threads. Someone would be bound to read it and update the thread they're interested in if the info hasn't already been posted there.

[thomas_s]

I would venture to guess that worker 2 is dead. Either that or my F5 voodoo is failing.

Its the breaker that's being installed, power needs to be split up as to not blow everything.

[BorisAlt]

Workers 3 and 4 are hashing !

[gh2k]

Just worker 4 now. Hopefully this means things are being worked on, and not just that our boxes are really flaky.

[sf2]

 

[sf2]

 

[thomas_s]

Before anyone says anything.

Worker 2 is not working, its something knc needs to fix so until they get back to the email it won't be online.

[BorisAlt]

Worker 4 was on 485 for many hours. Is it also a HW issue?

[thomas_s]

Worker 4 was on 485 for many hours. Is it also a HW issue?

1's been fine for the most part
2 has a hardware issue where it just doesn't want to turn on and stay on
3 has something on the board loose where if it gets nudged it could crash
4 randomly reboots

[gh2k]

Thanks for the update.

It's a shame that the hardware is flaky. Is this typical of knc hardware? What's their RMA process like?

[sf2]

 

[BorisAlt]

Should we ALL write to KnC to ask to fix our worker and demand refund? What's the plan?

[railzand]

Should we ALL write to KnC to ask to fix our worker and demand refund? What's the plan?

Beginning to focus all my spite on a certain Swedish company. They should either send us the btc or a few of the rumoured new jupes

[BorisAlt]

#2 failed on January 6th. I wonder if we are in a LONG queue to get answers from KnC? Was it sent back?

[gh2k]

#2 failed on January 6th. I wonder if we are in a LONG queue to get answers from KnC? Was it sent back?

Yep, any news? There should have at least been an email by now?

[sf2]

 

[BorisAlt]

One week with 70% capacity. I would like to know answers. Thanks.

[bobsag3]

The average reply time for KnC is 48-36 hours... plus all the needles bulshit they make me do again to test it... means it can take weeks before I even get an RMA number. This is not my first time around the block with having to RMA modules.

EDIT: After god knows how many reboots and me cursing at it, it seems to have come back to life.

[sf2]

 

[BorisAlt]

#2 is Up!

[DyslexicZombei]

DZ says they're #1 on his list.

Oh, I updated my ratings a few days later once I learned how bad the problems were:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403459.msg4437950#msg4437950

I had to move them down to #3 with this new info. I reserve the right to admit I'm wrong or to update things as needed.

Bitmain. FTW! 

[BorisAlt]

I have a suggestion: don't touch them! They seem to be working fine now. We are almost at 50% ROI. Are you planning to move to another facility  ? I understand that's a crazy question, but I wasn't aware about previous move, so I don't know what questions I should ask.

[smooth]

Was there supposed to be a payout at the end of december? I got one in mid december and now another one in mid jan but nothing at the end of december.

[Tiennou74]

Is this the transaction for the dividend 40432e38a774cc12132fab765228da9d2a3014f25c091e6a45b1c4b35c36c445 ?

[DyslexicZombei]

I believe that it is the Tx ID, but Thomas would have to confirm.

Here's some additional info from a PM from someone asking if there would be additional compensation for under performance on R15/16 and the move cross country:

"bobsag3 says they were only down for 48 hours even while doing the move through Winter storm Hercules. He says that is all the compensation for the move because he's giving a 25% discount on miner hosting when the miners were down 48 hours or 6% of the month for the move, and the rest of the problems have been hardware related with the miners from KnC. He doesn't feel that he's responsible for guaranteeing hashrate from faulty or badly performing hardware, esp. when they're from what are nearly universally considered one of the top ASIC manufacturers.

I don't know if you caught the updates but we've had issues with every single KnC miner (6 B1 and 6 B2 Jupiters) hosted by the co-op and Miner Hosting LLC's hosting customers:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg4401660#msg4401660

I had updated my own opinions/reviews on the various ASIC mfgs with this new info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403459.msg4437950#msg4437950

Not sure what else to tell you but that we *all* lost the same hashrate alongside with you because co-op leaders have our own shares in various amounts in this too, which is typical of these GBs. bobsag3 is so sick of these Jupiters that he's willing to let other miner hosts host these miners, if they want to take over the hosting.

...

Regards,
DZ"

[bobsag3]

I believe that it is the Tx ID, but Thomas would have to confirm.

Here's some additional info from a PM from someone asking if there would be additional compensation for under performance on R15/16 and the move cross country:

"bobsag3 says they were only down for 48 hours even while doing the move through Winter storm Hercules. He says that is all the compensation for the move because he's giving a 25% discount on miner hosting when the miners were down 48 hours or 6% of the month for the move, and the rest of the problems have been hardware related with the miners from KnC. He doesn't feel that he's responsible for guaranteeing hashrate from faulty or badly performing hardware, esp. when they're from what are nearly universally considered one of the top ASIC manufacturers.

I don't know if you caught the updates but we've had issues with every single KnC miner (6 B1 and 6 B2 Jupiters) hosted by the co-op and Miner Hosting LLC's hosting customers:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg4401660#msg4401660

I had updated my own opinions/reviews on the various ASIC mfgs with this new info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403459.msg4437950#msg4437950

Not sure what else to tell you but that we *all* lost the same hashrate alongside with you because co-op leaders have our own shares in various amounts in this too, which is typical of these GBs. bobsag3 is so sick of these Jupiters that he's willing to let other miner hosts host these miners, if they want to take over the hosting.

...

Regards,
DZ"

Pretty much this. I may look into some other compensation a little later on, but this is all for now. I do apologize, but we have been working 14+ hr days for weeks now.

[BorisAlt]

I believe that it is the Tx ID, but Thomas would have to confirm.

Here's some additional info from a PM from someone asking if there would be additional compensation for under performance on R15/16 and the move cross country:

"bobsag3 says they were only down for 48 hours even while doing the move through Winter storm Hercules.

48 hours? Are we in some sort of reality distortion field? It was way more than 48 hours, otherwise my payout would not be cut by 70% between two payments. I understand this is a risky business and people may get sick of whatever job they are doing, but saying these completely off the wall numbers is a bit disheartening. I do not ask for any compensation, but please don't let anyone say stupid shit like that. We were all here and this thread is a witness. I wish DZ MC a speedy recovery and successful future GBs since I am vested in them. Thanks.

[thomas_s]

I believe that it is the Tx ID, but Thomas would have to confirm.

Here's some additional info from a PM from someone asking if there would be additional compensation for under performance on R15/16 and the move cross country:

"bobsag3 says they were only down for 48 hours even while doing the move through Winter storm Hercules.

48 hours? Are we in some sort of reality distortion field? It was way more than 48 hours, otherwise my payout would not be cut by 70% between two payments. I understand this is a risky business and people may get sick of whatever job they are doing, but saying these completely off the wall numbers is a bit disheartening. I do not ask for any compensation, but please don't let anyone say stupid shit like that. We were all here and this thread is a witness. I wish DZ MC a speedy recovery and successful future GBs since I am vested in them. Thanks.

After looking back over the topic it seems 48 was wrong


The correct amount of downtime was closer to 72

Machines not working is not a hosting issue this is in reference to workers 2, 3 and 4 going down sporadically after January 2nd-3rd until a few days ago

[rudyo]

I believe that it is the Tx ID, but Thomas would have to confirm.

Here's some additional info from a PM from someone asking if there would be additional compensation for under performance on R15/16 and the move cross country:

"bobsag3 says they were only down for 48 hours even while doing the move through Winter storm Hercules.

48 hours? Are we in some sort of reality distortion field? It was way more than 48 hours, otherwise my payout would not be cut by 70% between two payments. I understand this is a risky business and people may get sick of whatever job they are doing, but saying these completely off the wall numbers is a bit disheartening. I do not ask for any compensation, but please don't let anyone say stupid shit like that. We were all here and this thread is a witness. I wish DZ MC a speedy recovery and successful future GBs since I am vested in them. Thanks.

After looking back over the topic it seems 48 was wrong


The correct amount of downtime was closer to 72

Machines not working is not a hosting issue this is in reference to workers 2, 3 and 4 going down sporadically after January 2nd-3rd until a few days ago

72 hours?  Please go back and reread the thread. The miners went down on Dec 30 and the power and comcast weren't even installed until Jan 3!   Yes maybe you turned a couple miners on using generator power and a wireless connection, but nothing hashed for more than a few hours at best. 

Issues with the hardware?  That is because you moved it!  It was hashing perfectly prior to the move, a solid 20btc in the previous 2 weeks.  Yes difficulty went up, but we should have still seen at least 14 BTC for the period.

The real reason is that the move was botched, plain and simple.  It was poorly planned, poorly executed with no contingency or backup plan, plain and simple.  You provided little to no communication and what communication you did provide was merely blaming someone else for your lack of planning and telling us to quit asking!  You blamed everyone else and took NO responsibility.  That doesn't fly in my book.

Who moves hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment to a new facility that doesn't yet have power or an internet connection?  Who orders parts to arrive on the very day that they are needed, such that when FedEx has a delay, THEY become the problem rather than taking responsibility for not ordering them sooner!  This is all coming from "access to 5 world class IT experts who have built the largest public Bitcoin Miners Cooperative in the English Speaking world" and a "world class hosting facility".  It is frankly insulting. 

Take a look at the pics of your "world class hosting facility" facility just "2 weeks" ago. It doesn't even look remotely ready for a move.  Check out the extension cords running to the miners near the door, are those our KNC's??? The reality is that the hardware was most likely damaged by running on dirty generator power and it probably damaged most of it, no wonder you are having issues with the majority of it.  But yet you blame KNC. Do they know the conditions it was ran in?

I have 20% of this group buy and the bottom line is your haphazard approach to this move has cost me dearly, to the tune of approx $1500.  This 40 mile move should have had less than 24 hours of downtime, and could have been done in 2-3 hours.  I myself have done several moves in my career with millions of dollars of equipment much more sensitive, and kept downtime to less than a day.  It can be done if you prepare and plan for it.  You didn't plan nor prepare and it cost us all, and cost us dearly.

It is a slap in the face to receive a $150 credit on hosting for your botched move. My 20% of that is $30.  That is what I would have made with about 4 hours of hashing at the old facility.  Lets see, down for 7 days and I get $30 and you call that fair?

Please take responsibility for what really happened. It is the very least you can do.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7216.msg4528462#msg4528462

[mdude77]

I believe that it is the Tx ID, but Thomas would have to confirm.

Here's some additional info from a PM from someone asking if there would be additional compensation for under performance on R15/16 and the move cross country:

"bobsag3 says they were only down for 48 hours even while doing the move through Winter storm Hercules.

48 hours? Are we in some sort of reality distortion field? It was way more than 48 hours, otherwise my payout would not be cut by 70% between two payments. I understand this is a risky business and people may get sick of whatever job they are doing, but saying these completely off the wall numbers is a bit disheartening. I do not ask for any compensation, but please don't let anyone say stupid shit like that. We were all here and this thread is a witness. I wish DZ MC a speedy recovery and successful future GBs since I am vested in them. Thanks.

+1

We did lose a huge amount of time.  The 70% difference between payments shows that.  Difficulty could have only increased twice in a 2 week period, odds are it was only once.  I don't think it was by 70%.

M

[bobsag3]

Lets clear some things up.

Power was on at the facility from Hour #1. Comcast was not installed untill 5 days later. We still had internet and were mining during that time- just not on comcast.
What we didnt have untill last week was the UPGRADED power, IE the additional pulls.

For the move itself we were down no more than 72 hours. Anything beyond that was equipment problems, as in most of the jupiters and a few of the ants did not like the move for whatever reason.

Not to mention that picture- was taken before the move, before the coop's equipment was packed up. You cant even see the 3/4 of the place that is finished.

[smooth]

Was there supposed to be a payout at the end of december? I got one in mid december and now another one in mid jan but nothing at the end of december.

To follow up I did receive the payout January 1. Sorry for the confusion.

[rudyo]

Lets clear some things up.

Power was on at the facility from Hour #1. Comcast was not installed untill 5 days later. We still had internet and were mining during that time- just not on comcast.
What we didnt have untill last week was the UPGRADED power, IE the additional pulls.

For the move itself we were down no more than 72 hours. Anything beyond that was equipment problems, as in most of the jupiters and a few of the ants did not like the move for whatever reason.

Not to mention that picture- was taken before the move, before the coop's equipment was packed up. You cant even see the 3/4 of the place that is finished.

I would LOVE for some things to be cleared up.  How about full disclosure and honest transparency as a start?

(link to picture removed to save space)

Bout 2 weeks ago, very much under construction.
And yes, that is a quakecon sign

January 15th less 2 weeks =January 1st, 2 days after the move.

When you were asked what was in the back corner, you yourself commented "KnC, Redhash, and some Ants"

So if 3/4 of the facility is done and complete at the time of this picture, why wouldn't or couldn't you show us that?  Maybe because you didn't share virtually anything with us?  The silence was deafening.

Lol! But I see some actual mining gear in the back, Knc maybe?

KnC, Redhash, and some Ants

On Jan 2 (+72 hours) Mapuao posted

Worker 1 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 2 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 3 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 4 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s

Whats going on?
Clear answer, PLEASE!

On Jan 3 (+96 hours) madpoet posted

1 of the 4 online.  This is just nuts.  I do this for a living and would be fired if I left my clients down like this.  

On Jan 3 (+96 hours - 4 days) you tell us:

Updates really quick:

We have now moved from our 2k facility, to a brand new 7k facility.

Reasons for delays in getting hash rate up:
-No power till wednesday, due to storms and holiday
-New facility STILL does not have internet, have been using 4G LTE backup until ISP finishes install
-One of the existing breaker boxes in the facility blew completely the first night, electricians are now replacing and massively upgrading the power and cooling here as I type this
-Delays in parts, the storms + 2 holidays caused ~50% of my parts for setup to be delayed, massively increasing my time needed to get things up and running
- Half of the jupiters stopped working from unplug-repluf in 14 hours later. Every single Antminer I have, as well as the avalons and BF had no problems, but I now have ~8 jupiters to diagnose.

As of now, R15/16_2 and R15/16_4 are running at full speed, with the next 2 being worked on right now.

I am very sorry for all of this lost hash rate, but I have done everything within my limited power to get this stuff up and running ASAP. I still don't have a bed, or internet at my apartment, so even communication has been difficult. I expect to have everything up and running 100% by the end of tomorrow, if not by sunday.

Also if I get one more fucking 502 error while trying to post ill kill something.

On January 4th (+120 hours = 5 days) All miners were at 0

 

Epic FAIL  

Then 2 miners started working sporadically for quite a few days.

Oj January 6 (7 days) Thomas posts that you are still yet moving equipment to a new breaker and scolds us for asking for updates.  We have been down 7 days at this point, a solid !@#$%^& week and he tells us "On another note we do have other things we need to get done than post a second by second breakdown of what's going on"

Did we EVER ask for second by second updates? We are 7 days into an outage with virtually NO information and we are basically told to quit asking!

On January 6 Thomas posts

I would venture to guess that worker 2 is dead. Either that or my F5 voodoo is failing.

Its the breaker that's being installed, power needs to be split up as to not blow everything.

I thought that the "new power" was already in and "upgraded"?  Yet you still maintain: "For the move itself we were down no more than 72 hours. Anything beyond that was equipment problems,"   At day 7 you were still messing with power, that is not an equipment problem.


The bottom line here is as I originally posted, the moved was botched, plain and simple.  This thread is proof of that.  We were told it was competent IT professionals hosting our investment "at a world class hosting facility". It is clear that was not the case.  You aren't fooling anyone on the thread, I have received quite a number of PM's in support of my stance and my vocal approach. I welcome any responses, public or private.

I exchanged quite a number of PM's with DZ during the outage and based on those decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, figuring you would do the right thing.  That clearly did not happen.  $150 off of hosting is a pittance.  Your botched move cost us 7BTC,  ~$5500!

It is disingenuous and incredibly insulting to all here that the blame is always placed elsewhere and no real responsibility is taken.  I am OK losing money to increasing difficulty, market conditions, low BTC value, true Acts of God etc.  Those are all real issues that are truly outside anyones control.  This botched move does not fall into those categories.

We placed our $$$ and our trust in you and we got screwed, royally.

[thomas_s]

We will be opening a vote to change hosting providers for all KNC units.

All KNC's that are changed will be next day shipped to the new host. We will need to know what host you would like to be included in the vote.

[rudyo]

We will be opening a vote to change hosting providers for all KNC units.

All KNC's that are changed will be next day shipped to the new host. We will need to know what host you would like to be included in the vote.

AND move AGAIN??? Surely you jest...

Oh and I don't recall any proposed vote on the precious botched move, why a vote now?

[mdude77]

We will be opening a vote to change hosting providers for all KNC units.

All KNC's that are changed will be next day shipped to the new host. We will need to know what host you would like to be included in the vote.

AND move AGAIN??? Surely you jest...

Oh and I don't recall any proposed vote on the precious botched move, why a vote now?

yeah, why?  what's wrong with this one?  seems like things are finally running again?

M

[BorisAlt]

Congratulations to all! All four workers seem stable and we just crossed 50% ROI. I wish it would be sooner but will take what we got!

[BorisAlt]

My link to see workers now sends me to the front page. I created a new account but can't find how to see workers stats. Could you post a link please?

[sf2]

 

[thomas_s]

My link to see workers now sends me to the front page. I created a new account but can't find how to see workers stats. Could you post a link please?

http://www.crypto-ops.com/?page_id=1192

This site is correct and is one of ours.

[BorisAlt]

Old site seems to be updating just fine. Tks

[rudyo]

My link to see workers now sends me to the front page. I created a new account but can't find how to see workers stats. Could you post a link please?

http://www.crypto-ops.com/?page_id=1192

Are the 4 Jupiters hashing?  The stats at the above page show 0 hashrate and have been at 0 since this morning.  Is this correct?

[thomas_s]

My link to see workers now sends me to the front page. I created a new account but can't find how to see workers stats. Could you post a link please?

http://www.crypto-ops.com/?page_id=1192

Are the 4 Jupiters hashing?  The stats at the above page show 0 hashrate and have been at 0 since this morning.  Is this correct?

They've been hashing all day, went down a few times this afternoon while we were moving some switches around and went down a little while ago because our router rebooted.

Again the monitoring software only updates every 10 minutes, so each of those times it went down could look like 10 minutes even tho it was only 1-2 or even less.

[railzand]

3.5 hours later 0,0,0,0

edit: aaaaaaargh lets just sell these stupid finnicky irritating pathetic effing annoying tight-arsed c&ntitudinous nonsense effing jupiters. i am sick to death of them. you cant even look at them without them sulking for a week. then we start another round of hassling bob who also hates the sight of them, dz stuck in paradise and thomas gets all thomasy.

get shot of the whole sorry thing i say with my massive two shares, dunno if the maths works out, dont even give a sausage at this stage. too much hassle for the bosses too much hassle for the little guys. does not bode well for the neptune round we need those to be monsters. lets regather our energies for blackarrow, and come back to keffingnbloodyc later in the year

[BorisAlt]

How about stop moving switches and rebooting routers? They have been hashing very nicely for several days. Still at 0.0 at this time for all four.

[rudyo]

1-23-2014 10:00am PST

[railzand]

they're back up

[BorisAlt]

Yeap, seems they are BACK.

[BorisAlt]

All four workers have been running smoothly over last few days. thomas, are there any plans to modify any hardware or software in the coming week? Thanks.

[thomas_s]

All four workers have been running smoothly over last few days. thomas, are there any plans to modify any hardware or software in the coming week? Thanks.

No, but they haven't been running smoothly the last few weeks, worker two sometimes drops to 0.

[DyslexicZombei]

R15/16 Update: As mentioned earlier in this thread, these Jupiters have been finicky (and still continue to be problematic).

I apologize for the inconvenience but Miner Hosting LLC has decided to ship these Jupiters to another vetted miner hosting facility in the US. They will be hosted at a DZMC vetted miner facility, with our 4th vetted miner host at a top notch hosting facility.

At the end of the month: DZMC veteran member thyatis will be taking over the hosting for these Jupiters in Florida. He has prior experience with a variety of different miners.

His setup includes:

- 120V or 220V power
- Triple network redundancy
- APC UPS units capable of 8 hours of backup time for 6 Jupiters
- Gas generators for longer outages
- Dedicated air conditioning for the miners

To compensate DZMC members for downtime during shipping and setup, on hand miners from other mfgs. will be substituted as equivalent hashrate until the Jupiters are up and running again in Florida. BTC earned from this be sent to thyatis, who will be handling payouts after some training, as part of the 1st thru 15th payout.

Please refer questions for miner in Florida. to DZMC vetted Miner Host: thyatis.

Thanks.

EDIT: Thomas will still be handling miner payouts.

[bobsag3]

R15/16 Update: As mentioned earlier in this thread, these Jupiters have been finicky (and still continue to be problematic).

I apologize for the inconvenience but Miner Hosting LLC has decided to ship these Jupiters to another vetted miner hosting facility in the US. They will be hosted at a DZMC vetted miner facility, with our 4th vetted miner host at a top notch hosting facility.

At the end of the month: DZMC veteran member thyatis will be taking over the hosting for these Jupiters in Florida. He has prior experience with a variety of different miners.

His setup includes:

- 120V or 220V power
- Triple network redundancy
- APC UPS units capable of 8 hours of backup time for 6 Jupiters
- Dedicated air conditioning for the miners

To compensate DZMC members for downtime, on hand miners from other mfgs. will be substituted as equivalent hashrate until the Jupiters are up and running again in Florida. BTC earned from this be sent to thyatis, who will be handling payouts after some training, as part of the 1st thru 15th payout.

Please refer questions for miner in Florida. to DZMC vetted Miner Host: thyatis.

Thanks.

EDIT: Thomas will still be handling miner payouts.

Just to clarify:

I will compensate R5-6 for 1.2thash for 36hrs (much longer than it should take to get them up, if it takes longer it will be extended)
R15/16 will get 2.5thash for the same time frame

All 6 units will be UPS Overnighted w/ insurance, with delivery before noon, along with the PSUs.

[Thyatis]

Hi Everyone,

As it says up there ^^^^  I am taking over the hosting of these machines.  I am going to aim at making the transition as smoothly as possible.   I have started already preparing the area, and it will have like it says dedicated network, which has triple redundancy.  I have ups power that can handle 6 jupiters for 8 hours straight (if not longer). They will have dedicated cooling.
I have GAS powered generators if electricity is having some major issues.  I have also redundant buildings that I can move too.  My motive is to have as much redundancy in as possible.
I am extremely experienced in Datacenter development and many other IT fields.  I am also consistently active on the forums.
If you would like any more information from me send me a PM.
Thanks
Thyatis

[vilgem]

I'm sorry for interrupting your discussion. It looks like Miner Hosting LLC staff is chatting here so I have a public question to ask. Why do you ignore all emails sent to support@minersource.net address? Why do you ignore personal messages on this forum. I wrote you a dozen of emails asking a question regarding my order at Minersource and got no useful answer. I wrote a personal message to @bobsag3 regarding the order and he just ignored the message. You collect money from people all over the world and provide no support at all. Do you think such approach of doing business is going to work in the long term?

I paid for my order two weeks ago (by wire) and you claim that you haven't got my wire yet. It's impossible as SWIFT transactions usually take 2-3 business days to complete. It's my second order at Minersource. I didn't have such problems with my first order - you got the corresponding wire in several days. Both wires were made by a template - they differ only in order numbers. How it's possible that you still haven't got the wire for my second order? I sent you a SWIFT-document which proofs the wire but you just ignored it. It looks like a scam, guys. You collect money and ignore your customers. Is there any guarantee that you won't disappear once with all the money collected?

Please provide me with the information regarding my order. I'm sure you got the payment, so please update the order information in my account at Minersource site.

[gh2k]

As someone with 15 shares in the GB:

Thanks for the update. Some questions, if you please:

How does the group buy benefit from the move? - i.e. Why does the fact that we have flaky Jupiters mean that they must be moved from one facility to another? If Thyatis can provide a better reboot-it-when-it-goes-wrong time then I guess that would help, but short of having spare parts I can't see any other good reason. (I do, however, appreciate that we will be reimbursed with hashrate for the downtime so this should be performed at no cost to us.) -- Is it just that minersource want shot of the crappy hardware?

Will Thyatis be providing the hosting on the same terms (i.e. monthly cost, etc.) as minersource?

What response have we had from kncminer about the issues with the miners? I understand that emails were sent, but we've never been informed if there were replies. Is there any way we can get spare parts or replacements for the faulty miners? (I know that miner 4 has been struggling for some time now) - As a partial-owner of the hardware I feel like we've been left out of the loop a bit as to it's fate. On the other hand, spending time gathering consensus when a miner isn't working doesn't help either... But I do feel that from this perspective we've been let down on comms.

As a private customer of minersource

Specifically, @vilgem

I've been hosting antminer S1 with them and so far I've not had any problems. They are sometimes slow to answer emails (2-3 days) and sometimes they do not answer at all if it's a sales enquiry that they are interested in. However, one the one occasion my miner did go down my emails were responded to very quickly and the situation was resolved. In general I would say that they are trustworthy, if difficult to get hold of sometimes.

My impression is that the setup is more side-project-for-people-with-day-jobs-and-not-quite-enough-time than it is a scam. However, if I were in your shoes having wired some money and getting no response then I would be worried as well. If it's a preorder then don't sweat it, it'll all get sorted out - they've just got more important things to deal with than they have time and so they have to prioritise. If it's for in-hand mining equipment then you're losing out on difficulty so making some noise is justified. You might want to hassle thomas_s about your problems if bobsag3 hasn't got back to you?

[Thyatis]

As someone with 15 shares in the GB:

Thanks for the update. Some questions, if you please:

How does the group buy benefit from the move? - i.e. Why does the fact that we have flaky Jupiters mean that they must be moved from one facility to another? If Thyatis can provide a better reboot-it-when-it-goes-wrong time then I guess that would help, but short of having spare parts I can't see any other good reason. (I do, however, appreciate that we will be reimbursed with hashrate for the downtime so this should be performed at no cost to us.) -- Is it just that minersource want shot of the crappy hardware?

Will Thyatis be providing the hosting on the same terms (i.e. monthly cost, etc.) as minersource?

What response have we had from kncminer about the issues with the miners? I understand that emails were sent, but we've never been informed if there were replies. Is there any way we can get spare parts or replacements for the faulty miners? (I know that miner 4 has been struggling for some time now) - As a partial-owner of the hardware I feel like we've been left out of the loop a bit as to it's fate. On the other hand, spending time gathering consensus when a miner isn't working doesn't help either... But I do feel that from this perspective we've been let down on comms.

As a private customer of minersource

Specifically, @vilgem

I've been hosting antminer S1 with them and so far I've not had any problems. They are sometimes slow to answer emails (2-3 days) and sometimes they do not answer at all if it's a sales enquiry that they are interested in. However, one the one occasion my miner did go down my emails were responded to very quickly and the situation was resolved. In general I would say that they are trustworthy, if difficult to get hold of sometimes.

My impression is that the setup is more side-project-for-people-with-day-jobs-and-not-quite-enough-time than it is a scam. However, if I were in your shoes having wired some money for aand getting no response then I would be worried as well. If it's a preorder then don't sweat it, it'll all get sorted out - they've just got more important things to deal with than they have time and so they have to prioritise. If it's for in-hand mining equipment then you're losing out on difficulty so making some noise is justified. You might want to hassle thomas_s about your problems if bobsag3 hasn't got back to you?

I will answer the questions I can answer:

Yes exact same terms.  Nothing changes there.
What benefit does the group buy have?  You get me isn't that enough ?
All joking aside, I believe bobsag3 and Thomas and Dz's business has grown substantially throughout the past couple of months, quicker than any normal business.  With that growth it is hard to maintain status quo.   So they have branched out, they know the miners need more attention than what they can dedicate time too, this is where I come in.  I will be able to monitor them much more closely and do what is required to reboot them, or what is necessary.

I will be communicating much more on the forums for people to know as I am literally almost always on.   I am setting these miners as a priority.  basically I have been asked to help keep these miners on track and give them some tlc. 

Now as far as vilgem I cannot assist there as I am not part of the minersource business.  But from what I understand it is most likely for a preorder of a black arrow, done by a wire.  Anything happening by a wire is absolute night mare to deal with, especially if you have a large amount of transactions.  But I will leave that up to bobsag3 to comment on.

[gh2k]

I will answer the questions I can answer:

Yes exact same terms.  Nothing changes there.
What benefit does the group buy have?  You get me isn't that enough ?
All joking aside, I believe bobsag3 and Thomas and Dz's business has grown substantially throughout the past couple of months, quicker than any normal business.  With that growth it is hard to maintain status quo.   So they have branched out, they know the miners need more attention than what they can dedicate time too, this is where I come in.  I will be able to monitor them much more closely and do what is required to reboot them, or what is necessary.

Thanks, that is what I had suspected but it's good to hear. Minersource have done a good job for us in general so it's good to know what's happening. You're vetted by DZ and minersource will be providing hashrate to cover the downtime so in theory that's good enough for me. If you can get them working more reliably or let us know kncminer's position on things, then that's an improvement, too.

[vilgem]

If it's a preorder then don't sweat it, it'll all get sorted out - they've just got more important things to deal with than they have time and so they have to prioritise.

We all always have important things to deal with. Everyone is busy more or less. But there is such a thing as customer respect. I'd appreciate if a Miner Hosting LLC staff member will give a reasonable explanation. Why we (customers) are looking for excuses for the company? Why can't they make such a statement themselves? Like, "Sorry guys, we are very busy, but we will check all wire transactions we got recently and will let you know the result ASAP."

Anything happening by a wire is absolute night mare to deal with, especially if you have a large amount of transactions.  But I will leave that up to bobsag3 to comment on.

I would be grateful if @bobsag3 or someone from Minersource team will make a comment on this issue.

[bobsag3]

I'm sorry for interrupting your discussion. It looks like Miner Hosting LLC staff is chatting here so I have a public question to ask. Why do you ignore all emails sent to support@minersource.net address? Why do you ignore personal messages on this forum. I wrote you a dozen of emails asking a question regarding my order at Minersource and got no useful answer. I wrote a personal message to @bobsag3 regarding the order and he just ignored the message. You collect money from people all over the world and provide no support at all. Do you think such approach of doing business is going to work in the long term?

I paid for my order two weeks ago (by wire) and you claim that you haven't got my wire yet. It's impossible as SWIFT transactions usually take 2-3 business days to complete. It's my second order at Minersource. I didn't have such problems with my first order - you got the corresponding wire in several days. Both wires were made by a template - they differ only in order numbers. How it's possible that you still haven't got the wire for my second order? I sent you a SWIFT-document which proofs the wire but you just ignored it. It looks like a scam, guys. You collect money and ignore your customers. Is there any guarantee that you won't disappear once with all the money collected?

Please provide me with the information regarding my order. I'm sure you got the payment, so please update the order information in my account at Minersource site.

I do not respond to anything dealing with wires or payments for orders on the website, I had several people almost try to scam us by that meathod (they were bad, but tried none the less) so I tend to ignore all such requests made on the forums.

As for your emails, please foward the most recent one to matt @ minersource, its very possible it got lost. We have been beyond swampped, and training my new guys (outside thomas) to answer correctly ETC takes time; that seems like a long time in the BTC world but in reality we have been running 18 hr days since Jan 1. We are getting things better and faster, and having these jups shipped to someone who has the time and resources to give them the TLC needed will help reduce our workload, so we can concentrate on the other matters.

[thomas_s]

If it's a preorder then don't sweat it, it'll all get sorted out - they've just got more important things to deal with than they have time and so they have to prioritise.

We all always have important things to deal with. Everyone is busy more or less. But there is such a thing as customer respect. I'd appreciate if a Miner Hosting LLC staff member will give a reasonable explanation. Why we (customers) are looking for excuses for the company? Why can't they make such a statement themselves? Like, "Sorry guys, we are very busy, but we will check all wire transactions we got recently and will let you know the result ASAP."

Anything happening by a wire is absolute night mare to deal with, especially if you have a large amount of transactions.  But I will leave that up to bobsag3 to comment on.

I would be grateful if @bobsag3 or someone from Minersource team will make a comment on this issue.

I've worked in a bank international wires can take up to 10 business days sometimes its quicker bit depending on circumstances it can take the full amount of time.

At the bank if it took more than 14 days you could request your bank run a trace on it.

Minersource wires are checked twice a day

[BorisAlt]

R15/16 Update: As mentioned earlier in this thread, these Jupiters have been finicky (and still continue to be problematic).

I have been checking them every few hours and whatever you guys doing is working GREAT. Very stable income in the last week.

If the desire for coop to expand, why not start with new orders instead of shutting down that works? Just asking. Certainly appreciate keeping the commitment. I am not sure "refund" is even appropriate since hashing will continue uninterrupted.

[vilgem]

I do not respond to anything dealing with wires or payments for orders on the website, I had several people almost try to scam us by that meathod (they were bad, but tried none the less) so I tend to ignore all such requests made on the forums.

May be something is wrong with the way you process incoming bank transactions as many people complain about their wires? By the way I'm not trying to scam you. How am I supposed to scam you if the guy who pays money is me?

As for your emails, please foward the most recent one to matt @ minersource, its very possible it got lost.

I wrote an email to the address you provided with all the details about my wire.

At the bank if it took more than 14 days you could request your bank run a trace on it.

I have already requested my bank. They can only provide me with the proof (SWIFT-document) that my wire transaction has left the bank. A wire transaction may pass several intermediate banks before it reaches the destination bank. But two weeks is enough time to reach the destination in 99.9999% cases. Anyway, I attached a SWITF document to the email I sent. At my bank help desk I was told that the receiver should show this document at his bank help desk and should start an investigation where the money is.

Minersource wires are checked twice a day

I'm quite sure you check NEW transactions only. If a transaction was missed a week ago you will never notice it again. That's why I'm trying to reach your support team. @thomas_s, I sent you a personal message with my order details, please check. Thanks.

[thomas_s]

I do not respond to anything dealing with wires or payments for orders on the website, I had several people almost try to scam us by that meathod (they were bad, but tried none the less) so I tend to ignore all such requests made on the forums.

May be something is wrong with the way you process incoming bank transactions as many people complain about their wires? By the way I'm not trying to scam you. How am I supposed to scam you if the guy who pays money is me?

As for your emails, please foward the most recent one to matt @ minersource, its very possible it got lost.

I wrote an email to the address you provided with all the details about my wire.

At the bank if it took more than 14 days you could request your bank run a trace on it.

I have already requested my bank. They can only provide me with the proof (SWIFT-document) that my wire transaction has left the bank. A wire transaction may pass several intermediate banks before it reaches the destination bank. But two weeks is enough time to reach the destination in 99.9999% cases. Anyway, I attached a SWITF document to the email I sent. At my bank help desk I was told that the receiver should show this document at his bank help desk and should start an investigation where the money is.

Minersource wires are checked twice a day

I'm quite sure you check NEW transactions only. If a transaction was missed a week ago you will never notice it again. That's why I'm trying to reach your support team. @thomas_s, I sent you a personal message with my order details, please check. Thanks.

Wire transfers get put in a list based on when they clear into the account not when they were sent.

At the bank I saw it often that our bank would say its the fault of the other bank and the other bank would put the blame on the receiving bank...that's how banks work, also united states banks have certain holiday's / cut offs, based on when you said you sent the transfer depending on how long it took to hit the network today or tomorrow would be the 10th business day.

[vilgem]

Wire transfers get put in a list based on when they clear into the account not when they were sent.

You're right. But what I mean is that the transaction may have been missed by someone who checks the transactions at your company. And in this case it won't be notices without an inquery from my side. Banks are not perfect, of course. But two weeks time interval is a signal to start an investigation. I'm quite sure you should have received my wire a long time ago. The wire may have just been missed when checking. Please check it again (check you inbox - I wrote you a personal message).

[vilgem]

Dear @bobsag3, @thomas_s,

two business days have passed since I wrote a personal message to both of you, sent you an email. I still haven't got ANY response. My order status is still "Balance Due". It seems like NOBODY even tried to do something. Are you kidding me?
 

[thomas_s]

Dear @bobsag3, @thomas_s,

two business days have passed since I wrote a personal message to both of you, sent you an email. I still haven't got ANY response. My order status is still "Balance Due". It seems like NOBODY even tried to do something. Are you kidding me?
 

Hi Vilgem,

This thread is for the DZMC, unfortunately I cannot do anything about payments including looking into them, unless they are payments made to the DZMC or Cryptmint. I have already responded with my experience in banking and there is no more information that I would be able to provide.

[vilgem]

Hi Vilgem,

This thread is for the DZMC, unfortunately I cannot do anything about payments including looking into them, unless they are payments made to the DZMC or Cryptmint. I have already responded with my experience in banking and there is no more information that I would be able to provide.

Is there any official Minersource thread on this forum?

[thomas_s]

Hi Vilgem,

This thread is for the DZMC, unfortunately I cannot do anything about payments including looking into them, unless they are payments made to the DZMC or Cryptmint. I have already responded with my experience in banking and there is no more information that I would be able to provide.

Is there any official Minersource thread on this forum?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288012.0

But as bobsag3 said payment inquires aren't dealt with over the forums and must be dealt with by email

[vilgem]

Thanks for the link.

But as bobsag3 said payment inquires aren't dealt with over the forums and must be dealt with by email

Nobody from Minersource is actually providing any support via email. I made an email enquiry two days ago as Matt had asked. He got my email and wrote me back saying that my enquiry would be forwarded to the head of Minersource support. And nobody answered in two business days regarding my order. How is it supposed to work at all? If wires are checked twise daily then someone should have answered. It looks like nobody cares. But keep in mind that laws are realy strict in the US. We are not playing games. I start my day by checking my account for the status of my order. Every single day for two weeks. It is annoying. It causes moral harm if you want.

[railzand]

When is the best time to sell this hardware?

Payment received with thanks.

[BorisAlt]

Payment received, thanks.

With equipment running stable last couple weeks and R17 delay, would it be feasible to keep R15/R16 uninterrupted ? I think the idea of moving to a new facility was motivated by growth. With growth halted for the time being, it may make sense to leave things as they are now. With R17 getting back on track in May, we could look at the state of affairs then, perhaps.

[thomas_s]

Payment received, thanks.

With equipment running stable last couple weeks and R17 delay, would it be feasible to keep R15/R16 uninterrupted ? I think the idea of moving to a new facility was motivated by growth. With growth halted for the time being, it may make sense to leave things as they are now. With R17 getting back on track in May, we could look at the state of affairs then, perhaps.

I would like to comment on this as they were planned to ship on Friday, after we found out that BA was going to be delayed and bobsag3 needed to go meet with them in the UK we basically ran out of time to send them and decided to wait instead of rushing it.

A few posts back bobsag3 mentioned that the move would have little effect on any rounds and hashrate that equaled / exceeded original hashrate would be added for a period of time while the move was taking place to ensure no downtime. Unfortunately due to the delay I mentioned previously and a shipment not arriving from FedEx the hashrate couldn't be added.

[BorisAlt]

Thanks for update. It's clear that you guys are working hard to keep the promise for this round.

[vilgem]

Nobody from Minersource is actually providing any support via email. I made an email enquiry two days ago as Matt had asked. He got my email and wrote me back saying that my enquiry would be forwarded to the head of Minersource support. And nobody answered in two business days regarding my order. How is it supposed to work at all? If wires are checked twise daily then someone should have answered. It looks like nobody cares. But keep in mind that laws are realy strict in the US. We are not playing games. I start my day by checking my account for the status of my order. Every single day for two weeks. It is annoying. It causes moral harm if you want.

My second order wire has finally been found and porocessed. But problems have not yet gone (actually became even worse). Now my first order has changed its status from "Paid" back to "Balance Due". It is more expensive order with more items bought and it has better priority. Matt said it happened because of a bug (wrond discount processing). I aksed to fix the issue but again - no answer in several business days. At the time delivery starts, nobody will remember the story and my order might be skipped. Can anyone finally set both my orders to Paid status???

[BorisAlt]

Can someone restart worker 4 please? It's been down for two days. Thank you.

[railzand]

Can someone restart worker 4 please? It's been down for two days. Thank you.

oh thanks BorisAlt, I hadn't even noticed. hard to keep up with all the rounds, let alone everything else.

that worker4 has been lazy like in the 4 hundreds mostly since idk when

[railzand]

Can someone restart worker 4 please? It's been down for two days. Thank you.

bump

and we really must sell these now

[BorisAlt]

Any update on worker #4? I have been checking every hour or so. It did not come online for two days now.  We are inching closer to ROI and a gentle push may help. Thanks.

[nicksmith]

Bump again, please fix worker #4 guys! You state you have a staff now, why are they not monitoring anything? 

[thomas_s]

As we have said before we have staff and worker 4 shows that its hashing.

We have attempted to restart it multiple times.

[nicksmith]

As we have said before we have staff and worker 4 shows that its hashing.

We have attempted to restart it multiple times.

If you show it hashing on your end and the plugin is just broken on your website for the last 60 hours, why would you even attempt to restart it?

[thomas_s]

As we have said before we have staff and worker 4 shows that its hashing.

We have attempted to restart it multiple times.

If you show it hashing on your end and the plugin is just broken on your website for the last 60 hours, why would you even attempt to restart it?

Worker 4 is broken, its showing that its hashing but it isn't, every attempt to restart it shows the same thing it turns on its hashing, we check the monitor and BTCGuild and it shows its down.

[gh2k]

Worker 4 is broken, its showing that its hashing but it isn't, every attempt to restart it shows the same thing it turns on its hashing, we check the monitor and BTCGuild and it shows its down.

What, if any attempts have been made at resolving the problem using kncminer's technical support, and what answers have we had?

[railzand]

Worker 1 Hash Rate       710.407 Gh/s
Worker 2 Hash Rate       672.535 Gh/s
Worker 3 Hash Rate       679.254 Gh/s
Worker 4 Hash Rate       510.051 Gh/s
Last Update: 14 minutes ago | plugin by mootinator

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What, if any attempts have been made at resolving the problem using kncminer's technical support, and what answers have we had?

[gh2k]

All 4 workers are down:

WORKER 1 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s
WORKER 2 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s
WORKER 3 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s
WORKER 4 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s

[gh2k]

All 4 workers are down:

WORKER 1 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s
WORKER 2 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s
WORKER 3 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s
WORKER 4 HASH RATE       0 Gh/s

They're back again

[BorisAlt]

Thank you for addressing the issues, bringing all 4 workers on line. We are just 28% from making ROI. Please keep up your efforts on running this GB to success.

[rudyo]

as of 4:30am EST Workers 1 and 4 are down.

Could someone please tell us who gets the alert when they are not hashing? (assuming there IS an alert...)

[thomas_s]

R15/16 Update: As mentioned earlier in this thread, these Jupiters have been finicky (and still continue to be problematic).

I apologize for the inconvenience but Miner Hosting LLC has decided to ship these Jupiters to another vetted miner hosting facility in the US. They will be hosted at a DZMC vetted miner facility, with our 4th vetted miner host at a top notch hosting facility.

At the end of the month: DZMC veteran member thyatis will be taking over the hosting for these Jupiters in Florida. He has prior experience with a variety of different miners.

His setup includes:

- 120V or 220V power
- Triple network redundancy
- APC UPS units capable of 8 hours of backup time for 6 Jupiters
- Gas generators for longer outages
- Dedicated air conditioning for the miners

To compensate DZMC members for downtime during shipping and setup, on hand miners from other mfgs. will be substituted as equivalent hashrate until the Jupiters are up and running again in Florida. BTC earned from this be sent to thyatis, who will be handling payouts after some training, as part of the 1st thru 15th payout.

Please refer questions for miner in Florida. to DZMC vetted Miner Host: thyatis.

Thanks.

EDIT: Thomas will still be handling miner payouts.

Downtime will be compensated by sending BTC that would have been earned while they are down to the payout address.

[bobsag3]

R15/16 Update: As mentioned earlier in this thread, these Jupiters have been finicky (and still continue to be problematic).

I apologize for the inconvenience but Miner Hosting LLC has decided to ship these Jupiters to another vetted miner hosting facility in the US. They will be hosted at a DZMC vetted miner facility, with our 4th vetted miner host at a top notch hosting facility.

At the end of the month: DZMC veteran member thyatis will be taking over the hosting for these Jupiters in Florida. He has prior experience with a variety of different miners.

His setup includes:

- 120V or 220V power
- Triple network redundancy
- APC UPS units capable of 8 hours of backup time for 6 Jupiters
- Gas generators for longer outages
- Dedicated air conditioning for the miners

To compensate DZMC members for downtime during shipping and setup, on hand miners from other mfgs. will be substituted as equivalent hashrate until the Jupiters are up and running again in Florida. BTC earned from this be sent to thyatis, who will be handling payouts after some training, as part of the 1st thru 15th payout.

Please refer questions for miner in Florida. to DZMC vetted Miner Host: thyatis.

Thanks.

EDIT: Thomas will still be handling miner payouts.

Downtime will be compensated by sending BTC that would have been earned while they are down to the payout address.

And that BTC will be sent as soon as thyatis confirms he has them back up and running.

[rudyo]

Can you give us the schedule?  When will the miners be taken offline and shipped?
How are they being shipped and by what service level?  (FedEx Standard overnight, FedEx 2 day etc.)

[rudyo]

as of 4:30am EST Workers 1 and 4 are down.

Could someone please tell us who gets the alert when they are not hashing? (assuming there IS an alert...)

Also could someone please answer this question in the context of the new hosting?  I get that there is network redundancy, UPS units, generators, AC etc. (all of which was promised to us at the current hosting facility), but none of that really helps much with a fickle or problematic miner.  I would like to know what the response time is once a tech gets  an alert on a miner not hashing.  What is the SLA for issues that require a reboot or hands on interaction?

Given the current difficulty, the entire group of 4 miners is only hashing at around .5 BTC a day, but that is still ~$13.00 per hour that is lost and it adds up pretty quick. 

[gh2k]

What, if any attempts have been made at resolving the problem using kncminer's technical support, and what answers have we had?

I would still like an answer to this. Worker 4 would be a much more re-saleable proposition if restored to working order.

[mdude77]

I'm confused.  My payout for the 15th is half of what it was on the 1st.  Difficulty didn't increase 50% in the last 2 weeks did it?  Are our rigs doing that bad that we got 50% less than 2 weeks ago?  Also, where did the BTC/USD rate of $662 come from?  mtgox has it at $370.

M

[smooth]

Difficulty didn't increase 50% in the last 2 weeks did it?

No, and also don't forget a 50% increase in difficulty means a 33% decrease in mining output, not a 50% decrease.

EDIT: Also, I got no payout. Why?

[rudyo]

Here is my read on it.

Jan 15th - 31st calculation:

17 days in Period
2600 GH/s

8 days @ .7397 BTC per day
Diff change on Jan 24
9 days @ .5961 BTC per day
Total:  11.28 BTC (at 100% uptime)

Actual Gross Payout: 10.5 BTC
BTC lost due to downtime: .78 BTC
Actual % payout:  93%

So not too bad, I don't think all miners were up at 100% for this period, so the 93% seems about right

Feb 1st - Feb 14th calculation:
14 days in period
2600 GH/s

4 days @ .5961 BTC per day
Diff change on Feb 5
10 days @ .4988 BTC per day
Total:  7.37 BTC (at 100% uptime)

Actual Gross Payout: 6 BTC
BTC lost due to downtime:  1.37 BTC
Actual % payout:  81.3%

So based on these calcs it appears that we did lose more BTC to downtime, but not appreciably so.  The difference in the number of days had the greatest impact.
Also the drop in BTC/USD price meant that more was taken for the hosting fees.  So double whammy, less days, diff increase, more downtime, more BTC taken for fees =  much lower payout.

I estimate the next period as follows:

Feb 15th - Feb 28th (estimated)
14 days in period
2600 GH's

2 days @ .4988 BTC per day
Diff change on Feb 17 (estimated)
12 days @ .4194 BTC per day
Total: 6.03 BTC (at 100% uptime)

The actual difficulty change could skew these numbers slightly, but they are close.  

Proposed Action:

The difficulty has really become a crushing force.  When these miners started hashing difficulty was 707,408,283 and the daily revenue was 1.84 BTC per day.
The next difficulty will be close to 3,117,760,889 and the daily revenue will only be .4194 BTC per day, merely 22% of when we started.

There is nothing in the foreseeable future that will slow or halt the difficulty increase.  The daily take of .4194 will be reduced to an estimated .17 BTC per day by April 1st.
These numbers lead me to believe we should actively pursue selling the hardware and ending this GB, preferably before the next round of asic's hit the streets.

The current street value of a KNC Jupiter is  $7,000 - $10,000.   I propose that these 4 miners be sold immediately at the current street price and the proceeds distributed to the shareholders. A sale could yield $25,000 - $40,000 or $125- $200 per share.  This is far more than I believe we will receive in future payouts, given that the current payout was only .025 BTC per share.


DZ, Thomas, what action is needed by the shareholders to make a decision to sell?  Do you put it to a vote?  I hold 20% of the GB and favor a sale ASAP. I believe that a sale even as low as $5000 per unit would be the correct decision.

Thoughts?
  
Edited to correct share price upon sale... that is what I get for posting late and not checking my math!  :-)
The proceeds should be divided by the # of shares, which is 200.

Can one of the Group buy coordinators clarify please?

[railzand]

Thank you rudyo. I second your proposal. Please let's sell them now. I've 2 shares.

[rudyo]

Thank you rudyo. I second your proposal. Please let's sell them now. I've 2 shares.

I guess if we need a majority, that is 101 shares.  I hold 40 shares + your 2 = 42.

The proposal is that the 4 KNC Jupiters be sold immediately, pricing them to ensure a quick sale. Of course we would not accept a lowball offer.  Current street price can be estimated from the BTC marketplace as well as eBay.  Shareholders to approve final selling price.  Net proceeds to be distributed to the shareholders.

Shareholders, please respond with your vote.

Edit: GB coordinators; DZ, Thomas, et al, if there is a different way we should go about this, please let us know how to proceed.

[mdude77]

Thank you rudyo. I second your proposal. Please let's sell them now. I've 2 shares.

I guess if we need a majority, that is 101 shares.  I hold 40 shares + your 2 = 42.

The proposal is that the 4 KNC Jupiters be sold immediately, pricing them to ensure a quick sale. Of course we would not accept a lowball offer.  Current street price can be estimated from the BTC marketplace as well as eBay.  Shareholders to approve final selling price.  Net proceeds to be distributed to the shareholders.

Shareholders, please respond with your vote.

Edit: GB coordinators; DZ, Thomas, et al, if there is a different way we should go about this, please let us know how to proceed.

I agree, my 5 shares vote for sale.

M

[BorisAlt]

My 2 measly shares  vote for sale as well. I don't think DZMC will be against selling

I got my 0.05 payout this morning. Thank you. I don't understand why this payout is half of the previous, but I don't care much at this point. So much drama in this business

The really sad part is this GB was one of the most successful hosted mining runs compared to others.

[gh2k]

My 15 shares say sell.

[deepminer]

I only got 1 share in this GB. My vote is sell.

[smooth]

One share in favor of selling

[Goldstien]

5 shares in favour to sell

[rudyo]

Looks like so far we have the following in favor of an immediate sale:

rudyo 40
railzand 2
mdude77 5
borisalt 2
gh2k 15
deepminer 1
smooth 1
goldstien 5

Total: 71 votes

Still need 30 more share votes... anyone else?

[thundertoe]

10 shares sell

[rudyo]

Anyone else?  The difficulty is now 3,129,573,175 and the daily BTC from these 4 miners is only .4178.

This will make the payout less than the last one, ~5.8 BTC gross, ~4.8 BTC after expenses.

We really need to get these sold ASAP.


rudyo 40
railzand 2
mdude77 5
borisalt 2
gh2k 15
deepminer 1
smooth 1
goldstien 5
thundertoe 10

Total: 81 votes

Still need 20 more share votes... anyone else?

[Miramyn]

4 more in favour of selling

[railzand]

@dz, thomas, bobsag, thyatis

perhaps you could step in. don't you own shares? if you vote to sell, we can sell two jupes.

meanwhile, could you pm other shareholders, make them aware of the 'proposition', their inaction may cost them dear.

[rudyo]

@dz, thomas, bobsag, thyatis

perhaps you could step in. don't you own shares? if you vote to sell, we can sell two jupes.

meanwhile, could you pm other shareholders, make them aware of the 'proposition', their inaction may cost them dear.

Yes... we are at 85 votes, 16 short of a majority and precious time is ticking away. The hardware value of these Jupiters decreases daily.

admins, can you please assist us?  How can we get this proposal moving?

Rudyo

[railzand]

perhaps an insult would help, as in the other dz threads

[Thyatis]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

[rudyo]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

That may be true... but could you possible PM, IM, skype or email Thomas or DZ or Bob and let them know what we would like to do?

Thanks

[thomas_s]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

That may be true... but could you possible PM, IM, skype or email Thomas or DZ or Bob and let them know what we would like to do?

Thanks

A vote to sell will be put out later tonight, similar to R9-12 as we have no buyer the choice to sell will be based on market price.

[mdude77]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

That may be true... but could you possible PM, IM, skype or email Thomas or DZ or Bob and let them know what we would like to do?

Thanks

A vote to sell will be put out later tonight, similar to R9-12 as we have no buyer the choice to sell will be based on market price.

where will this vote be?

M

[thomas_s]

Post your vote here


BTC address, number of shares and your vote


Each jupiter will be sold for 5.5 BTC the vote will end on 101 votes or Sunday 11:59PM mountain time.

[rudyo]

1DZCoopwn7gHR5sNCxmmHQfQPUX8bedrrC
40 Shares
Sell ASAP!

[smooth]

1 share
sell
161VyAi9kr4ekN7yhPbQxjJu6LJV1WVcTN

[railzand]

sell
2 shares
1NgLGEQZJeYx1QyNFKej3n6AW2954UsjgC
1EyaPksMN1BPrXE3jdn8M1dXVPd8KDqkDT

thank you

[DyslexicZombei]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

That may be true... but could you possible PM, IM, skype or email Thomas or DZ or Bob and let them know what we would like to do?

Thanks

A vote to sell will be put out later tonight, similar to R9-12 as we have no buyer the choice to sell will be based on market price.

where will this vote be?

M

It should come in via email if you haven't seen it yet.

If a decent buyer and marketplace can be found than I say go for it. Coingig is a good option with built in escrow and their fees aren't anywhere as bad as eBay IMO.

[mdude77]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

That may be true... but could you possible PM, IM, skype or email Thomas or DZ or Bob and let them know what we would like to do?

Thanks

A vote to sell will be put out later tonight, similar to R9-12 as we have no buyer the choice to sell will be based on market price.

where will this vote be?

M

It should come in via email if you haven't seen it yet.

If a decent buyer and marketplace can be found than I say go for it. Coingig is a good option with built in escrow and their fees aren't anywhere as bad as eBay IMO.

Did not get an email. 

1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw
5 shares
sell


M

[thomas_s]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

That may be true... but could you possible PM, IM, skype or email Thomas or DZ or Bob and let them know what we would like to do?

Thanks

A vote to sell will be put out later tonight, similar to R9-12 as we have no buyer the choice to sell will be based on market price.

where will this vote be?

M

It should come in via email if you haven't seen it yet.

If a decent buyer and marketplace can be found than I say go for it. Coingig is a good option with built in escrow and their fees aren't anywhere as bad as eBay IMO.

Did not get an email. 

1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw
5 shares
sell


M

Few people could sign a message like the instructions asked in R9-12, public voting seems the easiest way.

[vanycon]

I do not own any shares here, plus it would be a conflict of interest if i did have shares to vote.

That may be true... but could you possible PM, IM, skype or email Thomas or DZ or Bob and let them know what we would like to do?

Thanks

A vote to sell will be put out later tonight, similar to R9-12 as we have no buyer the choice to sell will be based on market price.

where will this vote be?

M

It should come in via email if you haven't seen it yet.

If a decent buyer and marketplace can be found than I say go for it. Coingig is a good option with built in escrow and their fees aren't anywhere as bad as eBay IMO.

Did not get an email. 

1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw
5 shares
sell


M

also no email here...

[Tiennou74]

No email here - where are we selling them?

[rudyo]

The voting is to be done in this thread.  I don't think any email was sent out or will be sent out (correct me if this is wrong)

Thomas posted the following message late last night, indicating for each shareholder to post your payment address, # of shares and your vote as a reply to this thread.

Post your vote here


BTC address, number of shares and your vote


Each jupiter will be sold for 5.5 BTC the vote will end on 101 votes or Sunday 11:59PM mountain time.

My forum post outlines the current revenue scenario, BTC difficulty increases and some future scenarios, all which seem pretty negative. 
You can read it here, I welcome positive discussion on this!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5172574#msg5172574

We only have until Sunday at midnight, so please place your votes!  I am obviously heavily in favor of a sell.

[thundertoe]

no email received

sell

1B2CMeArfvGdf4vcUzq8x1fk6cGAUsoBBK  6 shares
1CN5nsw7fvZcrM7ChAv4YUuQoCddjj9uKj  4 shares

10 shares sell

[railzand]

I heard Coingig is closing down. Can we get in and out fast enough?

Sunday deadline should be extended, though, till people who are unaware get their emails.

[bobsag3]

I heard Coingig is closing down. Can we get in and out fast enough?

Sunday deadline should be extended, though, till people who are unaware get their emails.

The short deadline is because of a timeline imposed by the buying party, not our choice.

[railzand]

ok that's great, it just seems not everyone is aware they need to get a move on

[Schwede65]

sorry, a bit late for me - but not too late

1CxmN2zvUfbUs2LaXr1wvi4M75Uy7mYNqc
56 shares
sell - o.k.

[mdude77]

I heard Coingig is closing down. Can we get in and out fast enough?

Sunday deadline should be extended, though, till people who are unaware get their emails.

what emails?  I've seen lots of folks say no email... myself included.

M

[deepminer]

1Nvf3umWPi3DWXbi8uQB26TmSeHFHnoiMy
1 share
Sell

[gh2k]

1FjdDLsr92xN9znv1WM5qjQhMDZh3vZABT: 15 shares sell

IPKE+Lsh0Du6APcs93mbY5/Si1fhJeNQqriNgw+oTLPHvudhr4oJ30pks4ZskvGVYqi0mTJLgtue9W6xSdSI23A=

Sorry for the delay.

[rudyo]

It would appear that we have 130 votes to sell out of 200 total, so clearly a majority.

Can we now move forward with the sale ASAP?

Did you say there is a buyer?

[thomas_s]

1DZCoopwn7gHR5sNCxmmHQfQPUX8bedrrC - 40 shares - sell  -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276457#msg5276457
161VyAi9kr4ekN7yhPbQxjJu6LJV1WVcTN    - 1 share     - sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276635#msg5276635
1NgLGEQZJeYx1QyNFKej3n6AW2954UsjgC  - 1 share    - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1EyaPksMN1BPrXE3jdn8M1dXVPd8KDqkDT  - 1 share    -  sell    -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw  - 5 shares   - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5280278#msg5280278
1B2CMeArfvGdf4vcUzq8x1fk6cGAUsoBBK  -  6 shares  - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CN5nsw7fvZcrM7ChAv4YUuQoCddjj9uKj  - 4 shares  - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CxmN2zvUfbUs2LaXr1wvi4M75Uy7mYNqc  - 56 shares -sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5297035#msg5297035
1Nvf3umWPi3DWXbi8uQB26TmSeHFHnoiMy  - 1 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5299143#msg5299143
1FjdDLsr92xN9znv1WM5qjQhMDZh3vZABT -  15 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5306055#msg5306055

Total sells = 130

Units will be sold for 22 BTC

[bobsag3]

1DZCoopwn7gHR5sNCxmmHQfQPUX8bedrrC - 40 shares - sell  -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276457#msg5276457
161VyAi9kr4ekN7yhPbQxjJu6LJV1WVcTN    - 1 share     - sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276635#msg5276635
1NgLGEQZJeYx1QyNFKej3n6AW2954UsjgC  - 1 share    - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1EyaPksMN1BPrXE3jdn8M1dXVPd8KDqkDT  - 1 share    -  sell    -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw  - 5 shares   - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5280278#msg5280278
1B2CMeArfvGdf4vcUzq8x1fk6cGAUsoBBK  -  6 shares  - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CN5nsw7fvZcrM7ChAv4YUuQoCddjj9uKj  - 4 shares  - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CxmN2zvUfbUs2LaXr1wvi4M75Uy7mYNqc  - 56 shares -sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5297035#msg5297035
1Nvf3umWPi3DWXbi8uQB26TmSeHFHnoiMy  - 1 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5299143#msg5299143
1FjdDLsr92xN9znv1WM5qjQhMDZh3vZABT -  15 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5306055#msg5306055

Total sells = 130

Units will be sold for 22 BTC

We should receive the BTC today, witch like R9-12 will be added to the payout pool address then distributed per share.

[railzand]

Thank you so much

[gh2k]

Thanks guys, very efficient. Positive ROI by all measures. What more can we ask for?

[vanycon]

Thanks guys, very efficient. Positive ROI by all measures. What more can we ask for?

of course

[rudyo]

I'm curious, where were they sold and who bought them?

With the decline in BTC, 5.5BTC is a pretty good deal - ~$3000 each.

I look forward to the final payout.

Thanks for getting this done.

[mdude77]

1DZCoopwn7gHR5sNCxmmHQfQPUX8bedrrC - 40 shares - sell  -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276457#msg5276457
161VyAi9kr4ekN7yhPbQxjJu6LJV1WVcTN    - 1 share     - sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276635#msg5276635
1NgLGEQZJeYx1QyNFKej3n6AW2954UsjgC  - 1 share    - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1EyaPksMN1BPrXE3jdn8M1dXVPd8KDqkDT  - 1 share    -  sell    -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw  - 5 shares   - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5280278#msg5280278
1B2CMeArfvGdf4vcUzq8x1fk6cGAUsoBBK  -  6 shares  - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CN5nsw7fvZcrM7ChAv4YUuQoCddjj9uKj  - 4 shares  - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CxmN2zvUfbUs2LaXr1wvi4M75Uy7mYNqc  - 56 shares -sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5297035#msg5297035
1Nvf3umWPi3DWXbi8uQB26TmSeHFHnoiMy  - 1 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5299143#msg5299143
1FjdDLsr92xN9znv1WM5qjQhMDZh3vZABT -  15 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5306055#msg5306055

Total sells = 130

Units will be sold for 22 BTC

We should receive the BTC today, witch like R9-12 will be added to the payout pool address then distributed per share.

This was 24 hrs ago.  Did the sale occur?  When are payouts occurring?

M

[bobsag3]

1DZCoopwn7gHR5sNCxmmHQfQPUX8bedrrC - 40 shares - sell  -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276457#msg5276457
161VyAi9kr4ekN7yhPbQxjJu6LJV1WVcTN    - 1 share     - sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276635#msg5276635
1NgLGEQZJeYx1QyNFKej3n6AW2954UsjgC  - 1 share    - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1EyaPksMN1BPrXE3jdn8M1dXVPd8KDqkDT  - 1 share    -  sell    -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw  - 5 shares   - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5280278#msg5280278
1B2CMeArfvGdf4vcUzq8x1fk6cGAUsoBBK  -  6 shares  - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CN5nsw7fvZcrM7ChAv4YUuQoCddjj9uKj  - 4 shares  - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CxmN2zvUfbUs2LaXr1wvi4M75Uy7mYNqc  - 56 shares -sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5297035#msg5297035
1Nvf3umWPi3DWXbi8uQB26TmSeHFHnoiMy  - 1 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5299143#msg5299143
1FjdDLsr92xN9znv1WM5qjQhMDZh3vZABT -  15 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5306055#msg5306055

Total sells = 130

Units will be sold for 22 BTC

We should receive the BTC today, witch like R9-12 will be added to the payout pool address then distributed per share.

This was 24 hrs ago.  Did the sale occur?  When are payouts occurring?

M

BTC was sent yesturday to the payout, thomas should be distributing tonight.

[rudyo]

1DZCoopwn7gHR5sNCxmmHQfQPUX8bedrrC - 40 shares - sell  -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276457#msg5276457
161VyAi9kr4ekN7yhPbQxjJu6LJV1WVcTN    - 1 share     - sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276635#msg5276635
1NgLGEQZJeYx1QyNFKej3n6AW2954UsjgC  - 1 share    - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1EyaPksMN1BPrXE3jdn8M1dXVPd8KDqkDT  - 1 share    -  sell    -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw  - 5 shares   - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5280278#msg5280278
1B2CMeArfvGdf4vcUzq8x1fk6cGAUsoBBK  -  6 shares  - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CN5nsw7fvZcrM7ChAv4YUuQoCddjj9uKj  - 4 shares  - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CxmN2zvUfbUs2LaXr1wvi4M75Uy7mYNqc  - 56 shares -sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5297035#msg5297035
1Nvf3umWPi3DWXbi8uQB26TmSeHFHnoiMy  - 1 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5299143#msg5299143
1FjdDLsr92xN9znv1WM5qjQhMDZh3vZABT -  15 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5306055#msg5306055

Total sells = 130

Units will be sold for 22 BTC

We should receive the BTC today, witch like R9-12 will be added to the payout pool address then distributed per share.

This was 24 hrs ago.  Did the sale occur?  When are payouts occurring?

M

BTC was sent yesturday to the payout, thomas should be distributing tonight.

Still haven't seen any payout, can someone confirm they have or haven't been sent?

[thomas_s]

1DZCoopwn7gHR5sNCxmmHQfQPUX8bedrrC - 40 shares - sell  -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276457#msg5276457
161VyAi9kr4ekN7yhPbQxjJu6LJV1WVcTN    - 1 share     - sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276635#msg5276635
1NgLGEQZJeYx1QyNFKej3n6AW2954UsjgC  - 1 share    - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1EyaPksMN1BPrXE3jdn8M1dXVPd8KDqkDT  - 1 share    -  sell    -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5276751#msg5276751
1MPvcyFpvoJSqaoE2ja68MSsBvKrjoTQaw  - 5 shares   - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5280278#msg5280278
1B2CMeArfvGdf4vcUzq8x1fk6cGAUsoBBK  -  6 shares  - sell     - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CN5nsw7fvZcrM7ChAv4YUuQoCddjj9uKj  - 4 shares  - sell    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5289158#msg5289158
1CxmN2zvUfbUs2LaXr1wvi4M75Uy7mYNqc  - 56 shares -sell   - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5297035#msg5297035
1Nvf3umWPi3DWXbi8uQB26TmSeHFHnoiMy  - 1 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5299143#msg5299143
1FjdDLsr92xN9znv1WM5qjQhMDZh3vZABT -  15 shares  - sell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368000.msg5306055#msg5306055

Total sells = 130

Units will be sold for 22 BTC

We should receive the BTC today, witch like R9-12 will be added to the payout pool address then distributed per share.

This was 24 hrs ago.  Did the sale occur?  When are payouts occurring?

M

BTC was sent yesturday to the payout, thomas should be distributing tonight.

Still haven't seen any payout, can someone confirm they have or haven't been sent?

They haven't I'm making sure I have all the NMC accounted for and sold off before I do it.

[gh2k]

Got my payout. Thanks for a profitable group buy to everyone concerned. Very happy.  

[railzand]

Got my payout. Thanks for a profitable group buy to everyone concerned. Very happy.  

me too. thanks a million, lads. onwards and upwards

[BorisAlt]

I got the payout. I haven't calculated the ROI yet bust it's over 10% for sure.

[Tiennou74]

I'm seeing 0% BTC ROI. (Paid .35 per shares got .35 back)
But still ok

[gh2k]

I'm seeing 0% BTC ROI. (Paid .35 per shares got .35 back)
But still ok

I'm seeing payout as ~0.351 yes, but I'm fairly sure I paid closer to 0.32. Might depend on date of order or round, I guess.

[vanycon]

got my payment, thank you all for this great groupbuy !

I let you some trust here (:

[smooth]

I'm seeing 0% BTC ROI. (Paid .35 per shares got .35 back)
But still ok

I'm seeing payout as ~0.351 yes, but I'm fairly sure I paid closer to 0.32. Might depend on date of order or round, I guess.

My BTC ROI was very slightly negative as well, and yes I'm pretty sure it depended on your date of buy in. These GBs were usually priced in dollars, with BTC conversion at the time of order.

[aigeezer]

Just got my payout, thanks. I hadn't been following the thread so I had no idea what it was for at first.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Lets clear some things up.

Power was on at the facility from Hour #1. Comcast was not installed untill 5 days later. We still had internet and were mining during that time- just not on comcast.
What we didnt have untill last week was the UPGRADED power, IE the additional pulls.

For the move itself we were down no more than 72 hours. Anything beyond that was equipment problems, as in most of the jupiters and a few of the ants did not like the move for whatever reason.

Not to mention that picture- was taken before the move, before the coop's equipment was packed up. You cant even see the 3/4 of the place that is finished.

I would LOVE for some things to be cleared up.  How about full disclosure and honest transparency as a start?

(link to picture removed to save space)

Bout 2 weeks ago, very much under construction.
And yes, that is a quakecon sign

January 15th less 2 weeks =January 1st, 2 days after the move.

When you were asked what was in the back corner, you yourself commented "KnC, Redhash, and some Ants"

So if 3/4 of the facility is done and complete at the time of this picture, why wouldn't or couldn't you show us that?  Maybe because you didn't share virtually anything with us?  The silence was deafening.

Lol! But I see some actual mining gear in the back, Knc maybe?

KnC, Redhash, and some Ants

On Jan 2 (+72 hours) Mapuao posted

Worker 1 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 2 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 3 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 4 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s

Whats going on?
Clear answer, PLEASE!

On Jan 3 (+96 hours) madpoet posted

1 of the 4 online.  This is just nuts.  I do this for a living and would be fired if I left my clients down like this.  

On Jan 3 (+96 hours - 4 days) you tell us:

Updates really quick:

We have now moved from our 2k facility, to a brand new 7k facility.

Reasons for delays in getting hash rate up:
-No power till wednesday, due to storms and holiday
-New facility STILL does not have internet, have been using 4G LTE backup until ISP finishes install
-One of the existing breaker boxes in the facility blew completely the first night, electricians are now replacing and massively upgrading the power and cooling here as I type this
-Delays in parts, the storms + 2 holidays caused ~50% of my parts for setup to be delayed, massively increasing my time needed to get things up and running
- Half of the jupiters stopped working from unplug-repluf in 14 hours later. Every single Antminer I have, as well as the avalons and BF had no problems, but I now have ~8 jupiters to diagnose.

As of now, R15/16_2 and R15/16_4 are running at full speed, with the next 2 being worked on right now.

I am very sorry for all of this lost hash rate, but I have done everything within my limited power to get this stuff up and running ASAP. I still don't have a bed, or internet at my apartment, so even communication has been difficult. I expect to have everything up and running 100% by the end of tomorrow, if not by sunday.

Also if I get one more fucking 502 error while trying to post ill kill something.

On January 4th (+120 hours = 5 days) All miners were at 0

 

Epic FAIL  

Then 2 miners started working sporadically for quite a few days.

Oj January 6 (7 days) Thomas posts that you are still yet moving equipment to a new breaker and scolds us for asking for updates.  We have been down 7 days at this point, a solid !@#$%^& week and he tells us "On another note we do have other things we need to get done than post a second by second breakdown of what's going on"

Did we EVER ask for second by second updates? We are 7 days into an outage with virtually NO information and we are basically told to quit asking!

On January 6 Thomas posts

I would venture to guess that worker 2 is dead. Either that or my F5 voodoo is failing.

Its the breaker that's being installed, power needs to be split up as to not blow everything.

I thought that the "new power" was already in and "upgraded"?  Yet you still maintain: "For the move itself we were down no more than 72 hours. Anything beyond that was equipment problems,"   At day 7 you were still messing with power, that is not an equipment problem.


The bottom line here is as I originally posted, the moved was botched, plain and simple.  This thread is proof of that.  We were told it was competent IT professionals hosting our investment "at a world class hosting facility". It is clear that was not the case.  You aren't fooling anyone on the thread, I have received quite a number of PM's in support of my stance and my vocal approach. I welcome any responses, public or private.

I exchanged quite a number of PM's with DZ during the outage and based on those decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, figuring you would do the right thing.  That clearly did not happen.  $150 off of hosting is a pittance.  Your botched move cost us 7BTC,  ~$5500!

It is disingenuous and incredibly insulting to all here that the blame is always placed elsewhere and no real responsibility is taken.  I am OK losing money to increasing difficulty, market conditions, low BTC value, true Acts of God etc.  Those are all real issues that are truly outside anyones control.  This botched move does not fall into those categories.

We placed our $$$ and our trust in you and we got screwed, royally.

DZ is now gone, and Matt Carson was mining the whole time on a different pool and kept the ~$5,500 for himself. BTW, I bet he never thanked you for keeping his hookah supply full, did he?

Word on the street is that there's a major bust in the works, so anybody having equipment at Matt Carson farm best get it out ASAP.