▄▀▄ [ICO][SAM] ▄▀▄ Swiss Alps Energy - The Smart Mining Company ▄▀▄

[Kryptoking21]

I saw  that you are currently in tier 2 private sale,with 0.4 usd price per token.What was the price in previous tier?

0.3$ per SAM token.

Big difference,but i guess early contributors deserve the best price.

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[CptPizzard]

Whats the ROI for one of those cubes?Is it less than a year?

[tumis]

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eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
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[MaZeeCM]

Great....Awesome and really special token

Thank you!

[MaZeeCM]

Wouldnt Iceland be even better place to set up something like that,have you considered that location too?

First we have to go there to check then can say

I think that it is indisputable if project becomes successful they will easily transfer it to other States that have the appropriate climate conditions...given that fact Iceland is also an option

Yes, you right. Anyway thanks for your suggestion

[MaZeeCM]

Wouldnt Iceland be even better place to set up something like that,have you considered that location too?

First we have to go there to check then can say

Iceland seems like a solid idea simply because it is so remote and climate suits the needs, but I personally think Switzerland is ideal pick, so many unused and abandoned buildings in Alps for grabs.Hard to match that and it is in the heart of Europe which makes transport and logistics regarding SAM cubes much easier.

Great insights.

[MaZeeCM]

I saw  that you are currently in tier 2 private sale,with 0.4 usd price per token.What was the price in previous tier?

0.3$ per SAM token.

Big difference,but i guess early contributors deserve the best price.

Yes!

[swissalpsmining]

How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?

Quick calculation shows:

50 x S9 = 66 kw

4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents  etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)

So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.

Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.

The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.

In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh)  in your calculations and whitepaper.

So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.

Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).

Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.

my best regards

Sergej

PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?

thanks for the questions Sergej

In Switzerland there are about 400,000 of these buildings and about 10%, so 40,000 are usable for us.

In most cases we have to supply the electricity to the stables. The costs for the development of the first building were 30'000 CHF, but mostly 2-4 of these buildings are in the same place and we can therefore split these costs. The first stable which can be seen in the video has 2 more next door and all 3 are now useable. Therefore, the costs are quite acceptable there.

Currently we have large scale contracts (with a minimum that we have to buy) for hydro power and we pay 5.23 cents per KW / H. When operating our own power plants, we will operate the containers next to them and operate our own network in order to not have to use the public grid. the idea is to operate small hydropowerplants (we have more then 1400 of them in switzerland), they are exempted from water taxes in switzerland. and of course they are much cheaper to buy

About the banks, currentlyl we work with a swiss bank (you can see the details when you go to our tokensale plattform) but maybe we will switch to a bank in liechtenstein because they can provide us also with wallets etc. Swiss Alps Energy is currently in process to get a SRO Member in Switzerland.

Best Regards



Swiss Alps Mining

Thank you for your feedback. 3 houses in one location means you will at least need 750A if you put a small cube in each of the houses - not many trafo stations are available close to these buildings that can supply this, and building your own trafo station costs a fortune (6digits +). How will you manage this ?

Thank you & my best regards

Sergej

Good Question we have contracts with our supplier which oblige us to purchase at least a certain amount of electricity, but it also obliges our suppliers to deliver this quantity and this also includes the necessary trafo. let me ask on monday our Head of Electric what are the exact Numbers of „A“ for a Unit One. we run more then 1 unit one in each stable but i really have to ask our Electric Guy about Numbers

Best Regards

Christian
Swiss Alps Mining ⛏

So that means that you are paying less than commercial price for the electricity?

yes we have special contracts and pay less.

[Art Vandelay]

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Native language: Polish
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Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
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eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
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You should probably do that in the bounty campaign thread,not here.

[Kvazimir]

How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?

Quick calculation shows:

50 x S9 = 66 kw

4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents  etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)

So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.

Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.

The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.

In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh)  in your calculations and whitepaper.

So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.

Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).

Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.

my best regards

Sergej

PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?

thanks for the questions Sergej

In Switzerland there are about 400,000 of these buildings and about 10%, so 40,000 are usable for us.

In most cases we have to supply the electricity to the stables. The costs for the development of the first building were 30'000 CHF, but mostly 2-4 of these buildings are in the same place and we can therefore split these costs. The first stable which can be seen in the video has 2 more next door and all 3 are now useable. Therefore, the costs are quite acceptable there.

Currently we have large scale contracts (with a minimum that we have to buy) for hydro power and we pay 5.23 cents per KW / H. When operating our own power plants, we will operate the containers next to them and operate our own network in order to not have to use the public grid. the idea is to operate small hydropowerplants (we have more then 1400 of them in switzerland), they are exempted from water taxes in switzerland. and of course they are much cheaper to buy

About the banks, currentlyl we work with a swiss bank (you can see the details when you go to our tokensale plattform) but maybe we will switch to a bank in liechtenstein because they can provide us also with wallets etc. Swiss Alps Energy is currently in process to get a SRO Member in Switzerland.

Best Regards



Swiss Alps Mining

Thank you for your feedback. 3 houses in one location means you will at least need 750A if you put a small cube in each of the houses - not many trafo stations are available close to these buildings that can supply this, and building your own trafo station costs a fortune (6digits +). How will you manage this ?

Thank you & my best regards

Sergej

Good Question we have contracts with our supplier which oblige us to purchase at least a certain amount of electricity, but it also obliges our suppliers to deliver this quantity and this also includes the necessary trafo. let me ask on monday our Head of Electric what are the exact Numbers of „A“ for a Unit One. we run more then 1 unit one in each stable but i really have to ask our Electric Guy about Numbers

Best Regards

Christian
Swiss Alps Mining ⛏

So that means that you are paying less than commercial price for the electricity?

yes we have special contracts and pay less.

Well, it is understandable that you have signed a contract with the electricity supplier, thus ensuring the quality and the required amount of power at better conditions.

Can we know with which company you signed a contract?

[SergejDoe]

Well all, i just got banned from the Telegram channel after asking what the official statement from SAM is about the fact that the team behind this is the same that launched Giracoin 2 years ago, a coin that was and is under heavy critics due to it's combination of Ponzi and Pyramid scheme.

I expect this post will get deleted as well pretty soon.

Do your own due diligence people, and pay attention who you give your money.

Sergej

[swissalpsmining]

Well all, i just got banned from the Telegram channel after asking what the official statement from SAM is about the fact that the team behind this is the same that launched Giracoin 2 years ago, a coin that was and is under heavy critics due to it's combination of Ponzi and Pyramid scheme.

I expect this post will get deleted as well pretty soon.

Do your own due diligence people, and pay attention who you give your money.

Sergej

Dear Sergey

This Channel is not to talk about Giracoin but do you think really fhat a Company in Switzerland can run a Ponzi System and get a SRO Certificate? Its pretty easy to talk bad about Projects and call them a Ponzi, but you can be sure in Switzerland it’s impossible to run a Ponzi and absolutely sure not for 2 Years!

And now pls come Back to SAM!

Thank you

[swissalpsmining]

How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?

Quick calculation shows:

50 x S9 = 66 kw

4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents  etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)

So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.

Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.

The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.

In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh)  in your calculations and whitepaper.

So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.

Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).

Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.

my best regards

Sergej

PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?

thanks for the questions Sergej

In Switzerland there are about 400,000 of these buildings and about 10%, so 40,000 are usable for us.

In most cases we have to supply the electricity to the stables. The costs for the development of the first building were 30'000 CHF, but mostly 2-4 of these buildings are in the same place and we can therefore split these costs. The first stable which can be seen in the video has 2 more next door and all 3 are now useable. Therefore, the costs are quite acceptable there.

Currently we have large scale contracts (with a minimum that we have to buy) for hydro power and we pay 5.23 cents per KW / H. When operating our own power plants, we will operate the containers next to them and operate our own network in order to not have to use the public grid. the idea is to operate small hydropowerplants (we have more then 1400 of them in switzerland), they are exempted from water taxes in switzerland. and of course they are much cheaper to buy

About the banks, currentlyl we work with a swiss bank (you can see the details when you go to our tokensale plattform) but maybe we will switch to a bank in liechtenstein because they can provide us also with wallets etc. Swiss Alps Energy is currently in process to get a SRO Member in Switzerland.

Best Regards



Swiss Alps Mining

Thank you for your feedback. 3 houses in one location means you will at least need 750A if you put a small cube in each of the houses - not many trafo stations are available close to these buildings that can supply this, and building your own trafo station costs a fortune (6digits +). How will you manage this ?

Thank you & my best regards

Sergej

Good Question we have contracts with our supplier which oblige us to purchase at least a certain amount of electricity, but it also obliges our suppliers to deliver this quantity and this also includes the necessary trafo. let me ask on monday our Head of Electric what are the exact Numbers of „A“ for a Unit One. we run more then 1 unit one in each stable but i really have to ask our Electric Guy about Numbers

Best Regards

Christian
Swiss Alps Mining ⛏

So that means that you are paying less than commercial price for the electricity?

yes we have special contracts and pay less.

Well, it is understandable that you have signed a contract with the electricity supplier, thus ensuring the quality and the required amount of power at better conditions.

Can we know with which company you signed a contract?

unfortunately we cannot give out this infos but you can easily find some
similar price offers from swiss providers in the internet.

[swissalpsmining]

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Offer to make Polish translation and to manage the topic in my native Polish

Native language: Polish
bitcointalk profile link :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1773383
Translation: Whitepaper, ANN, and Bounty Thread.
Previous Translation/ Portfolio : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNRXZZWSyyDtGPYIdGXKs9gWwODuzmckKYjaNNfc0VA/edit

eth address : 0x20221147adA60F604e702fFa947644F97bD37D77
Telegram: @typerexpert

You should probably do that in the bounty campaign thread,not here.

Any link for bounty? please 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3828417.0

[yarelydiaz]

A great idea - and the introduction of innovations is undoubtedly a big plus (like ORC system). I'm interested in the issue from a legal point of view - in this country a stable economic climate?

[swissalpsmining]

A great idea - and the introduction of innovations is undoubtedly a big plus (like ORC system). I'm interested in the issue from a legal point of view - in this country a stable economic climate?

i think actually is one of the best places in the world to run such a business.

[midjimidji]

Wow this project seems like a really nice idea.

Plus, it has an environment and energy efficiency in mind.

[switchtbit]

Intro video for this project is one of the best I've seen lately.

[opeghkil]

Wouldnt Iceland be even better place to set up something like that,have you considered that location too?

First we have to go there to check then can say

Iceland seems like a solid idea simply because it is so remote and climate suits the needs, but I personally think Switzerland is ideal pick, so many unused and abandoned buildings in Alps for grabs.Hard to match that and it is in the heart of Europe which makes transport and logistics regarding SAM cubes much easier.

Great insights.

Yeah I mean the south pole would be great in terms of cooling but its just to far.

[DoMB]

You mentioned that a single SAM cube can mine about 115 ETH and 19 BTC per year, how did you came to this numbers?

The first SAM Cubes have been equipped with mining rigs for the mining of ETH and Bitcoin. The SAM Cubes can be equipped with Asic or GPU miners, whereby a mixed model was chosen for SAM Unit 1. In the already functioning Unit 1 (4x2x2), 50 Asic miners are operated with a total capacity of 700 TH/s and several GPU rigs with a total capacity of 4000 MH/s. At this performance, currently about 115 ETH and 19 bitcoin are minted per year.

SAM Unit 1 would generate you 50*4k/2=100'000USD per Year. If you really mine 19 bitcoin per year you would better keep them yourself and sell them. It always seems fishy to me, selling something under the value it had, if you keep it for yourself