Freebitco gamblin' stream currently live :)

[TheQuin]

The "Advantage" my script gives is time.  It really is that simple.  The more time you give a person to make a rational decision,  the more likely they are to make the right decision to stop when they are ahead.

FFS. Is that it?  

That all it does? It works slowly.

Edit: You have given me an idea. I'll invent this really good system that only logs in once a week and only places one bet using 5% of the balance. It'll take years to lose everything.

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[broke_tradah]

Yes it works slowly,  how the hell do you think I live stream it 24x7.  I certainly am not going to live stream something thats over in 3 seconds.  Thats rather pointless now isnt it.  Besides,  where is the fun in 3 seconds of glory?  Its MUCH more fun to watch something slowly rise than to see it go up to the moon only to fall to 0 in the span of 2 rolls or however long you think someones session should last.  Apparently you think it's not even possible to push that inevitable loss into the future and I've been doing nothing but prove you absolutely wrong this entire time.

The difference between MY long time, and YOUR long time is utterly disgustingly huge.  My way of doing things provides action literally every second of every day.  Yours is about as boring as watching paint dry.  It's awesome to watch the bets get higher and higher and then suddenly they end in a WIN.

[TheQuin]

Apparently you think it's not even possible to push that inevitable loss into the future and I've been doing nothing but prove you absolutely wrong this entire time.

It is impossible you fool. You have no control over when the random losing streak comes. It could happen immediately.

You are not giving any advantage and anyone using this thing will lose.

[broke_tradah]

It could come immediately?  Go ahead and prove it then.  It seems my live stream is clearly incapable of producing such results.  The likelyhood of it happening on the 1st roll/session/try/whateveruwanttocallit is so stupidly low its not even worth considering.  For the same reason that expecting to win 4750x (going back to the 4750x claim thats so prominently displayed right on the Freebitco homepage) on the first roll is stupid.

Fire up your own live stream,  DL the bot,  run a test.  If it doesnt lose on the first try (you dont get to modify any of the settings either,  nor the default balance that it ships with),  I win.  Or make your own bot that uses the same settings I do.  I dont care which,  the results would be the same.  Or if you have the balls,  do it with a live balance.  I'm doing it,  why cant you.

Like I said before,  nothing proves things better than actually showing it in action and thats exactly what I do.  I dont run tests.  Everything I show is LIVE betting and I've done more than enough to prove that.  You on the otherhand,  have shown absolutely nothing other than links to theory sites.  That proves nothing unless you can prove it on a live site the same way I am doing.

I'll warn you now though,  the math required to come up with the bets that my bot makes.... will take you a long time if you attempt it by hand.  And you'll be prone to errors.  It's best to just let my bot do it for u.  lol.

[TheQuin]

It could come immediately?  Go ahead and prove it then.  It seems my live stream is clearly incapable of producing such results.  The likelyhood of it happening on the 1st roll is so stupidly low its not even worth considering.  For the same reason that expecting to win 4750x (going back to the 4750x claim thats so prominently displayed right on the Freebitco homepage) on the first roll is stupid.

You can't understand the first thing about probability to say that. However improbable a result is it still could happen the first time you try it. Like someone I know won their very first 9920x bet on another site.

Thinking that playing low odds makes it 'possible to push that inevitable loss into the future' is either deluded or just snake oil. I really can't tell which it is with you.

If you can fool people into using this then so be it but having a sensible debate with someone that comes out that nonsense isn't possible.

[broke_tradah]

So you're saying that there is absolutely NO possible way to win.  Right.  That's your stance?

Then go disprove my 2 already existing BTC transactions.  Tell me how those are fake,  and explain why the transactions match my Freebitco account along with how all the roll verification links match up.  Then explain how I knew that those 2 wins would happen,  BEFORE they happened.

There is only 1 possibility.  That I am confident in what I am doing because that confidence comes from experience of having been doing it for over a year successfully.  This debunks your claim that "its not possible to win" quite soundly.  You tried to say it was "luck" on the 1st time,  then you didnt even bother to respond when I repeated it a 2nd time.  And I'm going to be doing it a 3rd time here in the next couple days from the looks of the balance as it's riding its way back up to 0.08.  You also tried to say "oh u probably lost in between",  but all I heard were crickets when I shows the BTC transactions and the freebitco stats pages that you asked for.  Oh,  apologies,  no it wasnt crickets I guess,  it was "congratulations you got lucky".  This isnt luck.  This is a process to be sucessful.  It's not however a process to ALWAYS win.  It's just a process to be successful which is VERY different than winning EVERY time.

[TheQuin]

So you're saying that there is absolutely NO possible way to win.  Right.  That's your stance?

No, I said many times before that making more bets will make the end result converge towards the expected value. The best way to win is to make as few bets as possible and get a higher variance of luck. If that luck is in your favour then you'll win.

That's something this guy understood. https://www.crypto-games.net/player/Correy972

[broke_tradah]

Thats not true,  the longer you bet the higher the convergence?  No.  The odds are the same no matter how many times you've flipped the coin.  However you can come up with a process that helps you win more flips than you lose over time.  You could have a machine do it for instance (such as a bot).  Does it changes the odds?  Absolutely NOT.  But does it change the expected outcome?  Yes,  for a time,  until the machine breaks down or something in the environment changes..  The question is just how much time.  For my purposes,  the time it affords me is all I need to be successful,  I dont care about the time that comes after that.    Just because the theoretical end is always the same,  doesnt mean you cant be successful.  You're having major issues seeing past that fact.

Heres a question that you might understand better that uses the same exact 'eventual tragic end' theory.  Do you drive a car with confidence?  If you KNOW that the wheel is going to blow out and eventually run you into a tree,  why do you even bother driving?  More importantly,  are you being successful at getting from one place to another by driving that car thats GOING to wreck at some point if you drive it enough.
(I have the answer to this and its the same exact answer I'd give for why I use the bot,  its likely something you wont answer correctly,  I'll give you the chance though).

Theory works both ways,  it supports more than just your side of the fence.  You're choosing to only look at the eventual wreck and you're completely ignoring the success thats being had BEFORE that event occurs.

[TheQuin]

Thats not true,  the longer you bet the higher the convergence?  No.  The odds are the same no matter how many times you've flipped the coin.

Oh dear. http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Stochastic_convergence

Convergence in probability
The basic idea is that the probability of an "unusual" outcome becomes smaller and smaller as the sequence progresses.

[broke_tradah]

Convergence is BS.  It's already been disproved (or more correctly, better understood) using Entropy Criteria.  It basically allows for my car meeting tree criteria to not always end tragically due to the success had during the random events.  You didnt bother to answer it,  so I'll let you know how I would have answered since you didnt know how.

The success of getting from place to place allowed me to afford the cost of insurance.  Thereby allowing me to completely disregard any worries of wrapping the car around a tree like a bad game of twister.  It's also the same reason I am confident in driving the car.  I know how to drive it and I'm not afraid of any bad random events that I know are coming.  The same principle applies to convergence.  If the success affects the outcome enough,  convergence will fail to produce it's expected outcome in the expected time frame.  It does NOT change the outcome nor does convergence change the probability either,  but it does change the time in which the outcome occurs.

If you live life in fear of death,  you have not lived at all.  (Google that one at let me know what shows up,  exact phrase,  by putting quotes around it).

[TheQuin]

Convergence is BS.

Ok, let's do it simply by going back to the coin flip.

If you flip a coin twice then there is a high probability that the result will deviate from the expected 50/50.

If you flip 10 times then the probability of 5 tails and 5 heads is higher than it was of 1 and 1.

If you flip 100 the probability gets closer to 50/50

If you flip 1 million times the variance from 50/50 will be very small.


What is so difficult to understand about that.

Download https://bot.seuntjie.com/ and use the stats windows and you can watch it in action. The longer you leave it running there nearer luck gets to 100%

[broke_tradah]

Haha the coin and environments are not "keeping score".  It doesnt care how many times you've flipped.  The likelyhood (or more correctly probability) is STILL 50/50.  The coin flipping machine (which always flips heads),  appears to defy the odds...  How is that possible?  It's not.  It's just a tool used to help with success of avoiding an eventual truth.  This is called Entropy Criteria.  Humans have modified the environment to extend the time it would take for the inevitable to happen.    Long enough for our purposes,  we dont care about what happens after that time.

[TheQuin]

Haha the coin and environments are not "keeping score".  It doesnt care how many times you've flipped.  The likelyhood (or more correctly probability) is STILL 50/50.

No, that's the probability that the result will be the expected value, ie. that you lost to the house edge. I only used the coin flip to explain in simple terms what convergence is in statistics because you don't seem to understand.

[broke_tradah]

And since we dont care what happens after the machine flipper breaks down,  we can place confidence in the machine as long as it's operable and in good working order.  It could still break,  but the odds are so low that any rational person wouldnt lose confidence in it due to it's proven track record of always producing the same result.  The same is true with any casino bot if it's used AND developed correctly.  It can and will produce a winning result (not just mine, but any properly developed bot) long enough that the eventual losing streak is simply not going to happen any time soon which gives confidence in using it.  Does it change the odds?  No.  Does it change the theoretically probable end?  No.  But is it displaying the ability to stave off the inevitable,  yes it most certainly is.  But it's a tool,  it's not a magical get rich perpetually magic pill (like you keep insinuating),  it has to be used correctly and maintained.  Otherwise it will not perform as expected.  This is why I never deviate from the settings I've been using.  They have been proven to work well enough such that it allows me to be successful for as long as I've needed it to be.  I could care less about the eventual theoretical loss that is coming.  Why?  Because the success I've had using it (again with the insurance example) has allowed me to prepare for that event.

[TheQuin]

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So you really believe you're the first person in history to invent a betting system that can defeat a house edge over a large sample size of bets. I've done my best but arguing with a delusional fool is pointless.

I'll leave this here again but I doubt it will sink to you.

https://steemit.com/gambling/@seuntjie/why-botting-doesn-t-work-at-casinos

[broke_tradah]

I never said anything of the sort.  I've actually said the complete opposite (lots of people are successful playing with casinos,  self included).  You're the one that seems to think no one has invented a way to beat casinos or even be successful.  The evidence is all around you if you open your eyes.  Why dont you go count cards and see how long it takes that casino to ban you from coming back.  They arent banning you because they dont like the way you dress or because you're going to milk them dry into bankruptcy.  They'll ban you because you're winning more than they want you to (and its their prerogative to do so as a private business they can serve whoever they want and they choose to only serve those who are to stupid to win).  The reason casinos ban card counters is the same exact reason that people such as yourself (employee/volunteer/whatever of a casino) attack obvious threats such as my bot to the casino bottom line.

Or go ask some of the failed online casino owners why they had to close up shop.  I'd bet most of them will tell you it was due to botting of some sort that caused them to become bankrupt or not profitable enough for them to continue.  I'm already well aware of this fact and thats why I've developed it in such a way that it can be disabled should the need ever arise (no thanx to you of course lol,  you're welcome).

See,  I equate you attacking my work the same way I would view a casino attacking a card counter.  They are not "protecting the innocent".  They are protecting the casino's bottom line.  The difference is that you try to paint it like thats not what you are doing,  but your actions speak otherwise.  Does it make my opinion of you any more negative than someone else?  No,  you're just doing your job.  It is amusing to beat you up in debate though.  I hope you are paid for this.  I'd would suck for you if it were not a paid gig lol.  I cant say you'd stand a good chance of receiving a raise though with the way you've been getting beaten in debate  It might be time to dust off the ol' resume heh.

 BTW,  Dont believe everything you read.   DONT TRUST,  VERIFY.  You should try it sometime.  There is more truth to that bitcoin slogan than you could possibly imagine.  Dont believe me?  Verify it for yourself by actually trying it   You'll need to be my referral though hahaha

[TheQuin]

It is amusing to beat you up in debate though.

I've done my best but arguing with a delusional fool is pointless.

[broke_tradah]

You like to leave links,  so here is one that you should check out  

https://store.blockstream.com/product/dont-trust-verify-tshirt/

[TheQuin]

I had to go out so I didn't have time to deal with that brain fart of a previous post of yours. This conversation is about online dice betting and you use card counting as an example. If a deck isn't shuffled then the outcome isn't random so skill gives an advantage. It isn't relevant to this scenario in any way.

I have already told you this falls outside of my job description. If you weren't a wet behind the ears n00b with no clue you would know that I've been challenging people about their lack of understanding of probability and mathematics for 5 years here and only working for freebitco.in for under 2 months.

You like to leave links,  so here is one that you should check out  

https://store.blockstream.com/product/dont-trust-verify-tshirt/

I'm an oldskool Bitcoiner so of course, the motto means something. Pretty crap looking T-Shirts though. That's why I don't trust your pony live stream. It doesn't verify anything. You could have already blown up a dozen accounts over the last year and just opened new ones. Explain what the system does and someone can verify the mathematics and probabilities.

I know you are a bit lacking in understanding but I've thought of an even easier way to explain the disadvantage of making more bets that even you might be able to understand (although I'm not hopeful).

For any given betting system there is a sequence of results that will result in them hitting their maximum loss. A small sample size is less likely to contain that sequence than a large sample. Surely even the village idiot can work that out, can't you?

Download it and try it the fools says.  Yeah because a sample size of one really verifies it. Not to mention, I'm not dumb enough to install software of unknown provenance.

[SyGambler]

it's a dead discussion mate , you can't change someone's mind when he thinks that he can beat the casino
best thing to do is to just notify the newbies that come by here that there is no bot or script can make money playing casino games