Freebitco gamblin' stream currently live :)

[broke_tradah]

Erm, what I do has only been possible in the last 20-30yrs or however lomg its been with the advent of the internet.  If you check the thread you'll also see that I have already stated that this isnt possible at a brick/mortar casino,  to which you are referring.

Using your logic,  BTC should have been around for 2500yrs already.  But it hasnt.

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[TheQuin]

Erm, what I do has only been possible in the last 20-30yrs or however lomg its been with the advent of the internet.  If you check the thread you'll also see that I have already stated that this isnt possible at a brick/mortar casino,  to which you are referring.

20 or 30 years and you're the first smart dude to come along and invent a way to beat a -EV game. Yeah right. You'll find gullible fools to earn from but you're hilarious to anyone with a brain.

[broke_tradah]

The same logic could be used for BTC.  Lets play "Im TheQuinn today lets bash BTC lol".  

It took 15-20 yrs to come up with a way to distribute a database over multiple devices?  Ya right.  Thats been going on since the advent of computers.  Data striping could have done this years ago to accomplish the same thing even before the internet,  Satoshi was just a snake oil salesman who got everyone to buy his crap!  How about usenet,  it's been distributing broken up files for years,  you can even piece together a file without having all of its parts!  BTC is just hogwash smoke and mirrors!


Hahah that was fun.

BTW,  I dont claim to have "beaten" anything.  I simply push the inevitable so far into the future that it's inconsequential for my purposes.  And I certainly didnt claim to be the first at anything either.  If you read the 1st couple lines of my Readme,  I even state that there are a zillion bots that do very similar things and then point out some differences that I do compare to most other "Freebitco" bots.  Im sure there are bots for other services that have the same strategies or close to them as what I use.  I dont personally use any of them so I dont know for sure but its not that difficult.  I just dont trust anything I didnt develop myself.  Freebitco included.  I do not trust it,  but that doesnt mean I wont use it carefully.

[TheQuin]

The same logic...

The name is TheQuin, one 'n' like I told you earlier. You don't have a clue about logic. I originally thought you were just another scammer preying on the greed of the naive. As time has gone on I'm leaning towards the view that you are actually dumb enough to believe your own bullshit. That makes it impossible to reason with your logic because you don't have any.

[broke_tradah]

I'm sure thats how it appears from your view.  Thats how it appears from anyones view when they dont understand something.  In order for you to understand any of this,  you have to understand that time is just as much an element of math as the house edge.  The closest way I could tell someone how to visualize it is the geometry/trajectory example.  The smallest changes at the beginning of something affect the outcome at exponential extremes at further distances (distance in this case is time).  So those satoshis that keep getting added to the balance have a profound affect on the account balance further into the future.  If 1 satoshi is the difference between a win or loss,  I'd take that 1 satoshi to make it a win.

What you are trying to describe is a V shaped betting session.  What I describe is more like a Wedge shape.  You cannot compare the two and call them the same even if they have the same outcome with different time tables.  Different shapes are not the same.  In order for them to be the same,  they have to be equal in all formulas.

Since you mentioned odds,  the bot actually does change the odds btw.  It changes them downwards so that it can bet smaller with a higher probability of losing each individual bet.  What does this do?  Nothing as far as the outcome is concerned OTHER than to push the actual outcome further into time.  And the more time you give it,  the more likely you are to eventually win.  You just have to hope you win before the balance hits 0.  Sometimes it doesnt work out,  but most of the time,  it does as I've been showing on stream.

Maybe I use time in a sense that is foreign to you.   You do realize that Time is also your account balance right?  The more your balance has,  the more time you have to stave off the inevitable statistically perfect losing streak.  When I say "Push it so far into the future",  I am talking about stretching your balance as far as mathematically possible.  The effect of that is that it takes time to stretch the balance.  How does it do that?  Like I said,  it lowers the odds which allows you to use less of your existing balance to win the same amount as what you started with (which is 1 satoshi).

[TheQuin]

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Yeah, I was right again, you really are deluded.

[broke_tradah]

BTW,  while we're on the subject of "beating casinos".  You do realize it IS possible right?  It's well documented pretty much everywhere you look at a betting information site.  Do you want to know what the secret is?  It's VERY simple.

Drumroll please....................................................................


Have a bigger balance than the casino.

#YouWin

It wouldnt matter if it were an online casino nor a brick/mortar.  The biggest balance ALWAYS wins.  Why?  Well,  do you remember what I said about time?  Time is money.  The dude with the most time can outlast/buyout everyone else.  Money is power.  Thus time is power.

I could probably destroy freebitco if I put 4000BTC in my balance and let loose my bot on it.  We could even prove that by simulating it if you like .  Or if you have a couple extra 1000BTC laying around,  I'd be happy to let it loose on the site just to prove a point haha.  Yes,  my bot CAN rape the fuck out of any casino..... given enough time (or in your terms,  balance).

And thats not even a lot considering how much some people are walking around with.  So yes,  it IS possible to beat casinos and people do it all the time.  IDK where you got the idea that casinos are some sort of indestructible force.  They are NOT.  If one of these rich mofos gets a hold of my bot,  freebitco could beg me to disable their (or even everyone's) use of it.  I'd be more than happy to do so if they cant stop the person otherwise.  I'd be well aware of it's use since my referrals would suddenly increase like mad  However,  thats never going to happen because people with that kinda cash are not interested in taking out a small time operation like freebitco.  But if it does....  the red phone is over there on the desk.  How many other bots offer that as a feature.  None that I know of.

So yes I am WELL aware of how to beat casinos and my bot has already been developed to combat such a situation.  My goal isnt to "beat the casino".  My goal is to gain referrals so that I dont have to keep maintaining my own bot (as you see today,  I have to maintain it by emptying the account by 50% and then start it up again).  I could automate that process,  but I choose not to.  It provides me the opportunity to say "ok,  this is enough for now".  Automating that process wouldnt give me that choice.

[TheQuin]

Have a bigger balance than the casino.

Yeah, more deluded idiot.

That's why we and all casinos have a maximum win. That's a very small percentage of the bankroll. If someone gets lucky and makes a dent in the bankroll the max win is reduced. That makes the decay an exponential that can never hit zero.

Please do increase your bankroll and try. Oh but wait:

I have tested a few risky settings and taken 0.5BTC up to 3BTC but I dont have the gonads to actually try it live lol.

So maybe you are the scammer looking to fool the naive after all.

[broke_tradah]

Naa,  your reading to much into that.  Its just a "risky" setting that I wouldnt use personally.  Its completely possible if you have the gonads for it.  BTW, you realize that the "max bet/win" doesnt hit zero before a casino goes under right?  What do you think would happen if the "Max win" was 1M satoshis.  How many people would use the site other than the person who is milking it for everything it has?  No one would have the incentive to do it except the person who is RICHER than the casino.  So while that "max win" goes down,  so does the "max bet" of the person using the bot.  It would just end in a game of chicken,  who's going to quit first.  The malicious botter,  or the majorly revenue deprived casino?

My bet is on the botter since their balance will be exponentially larger than the casino from all of it's winning that it's done as well as what they walked into it with (which was already larger than the casino to begin with).  You cant argue with time

[TheQuin]

Naa,  your reading to much into that.

I'm not. If you really believed your system worked you would risk more to make more. Why just pick up pennies if you really had invented a system that worked? You could just increase everything by 10x or 100x and make that much more. You don't because you a are a fraud living off the referral incomes of the fools that believe you.

[broke_tradah]

Because I dont have the required balance to do that.  If I had 4000BTC,  I'd show you what this bot could do to freebitco.

How about this,  instead of running the live betting,  I'll give the bot 4000BTC and then let it loose and we can check it's balance again in a few days.  How much of that 4000BTC could freebitco withstand?  4K enough?  I could give it 400000BTC if that'll help.  Might not even take a few days to break the bank.  I've already got the max_bet setup so that it doesnt go over the current max_win.  I'm sure I could give it enough balance to eventually destroy whatever balance freebitco has.

So yes,  in theory, my bot CAN "beat the casino" if it's given enough time (AKA balance).  I dont care how high the "house edge" is or what maxes it puts on the wins.  You CANNOT beat time regardless of what your house edge is set to.  Every casino that has ever existed has always had a LIMITED amount of time to win from it's players.  Why?  Because time is money.  Money is time.  The more money you have,  the more time you have.  Time is infinite,  but money is not for any living being on this planet.  In order to prove that the bot can destroy a site,  it just needs to be given more time than the casino has.  Its my opinion that there are people out there that can and do have that kind of capitol kicking around when compared to a small time operation such as freebitco.

I am well aware of this and I coded my bot to be mindful of that fact.  I guess luckily so because clearly you dont understand that the casino isnt infallible with certain circumstances.  The other interesting thing is that this balance of time doesnt even need to come from 1 person.  It could actually be spread out among many.  I purposely put a collar on the bot because I understand all of these possibilities and I want no part of helping to destroy anyone's business.

And thats....... The rest of the story.  lol.  I'm fine with just the referral income once it becomes viable to stop using the bot myself.  If the referral income doesnt roll in,  I will just continue what I've been doing for the past year and that is exactly what your own suggestion was.... to use the bot myself.  I already do this (as witnessed in my year of youtube video history),  so IDK why you even bothered to mention it haha.  Convenience is actually a thing.

[broke_tradah]

Back at the office now

Here is the SS of what is currently on my live stream:

https://prnt.sc/jkaekb

And here are some of the roll verify links that come from the bet screen.

Winning roll
https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=562b4e27ca6c866d6d0389fb81341d3cbb3e4d2173ee0fe6e35e5fc936023c0a&client_seed=yUm1M51701a0YsA2&server_seed_hash=ad4018053055f05b01f5c0bcfd706500bdaf0e5828ca373b63075d6be9b89b6f&nonce=5792438

https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=636fcca4ce2d1553e5c27152242abf7c24a2a1eeff9c978582604a439f4c5c09&client_seed=yUm2M37701a0YsA2&server_seed_hash=ce0f11f6b3b3f77395ecf1ed9a239fc0d176a63521aae56eb004293fa7c4345e&nonce=5792437

https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=0e8818b825c294fe0fbb34e226905be05e6bbce454c827e9fa035bbb93bd2b27&client_seed=yUm9M65201a0YsA2&server_seed_hash=1a9156043c7691d6d26c0d004aafa8b9b628488b6a5810111515ac0f81d5e8f1&nonce=5792436

Bottom line,  these are very real

[TheQuin]

Because I dont have the required balance to do that.

That is because your system doesn't work. Anyone that had actually invented the perpetual momentum machine to make free energy sorry a betting system that worked would keep it to themselves and gradually increase the stake and base bet. They would also spread it around different sites so as to maximise their gains.

On the other hand, a scammer like you would just target dumb n00bs to earn referral income by making a script designed to maximise rollover.

Edit. Oh, frickin' lol. I just looked at your screenshot in that last post and saw it is a progressive betting system. Bring it on big boy. Convince your bank manager to lend you enough to buy that 4000 BTC. Just tell him to watch the live stream as it is so convincing. /facepalm

[broke_tradah]

It's not a progressive system,  I dont even know what that is.  I would think a progressive system progressively increases something I guess idk.  Maybe it is but I've not heard it called that before.  It's an Odds Martingale system in that it uses martingale on the odds rather than the balance.  It'll decrease the odds, then it figures out the lowest possible bet to cover the previous losses.  That's called martingale.  Most private bots use this method from what I've seen at other places that allow you to see other people's bets (such as peerbet, safedice, etc),  most public bots do not and instead just use a bet doubling thing (normal martingale).  This will not double a bet unless you configure it that way (it can be setup to use normal martingale, but I dont like it because sessions dont last nearly as long even though you bet WAY more than the way I like things which would be better for referral income),  it'll actually do the complete opposite.  It'll reduce a bet instead (which actually reduces the referral income significantly when compared to normal martingale on the same time scale) whenever it reduces the odds.  This is much different than a normal doubling type of martingale.  Sort of like a reverse martingale I guess,  idk.  It works well enough for my purposes.

And just because I dont have a certain bank roll to prove that the bot can break the bank of a casino,  doesnt mean it still cant be proven.  Like I said,  I could easily prove that with the test mode.  Also,  like I said before, the best way to "beat a casino" is simply to have a larger bankroll than the casino.  It's just that simple and it's actually not that difficult if enough people band together and assault a casino with their combined capitol.  It happens all the time with online casinos.  They come and go faster than running water.  Time = money and money = time.  The person with the biggest bankroll wins because they have the most time.  Time trumps any finite math you through at it.

[TheQuin]

I dont even know what that is.

That explains a lot.

And just because I dont have a certain bank roll to prove that the bot can break the bank of a casino,

I didn't say that. You don't trust or believe in your system enough to use any winnings to increase your stake and minimum bet to make a larger profit. If it worked you would be able to do that. You can't because you are just a lying charlatan spouting a load of pseudoscience bullshit about how you invented the time machine.

[broke_tradah]

Trust has nothing to do with anything.  Anyone with any common sense (which clearly isnt you I guess)  Would be able to read and understand all the posts where I agree with the inevitable loss scenario.  However in order to win enough to break the bank with my own current bankroll, it would take literally centuries.  Besides my goal has and never will be to break freebitcos bank or 'beating a casino' or whatever.  You brought up that idea,  not me.  I just corrected you in that it is possible where as you seem to think its not lmfao.  My goal has always been  and remains to be to make enough to fund my evolve trading account and thats it.  Nothing more,  and it does just that perfectly fine.  So to replace that income with referrals,  I might (not sure yet) need more than just my viewers because I am very successful at using this process.  Thats really the only reason I even decided to post here to begin with lol.  So your claim of distrust is just ludicrous.  If it carried any truth at all,  I simply wouldnt have been using it myself live on a stream for the last year or whatever its been now.  Your assumptions make about as much sense as putting rocks in coffee as a creamer..... which,  I need atm,  off to get coffee!

[TheQuin]

I agree with the inevitable loss scenario.

So you haven't actually got anything then.

However in order to win enough to break the bank with my own current bankroll, it would take literally centuries.

I'm not talking about breaking the bank. I'm pointing out that you only risk a small amount because you know you'll lose it. If you really believed in your system you'd reuse profits to ramp up your winnings. You don't do that because you're actually just out to get referral income.

[broke_tradah]

Nope,  the change is one of convenience, not need.  Maintaining the whole workflow is actually quite time consuming.  Referral maint would be much easier.

[TheQuin]

Nope,  the change is one of convenience, not need.

Yeah right, it would be inconvenient to win more. 

[broke_tradah]

There is more than enough history of it being profitable,  some of which I have posted here dispite your claims that it wasnt possible to begin with.  When I predicted the future,  you called it 'luck'.  Twice right here in the forums and then proved that it was very real directly afterwards.  I must be quite the prophet.

Off to meeting,  back in a few hours