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[illodin]

Yes, the amount sold is far less than amount instamined after fail fork. Lets create a new bank that will pay etokens for those who actually bought them from coinedup. It shouldn't be that much, there weren't a lot of buy demand.

[pttinh]

I think we can do like this:
1 - Restart eTOK from zero
2 - Have a beta launch for people who mined old coin in some days
3 - After that, we will have an official launch for all

Just my opinion  

[zsnorbi]

I understand what you guys are saying and that is what I prefer to do, but....

Solidchance spoke to coinedup and they said it is hard for them to undo them because there have been trades with the phantom coins.

So that means that people have bought some of them, paying with btc, and they will have nothing to show for it.  Imagine the bad publicity from that.  The btc that people made from selling the phantom coins has prob now been withdrawn.  To reverse all of that then wouldn't coined up accounts have negative btc balances? which will need to be reimbursed???

Coinedup will prob not support etoken again.  And I can't see another exchange touching us if we leave coinedup with negative btc.  I think I would prefer to have this coin with an established market than try and get it onto another exchange given the probs over the last few days.

Once again, I don't like rewarding the greedy but really there is no solution to keeping everyone happy.

I agree that coinedup balance must be egalized, but the people who bought and sold eTok while the wrong diff were warned here not to do, and etok isnt that popular to be transactioned too much outside of Bitcointalk members. I say again it was told everybody not to transaction etok. And those few peoples are nothing against those who invested in etok a lot while it was running and they would lose a lot because by accepting wrong diff coins you would flow the market with more than 80K coins mined with wrong diff while in etoks whole life were mined about 60K. This can't happen if you want this coin for something, if you just want to play with it go ahead but i won't support 150% inflationing

[Last1212]

I think better to forget about all this shit and make new fork from old chain. People who bought eTOKs low on coinedup knew what they have done and agreed on risks. Plus I don't think that a lot of people sold "new" eToks on coinedup (I think we can get the amount of new deposists  after fork was done from coinedup).

[thekekk]

I think we can do like this:
1 - Restart eTOK from zero
2 - Have a beta launch for people who mined old coin in some days
3 - After that, we will have an official launch for all

Just my opinion  

just make a new coin

[Lugren]

I think better to forget about all this shit and make new fork from old chain. People who bought eTOKs low on coinedup knew what they have done and agreed on risks. Plus I don't think that a lot of people sold "new" eToks on coinedup (I think we can get the amount of new deposists  after fork was done from coinedup).

+1

[thekekk]

I think better to forget about all this shit and make new fork from old chain. People who bought eTOKs low on coinedup knew what they have done and agreed on risks. Plus I don't think that a lot of people sold "new" eToks on coinedup (I think we can get the amount of new deposists  after fork was done from coinedup).

+1

+1

and add voting for everything you planing to do 3 people cannot decide the future of etoken

[BoeserKeller]

New fork was bugged, start over where the fork happened. It is still easy as that.
People will lose something anyway, thats what happens when things get messed up. We can reimburse those who bought etok for BTC at coinedup by building a fund for them or sth like that. Besides that I would not do too much but just correct the difficulty messup and get this coin going again. Every hour we are discussing shit back and forth is an hour of lost trust, we  need to act.

Besides, even if people lost coins or BTC ... Well life sucks and sometimes you lose if you want to make the "big deal" when bugs occur.

[badam]

New fork was bugged, start over where the fork happened. It is still easy as that.
People will lose something anyway, thats what happens when things get messed up. We can reimburse those who bought etok for BTC at coinedup by building a fund for them or sth like that. Besides that I would not do too much but just correct the difficulty messup and get this coin going again. Every hour we are discussing shit back and forth is an hour of lost trust, we  need to act.

Besides, even if people lost coins or BTC ... Well life sucks and sometimes you lose if you want to make the "big deal" when bugs occur.

+1

[Mjollnir]

New fork was bugged, start over where the fork happened. It is still easy as that.
People will lose something anyway, thats what happens when things get messed up. We can reimburse those who bought etok for BTC at coinedup by building a fund for them or sth like that. Besides that I would not do too much but just correct the difficulty messup and get this coin going again. Every hour we are discussing shit back and forth is an hour of lost trust, we  need to act.

Besides, even if people lost coins or BTC ... Well life sucks and sometimes you lose if you want to make the "big deal" when bugs occur.

I am on the same track. I also lost money letting the gpu run to crack the last block before it went clear it was fucked up.

I asked solidchance if he could ask the dev if it is possible to create a small bank. Just to get e-token going and paying coinedup. Its really the most we can do.

And after that we just see what happens. E-token will need time to recover. But cryptocoins are relative new. Who knows where we are at 2015.

[Last1212]

Every hour we are discussing shit back and forth is an hour of lost trust, we  need to act.

Well, dev made a fork in hurry, we shouldn't make the same mistake. Nowadays eToken is blocked and eTok owners cannot leave the community (he-he, good plan, isn't it ). If we make shit again we lose a lot of them, but if we don't, we reach a success.
We can make fork now, but what if dev return in 1-2 days? Get patience and wait till timeline.

[ToScA-]

Also if we keep the same name the OP owns this thread and the website,

Just rename it.

reToken.

Done.

[murkanovic]

Hi everyone, it's me again.
To clarify some things in last few pages:
- yes, I'm the owner of digiraha pools
- yes, I think I've managed to fix the bug in the instamine fork, but we need to mine three more blocks to be sure - the diff should drop to about 0.2 (new retarget window is 24 blocks, currently there have been mined 21 on "my" fork)
----
- I'm not 100% sure that I've understood the technical side correctly, but at the moment it seems to me that it is possible to drop the previous "bank" from the blockchain - those coins will be stuck in their current position and they can't be transmitted to new addresses. Old dev may try to sell his belongings as a wallet, but those coins couldn't be used. There are some details & tests that I'd need to go over before being 100% confident
- I'm willing to help out as a coder, but I have some terms that we need to go over as a community - first ones that pop into my would be:
1) disposing of the holdings of previous dev
2) mining the new bank to compensate coinedup their losses, if that's what it takes to get relisted
3) forking from the original forkblock at 42218
4) losing of superblocks or fixing their occurences - i'm not ok with predictable superblocks
5) I will compensate my time by mining a bigger block or by taking a donation from community - nothing big, normal dev payment (seems that one bigger block is needed, we have some parties to compensate)

if that's okay with you guys, lets get the ball rolling

[suncoastbuddy]

Forking at block 42117 again is what I suggested in the first place but people weren't happy with that a few days ago

It really is hard to keep everyone happy in a situation like this 

[Mjollnir]

Yeh i think this weekend we have to make a move. Even if dev comes back he has to accept that waiting one week. Knowing that the fork was bugged (he was online after that). And also that there is no team behing him (as promised) we had to move on.

So i supose.

We gut out the 100.000 coins of the old bank (Solidchance had the same idea). Greate a little bank to get it moving again. And just hold the name e-token. Its just to good

And with cutting back 100.000 coins. The coin becomes a little more rare. So good for the people who where there from the start.

[Mjollnir]

Hi everyone, it's me again.
To clarify some things in last few pages:
- yes, I'm the owner of digiraha pools
- yes, I think I've managed to fix the bug in the instamine fork, but we need to mine three more blocks to be sure - the diff should drop to about 0.2 (new retarget window is 24 blocks, currently there have been mined 21 on "my" fork)
----
- I'm not 100% sure that I've understood the technical side correctly, but at the moment it seems to me that it is possible to drop the previous "bank" from the blockchain - those coins will be stuck in their current position and they can't be transmitted to new addresses. Old dev may try to sell his belongings as a wallet, but those coins couldn't be used. There are some details & tests that I'd need to go over before being 100% confident
- I'm willing to help out as a coder, but I have some terms that we need to go over as a community - first ones that pop into my would be:
1) disposing of the holdings of previous dev
2) mining the new bank to compensate coinedup their losses, if that's what it takes to get relisted
3) forking from the original forkblock at 42218
4) losing of superblocks or fixing their occurences - i'm not ok with predictable superblocks
5) I will compensate my time by mining a bigger block or by taking a donation from community - nothing big, normal dev payment (seems that one bigger block is needed, we have some parties to compensate)

if that's okay with you guys, lets get the ball rolling

It's kinda sums up it

About point 1. We are sure of 100.000 coins. The rest (38k) is to much spread out. Also to the first miners (crash devs pool). So i supose we can not delete that. People have been traiding with it from the start.

Mabey its a good idea you get in contact with Solidchance? You got my vote to do it.

[suncoastbuddy]

Hi everyone, it's me again.
To clarify some things in last few pages:
- yes, I'm the owner of digiraha pools
- yes, I think I've managed to fix the bug in the instamine fork, but we need to mine three more blocks to be sure - the diff should drop to about 0.2 (new retarget window is 24 blocks, currently there have been mined 21 on "my" fork)
----
- I'm not 100% sure that I've understood the technical side correctly, but at the moment it seems to me that it is possible to drop the previous "bank" from the blockchain - those coins will be stuck in their current position and they can't be transmitted to new addresses. Old dev may try to sell his belongings as a wallet, but those coins couldn't be used. There are some details & tests that I'd need to go over before being 100% confident
- I'm willing to help out as a coder, but I have some terms that we need to go over as a community - first ones that pop into my would be:
1) disposing of the holdings of previous dev
2) mining the new bank to compensate coinedup their losses, if that's what it takes to get relisted
3) forking from the original forkblock at 42218
4) losing of superblocks or fixing their occurences - i'm not ok with predictable superblocks
5) I will compensate my time by mining a bigger block or by taking a donation from community - nothing big, normal dev payment (seems that one bigger block is needed, we have some parties to compensate)

if that's okay with you guys, lets get the ball rolling

sounds good providing we keep coinedup happy and I definitely agree with removing such big superblocks they are just a 51% waiting to happen imo

[suncoastbuddy]

Solidchance will be asleep at the moment, it is approx. 5am there I think

[thekekk]

super block at 50k blocks should be awarded for coinedup losses if everyones agree

[Mjollnir]

Solidchance will be asleep at the moment, it is approx. 5am there I think

oke well i know (for as far as i had contact). He has the same basic ideas. And noone is really running it ofcourse. So with enough votes.