Is Bitcoin part of the coming mark of the beast?

[BitcoinSteve]

It was just a question people, wow..

[BitChick]

It was just a question people, wow..

Sorry.  It is partially my fault.   I enjoy a good debate too much I guess. 

[BitcoinSteve]

It was just a question people, wow..

Sorry.  It is partially my fault.   I enjoy a good debate too much I guess. 

not your fault,.. if anything you helped me a lot!

[greenlion]

If you look at how COMPLETELY LEGAL cannabis businesses in Colorado are being treated by banks, it's very apparent that the ol' Greenback is already the Mark of the Beast.

[BitChick]

If you look at how COMPLETELY LEGAL cannabis businesses in Colorado are being treated by banks, it's very apparent that the ol' Greenback is already the Mark of the Beast.

I think America is actually the "Babylon" described in Revelation.   This is totally my interpretation but it seems to make sense.   It does not fare well for "Babylon" either.  Just saying.

[augustocroppo]

The book of Revelation was written around AD 95.  How would someone in that time period describe a mark on our hands to buy and sell?

What make you think he was describing anything related to our age? Did you even read the Bible properly?

http://biblehub.com/revelation/13-16.htm

It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads.

In case you do not know, slavery was abolished in many countries of the civilized word. So the above description certainly is not a reference to our civilization.

I guess what the "number" is on the mark is pretty irrelevant anyways. As a Christian I will not take a mark on my hand or forehead regardless of what it looks like to buy and sell.  I fear God too much to do that.

No need to be afraid. You will live and die without being forced to put any stupid mark in your hand or forehead to buy and sell.

But I just find it really fascinating that the Bible foretells this and I personally think that it will be barcodes.  All countries on earth are set up to scan them already.

Nope, there is many countries which are still using the old and good cash in hands to complete a transaction. No need to use a bar code scanner when people can use their own brains to remember what is the value of different goods and calculate the final price.

There is some evidence of each bar code having what could be interpreted as a 6 6 6 on it with the lines. I would think it is enough to validate what is written in Revelation anyways, that the number takes wisdom to see.  That shows that it won't be obvious, which this is not.

No, there is no evidence whatsoever and your wilful ignorance of how bar code works do not validate anything wrote in the Bible.

I know that many people think Christians are crazy. I suppose it looks that way to most people. I can see that.

Correct.

[augustocroppo]

However, today you have given me a revelation!  It is a revelation to me that anyone could infer 2,000 year old mysticism from something as harmless as a product bar code, and worse, allow that belief to affect their life. Amazing.

Agreed. I am also amazed with the misinformation people create from mere straight double lines in a bar code.

[augustocroppo]

From Revelation: "This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast."

Wisdom and insight?  This is something only God can give.

So... What God gave to the people which created the bar code? That people would have to receive wisdom and insight, otherwise how they would be able to "calculate" the number of the beast and "hide" in the bar code?

[BitChick]

From Revelation: "This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast."

Wisdom and insight?  This is something only God can give.

So... What God gave to the people which created the bar code? That people would have to receive wisdom and insight, otherwise how they would be able to "calculate" the number of the beast and "hide" in the bar code?

As for wisdom and insight, I was referring to people that will understand what the mark is. . . but never mind.

As for the people that created the barcode though, that does bring up an interesting point about how God is all knowing and outside of time.  He knew beforehand what would be used and was able to show this to John when He was writing Revelation.  Pretty cool to me, but I wouldn't expect you to think so because you think it is all crazy.

BTW, I feel like you are pretty defensive about all of this.  Are you ticked at Christians for something deeper that has happened or just annoyed at us (me) because you think we are ignorant and foolish?

[augustocroppo]

As for wisdom and insight, I was referring to people that will understand what the mark is. . . but never mind.

You did not answer the question. What people received from God to develop the bar code in 1973? How would the bar code developers be able to put the "calculated" number of the beast "hide" in the bar code if they did not received the wisdom of God in first place? Do you understand the contradiction of your statement? If that people did not received any wisdom and insight from God to know how to "calculate" the number of the beast, what made them to put the "hidden" number there? You have already implied that is not a random event, so that people had a purpose to put the "hidden" number there. Please, explain what that people received (or not received) from God to create the bar code.

As for the people that created the barcode though, that does bring up an interesting point about how God is all knowing and outside of time.  He knew beforehand what would be used and was able to show this to John when He was writing Revelation.  Pretty cool to me, but I wouldn't expect you to think so because you think it is all crazy.

Yeah, pretty cool to imagine a supra sentient being able to determine what is happening everywhere in the universe.

BTW, I feel like you are pretty defensive about all of this.  Are you ticked at Christians for something deeper that has happened or just annoyed at us (me) because you think we are ignorant and foolish?

I do not think Christians are ignorant and foolish, but sometimes their seem to be proud of their lack of understanding about certain facts. What annoys me is not your religion or your belief, but the repetitive refusal to learn from the correct information presented so far.

[greenlion]

If we want to be objective, the technological/scientific predictions in the Quran blow all of this away.

[Bitcoinpro]

If we want to be objective, the technological/scientific predictions in the Quran blow all of this away.

[BitcoinSteve]

As for wisdom and insight, I was referring to people that will understand what the mark is. . . but never mind.

You did not answer the question. What people received from God to develop the bar code in 1973? How would the bar code developers be able to put the "calculated" number of the beast "hide" in the bar code if they did not received the wisdom of God in first place? Do you understand the contradiction of your statement? If that people did not received any wisdom and insight from God to know how to "calculate" the number of the beast, what made them to put the "hidden" number there? You have already implied that is not a random event, so that people had a purpose to put the "hidden" number there. Please, explain what that people received (or not received) from God to create the bar code.

As for the people that created the barcode though, that does bring up an interesting point about how God is all knowing and outside of time.  He knew beforehand what would be used and was able to show this to John when He was writing Revelation.  Pretty cool to me, but I wouldn't expect you to think so because you think it is all crazy.

Yeah, pretty cool to imagine a supra sentient being able to determine what is happening everywhere in the universe.

BTW, I feel like you are pretty defensive about all of this.  Are you ticked at Christians for something deeper that has happened or just annoyed at us (me) because you think we are ignorant and foolish?

I do not think Christians are ignorant and foolish, but sometimes their seem to be proud of their lack of understanding about certain facts. What annoys me is not your religion or your belief, but the repetitive refusal to learn from the correct information presented so far.

Who says they werent informed by God to put the # in? Who says it was not part of Gods plan? Who says it did not all just happen coincidentally on their terms but God knew that it was to come? Why are you so defensive?

[BittBurger]

Steve - for a professed alcoholic who posts insane things about naming his future baby "Bitcoin" while web surfing in a drunken stupor, you might want to tone down the "Representing Christianity" schtick.  The two don't go together very well, and will only encourage those who dislike Christians to have another reason to call them "Hypocrites".   Shhhhh.

As for Bitchick:  you say you enjoy a "good debate" but I am afraid your style of debate is very childlike.  I used to be like you.  I went to Bible College and stood on street corners, full of starry-eyed love, "just sharing my faith" with the unsaved.  What I didn't grasp is that I was coming across like a total nutjob.  And while I (and no doubt you) viewed the "unsaved" as blind fools, they in fact were viewing me as exactly that.  And while that may make you feel empowered, it in fact hurts your case, and reduces your ability to bring anyone to believing faith.  Much of what you say is trite, as you aptly pointed out (in sarcasm).  But it is.  You need to remember you are discussing things with intellectuals here.  At least that is the demographic they are coming from.  You cannot convince an intellectual with paragraphs of unicorn and rainbows chatter.  And that is exactly how they see your words.  If you want to convince an opposing party of your viewpoint, you need to speak in a language that they can understand and respect.  Not repeatedly brag about how you have the inside scoop, and because you and Jesus are best buds, you're the only one with "wisdom" and "eyesight" to see that what you're saying is right.  You're wasting your energy, because you are not engaging these people in a manner that is going to result in a changed viewpoint. 

[davida]

Fiat currency is the true mark of the beast... (Of course that's only if you believe in the fictional book we call the bible.)

Zeitgeist the movie sums it up well. I think they also discuss the origin of 666; it predates the bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ya5qiiW6k

[pening]

Thanks but the Bible is the most sold NONFICTION book ever, wow with all the haters maybe I am on to something.. weird..

Katie Price is sold under non-fiction too, you wouldn't want to live your life like her's would you?

The barcode things fails because the guard bars are not 6, they do not look like a six unless you don't read how the bar is constructed.  You read and absorb half the information about them, then ignore the rest as its not convenient.  Though that's a common practice among bibletards.

[LostDutchman]

Christianity:

 The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

My $.02.

[Vexatious]

Maybe the person designing the barcode did it just to mess with Christian-nutjobs small brains.


Excellent troll..

Yes, at least there is some logic to that.

[Lloydie]

Those three double-bars are registration marks, just as QR codes have three squares. They are so readers can locate the image properly. They do not have any numeric value.

Sure.  There is no "numeric value."  However, are the lines there?  Those lines are the one thing that is uniform on all of the barcodes in the world. If we hold several barcodes next to each other and ask the question, "What is the one thing these all have in common?"  What would the answer be?  There would be a distinct pattern.  There would be two lines in the front, middle and the end that are identical.  If every person had to put one of these on their hands or foreheads to buy or sell what would be the one thing that they all had in common?  It would be this pattern.  Call it random if you want.  Pretend that the lines do not match the "6" in the second half of barcodes if you want.  You have that right but like the saying goes, I think if it "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, acts like a duck.  It is a duck."

Also, Revelation says that the number needs to be "calculated."  This implies it will not be obvious but it is more of a puzzle to be deciphered.  All the more reason that it is not obvious sixes but just hidden ones in the form of "spacers."

I understand your point.

[Lloydie]

Christianity:

 The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

My $.02.

It wasn't a snake. It was a serpent. But other than that it's not bad.

But you forgot the bit about the Jewish zombie dying a painful death on a cross because he believed he was doing it for the benefit of mankind.

I find that moving in a cold, cold world that doesn't give a shit about one another.