[ANN] Catcoin - 0.9.1.1 - Old thread. Locked. Please use 0.9.2 thread.

[etblvu1]

They do have nine.  

Added them so CatCoin now has it's own page on coinwik.org.

http://coinwik.org/CatCoin
If you know of other facts and links that can be added to the page, please feel free to update the page.

The wiki system does not seem to allow edits, at least without setting up an account, so I will list what you should fix here:

1. "POW/POS" change to just "POW" (there is no proof of stake in Catcoin)
2. Reduction is 50%, not 51% every 210,000 blocks
3. The network hashrate is not "1GH/s" - it is constantly changing depending on who chooses to mine the coin. This also applies to DOGE, LTC, BTC, etc. There is no fixed ratio of "half of DOGE" in terms of network hashrate. So I would take out all references to static hashrates. You could put that Catcoins were set up to be "Bitcoin in Scrypt" and has kept as many parameters the same as Bitcoin as possible, unlike many altcoins which changed more parameters.
4. I would refer news about Catcoins to this thread at bitcointalk.org, since catcoinforum.com now shows "suspended account" when I tried to go to it.

Thank you,

Etblvu1

[kisa2005]

Now someone can buy the majority stake in the catcoin for some 20K and make it their business, with strategic marketing plans, how to grow community etc. sorry but not volunteering for that calling myself...

[johnny_non]

Unfortunately until a proper algorithm is in place that doesn't have a ridiculously sensitive difficulty adjustment that creates outrageous block times cat is kind of stuck.
I have argued and argued that things are not working and even that 10 minute block times as it is were unreasonable. Only to be met with denial and argumentative resistance...

[vondi1122]

Unfortunately until a proper algorithm is in place that doesn't have a ridiculously sensitive difficulty adjustment that creates outrageous block times cat is kind of stuck.
I have argued and argued that things are not working and even that 10 minute block times as it is were unreasonable. Only to be met with denial and argumentative resistance...

Copying btc in this environment doesnt seem viable... .

[johnny_non]

Unfortunately until a proper algorithm is in place that doesn't have a ridiculously sensitive difficulty adjustment that creates outrageous block times cat is kind of stuck.
I have argued and argued that things are not working and even that 10 minute block times as it is were unreasonable. Only to be met with denial and argumentative resistance...

Copying btc in this environment doesnt seem viable... .

I agree i think cat should be agile and fast I have argued for 1 minute block times Others think cat should be a lazy loaf about
Some have even denied any problem with the current algorithm and accused me of trying to kill the coin for not wanting to try to sell a coin that couldn't be spent.
Honestly who wants to wait 16 hours for a transaction to be fully cleared. I can't think of any one. Please enlighten me if you can...

[vondi1122]

Unfortunately until a proper algorithm is in place that doesn't have a ridiculously sensitive difficulty adjustment that creates outrageous block times cat is kind of stuck.
I have argued and argued that things are not working and even that 10 minute block times as it is were unreasonable. Only to be met with denial and argumentative resistance...

Copying btc in this environment doesnt seem viable... .

I agree i think cat should be agile and fast I have argued for 1 minute block times Others think cat should be a lazy loaf about
Some have even denied any problem with the current algorithm and accused me of trying to kill the coin for not wanting to try to sell a coin that couldn't be spent.
Honestly who wants to wait 16 hours for a transaction to be fully cleared. I can't think of any one. Please enlighten me if you can...

Why dont we make an appointment in the irc channel and discuss what we want catcoin to be like in the present and the future? I think we, catcoin devs and supporters, need to do this to make a plan and to see who still is actually with this coin. Let's do it. The longer we hesitate, the more harmful for this coin.

Please consider this, if you consider catcatoin worthy to exist in the future.

My appreciation for all supporters
vondi1122

[etblvu1]

Hi Vondi and other catcoin supporters,

I have set up #catcoin-awg on the freenode network for discussion about the future of Catcoin. Please feel free to join and lurk or participate using the rules 1) stay on-topic (future of Catcoins, pros/cons of any suggested features, and relevant crypto topics), not to flood the channel with too many messages with too little content crowding out other people who want to participate, and be cordial/respectful of other participants.

Etblvu1

[Blaksmith]

Hi Vondi and other catcoin supporters,

I have set up #catcoin-awg on the freenode network for discussion about the future of Catcoin. Please feel free to join and lurk or participate using the rules 1) stay on-topic (future of Catcoins, pros/cons of any suggested features, and relevant crypto topics), not to flood the channel with too many messages with too little content crowding out other people who want to participate, and be cordial/respectful of other participants.

Etblvu1

Why make it a different channel? That's what the #catcoin-dev channel is for!  Splitting it into yet another channel, does just as much damage as not doing anything at all.

[wangwan]

Any new service, game, feature, add-on or something to help the price and volume rise?

I would've had the same question, since the crypto scene seems to shift a little bit, e.g. "true anonymity" (DRKcoin), new hashingalgorithms and pow vs pos. Can we maybe do a brainstorm on what the future for catcoin should look like? I think there are some things we need to adapt to.

Greetings Vondi1122

Great, this is a good step towards even better community.

[etblvu1]

Why make it a different channel? That's what the #catcoin-dev channel is for!  Splitting it into yet another channel, does just as much damage as not doing anything at all.

The "official" spokesperson whom you know and to my knowledge with whom you have never disagreed on the subject publicly, has repeatedly declared that the channel is for "official devs only," and with operator privileges for the channel, has kicked people out of the channel, for not being a member of the "official devs" group, and has excluded people from participation for partisan reasons or personality conflict or failure to toe the party line. I am not the only one who has seen this in action. It can be a very alienating environment for anybody who shows up enthusiastic with ideas, only to be shot down, kicked out, defamed, etc. This is symptomatic of what ails Catcoin.

If there are to be any fresh ideas, it certainly would not make any sense to force people to meet only in such an environment. I submit that if the environment was not so alienating, people would have already shown up and contributed constructive ideas some of which would have gotten implemented and the coin would be more successful. So the status quo has had about six months to show what it's made of, and what we have is 98% loss of value compared to Bitcoins, ridiculous mean time between blocks still not being resolved (only ONE block generated for the entire duration of 24 hours of June 8, seriously???), and no news of how/when it might be resolved.

Catcoin deserves better than this. People who do not agree with the way it is being managed have the right to communicate with each other and come to a new consensus to present the developers, without the process of that discussion itself being subjected to to the same alienating, berating, defaming, kicking out that has prevented the coin from moving forward in the past.

If you disagree, please feel free to express that, but also please support your disagreement with a report of a coherent, inspiring vision for what has changed that will make Catcoin move in a better direction over the next six months. If there is some plan in motion we don't know about, that will move Catcoin towards being a major altcoin, please share and keep us all informed moving forward, and I have no doubt it will enjoy great support especially from me.

Thank you,

Etblvu1

[Blaksmith]

Why make it a different channel? That's what the #catcoin-dev channel is for!  Splitting it into yet another channel, does just as much damage as not doing anything at all.

The "official" spokesperson whom you know and to my knowledge with whom you have never disagreed on the subject publicly, has repeatedly declared that the channel is for "official devs only," and with operator privileges for the channel, has kicked people out of the channel, for not being a member of the "official devs" group, and has excluded people from participation for partisan reasons or personality conflict or failure to toe the party line. I am not the only one who has seen this in action. It can be a very alienating environment for anybody who shows up enthusiastic with ideas, only to be shot down, kicked out, defamed, etc. This is symptomatic of what ails Catcoin.

If there are to be any fresh ideas, it certainly would not make any sense to force people to meet only in such an environment. I submit that if the environment was not so alienating, people would have already shown up and contributed constructive ideas some of which would have gotten implemented and the coin would be more successful. So the status quo has had about six months to show what it's made of, and what we have is 98% loss of value compared to Bitcoins, ridiculous mean time between blocks still not being resolved (only ONE block generated for the entire duration of 24 hours of June 8, seriously???), and no news of how/when it might be resolved.

Catcoin deserves better than this. People who do not agree with the way it is being managed have the right to communicate with each other and come to a new consensus to present the developers, without the process of that discussion itself being subjected to to the same alienating, berating, defaming, kicking out that has prevented the coin from moving forward in the past.

If you disagree, please feel free to express that, but also please support your disagreement with a report of a coherent, inspiring vision for what has changed that will make Catcoin move in a better direction over the next six months. If there is some plan in motion we don't know about, that will move Catcoin towards being a major altcoin, please share and keep us all informed moving forward, and I have no doubt it will enjoy great support especially from me.

Thank you,

Etblvu1

In not so many words, why not use ##catcoin then? there is no "Supreme Being" as I paraphrase how you put it, running that channel? (even though the person you are referring to has not been in the -dev chan for a while now).  It is an already established channel, rather than starting a new one.

[etblvu1]

In not so many words, why not use ##catcoin then? there is no "Supreme Being" as I paraphrase how you put it, running that channel? (even though the person you are referring to has not been in the -dev chan for a while now).  It is an already established channel, rather than starting a new one.

Any channel will do, as long as whoever is moderating it has reasonable rules. Or if nobody is moderating it, I guess that can work, until someone shows up and floods the channel or starts being rude. I happen to have set up the #catcoin-awg channel awhile back and happen to have ops there, so I can enforce basic decorum, but I am not opposed to anyone else moderating the discussion, as long as the rules are reasonable.

Etblvu1

[Marty19]

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[SlimePuppy]

Why make it a different channel? That's what the #catcoin-dev channel is for!  Splitting it into yet another channel, does just as much damage as not doing anything at all.

The "official" spokesperson whom you know and to my knowledge with whom you have never disagreed on the subject publicly, has repeatedly declared that the channel is for "official devs only," and with operator privileges for the channel, has kicked people out of the channel, for not being a member of the "official devs" group, and has excluded people from participation for partisan reasons or personality conflict or failure to toe the party line. I am not the only one who has seen this in action. It can be a very alienating environment for anybody who shows up enthusiastic with ideas, only to be shot down, kicked out, defamed, etc. This is symptomatic of what ails Catcoin.

In not so many words, why not use ##catcoin then? there is no "Supreme Being" as I paraphrase how you put it, running that channel? (even though the person you are referring to has not been in the -dev chan for a while now).  It is an already established channel, rather than starting a new one.

Blak - Some here are only interested in their own egos, not to be part of a solution.  I'm damn sick and tired of Eric's outrageous lies.  He's correct on one thing - I've kicked him from the channel twice.  The first was becuase the dev team was down to the 11th hour and needed to finalize code, publish it correctly, and get word to pools and exchanges.  He not only refused to help but was actively working against the team by wanting to talk about management styles or politics or his anti-socialist views.  I kicked him and others a second time to have an approximately one hour dev meeting.  All in the dev process stayed as well as the others that were actively involved.  Only the rest of the lurkers that were either not involved, not on the dev team or have made it clear in writing that they are NOT part of the team and do not WANT to be part of the team were temporarily kicked.

Eric - after making it clear you would have no part of either allowing progress or on being part of the team, you were 'hired' to build a simulator so we could perfect the algo.  You refused to code my submissions - twice - and instead worked on your own.  You again refused to be part of the dev process and refused to disclose your code because you were creating a piece of COMMERCIAL (not even open source) software (your sim) so you could cash-in.  When the time came to select the algo, your simulator proved to be worthless.  I wish we were in a formal organization because not only would I fire your passive-aggressive butt, but I'd have security escort you back to your help-desk and make sure you have about six months of grandparents with plenty of Windows XP questions queued on the telephone for you.

As for you, Johnny, you're absolutely right.  I have done both sales and marketing.  We already know that this algo works when we have miners working it - we saw that plain as day after our last fork.  No, it's not yet perfectly tuned, but we know 100% that it works when we have miners.  How do we get more miners?  We expand the community.  How do we expand the community?  We never stop marketing CAT and her community.  Any sales or marketing person that does not understand the vital importance of constantly communicating, constantly selling, constantly beating the drum of CAT doesn't deserve to be called a sales person.  And that Oprah thing?  God help us.  That's my two cents on that subject.

I was brought on to communicate with this forum and to develop the tools and processes to compile the Windows wallets.  I've done that.  I've also configured the domain name lookup and the primary seed node.  I've also donated hundreds of hours of my time, all of my mining equipment, and have spent more than $300 on computer leases to keep us moving.  I consider those domain names, the server, and my work on compiling instructions to belong to the community and will transfer those tools to the head dev.  And with that, please consider this a formal resignation.

Blak - you're a damn good programmer.  You and Troy saved our bacon at least twice.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart.  I hope the community keeps both of you on the dev team.  Community - you deserve a real dev team with useful people dedicated to the community and open source.  You deserve real marketing folks with both skill and experience in the real world and with an ability to accept criticism and a desire to learn.  We busted our asses to keep CAT alive and get her here - I hope a revitalized team will take CAT forward.

So long community.

SlimePuppy/Andy

[etblvu1]

Dear Catcoin Community,

Unless someone else wants to organize this, I volunteer to collect proposals for what will make Catcoin more useful and popular, and keep a community list of pros and cons for each proposal. The idea is to 1) first put all ideas on the table withholding judgment, then 2) brainstorm every possible pro and con for each idea. This is a process of consensus building called mind mapping.

So far on the table (on the technical side):

1. Further increase the enforced minimum spacing between blocks from the current 30 seconds, up to 2.5 minutes
2. Further increase the enforced minimum spacing between blocks from the current 30 seconds, up to 9.5 minutes
3. Change the blockchain to one block per 60 seconds, and adjust block reward to 5 coins per block
4. Implement x11 hash algorithm to replace Scrypt
5. Implement Scrypt-N hash algorithm to replace Scrypt
6. [More to be added]

On the table (on the marketing/public relation side)
1. [To be added - your idea could go here]

We can all think of ways to criticize any/all of the ideas, but let's withhold judgment for now - post your ideas. If you agree with an idea you don't need to post agreement - let others with other ideas speak - let's give everyone the opportunity to present their ideas first with no judgment and no pressures - let's all agree that there is no guarantee any idea will actually get implemented but it should be put on the table if anyone sincerely believes it can help. Once there are no more new ideas, we can go to the next step, and build up the list of pro's and cons. We should all agree in advance that we want what is best for Catcoin and we will engage in giving fair consideration to every idea with the full list of pro's and cons, and seek to narrow down and eventually select the optimum course based on all of us looking at the same information - something that will be the least amount of effort/risk for the maximum improvement.

This is what I propose we should work on right now. Others may have other ideas on what is the most constructive, and they may post their proposals if they believe something else is the most constructive thing to work on right now. I will support any reasonable proposal to move Catcoin forward.

Thank you,

Etblvu1

[Gargo]

Coinex shows the following info:

126327938    27 days ago    Withdrawal | 56.82016702 CAT
Destination: 9YbMG2hNYrVTR94xiPPeTHhw2Q5wenjQ99
TXID: 1c8d4ed50e72f0293a1e497a137d3030c56896b17599950ff9b60b738991fa38

This transaction doesn't exist even in your blockchain.

What is wrong?
If it is a problem of a coin then why don't you fix it.
If it is a problem of coinex then why do you advert this fuckin SCAM?

[Blaksmith]

Coinex shows the following info:

126327938    27 days ago    Withdrawal | 56.82016702 CAT
Destination: 9YbMG2hNYrVTR94xiPPeTHhw2Q5wenjQ99
TXID: 1c8d4ed50e72f0293a1e497a137d3030c56896b17599950ff9b60b738991fa38

This transaction doesn't exist even in your blockchain.

What is wrong?
If it is a problem of a coin then why don't you fix it.
If it is a problem of coinex then why do you advert this fuckin SCAM?

Up until 2 months ago, Coinex was good.  I have NFI what is up with them lately.  I myself have coin with them that they owe, but that is not the topic of this thread.  I agree that Coinex needs to be removed from the OP. 

[Artlover]

Up until 2 months ago, Coinex was good.  I have NFI what is up with them lately.  I myself have coin with them that they owe, but that is not the topic of this thread.  I agree that Coinex needs to be removed from the OP.

You mean at least 4 months ago.

It's been nearly 2 months now that Erundook as been completely awol from the scene, and it had already all gone to s--t a couple of months before that, back in March. 

[Blaksmith]

Up until 2 months ago, Coinex was good.  I have NFI what is up with them lately.  I myself have coin with them that they owe, but that is not the topic of this thread.  I agree that Coinex needs to be removed from the OP.

You mean at least 4 months ago.

It's been nearly 2 months now that Erundook as been completely awol from the scene, and it had already all gone to s--t a couple of months before that, back in March. 

Maybe it was about 4 months .. Time flies when life throws curve-balls at you.  After their "hacking", they were good for a couple weeks, then everything went to shit again. 

[hozer]

Now someone can buy the majority stake in the catcoin for some 20K and make it their business, with strategic marketing plans, how to grow community etc. sorry but not volunteering for that calling myself...

Well I sorta already did that with the amount of time I spent on it

The strategic marketing plan is as soon as I get some free cash flow, I'm going to buy a crapload of catcoin and clean out the catbox  (https://bitbucket.org/dahozer/catcoin/) and give Urocoin a worthy competitor for asset-backed cryptocoins with a CAT-backed coin.

A couple of months ago I included counterparty in my Catoshi version of Catcoin, and it turns out that was a good bet. I am even doing a little experiment of seeing if anyone will buy http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=SOYBEANS on bitcoin-counterparty, which I'm intending to exchange 1 SOYBEAN for 1 pound of food-grade non-gmo soybeans when I get them harvested and bagged this fall.

So the business plan is use a blockchain that I trust (catcoin) as a basis for the features of counterparty that are actually useful for hedging niche-market commodity food production items. And I need someone to help me run a web store that sells cat food and cat litter exclusively in Catcoin.

But that only works if there's a long-term predictable and stable value for Catcoin. So what I'm going to do after I buy a bunch more catcoin is *change the coin supply*, and add dePurrage (aka Demurrage) that will slowly over a few years reduce the coin supply until 1 Catcoin is worth what it cost for the privilege of being owned by a cat. That's about $10,000 US dollars at current cat-food and vet bill prices. And then if there are a bunch of speculators that push the coin value too high, we'll turn on the mining spigots and make more coins.

This is going to be controversial, so I'm not going to bother debating this with anyone else, I'm going to release the code, and you can debate by deciding if you run my code or not. If the community doesn't like it, I'll be quite happy to call it Kittycoin, the younger more impulsive sibling that forked from Catcoin at block 210,000.