[NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.---

[utopianfuture]

hi utopianfuture,

I saw about problem of the duplicate hash.  I encountered the same.  Before i manage to post mine, I saw my hash stolen by someone else.  Thinking that there is no way for me to prove its mine, I have no choice but to send another. 

Now that I saw there is a way to prove that someone stole my hash, I would like to report this guy, so that the amount will be refunded back to me.  The guy who stole my hash is:

- AutoBahn45
- stolen hash: https://blockchain.info/tx/0b00691853688b3cb549eaf0225ab6f1793d03b1f27acb7c38a3b9912f8c7bec
- post #1088, page 55, thread 1 registration

Thanks!

Give me a day to look at this issue; Thread 1 is still under auditing .

[utopianfuture]

Hi,

I sent two Tx because by the time I replied the pages had exceeded 60.
First Tx was for .008
Second Tx was for .0081 (for good luck)

Here is my original post in the reg thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4770332#msg4770332

Please confirm this is getting processed.

Thread 1 is under auditing. Please wait a few days. thanks.

[ajtan428]

Hi utopianfuture,

I see on the stakeholder list there is a possible duplicate hash on what I sent.  Please let me know how I can prove that I did send that.

Thanks!

[mladen00]

Hi,

i'm on list T2 P21-P30 no 1671 with Y mark;
but i'm also on page T2 P41-50 no 2217 with mark ''ask question''

why?

[Emill]

hey
been on the possible duplicate hash fraud list for some time now.
dont understand possible so i have sent to you 5 nxt to prove ok.
emill list number 1848
original    02 February 2014 16:27:50   14343293611098709683   450 trs id 7862693247634368544
new just now 07 February 2014 18:39:00   14343293611098709683 5 nxt trs id 15061869634982908256
Thankyou
Emill

[utopianfuture]

Hi,

i'm on list T2 P21-P30 no 1671 with Y mark;
but i'm also on page T2 P41-50 no 2217 with mark ''ask question''

why?

1 account /1 share so if your name is in the list once with Y mark then that should be enough.

[bmr1]

Hello utopianfuture,

thanks for your reply to my pm, I sent 0.045 BTC on page 22, tx f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51.
Now I see the same transaction is used on page 21.  Anyway I'd like to prove that I actually sent the fee from BTC account 1QBi6Mf3P5rBgAtNm441FrSRhfmrGTXhsJ.  Is it possible that I send a very small amount as proof?

Edit:
I checked the transaction details, perhaps, this also serves a proof: I posted on Feb. 02, 04:53 PM. The transaction belongs to block 283784, time: 04.53 PM on Feb. 02. (Please find below the details from
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51).   
The other post on page 21 was made at 02:49 PM. I'm not sure how this could happen, but the "competing" post cannot correspond to my transaction id.

Thanks in advance,
bmr1




Transaction
Short link: http://blockexplorer.com/t/AJH5FKWzxr

    Hash?: f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51
    Appeared in block 283784 (2014-02-02 16:53:31)
    Number of inputs?: 1 (Jump to inputs)
    Total BTC in?: 0.34181541
    Number of outputs: 2 (Jump to outputs)
    Total BTC out?: 0.34131541
    Size?: 225 bytes
    Fee?: 0.0005
    Raw transaction?

Inputs?
Previous output (index)?   Amount?   From address?   Type?   ScriptSig?
52b435bd8991...:1   0.34181541   1FoTy6RXN9DxwMAJidCbmJ55C9MbdycXr   Address   
304402202386eeffb0a6cdfcf8ac71fe76912466c25d61692d7795945be234488221abde0220571 0b0b74d8f4e79a40537164a24405cdde6e7c12689a0fb095988ddf3c1437b01 02fc859dde7a82bba0336dcc58820c1d31a6d0603eabf0cd76a5090aeca46f4595
Outputs?
Index?   Redeemed at input?   Amount?   To address?   Type?   ScriptPubKey?
0   ddc281f222b0...   0.29631541   1CW9Bztbj5WtiZYLjaZguzFBexUVGRXZiM   Address   
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 7e2c4869e692074b0abff54d9471fceabe8619a2 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
1   Not yet redeemed   0.045   1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ   Address   
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 d88ff0b9e2b394a010dc0c8c358777bd646d974a OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG

[utopianfuture]

hey
been on the possible duplicate hash fraud list for some time now.
dont understand possible so i have sent to you 5 nxt to prove ok.
emill list number 1848
original    02 February 2014 16:27:50   14343293611098709683   450 trs id 7862693247634368544
new just now 07 February 2014 18:39:00   14343293611098709683 5 nxt trs id 15061869634982908256
Thankyou
Emill

393   Carrera2   7862693247634368544
413   Emill   7862693247634368544

Case solved. Emill legitimate stakeholder. Carrera2 labeled "duplicate hash fraudster". Thanks Emil.

[utopianfuture]

Hello utopianfuture,

thanks for your reply to my pm, I sent 0.045 BTC on page 22, tx f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51.
Now I see the same transaction is used on page 21.  Anyway I'd like to prove that I actually sent the fee from BTC account 1QBi6Mf3P5rBgAtNm441FrSRhfmrGTXhsJ.  Is it possible that I send a very small amount as proof?

Edit:
I checked the transaction details, perhaps, this also serves a proof: I posted on Feb. 02, 04:53 PM. The transaction belongs to block 283784, time: 04.53 PM on Feb. 02. (Please find below the details from
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51).   
The other post on page 21 was made at 02:49 PM. I'm not sure how this could happen, but the "competing" post cannot correspond to my transaction id.

Thanks in advance,
bmr1




Transaction
Short link: http://blockexplorer.com/t/AJH5FKWzxr

    Hash?: f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51
    Appeared in block 283784 (2014-02-02 16:53:31)
    Number of inputs?: 1 (Jump to inputs)
    Total BTC in?: 0.34181541
    Number of outputs: 2 (Jump to outputs)
    Total BTC out?: 0.34131541
    Size?: 225 bytes
    Fee?: 0.0005
    Raw transaction?

Inputs?
Previous output (index)?   Amount?   From address?   Type?   ScriptSig?
52b435bd8991...:1   0.34181541   1FoTy6RXN9DxwMAJidCbmJ55C9MbdycXr   Address   
304402202386eeffb0a6cdfcf8ac71fe76912466c25d61692d7795945be234488221abde0220571 0b0b74d8f4e79a40537164a24405cdde6e7c12689a0fb095988ddf3c1437b01 02fc859dde7a82bba0336dcc58820c1d31a6d0603eabf0cd76a5090aeca46f4595
Outputs?
Index?   Redeemed at input?   Amount?   To address?   Type?   ScriptPubKey?
0   ddc281f222b0...   0.29631541   1CW9Bztbj5WtiZYLjaZguzFBexUVGRXZiM   Address   
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 7e2c4869e692074b0abff54d9471fceabe8619a2 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
1   Not yet redeemed   0.045   1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ   Address   
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 d88ff0b9e2b394a010dc0c8c358777bd646d974a OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG

401   cafedelmar   f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51
421   bmr1   f55b0f46e2a61323a1e27a0eccbf04d2f0e6c65df6069e40c4f7325473a46b51

Case solved. Thanks bmr1 for being pro-active.

[isaacnem]

Link here for later review https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4950796#msg4950796

farsessanus   63eb4e2ebdbc2cdb6c96e4b8ace09cbb4587103b32b189b06996e2d5227c2290
isaacnem           63eb4e2ebdbc2cdb6c96e4b8ace09cbb4587103b32b189b06996e2d5227c2290

Another case of duplicate hash. and these two posts are next to each other https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4865816#msg4865816

Then isaacnem sent a small amount https://blockchain.info/es/tx/e6e86c0f542339a5b9d70d5a1225df630263e5d9c4ee40a19f7ae0d466210a06 to prove the ownership of the sending account. so isaacnem : legitimate one and farsessanus fraudster. sorry  isaacnem for the inconvenience.

Thanks utopianfuture!

  
I am encouraging my friends to invest in NEM, now I have 5 good friends.  

If I have too many stakes, negotiate!!! we're disposed
 to send  ID.

It's good to share what we have left over. More people, more publicity, more join.

Go NEM!!! There will come a day when we will control our money, our life. The future is ours, even if it is invisible

[Seedeer]

Hi, I found 2 fraud examples in list 1:
Guy from post (#1212)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4771225#msg4771225

used a hash from my payment (#1180) 0740d57d886a95d3adb0e266debb6b6e011da67bfddbe4f6cd3da5951bb9e5c8 :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4766484#msg4766484

That is the case when the right stakeholder posted message first, but
here's the second example when the fraudster posted hash quicker than his victim:

the right stakeholder (post #1573):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4806906#msg4806906

hash
f360141c11c7eeda49388c4a1af858852db5419ce99c9d760bedfcad98dcd35d

and the fraudster(post #1548):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4805898#msg4805898

I can prove it because only me and my brother have acces to these 2 wallets.
Peace

PS. I marked them with a warning.

[mikesbmw]

Hi,

No idea how this could happen, but someone stole my tx-id BEFORE I made my post... 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4771489;topicseen#msg4771489

User Cliftonny used MY id: 2b437119ffcf5ed5de43d7d8fc623dece1119cdd37f21f63ed769ac0b1194311


Another one  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4770648;topicseen#msg4770648
User ShooterMoore used my second tx-id (Flepper): df9a45d36c9fd6be4cd7714fc2967f7a801ae8c4d596385934b8049faaf0b3f9

For my second stake of user Flepper, which is also mine (for my brother: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3667.msg34622.html#msg34622)


Would you like me to sent another small payment to prove those are mine?

[floriTor]

Hi,

I am relatively new in the crytpocurrency stuff. I was invited by a close friend of mine that it is already an stakeholder. He helped me to create a NXT accounts and transfer money to have the possibility of being a stakeholder.

I just want to made a disclaimer here, since a lot of debate has been arise about the multi account users ad the possibility of fraud. I very much agree on the egalitarian nature of the movement and honestly I am not interested into undermining the effort of the community to create a different economic movement, which I feel very much attached to. These accounts are related; I guess... it is easy for any that come with an audit to find it and also you will see that there is no interest into create more related accounts. We discussed together this issue, and decided to be open with the community by made this announce.

Thanks!

[Market6677]

A maximum of 2 accounts is that so hard to understand?
You notice now how many feel caught and defend with tall tales their share.
The best part is the lie that it is for friends and family, 99% want to share for himself.
How should Crypto function if everyone is sitting with his 20 shares? Not at all!
My 2 share later goes for the development and donations on it and not to enrich me how many there try here. That they do not even understand the so-NEM can only fail if here have some +5 shares!

[floriTor]

A maximum of 2 accounts is that so hard to understand?
You notice now how many feel caught and defend with tall tales their share.
The best part is the lie that it is for friends and family, 99% want to share for himself.
How should Crypto function if everyone is sitting with his 20 shares? Not at all!
My 2 share later goes for the development and donations on it and not to enrich me how many there try here. That they do not even understand the so-NEM can only fail if here have some +5 shares!

It is not difficult to understand. I agree with you about the fact that holding so many accounts will harm the distribution. That's the reason why I expose my case to the community. But, as far as understand the number is somewhat between 3 and 10, according to different opinions. I think 3, which represent around 0.1% of the total number of accounts, is not dumping the equal distribution and the fair principles that gobern NEM. If you (the community), decides that the minimum is 2; then I will request the refund of one of the accounts.

[j23a]

A maximum of 2 accounts is that so hard to understand?
You notice now how many feel caught and defend with tall tales their share.
The best part is the lie that it is for friends and family, 99% want to share for himself.
How should Crypto function if everyone is sitting with his 20 shares? Not at all!
My 2 share later goes for the development and donations on it and not to enrich me how many there try here. That they do not even understand the so-NEM can only fail if here have some +5 shares!

It is not difficult to understand. I agree with you about the fact that holding so many accounts will harm the distribution. That's the reason why I expose my case to the community. But, as far as understand the number is somewhat between 3 and 10, according to different opinions. I think 3, which represent around 0.1% of the total number of accounts, is not dumping the equal distribution and the fair principles that gobern NEM. If you (the community), decides that the minimum is 2; then I will request the refund of one of the accounts.

If your story is true, then it's best for the three of you to keep your account, especially being new blood to crypto, than to sell it back and have another person with multiple accounts buy in. Many of the people who would complain about your particular case don't see the bigger picture.

[djcrypto]

Hi,

I sent two Tx because by the time I replied the pages had exceeded 60.
First Tx was for .008
Second Tx was for .0081 (for good luck)

Here is my original post in the reg thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4770332#msg4770332

Please confirm this is getting processed.

[antibitcoinconsortium]

I opted as a stakeholder here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4858419#msg4858419

I accidentally copy/pasted the NXT address from the payment as transaction ID, i got marked in the list as possible hash fraudster.

I sent utopian future the proper transaction id and also edited the original post to contain the right transaction id.

sent friday 31 january 2014 16:31:22
transaction id: 1311926364865472858

I would like to get some feedback on this.
I sent PM's and posted the issue at hand here, yet nothing has been resolved.
My status in the list is still set to 'possible double hash fraudster'.

[patmast3r]

I opted as a stakeholder here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4858419#msg4858419

I accidentally copy/pasted the NXT address from the payment as transaction ID, i got marked in the list as possible hash fraudster.

I sent utopian future the proper transaction id and also edited the original post to contain the right transaction id.

sent friday 31 january 2014 16:31:22
transaction id: 1311926364865472858

I would like to get some feedback on this.
I sent PM's and posted the issue at hand here, yet nothing has been resolved.
My status in the list is still set to 'possible double hash fraudster'.

Please be a little more patient. You have done everything you have to, it'll be resolved eventually.

[c2e]

Whats the status on my share buy?

2abc731044a44d063663292cee3d5cdcb09d61a3eba18a13605bd63041f483a1

I pmed you about this before, its showing "possible duplicate hash fraudster" next to my account name on the shareholder spreadsheet.