[NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.---

[mikehoward]

Excuse me, I send you a Pm with a few bitcoin with my bitcointalk id  because  in the list
of shareholder i have a note with duplicated hash, please modify this error.


https://blockchain.info/es/tx/f5c403a08d5b8dfd5227eb64483caf3608535f3577b5c54d20de6e96704d8c77

[patmast3r]

Excuse me, I send you a Pm with a few bitcoin with my bitcointalk id  because  in the list
of shareholder i have a note with duplicated hash, please modify this error.


https://blockchain.info/es/tx/f5c403a08d5b8dfd5227eb64483caf3608535f3577b5c54d20de6e96704d8c77

I'll add a comment to the stakeholderlist. Thanks for providing proof.

[patmast3r]

hi on your plan thing it says anyone with duplicate names will be removed from stake holder list, however it also says you can claim a stake for a relative.. i did so with my own account so my name is in the list twice but i stated on the comment that it is for my brother?? i dont think i have broken any rules have i??

Unfortunately you have broken the rules.

It is correct that you are allowed to claim a second stake but only with a second account. The reson for that is that we don't need investors as much as participants. Every stakeholder should have an account because every stakeholder should participate in the movement.

However if your second stake get's removed you will not loose your money. AFAIK worst thing that can happen is being refunded.

but it doesnt say anywhere that i have to open a second account.. it states that

"In short - We can't. Multiple buy-in will be possible with multiple accounts. We also want ***you*** to have the ability to buy a NEM stake *FOR* your loved ones so they could all join the movement. However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered."

it says nothing about opening a second account.

it states that you want ME to have the ability to buy a stake FOR a relative... to me that sounds like i should be able to buy a stake for my brother from my acc.. no where does it state that i have to open a second acc? if he opens it for himself then i am not buying it for him.. by buying him a stake he is now interested and will most likely open an acc and help the community! thanks

I'm sorry but if you read this a second time you'll see that it does say it:

In short - We can't.  Multiple buy-in will be possible with multiple accounts. We also want ***you*** to have the ability to buy a NEM stake *FOR* your loved ones so they could all join the movement. However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered.

See the multiple accounts thingy ?

[patmast3r]

im sorry too but that is only when it is taken out of context!

the way it is written is misleading! it should have stated that buy ins for relatives are allowed, however to do so you must set up a second acc for your relative. this would have been much much clearer!

"4. How could you prevent multiple buy-ins ?

In short - We can't. Multiple buy-in will be possible with multiple accounts."

ie. how can you prevent sockpuppets.. you cant.. people will be able to open as many accounts as they like..

it then goes on to say

"We also want ***you*** to have the ability to buy a NEM stake *FOR* your loved ones so they could all join the movement."

these are two separate statements and do not read the way you may intend. this is very very misleading and if it had be communicated correctly this error never would have happened! if it had been written correctly i would have just opened the second account!

Well many people seem to have understood it. TBH I would never have understood it "your" way but hey...

Look it's really not that big a deal. If your brother is interested, he can open an account and claim the second stake you already bought.

[jkoil]

...

Well many people seem to have understood it. TBH I would never have understood it "your" way but hey...

Look it's really not that big a deal. If your brother is interested, he can open an account and claim the second stake you already bought.

Would that kind of procedure cause that after the IPO has ended, all the rejected buyings/reservations are again free to all?
Round 2 starts ...

[chipsman1]

Hi

I sent the payment of 0.045btc to the address specified my no given by you is 1907

Here the payment i sent from bitstamp http://imgur.com/kONIkK7

I tried to obtain the TXID from bitstamp but they sent me this http://imgur.com/m79KalO

You have not confirmed my payment, how can this be amended ?

Regards

Chips

[sbux]

I didn't have coins so I applied with the translation in Ukrainian language https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg5188380#msg5188380

This should be valid way of getting stake according to the rules https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0. Rules say:
+ Translate this thread to any other language and post it to one of that language's community, then you have reserved for a stake spot.

Also since I'm new I've posted my introduction according to the rules. Here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467027.msg5188615#msg5188615

I think my application was valid so I should get a state. But utopianfuture deleted my message:

I'm a newb, I have no BTC or NEXT coins yet.

Prof of work. I wrote about NEM to Ukrainian forum in Ukrainian language  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg5188380#msg5188380

sorry but the promotion period is over.

I'd like to appeal utopianfuture's decision.

[patmast3r]

Hi

I sent the payment of 0.045btc to the address specified my no given by you is 1907

Here the payment i sent from bitstamp http://imgur.com/kONIkK7

I tried to obtain the TXID from bitstamp but they sent me this http://imgur.com/m79KalO

You have not confirmed my payment, how can this be amended ?

Regards

Chips

Hi,

Why did you provide a screenshot and didn't just copy the hash ?
Also could you plz provide a link to your initial post ?

[NEM_coin]

as TaporizER stole my hash i've been asked to initiate a second transfer to proof that it belongs to me
i did so and replied here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5058311#msg5058311

TaporizER is claiming it's his hash ... if you ask him to transfer a small amout of BTCs a second time he wont do it for whatever reason ... 100%!

thx

[patmast3r]

I didn't have coins so I applied with the translation in Ukrainian language https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg5188380#msg5188380

This should be valid way of getting stake according to the rules https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0. Rules say:
+ Translate this thread to any other language and post it to one of that language's community, then you have reserved for a stake spot.

Also since I'm new I've posted my introduction according to the rules. Here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467027.msg5188615#msg5188615

I think my application was valid so I should get a state. But utopianfuture deleted my message:

I'm a newb, I have no BTC or NEXT coins yet.

Prof of work. I wrote about NEM to Ukrainian forum in Ukrainian language  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg5188380#msg5188380

sorry but the promotion period is over.

I'd like to appeal utopianfuture's decision.

I'm sorry but Utopian call the shots on this so I can't really do anthing.

Also the rules changed over the course of the fundraising. When a lot of logos had come in that possiblity was removed since we don't need 2k logos. Same probably goes for translations. At some point that option was removed and I guess you didn't notice.

[patmast3r]

as TaporizER stole my hash i've been asked to initiate a second transfer to proof that it belongs to me
i did so and replied here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5058311#msg5058311

TaporizER is claiming it's his hash ... if you ask him to transfer a small amout of BTCs a second time he wont do it for whatever reason ... 100%!

thx

The 2 hashes you posted don't have the same address as sender so that's no proof that you own that address. Is it possible you use an exchange (like 80% of the people eventhough people were clearly asked NOT TO) ?

Please send in a screenshot of the client or the exchange interface that shows the transaction.

[NEM_coin]

as TaporizER stole my hash i've been asked to initiate a second transfer to proof that it belongs to me
i did so and replied here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5058311#msg5058311

TaporizER is claiming it's his hash ... if you ask him to transfer a small amout of BTCs a second time he wont do it for whatever reason ... 100%!

thx

The 2 hashes you posted don't have the same address as sender so that's no proof that you own that address. Is it possible you use an exchange (like 80% of the people eventhough people were clearly asked NOT TO) ?

Please send in a screenshot of the client or the exchange interface that shows the transaction.

the client is in german but i hope that doesn't matter (grayed out my other transactions)
http://www7.pic-upload.de/21.02.14/xzvyqhn63umb.png

[patmast3r]

as TaporizER stole my hash i've been asked to initiate a second transfer to proof that it belongs to me
i did so and replied here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5058311#msg5058311

TaporizER is claiming it's his hash ... if you ask him to transfer a small amout of BTCs a second time he wont do it for whatever reason ... 100%!

thx

The 2 hashes you posted don't have the same address as sender so that's no proof that you own that address. Is it possible you use an exchange (like 80% of the people eventhough people were clearly asked NOT TO) ?

Please send in a screenshot of the client or the exchange interface that shows the transaction.

the client is in german but i hope that doesn't matter (grayed out my other transactions)

Deutsch is okay
I'll add a comment to the stakeholderlist.

[NEM_coin]

danke

[NastyTrades]

Correcting my bogus transaction. I accidentally put the wrong confirmation #.

Nasty Trades
Page 33
Sent 500 NXT
Correct Confirmation #:10591496887656065214

Could you please update your post in the registration thread as well ?

Thanks !

The thread is closed, i dont have the option to edit. It still says im a "bogus transaction".
From page 33, heres my info again:
Sent 500 NXT
Correct Confirmation #:10591496887656065214

Please keep me updated, thanks.

EDIT: I WAS TAKEN OFF THE SPREADSHEET!!! IM VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT I AM BEING LOOKED OVER

[leafer]

Hello. I'm a little worried because i belong to group 3. I knew bitcoin about 3 months ago, and later heard about bitcointalk and registered on January 24, 2014, 09:02:28 AM. This is my only account in bitcointalk. It's not easy for me to get infomation and write in [Suspicious link removed]o I have little activities here.

When I knew NEM ipo, it was February 16. I post my info on page 84 of thread 2 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.1660  And my introduction is here in introduction thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467027.140

It's my first ipo, and I just have one share as the rule. I don't want to be deleted from the list just because of new account issue. Do please take a good consideration. Thanks.

[overthetop2011]

Following is the protocol I use to make up the stakeholder list from the information in the registration thread:

1. considering every posts in registration thread in an order

2. check if a post satisfying the fee or promotion condition in that page. All valid accounts start with Y condition.

3. if the account sent a fee in, I check the transaction hash in block explorer for valid transaction and add the hash in a separate column. Invalid hashes are noted "bogus transaction" next to the accounts and change condition to blank.

4. After finishing the list for that update (10 pages). The list is sorted by transaction hashes.

5. Checking for duplicate hashes. If two accounts have the same hash, then one will be legitimate and the other is a stolen hash fraudster. A prioritization protocol is followed: if 1. veteran account vs new account then veteran account is considered legitimate and is noted with "duplicate hash"  and new account's condition changes to blank and is noted with "possible duplicate hash fraudster" ; 2. new account vs new account then the account posted the hash first is considered legitimate and is noted with "duplicate hash"  and the other account's condition changes to blank and is noted with "possible duplicate hash fraudster". All these labels will be reversed when the accounts with ""possible duplicate hash fraudster" label can provide the ultimate proof of owning the transaction hash by sending a very small amount from the same sending address of the duplicate transaction to the NEM address and notifying the public here. So the "burden of proof" falls into the accounts with blank condition and label "possible duplicate hash fraudster" but that does not mean they are proven duplicate hash fraudsters

6. After a period of of public reviewing. All cases of duplicate hashes could be solved following the above protocol.

I started following this duplicate hash checking protocol after page 30 and few cases of duplicate hashes are spotted after that. Kooream has been starting to apply the same protocol back to thread 1 to weed out all the fraudsters.

I hope this explains clearly the process I has been following and you should get the same results from the registration threads too if you do the same thing. I said the registration thread is the original list of stakeholder for that reason - anyone can construct the stakeholder list from these raw materials.

We will do another check for duplicate hash for the whole list when the fundraising is over. Ultimately, no case of duplicate should remain ambiguous following this protocol.

However, it will take sometimes so please be patient.

Why do I only update the list every 10 pages? because the fee changes every 10 pages therefore stolen hash fraudsters can only steal hashes from this range, that makes checking much easier.
    

Thanks a lot for your work.   

[j23a]

Hello. I'm a little worried because i belong to group 3. I knew bitcoin about 3 months ago, and later heard about bitcointalk and registered on January 24, 2014, 09:02:28 AM. This is my only account in bitcointalk. It's not easy for me to get infomation and write in [Suspicious link removed]o I have little activities here.

When I knew NEM ipo, it was February 16. I post my info on page 84 of thread 2 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.1660  And my introduction is here in introduction thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467027.140

It's my first ipo, and I just have one share as the rule. I don't want to be deleted from the list just because of new account issue. Do please take a good consideration. Thanks.

Nothing negative is going to happen to you just because you're in group 3.

The only thing that's ask of you is for you to be active with Nem. Comment on the discussion thread, etc.

[patmast3r]

Correcting my bogus transaction. I accidentally put the wrong confirmation #.

Nasty Trades
Page 33
Sent 500 NXT
Correct Confirmation #:10591496887656065214

Could you please update your post in the registration thread as well ?

Thanks !

The thread is closed, i dont have the option to edit. It still says im a "bogus transaction".
From page 33, heres my info again:
Sent 500 NXT
Correct Confirmation #:10591496887656065214

Please keep me updated, thanks.

EDIT: I WAS TAKEN OFF THE SPREADSHEET!!! IM VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT I AM BEING LOOKED OVER

You are still in the spread sheet. However I can't find any TX with 10591496887656065214. In fact block explorer can't find anything not even an account.

[chipsman1]

Hi

I sent the payment of 0.045btc to the address specified my no given by you is 1907

Here the payment i sent from bitstamp http://imgur.com/kONIkK7

I tried to obtain the TXID from bitstamp but they sent me this http://imgur.com/m79KalO

You have not confirmed my payment, how can this be amended ?

Regards

Chips

Hi,

Why did you provide a screenshot and didn't just copy the hash ?
Also could you plz provide a link to your initial post ?

My original post is found on page 24 on the part 2 of the sign up. I can't find the TXID on bitstamp and even raised a support ticket (sceenshot seen above ) with bitstamp saying that they cant provide it, can anyone help me out with finding how to get the TXID from BS