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No, these aren't negative merits, but they are sMerits that can be delegated.

I gave seoinc. 10 merits so that he can award some in the Spanish community, and I messed up by giving a couple of merits to a copy paster. It would have been great if I could have delegated the 10 sMerits to seoinc. for him to pass on all 10, and of course no merits would have been added to his personal total.

How about giving some merit sources the ability to delegate the awarding of a limited number of sMerits. It would make the task of merit sources much simpler, and it would act as a form of apprenticeship for future merit sources.

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No, these aren't negative merits, but they are sMerits that can be delegated.

I gave seoinc. 10 merits so that he can award some in the Spanish community, and I messed up by giving a couple of merits to a copy paster. It would have been great if I could have delegated the 10 sMerits to seoinc. for him to pass on all 10, and of course no merits would have been added to his personal total.

How about giving some merit sources the ability to delegate the awarding of a limited number of sMerits. It would make the task of merit sources much simpler, and it would act as a form of apprenticeship for future merit sources.

I like the idea, I do, but, cannot become that a way to farm?
Well, maybe it can be implemented just by merit sources and between their "trusted network". Maybe by creating a "Smerit source trust network" , or, "merit source team" we can be able of sparing those Dmerits in local sections, and no new merit sources would be required.
As I told you before, becoming a merit source, to me, is a difficult task, and I don't really desire to become one, but having 10 merits to give away from time to time will be really useful to my local board (Spanish).

Whatever, it seems a really interesting idea. Besides, some of us could be able of wearing your shoes for a while and understand how difficult is your task as a merit source, before even thinking on applying to become one.

PD: I've already spared all the merits you provide me, and also founded a great post with no merits, but I'm out.

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July 07, 2018, 05:51:45 PM
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It just feeled very promosing suggestion, but it's better to consider about all the scenarios before initiating such kind of radical change.

Let's imagine Merit source can nominate a apperentice and give some Merits for distribution in order to increase the efficiency of Merit distribution without adding those Merits to his(apperentise) personal total. Then what happens if that apperentice sent those Merits to his/her Alts? So the idea is good with some tweaks. If Merit source can monitor those sMerits were distributed actually where it deserved and then only release the next batch of Merits to the apperentice would be great.

Note - I know "seoincorporation" would never do that but we can't say about all the apperentices.
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July 07, 2018, 06:01:53 PM
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So many people are monitoring merits that any abuse would be seen pretty quickly
Maybe only heroes and legendaries could receive dMerits

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July 07, 2018, 06:05:43 PM
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So many people are monitoring merits that any abuse would be seen pretty quickly
Maybe only heroes and legendaries could receive dMerits

Yep, the "Trusted team" may be created, or something similar.
But the idea seems really useful, mostly for the local boards. I've just found one of the most amazing posts (in the Spanish board) and I don't have any merit left  Undecided

Maybe, in order to continue awarding deserving ones, you might have a look: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619526.msg41712365#msg41712365
(It is in spanish, shall we bring that one to the FitToTalk project??). Also, consider that in the Spanish board there wasn't any post related to the quality, to the rank system and about the decay of the board itself. We maybe should ask the user to translate it... or just use Google.

Whatever, this is just an example of what happens whit the local boards. There are good posters in there, but few merit awarders...

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We could do a new post for merit on fit to talk

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We could do a new post for merit on fit to talk

Done.

Regarding the OP, well, I think we must wait and see what other merit source's have to say.
To me, that's a really interesting idea, but I can't fully visualize how to implement this.

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So many people are monitoring merits that any abuse would be seen pretty quickly
Look at following thread promoting some kind of exchange called "Nessie.io" in ANN section. Now it's the most merited recent topic with having 138 Merits (it's more than what "welsh" got for his masterpiece of "[Guide] Reporting effectively". I think now this is the thrend for merit abusers. They use newbie account and doing the free marketing by giving loads of sMerits to a redundent thread to become number 1 in the list of Merit stats. So only members can wait and watch Grin. Is there any actions have been taken to stop this kind of merit abuse?

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That doesn't mean that they are the best distributors of Merits. Most of the Merits have been awarded for this kind of ANN threads by "Legendary members" and "Hero members" ( still few demon's out there within the reputed members too)

Yep, the "Trusted team" may be created, or something similar.
That would be a great amedment for what "Jet cash" has been proposed.
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Would this work?

Selected, or all merit sources have a button to award dMerits, as well as one for sMerits, Awarded dMerits are taken from their sMerit stock. There is a list of authorised receivers of dMerits. This list is made public, and dMerit awards are also published. dMerit activity can be analysed, and the community can report any abuses. The dMerit awarder would need to ensure that he does not make awards to unauthorised recipients.

This would fit into the current merit structure, but Theymos will need to comment on the software changes involved.

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In the meantime you can "tap" who ever you trust to find quality posts. Whether they be board specific is between you and them. They can then PM you with a list and amount they feel the post deserves.

This will still require extra effort for you and your Mariners, but would be minimal.

This also ensures the full amount is given, without them being awarded to a middleman, and them only being able to provide half of those. (Not knocking the initial awarding)

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PD: I've already spared all the merits you provide me, and also founded a great post with no merits, but I'm out.

About that. Here is another idea. I think there can be a lot of people like you, who browse local boards but don't always have enough sMerits to give and don't really want to be a merit sourse.

A separate thread can be created where trustful users will post topics/posts from local boards, which in their opinion deserve merit and merit sourse will give those merits if they trust that user enough.
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Would this work?

Selected, or all merit sources have a button to award dMerits, as well as one for sMerits, Awarded dMerits are taken from their sMerit stock. There is a list of authorised receivers of dMerits. This list is made public, and dMerit awards are also published. dMerit activity can be analysed, and the community can report any abuses. The dMerit awarder would need to ensure that he does not make awards to unauthorised recipients.

This would fit into the current merit structure, but Theymos will need to comment on the software changes involved.
I have a one more suggestion for your nice thought regarding dMerit system. Mods/Merit sources need to take strong actions when someone reported a Merit abuse scenario.

P.S.- congratulations "JC" for becoming a Legendary member. Good to see you wearing that honered badge.
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P.S.- congratulations "JC" for becoming a Legendary member. Good to see you wearing that honered badge.

Thanks, I missed that. I didn't think I'd get into the lottery until the next activity update, and somehow I felt I'd be one of the last minute jobs.

Re; The meriting of suggested posts. For some reason, I don't feel comfortable with that. It means I'm putting my name on somebody else's choice. I don't mind delegating, because then the award is not my decision.

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Or maybe just let the admin to select merit sources, you know there are still a few good members trying to help if needed a.k.a myself. looks like suchmoon is also tired of being a merit source because of those 5 merits she gave you to support the cause of asking for help from others, maybe you didn't ask to become a source but do you think that you should mention it how hard it is to be a source?  Wink


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Or maybe just let the admin to select merit sources, you know there are still a few good members trying to help if needed a.k.a myself. looks like suchmoon is also tired of being a merit source because of those 5 merits she gave you to support the cause of asking for help from others, maybe you didn't ask to become a source but do you think that you should mention it how hard it is to be a source?  Wink

Looks like you did the right thing resigning as a merit source because you still don't understand that merits are supposed to be sent for good posts and not "to support the cause".

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July 08, 2018, 12:08:56 AM
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You can already achieve that by giving double the merits to a good post from a consistent good poster that also show a reliable sMerit history.

By giving someone merit you are not only complimenting their post but also their ability to spread cheer.

Especially if they are Legendary already they have nothing to gain by it.

If you make the merit system too complex then it just opens it up for abuse or confusion.

Some good tracking tools are already available to see how the merit spreads.

Merit sources can use those tools to easily track and predict suitable recipients.

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July 08, 2018, 01:44:56 AM
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You can already achieve that by giving double the merits to a good post from a consistent good poster that also show a reliable sMerit history.

By giving someone merit you are not only complimenting their post but also their ability to spread cheer.

Especially if they are Legendary already they have nothing to gain by it.

If you make the merit system too complex then it just opens it up for abuse or confusion.

Some good tracking tools are already available to see how the merit spreads.

Merit sources can use those tools to easily track and predict suitable recipients.
I agree. With the potential merit source, we would expect that he would use it to award a high quality poster. Just like passing a batoon to others. Anyone could check those potential merit source merit history base on our data available in the forum if he were distributing also his sMerits wisely.

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July 08, 2018, 04:34:43 AM
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First of all, I also like the idea Sir Jets but like what other members said, we could still find some disadvantages of this idea. But over all I like it.

Few months ago, iasenko created this thread One (1) Merit point to Rank-up Service, READ THE RULES BEFORE YOU APPLY!! and got too many sponsors, lets just think if dMerits is already implemented that time, so that those smerits sponsored by other members wont become half and iasenko can be able to spare much more merits, but of course, if dMerit is already implemented he won't be able to get the 48 Merits in his personal total. What I mean is, this is what the idea all about am I right? To send the exact amount of sMerit to a person without adding it to his/her personal total.

Ps. I missed to give you your 1000th Merit Sad
PD: I've already spared all the merits you provide me, and also founded a great post with no merits, but I'm out.
I sent you 2 Merits which means you have 1 sMerit available now, I hope you can give that post a Merit. I would like to give you more merits but that's all I got for now, I also have some responsibility to find good topics to merit Smiley
By the way, I also gave merit to the thread you were talking about, I can't barely understand spanish but I remember that Google translator will do the job. That Guide deserves more merits in my opinion.

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July 08, 2018, 04:45:19 AM
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You can already achieve that by giving double the merits to a good post from a consistent good poster that also show a reliable sMerit history.

By giving someone merit you are not only complimenting their post but also their ability to spread cheer.

Especially if they are Legendary already they have nothing to gain by it.

If you make the merit system too complex then it just opens it up for abuse or confusion.

Some good tracking tools are already available to see how the merit spreads.

Merit sources can use those tools to easily track and predict suitable recipients.

I agree to this. There are enough provisions in current system which allow you this. Making the merit system more complex will result in a lot of problems. It is already very much complicated for a new member to understand. With sMerits and may be negative merits coming in future (which is more important than dmerits you suggest), it will already get very complicated.
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July 08, 2018, 05:08:36 AM
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Re; The meriting of suggested posts. For some reason, I don't feel comfortable with that. It means I'm putting my name on somebody else's choice. I don't mind delegating, because then the award is not my decision.
Another point I have missed in the first place is if you're nominate a apperentice on behalf of you for giving away few Merits for good quality posters will ultimately redused the amount of posts getting sMerits. That means imagine if you have 30 merits for spending for  good quality posts and you're giving away all of them for actually where it should. If you pass the ball to another apperentice, it would make that 30 sMerits into 15 sMerits. So that means number of posts that are getting Merits will be redused by 50% (if we think about one merit for one post but every case it will reduced). So don't you think passing the ball would accelerate the depletion of Merits with the time.( I'm talking about the scenario which can be happened if every Merit sources are going to nominate their apperentice and distribute Merits for them to fair distribution)
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