Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC

[Gurrty]

Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks, total 1106.81 BTC. He still owes me 4105.19 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for. Debt can be adjusted down by 364.84 BTC because I guess bitcoinica never made a refund. Still 3740.35 BTC in debt.

 

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44233

I start to post our contract. Goat has blocked my pm.

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png



This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.



Later same day after Goat wrote his working draft I Approved. Next day I transfered my 5212 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Goats GLBSE account. 5212 BTC is principal in this contract. 1106.81 BTC and 364.84 BTC is subtracted from that amount and is leaving 3740.35 BTC in debt to Gurrty. Please read following conversation;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/wnArqrf.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/3zdCSHO.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/B8G6odU.png

A period of 11 weeks follows when Goat pay me every week. We are posting some pms to each other and talking about some other things in good manner. 2012-09-08 I write him a pm asking why he has stopped paying me;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/TRatNU9.png

His response;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

After this I respond him with a pm telling him; "I regarded this contract as serious even if it is always with best intent. You need to do what is right." I write further about Christianity and how I am feeling. He respond "Different people owe me about $400,000 US and are not paying me."

After this I understand he is not willing to pay me any more on what we had agreed on. I am not happy and I don't post anything to Goat until 7 months later, 2013-04-11. I write that things is not fair and I have lost much money. I suggest our debt to be converted in USD with 2012-06-05 market price. He reject it. I will never suggest it anymore. I was kind and he should ha accepted it back then. Our contract is denominated in BTC and I demand it to be pay back in full.

Last post I wrote to Goat was 2014-04-21. I argument that he owe me very much BTC and I can be forced to contact FBI/SEC. He has now blocked my pm.

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[Rawted]

Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks, total 1106.81 BTC. He still owes me 4105.19 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for. Debt can be adjusted down by 364.84 BTC because I guess bitcoinica never made a refund. Still 3740.35 BTC in debt.

 

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44233

I start to post our contract. Goat has blocked my pm.

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png



This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.



Later same day after Goat wrote his working draft I Approved. Next day I transfered my 5212 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Goats GLBSE account. 5212 BTC is principal in this contract. 1106.81 BTC and 364.84 BTC is subtracted from that amount and is leaving 3740.35 BTC in debt to Gurrty. Please read following conversation;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/wnArqrf.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/3zdCSHO.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/B8G6odU.png

Please explain to me how a screenshot from June 2012 shows marketplace trust ratings, that weren't implemented here until May 2013?

one of your included screenshots -


The post Theymos made when marketplace trust was added - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0

Smells mighty fishy to me.

[Gurrty]

I did all screenshots today from my pm history. I don't understand how it is hard to understand? Those pm are from 2012 but I made screenshots today 2014 with all updated forum features. All pm are very legit and is in forum database or how it works.

I have never posted any public about this scam until now. It is very personally insulting and I hope to get support from the community.

[Rawted]

My mistake, i thought i read these were from 2012.

[smoothie]

I've asked a mod to verify if the PMs screenshots are indeed genuine and true. We will see.

[DiamondCardz]

My mistake, i thought i read these were from 2012.

On topic though, this is very interesting. Hopefully theymos can verify these PMs.

[theymos]

Use the "report to admin" feature on the PMs. Report them only to me.

[smoothie]

We'll see what happens.

[DiamondCardz]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

We've already been over this...he went into his PM inbox history and took a screenshot in 2014...

There wasn't even activity back then anyway. We will see, you can stop trying to blindly follow goat, as we will find out in time whether he is telling the truth or not.

[rhino34567]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

We've already been over this...he went into his PM inbox history and took a screenshot in 2014...

There wasn't even activity back then anyway. We will see, you can stop trying to blindly follow goat, as we will find out in time whether he is telling the truth or not.

Not "Blindly" following anyone. don't know goat or OP just asking Questions. Thank you

They did mention pretty much the same thing a couple of posts before you.
Anyway, is it even forum policy to confirm PMs?

[smoothie]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

We've already been over this...he went into his PM inbox history and took a screenshot in 2014...

There wasn't even activity back then anyway. We will see, you can stop trying to blindly follow goat, as we will find out in time whether he is telling the truth or not.

Not "Blindly" following anyone. don't know goat or OP just asking Questions. Thank you

They did mention pretty much the same thing a couple of posts before you.
Anyway, is it even forum policy to confirm PMs?

Not sure if it is a "policy" but in certain instances Theymos has confirmed PMs and I think exposed them also when concerning large scams/accusations.

If this is true then the amount at stake is quite worth while to look into. ~3700 BTC is like ~$1.7 Million at todays exchange rate.

[bigasic]

Maybe Im reading this wrong, but what about this statement?

"This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis."

Im sure Im reading it wrong, but thats not a very good statement to put into a legally binding contract.

[Gurrty]

Gurrty claims this all happened in 2012 but in his off topic Sob story posted April 10th,2013 about his life he never mentions anything about this. He talks about losing 15,000 bitcoins etc etc. but never mentions a bad investment . Here is a cut and paste of his post....Can't quote it because the thread is old.

I don't write how I lost my money. I just mention that I did took risks to grow my bitcoin. I should have been happy when I already had 15000 BTC and try to keep them safe in offline wallet and don't gamble with them. But that is too late to say now when all those 15000 BTC are gone. But Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC!

One day after I started that topic I was motivated to ask Goat if I could get some money back;

https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

His response;

https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Goat rejects my proposal even if I suggest our debt to be converted in USD with 2012-06-05 market price. I will not suggest it again!

I have reported some PMs to Theymos.

Maybe Im reading this wrong, but what about this statement?

"This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis."

Im sure Im reading it wrong, but thats not a very good statement to put into a legally binding contract.

Perhaps he tried to deceive me with such sentence. My opinion is that you can't just walk away with money that was mine. He is holding on to my money. He can buy thing that I can't buy. I was the owner of this debt. It was agreed that it should be payed back in 100 weeks with interest. Around this date, 2014-05-25, I should have got all my money back but I don't have.  

[smoothie]

Maybe Im reading this wrong, but what about this statement?

"This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis."

Im sure Im reading it wrong, but thats not a very good statement to put into a legally binding contract.

Most people know Goat has access to quite a bit of BTC, LTC, Gold, Silver, and Cash. So to not honor the agreement when he has funds like that would be a blatant scammer action.

Of course we first need to verify if the OP's claim is true.

[theymos]

These PMs are real:

This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.  
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

Hello Gurrty,

I am glad things are progressing. I will try and set up a google document for us to keep track of this. Give me some time to work on it.

I will start paying you for a full week next Tuesday (assuming you send the bonds by then).

Please send the bonds to Chaang-Noi on GLBSE.

Thank you.

I would like to confirm I got 5212 TyGrr-Bot bonds.

Thank you.

Hello Gurrty,

Having cash flow problems right now. The contract is not guaranteed and filled with best intent. However good news, in the next 3 or 4 days I should get 5000 BTC so maybe we can clear most of this soon.

~goat~

Hello Gurrty,

Different people owe me about $400,000 US and are not paying me. The pirate default has not helped me at all. I am taking legal action against one of the members (and if that will not work I will be going to the FBI) and as you know we are taking action against bitcoinica as well. Just about everyone in the bitcoin world has defaulted or has had their coin stolen.

I am trying very hard to recover not only your coin but mine as well. This last year of my being involved in bitcoin has cost me what I was able to save in 10 years. It is has been a disaster for everyone.

I am trying my best. BTW Matthew N. Wright who is now a scammer was the last who defaulted on the 5,000 BTC that I was going to give mostly to you. I don't know if I should sue him or write it off

Hello,

I have thought a lot about this a lot.

First of all my "good job" in Thailand is a respectable job but pays just over $12,000 USD a year. I need to support a family on this. However that has nothing to do with anything.

You asked me to get such a crazy rate and we made a contract. I acted in good faith and tried to meet what you demanded of me. In doing so I lost a lot more money than I would have myself. I do not think it is fair for you to ask me to bail you out. I acted honestly and in good faith.

At this point I would like you to explain to me why I should refund your investment. I would like you to please tell me what you think I did wrong.

Thank you.

[smoothie]

There you have it. Theymos has confirmed the PMs are real.

These PMs are real:

This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.  
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

Hello Gurrty,

I am glad things are progressing. I will try and set up a google document for us to keep track of this. Give me some time to work on it.

I will start paying you for a full week next Tuesday (assuming you send the bonds by then).

Please send the bonds to Chaang-Noi on GLBSE.

Thank you.

I would like to confirm I got 5212 TyGrr-Bot bonds.

Thank you.

Hello Gurrty,

Having cash flow problems right now. The contract is not guaranteed and filled with best intent. However good news, in the next 3 or 4 days I should get 5000 BTC so maybe we can clear most of this soon.

~goat~

Hello Gurrty,

Different people owe me about $400,000 US and are not paying me. The pirate default has not helped me at all. I am taking legal action against one of the members (and if that will not work I will be going to the FBI) and as you know we are taking action against bitcoinica as well. Just about everyone in the bitcoin world has defaulted or has had their coin stolen.

I am trying very hard to recover not only your coin but mine as well. This last year of my being involved in bitcoin has cost me what I was able to save in 10 years. It is has been a disaster for everyone.

I am trying my best. BTW Matthew N. Wright who is now a scammer was the last who defaulted on the 5,000 BTC that I was going to give mostly to you. I don't know if I should sue him or write it off

Hello,

I have thought a lot about this a lot.

First of all my "good job" in Thailand is a respectable job but pays just over $12,000 USD a year. I need to support a family on this. However that has nothing to do with anything.

You asked me to get such a crazy rate and we made a contract. I acted in good faith and tried to meet what you demanded of me. In doing so I lost a lot more money than I would have myself. I do not think it is fair for you to ask me to bail you out. I acted honestly and in good faith.

At this point I would like you to explain to me why I should refund your investment. I would like you to please tell me what you think I did wrong.

Thank you.

[elux]

These PMs are real:

Gurrty, do you have money for a good lawyer? Do you have his real name and address?

[IANAL] Are there laws against usury in Thailand? A quick search turned up this:

Under the Civil and Commercial Code of Thailand, oral loan contracts are valid if they are valued under 2,000 baht and witnessed by at least one person.

Loans value over 2,000 baht must be in writing and signed by the borrower.

The borrower is responsible for all costs associated with the loan. The contract is enforceable only upon the delivery of the property to the borrower.

Interest rates that exceed 15% are considered usurious and will not be enforced by the courts. The courts reduce excessive rates to 15%.

You wouldn't be entitled to interest beyond 15% per year, but you're still owed the principal. Lawyer up. Consider booking plane tickets.

[smoothie]

These PMs are real:

Gurrty, do you have money for a good lawyer? Do you have his real name and address?

Are there laws against usury in Thailand? A quick search turned up this:

Under the Civil and Commercial Code of Thailand, oral loan contracts are valid if they are valued under 2,000 baht and witnessed by at least one person.

Loans value over 2,000 baht must be in writing and signed by the borrower.

The borrower is responsible for all costs associated with the loan. The contract is enforceable only upon the delivery of the property to the borrower.

Interest rates that exceed 15% are considered usurious and will not be enforced by the courts.

The courts reduce excessive rates to 15%. Additionally, “interest shall not bear interest.”

Compound interest is not an option. However, after a year, the interest may be added to the principal and then accrue further interest.

So, you wouldn't necessarily be entitled to interest beyond 15% per year, but you're still owed the principal.

If you can afford it: Lawyer up, and consider booking plane tickets.

Based on what has been confirmed the contract says "best effort". Well from the looks of it Goat has flashed his "wallet" all over this forum in many ways (i.e. Lambo etc.)...so he has the funds to repay this debt.

Will he? We will see. 

And Goat claimed I was a scammer. Oh the irony here.

[N12]

^ Indeed, pretty sure he now regrets flaunting his wealth.

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

[theymos]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

Maybe it would be reasonable to take the USD value of that BTC at the time of the contract and then apply the contract's compounding interest to this amount.

[smoothie]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

But remember the formula for activity does include time spent logged in over a course of a week or two. I forget the formula but it wasn't just directed only at # of posts.

This gets added to your activity permanently no matter how many posts you have.

[smoothie]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

I think this would be fair as well.

Partial meaning 40-60%...well that's just my view. This is quite a lot of funds to be owing other forum users.

Using the USD version if i'm not mistaken was denied by Goat back over a year ago when they were PMing.

[N12]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

But remember the formula for activity does include time spent logged in over a course of a week or two.

This gets added to your activity permanently no matter how many posts you have.

No, this is tied to how many posts you make in a particular week, and for how many weeks. If you delete posts, then you will have possibly less posts than 14 per week.

"time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)/"

[smoothie]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

But remember the formula for activity does include time spent logged in over a course of a week or two.

This gets added to your activity permanently no matter how many posts you have.

No, this is tied to how many posts you make in a particular week, and for how many weeks. If you delete posts, then you will have possibly less posts than 14 per week.

"time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)/"

Okay my bad. I forgot the formula. Could he not have left a single post in a two-week period in tact to allow for this not to change?

The point is Theymos verified the PMs. So the screenshots and what they show are irrelevant at this point as the CONTENT of the PMs have been verified to be genuine.

[elux]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort" (...)

I think any court would find the terms of the contract insane enough to make the whole thing null and void.

And also that Goat owes Gurrty the full principal, if Gurrty can establish that he sent the money.


In a nutshell: If it can be established that you gave me a million dollars according to some completely insane contract, and the contract is found to be invalid... I don't get to keep the million.

[smoothie]

^ Indeed, pretty sure he now regrets flaunting his wealth.

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

Just because he delete his posts doesn't mean Theymos doesn't have a copy of it somewhere on his servers.

This may come in handy should he disappear etc.

[theymos]

I think any court would find the terms of the contract insane enough to make the whole thing null and void.

And also that Goat owes Gurrty the full principal, if Gurrty can establish that he sent the money.


In a nutshell: If it can be established that you gave me a million dollars according to some completely insane contract, and the contract is found to be invalid... I don't get to keep the million.

A court would also interpret the principal in terms of fiat value at the time.

It's not reasonable to expect Goat to pay millions of dollars because he stupidly lost a few thousand dollars years ago. At the same time, Gurrty was denied the chance to maybe make lots of money by holding onto the BTC, so he deserves more than just the principal IMO. But not the full BTC amount. (What are the chances that Gurrty would have held onto this BTC until now if he was so careless as to loan it to Goat?)

[smoothie]

I think any court would find the terms of the contract insane enough to make the whole thing null and void.

And also that Goat owes Gurrty the full principal, if Gurrty can establish that he sent the money.


In a nutshell: If it can be established that you gave me a million dollars according to some completely insane contract, and the contract is found to be invalid... I don't get to keep the million.

A court would also interpret the principal in terms of fiat value at the time.

It's not reasonable to expect Goat to pay millions of dollars because he stupidly lost a few thousand dollars years ago. At the same time, Gurrty was denied the chance to maybe make lots of money by holding onto the BTC, so he deserves more than just the principal IMO. But not the full BTC amount. (What are the chances that Gurrty would have held onto this BTC until now if he was so careless as to loan it to Goat?)

Of course asking him to pay the full amount in BTC may be unreasonable but it isnt to expect him to pay a portion of the BTC as the repayment was to be over 100 weeks. In that time OP would have made quite a bit of $ too. That needs to be considered as well.

[El Cabron]

To save you all time because most of this thread is trolling and off topic here is my last post and how it was resolved. Thx

@ gurrty

You clearly do not understand the contract but that is not my problem. I was willing to work with you in 2013 because I felt sorry for you and I know how it is to fall on hard times. However you responded to my polite question a year later and did so with name calling and threats. At this point in time you can take the coin from theymos or sue me directly. I have talked to my lawyer about this and the contract will be tossed out and you would end up owing me the BTC that I sent you, and I would have to return the assets. If this is the path you want to take fine. I also want to point out that in terms of fiat you have gained more than $500,000 than you invested. No court is going to have sympathy for you. If you can even find a court that is willing to accept the case, we are ready.

@ theymos

I still do not agree that gurrty should get anything but since you are a GLBSE owner, and you hold the GLBSE coins even if I wanted to stop you there is nothing I could do. I guess it is just lucky for Gurrty you are so understanding.

When you give back the coins in the terms of fiat he invested to gurrty will you please give the rest of us back our coins in the terms of fiat invested. You have a huge amount of GLBSE coins that you did not earn. Please refund us, please do not keep the rest of the coins for yourself.


@ smoothie

We all know Goat ran a Pirate Pass Through that assisted PirateAt40's ponzi scheme

At the personal request of theymos. theymos wanted this listed on GLBSE. At the time I assumed it was just to get more GLBSE fees but it seems now it was much more than that. theymos by far was the largest person who "assisted" Pirate. I was trying to get favor with theymos at the time however in the end I think he abused my trust. theymos and GLBSE were the ones who took a huge amount of profit because of fees (read the GLBSE logs). theymos has also admitted he profited from this investment directly and admitted he was reading Pirates personal messages. You want to bring up this topic? Fine, talk about it all you will.

Question wasn't directed at you.

Half the posts in this thread are from you and most of them are off topic. Yet when I answer your question in a correct and polite way you tell me to fuck off? What is wrong with you? If the question was a secret then use the PM system! (Oh wait, you can not even do that, theymos will still post PMs in public.)

You are way out of line and have nothing to do with anything in this thread.  All you have done is expressed your love for theymos and your hate for me. Sadly however for you, all you have done is exposed theymos to issues that he banned me before for talking about. I'm sure he is loving you right now. Anyway we have all spent too much time with you and people like you are why this forum has turned to shit. You are on ignore and I will be spending a whole lot less time on this forum. The trolls win!


@ everyone else.   Peace and love, I will be here from time to time (assuming I do not get banned) so send me a PM if you wish. I will also be around but every time I come to this forum I just feel negativity. Catch ya around.

Below this is my first post in this thread.

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

Maybe it would be reasonable to take the USD value of that BTC at the time of the contract and then apply the contract's compounding interest to this amount.

I would like to say Theymos knows a bit more about this situation than the average person. He had access to info the public does not have.

Gurrty left out some of the PMs. He failed to include the ones where he black mailed me and threatened me. Because I do not respond to extortion or blackmail I blocked his PMs just recently. Because of his threats all reasonable options are no longer on the table.

Everyone knows I am trusted and honest when it comes to business and I can be very reasonable. However this guy has issues and crossed the line on how to deal with things. Because this is now potentially a  court or legal matter I will not really say anything. Since he moved it in that direction I will be happy to meet him in court where as he knew before there were other options. He has no real claim and is just upset that I ended up with some BTC in my pocket. If it were not for AM and LTC I would be much worse off than Gurrty here. Everyone knows how painful it was for me to pay off my debts after that disaster default. I could have just walked away like everyone else but I did not. I am not a scammer.

Gurrty is usury a crime in France? What about extortion?

[smoothie]

Well I guess Theymos may need to open up the PM history between both users.

Goat it was easy to take the money from that investor (as well as many others) but repaying was tough huh?

This reminds me of HashFast. They did the same thing. lol

Now you are trying to find a way out of the debt. Not surprising.

Did you ever repay all of your Pirate Pass Through investors? ...something tells me you didn't.

Hence you haven't paid all of your debts.

Finding a loop hole out of contracts is the scummy way to do business.

1. Borrow money from investor and promise to pay back loan.

2. Claim hard times are upon you.

3. Delay on repayment after an agreement has been reached.

4. Investor gets frustrated with you because of lack of action on your part and attempts to get you to repay by saying anything and everything (? who knows what was said).

5. You claim that because he said certain things..."now I don't need to repay that debt because the investor said X, Y, and Z."

 

[Gurrty]

I am more than happy to post my last post I sent to Goat 2014-04-21;

https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

His response;

https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

Who is blackmailing? Goat wrote; "I think we should meet in person. When can you get here?"

Scary...

I have reported Three more PMs to theymos.

[El Cabron]

Smoothie you are as ignorant as you are a troll. I see why you are the most hated/ignored person on this forum.

However since I have been assured this is both a court and legal matter by OP I suspect that OP is just trying to get some information so he can make a claim. Something if he really had a claim he would not need to do.

Since OP wants to take this to court let us take it to court. I will be happy to talk about this freely once it is finished. I have a zero policy against extortion.  

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time. I will let you know if/when however OP does take this to court. My lawyer was informed once the threats started to come in and we are ready.

[smoothie]

Smoothie you are as ignorant as you are a troll. I see why you are the most hated/ignored person on this forum.

However since I have been assured this is both a court and legal matter by OP I suspect that OP is just trying to get some information so he can make a claim. Something if he really had a claim he would not need to do.

Since OP wants to take this to court let us take it to court. I will be happy to talk about this freely once it is finished. I have a zero policy against extortion.  

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time. I will let you know if/when however OP does take this to court. My lawyer was informed once the threats started to come in and we are ready.

Oh and how were you able to afford an attorney? Let me guess...ding ding ding...investors' funds!

Keep the name calling coming. It shows how mature you are.  

[smoothie]

Smoothie you are as ignorant as you are a troll. I see why you are the most hated/ignored person on this forum.

However since I have been assured this is both a court and legal matter by OP I suspect that OP is just trying to get some information so he can make a claim. Something if he really had a claim he would not need to do.

Since OP wants to take this to court let us take it to court. I will be happy to talk about this freely once it is finished. I have a zero policy against extortion.  

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time. I will let you know if/when however OP does take this to court. My lawyer was informed once the threats started to come in and we are ready.

What threat was that?

Him saying "Should he contact the SEC/FBI"?

[rhino34567]

Gurrty shouldn't have brought up the court issue. There was still a chance of this being negotiated and settled out of court avoiding all unnecessary expenses. That's all I can really say since there is probably a long conversation the public is not aware of.

[N12]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

[smoothie]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

Oh Goat? Care to comment?

Oh wait likely he doesn't think any of us should know.

Theymos may need to step in here.

[El Cabron]

Gurrty shouldn't have brought up the court issue. There was still a chance of this being negotiated and settled out of court avoiding all unnecessary expenses. That's all I can really say since there is probably a long conversation the public is not aware of.

Yes. Not all of the PMs have been posted and not all of the communication was done over the forum. If everything was published most people here would find that I acted in a very reasonable way. However it is now a matter for the courts and LEA as OP wants.

If Gurrty thinks that his claims will tarnish my image he has failed. The people who do not like me (smoothy and blits)will still not like me, the people who trust me will still trust me. Honestly I think Gurrty is just bluffing and he is the only one who has acted in an illegal way here. He knows if we go to court everything will come out. Everyone will see what he agreed to do and what he threatened to do when it did not go his way.

I do know that libel is illegal in both France and Thailand. I'm calling his bluff, we will see what he will do. Will he take action like he said he would or just make half baked claims on a forum. Pretty sure I know the answer to this.

[smoothie]

Gurrty shouldn't have brought up the court issue. There was still a chance of this being negotiated and settled out of court avoiding all unnecessary expenses. That's all I can really say since there is probably a long conversation the public is not aware of.

Yes. Not all of the PMs have been posted and not all of the communication was done over the forum. If everything was published most people here would find that I acted in a very reasonable way. However it is now a matter for the courts and LEA as OP wants.

If Gurrty thinks that his claims will tarnish my image he has failed. The people who do not like me (smoothy and blits)will still not like me, the people who trust me will still trust me. Honestly I think Gurrty is just bluffing and he is the only one who has acted in an illegal way here. He knows if we go to court everything will come out. Everyone will see what he agreed to do and what he threatened to do when it did not go his way.

I do know that libel is illegal in both France and Thailand. I'm calling his bluff, we will see what he will do. Will he take action like he said he would or just make half baked claims on a forum. Pretty sure I know the answer to this.

I suppose that assisting the operator of a ponzi scheme (PirateAt40) would not be considered "illegal" in your world right?

It is hard not to notice how Goat's attitude has changed ever since he has amassed his fortune. Prior to that he was all "humble" and "can you let me borrow X coins?".

In any case this should be a good indicator not to lend BTC to Goat. His track record speaks for itself. I believe I compiled that track record somewhere....

[Gurrty]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

When Goat wrote about problems 2012-09-08 this happens;

Goat 2012-09-08
https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

Gurrty 2012-09-14
https://i.imgur.com/fB3hEPe.png

Goat 2012-09-15
https://i.imgur.com/LOzAXvC.png

Gurrty 2013-04-11
https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

Goat 2013-04-11 and 2013-05-24
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Gurrty 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

Goat 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

All included.

[smoothie]

@OP why did it take you so long to respond to his message?

Was it like 12 months between PMs between you two?

[Gurrty]

@OP why did it take you so long to respond to his message?

Was it like 12 months between PMs between you two?

Yes it is two long periods when I don't write anything to Goat. First between 2012-09-14 to 2013-04-11. Second between 2013-04-11 to 2014-04-21.

I didn't know what to say to get my money back. Sometimes i forgot about it. But this is not forgotten. Goat should be honest and pay back my BTC.

[WhatsBitcoin]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

When Goat wrote about problems 2012-09-08 this happens;

Goat 2012-09-08
https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

Gurrty 2012-09-14
https://i.imgur.com/fB3hEPe.png

Goat 2012-09-15
https://i.imgur.com/LOzAXvC.png

Gurrty 2013-04-11
https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

Goat 2013-04-11 and 2013-05-24
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Gurrty 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

Goat 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

All included.

To Gurty,
Goat sees that you most likely are young and against his lawyer will never win anything, that is why he has been so stubborn on paying off any debt owed to you. I would seriously stop this conversation and present this to a top lawyer and tell him you'll give him 50% of whatever you win. If the top lawyer where you live doesn't take you seriously go to as many lawyers as possible. Someone will take your case I'm sure. You cannot do this alone.

To Smoothie,
It is not your business here seriously. Stop trying to be a middleman, you are a simple and meaningless person on a forum. There are people with degrees and backgrounds who settle disputes between two parties.

Just stop with the trolling, fake police act, mediator or whatever it is your intentions are here.

[El Cabron]

And there we go. A reasonable question was asked and it was ignored for a year until name calling and threats.

Someone was being reasonable and then someone responded in an unreasonable way. Simple as that.

[WhatsBitcoin]

And there we go. A reasonable question was asked and it was ignored for a year until name calling and threats.

Someone was being reasonable and then someone responded in an unreasonable way. Simple as that.

Libel does not equal millions of dollars in settlement. Sure you'll win 5k but you're looking at millions owed as you have flashed your cash around all the time here. Just my two cents. Will not be posting here again.

Gurty you need a lawyer now. Get one immediately and a good one.
If what you have posted is the entirety of the case you have a very strong case against him with the help of a strong lawyer.

[El Cabron]

@ WhatsBitcoin, over all good advice but the question here is what debt is owed if anything. Gurrty was unable for a year to respond to why he thought he was owed anything.

He then responded with "Hello Scammer..."

If Gurrty would have been able to explain in a reasonable way why there was a debt owed it would have been repaid. However it seems that he does not want to talk this out and he wants to take a different path. Fine, let him do it.

Also why do you think he has such a strong legal case esp if you suspect lawyers will not take him seriously? You do not even know the foundation of this. Are you a lawyer? I highly doubt it. You should take the advice you gave smoothie and let Gurrty do what he will.

[Oldminer]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

[N12]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

[El Cabron]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

Coming from someone who has a history of scamming (see his trust feedback). This is revenge for me exposing your scamming? When the people who attack me are people like smoothie the troll and scammers like you I really do not give a fuck.

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

[smoothie]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

When Goat wrote about problems 2012-09-08 this happens;

Goat 2012-09-08
https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

Gurrty 2012-09-14
https://i.imgur.com/fB3hEPe.png

Goat 2012-09-15
https://i.imgur.com/LOzAXvC.png

Gurrty 2013-04-11
https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

Goat 2013-04-11 and 2013-05-24
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Gurrty 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

Goat 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

All included.

To Gurty,
Goat sees that you most likely are young and against his lawyer will never win anything, that is why he has been so stubborn on paying off any debt owed to you. I would seriously stop this conversation and present this to a top lawyer and tell him you'll give him 50% of whatever you win. If the top lawyer where you live doesn't take you seriously go to as many lawyers as possible. Someone will take your case I'm sure. You cannot do this alone.

To Smoothie,
It is not your business here seriously. Stop trying to be a middleman, you are a simple and meaningless person on a forum. There are people with degrees and backgrounds who settle disputes between two parties.

Just stop with the trolling, fake police act, mediator or whatever it is your intentions are here.

Excuse me but are you the forum police?

I'm asking reasonable questions. In fact it was I who got Theymos to open up the PMs and verify all of this.

Nice try to get me to do what you think I should do. News Flash: It doesn't work that way.  

[El Cabron]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

     It is clear and the amount is 0 as far as I can tell. If Gurrty thinks differently than he can take it to the LEA or the courts as he wishes. I am no longer willing to talk this out with him. I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy. He is no longer willing to let that happen.

[Oldminer]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

Coming from someone who has a history of scamming (see his trust feedback). This is revenge for me exposing your scamming? When the people who attack me are people like smoothie the troll and scammers like you I really do not give a fuck.

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

History? What you and a few of your cronies give me neg trust for supporting someone with a casino that was in competition with you & that makes me and gives me a history as a scammer?? You and your low life mates simply abused the neg trust 'system' for your own gain.

LOL..your a loser and a dishonest, slanderous prick and karma's an even bigger bitch. Deal with it.

p.s. take a look at your own trust feedback rating when you get time between counting your filthy lucre...dipshit.

[smoothie]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

Goat believes:

1. If his investor didn't answer his question then he doesn't owe him the money that was lent to him.

2. Saying something the other party does't like automatically negates a contract.


lol

[Puppet]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

Nope, goat was "investing" other people's bitcoins in pirate, and pocketing a fee. Regardless, if he wasted his own money with pirate too (which I doubt), that is not Gurrty's problem, no more than its Goat's problem how  Gurrty lost his entire fortune.

Anyway I have a suggestion for you. The list of VIP's that donated 50BTC to this forum reads almost like a "who's who" of bitcoin scammers. zhoutong, pirateat40, Graet,  imsaguy, TradeFortress, cryptoxchange..  Why dont you do your part, and refund Goat's 50BTC to Gurrty, and strip Goat of his VIP privileges?  At least it would be some small restitution to Gurrty,  it would show you do not want to be paid with stolen money and scammers can not buy protection from you with their stolen money, and if Goat wants to regain his VIP status, let him cough up the coins himself.

[smoothie]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

Coming from someone who has a history of scamming (see his trust feedback). This is revenge for me exposing your scamming? When the people who attack me are people like smoothie the troll and scammers like you I really do not give a fuck.

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

lol as if you never TROLLED, LIED, OR MISLED?

This is funnier than I thought.

"I was stacking BTC in 2010" ~ Goat. 

[El Cabron]

a casino that was in competition with you

I have never owned or invested in a casino. I reported your scamming as a service to the community, not to profit. Also clearly I was not the only one who caught you scamming.

[smoothie]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

     It is clear and the amount is 0 as far as I can tell. If Gurrty thinks differently than he can take it to the LEA or the courts as he wishes. I am no longer willing to talk this out with him. I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy. He is no longer willing to let that happen.

Goat now going to hide behind his attorney(s) that he paid for with investor funds that should have went back to his investors way back when.

HashFast-style.  

[Oldminer]

a casino that was in competition with you

I have never owned or invested in a casino. I reported your scamming as a service to the community, not to profit. Also clearly I was not the only one who caught you scamming.

Your a liar but I won't continue & give you the satisfaction of drawing the attention to me and away from yourself. Do continue all... 

[El Cabron]

Nope, goat was

Hi p4man. Nice to see you know everything I was doing.  

[N12]

To sum up, Goat for some reason goes from this, where he acknowledges the debt and his intent to repay it,



To this, upon Gurrty reminding him of his debt and exact details more than half a year later:



Gurrty doesn't respond to this inconceivable reply where suddenly, Goat no longer acknowledges any debt. After almost two years of no repayment, he decides to be more aggressive in his approach and speak of FBI and SEC. Suddenly, Goat feels "blackmailed" and severs contact.

Nice.

[El Cabron]

@Blitz, think you missed a few steps and failed to understand what the "debt" is based on. Contracts are there for a reason. I do not believe Gurrty even thinks he is owed anything. He knew what he was doing and is just trying to get some coin cuz I got lucky on AM and LTC. He thought he could scare me with the FBI or whatever, well that backfired on him. He thought it would be a quick way to make a buck, not so...

He does not have the ability to explain how I violated the contract, if his lawyer can do so, then fine. We will do it his way.

[N12]

I read through the contract, I don't understand how you can owe him nothing given you reportedly didn't pay anything back. It says it's only void after 100 payments, and that repayment will take 100 weeks. And then: "If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid."

You were and are able to pay at least partially, so from all that we know, it seems to me that you didn't honor your contract.

Anyone care to explain if I overlooked something?

[bitdragon]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

[El Cabron]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Do you not think it was reasonable of me to ask why he thought he was owed anything when the contract is pretty clear that he is owed nothing? I have been wrong in the past and if he could tell me how I was wrong the issue would have been solved.

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

I have not lasted years on this forum doing up to and including $1,000,000 deals without being reasonable and honest. I never scammed and did a runner like so many.

If you think my blocking his PMs after he called me names and what not was unreasonable then I guess we will have to disagree on that. Gurrty now wants to work this out in the courts and we will do so. He has that right and I am not going to stop him in anyway.

[bitdragon]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Do you not think it was reasonable of me to ask why he thought he was owed anything when the contract is pretty clear that he is owed nothing? I have been wrong in the past and if he could tell me how I was wrong the issue would have been solved.

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

I have not lasted years on this forum doing up to and including $1,000,000 deals without being reasonable and honest. I never scammed and did a runner like so many.

If you think my blocking his PMs after he called me names and what not was unreasonable then I guess we will have to disagree on that. Gurrty now wants to work this out in the courts and we will do so. He has that right and I am not going to stop him in anyway.

If there is one person on this forum that throws the word Lawyer around left and right to no end, that would be you.
Also, to be fair, it seems he said "Should I" rather than a firm commitment and you jumped on that eagerly.
And i will answer your question indeed. I do find it unreasonable you ask him why he was owed anything. If it is clear on your mind that he is owed nothing, the burden is on you to demonstrate that. Specifically, that you run into hard times is not particularly relevant from his point of view as to why he is owed nothing. It is pertinent as to why he has not received most of the repayment though.
Your hard times, respectable job and that most people in Bitcoin land lost money does not do a good job of supporting the claim he is owed nothing but solely why he has not received the repayment.

Lastly, coming up with reasons and citing difficulties such as cash flow problems directly implies you owe him something in the first place.

[El Cabron]

the burden is on you to demonstrate that.

I disagree but anyway it was made clear years ago. Oh did he not post that part yet?

Then years later when he asks only for fiat (admitting he was owed nothing more than that, if even that) I asked why as it had already been made clear that nothing was owed.

Do you guys even know what he paid me in? Why does he just not ask for 100% refund? The reason why is if he did that he would not get any fiat or BTC! So why should I give him BTC or Fiat? Reasonable questions should get reasonable answers.

You guys know the half he wants you to know. You want to judge me on that, fine. Do not do business with me.

Honestly I should have blocked this guy years ago and this thread is a waste of my time.

Gurrty can do what Gurrty wants to do.

[smoothie]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

Then Goat you should post what is missing in the communication you are speaking of.

Is this going to be one of those times where you claim something and can't back it up with proof?

Prove it. lol 

You want people to take you seriously yet you make claims and then don't back them up with hard evidence.

[smoothie]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Do you not think it was reasonable of me to ask why he thought he was owed anything when the contract is pretty clear that he is owed nothing? I have been wrong in the past and if he could tell me how I was wrong the issue would have been solved.

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

I have not lasted years on this forum doing up to and including $1,000,000 deals without being reasonable and honest. I never scammed and did a runner like so many.

If you think my blocking his PMs after he called me names and what not was unreasonable then I guess we will have to disagree on that. Gurrty now wants to work this out in the courts and we will do so. He has that right and I am not going to stop him in anyway.

If there is one person on this forum that throws the word Lawyer around left and right to no end, that would be you.
Also, to be fair, it seems he said "Should I" rather than a firm commitment and you jumped on that eagerly.
And i will answer your question indeed. I do find it unreasonable you ask him why he was owed anything. If it is clear on your mind that he is owed nothing, the burden is on you to demonstrate that. Specifically, that you run into hard times is not particularly relevant from his point of view as to why he is owed nothing. It is pertinent as to why he has not received most of the repayment though.
Your hard times, respectable job and that most people in Bitcoin land lost money does not do a good job of supporting the claim he is owed nothing but solely why he has not received the repayment.

Lastly, coming up with reasons and citing difficulties such as cash flow problems directly implies you owe him something in the first place.

It should be noted that Goat has a reputation of playing the victim card very passionately. Anything he can twist in his favor he will try to make others believe he is on the short end of the stick.

I've seen it on this forum so many times. It is getting old.

[smoothie]

the burden is on you to demonstrate that.

I disagree but anyway it was made clear years ago. Oh did he not post that part yet?

Then years later when he asks only for fiat (admitting he was owed nothing more than that, if even that) I asked why as it had already been made clear that nothing was owed.

Do you guys even know what he paid me in? Why does he just not ask for 100% refund? The reason why is if he did that he would not get any fiat or BTC! So why should I give him BTC or Fiat? Reasonable questions should get reasonable answers.

You guys know the half he wants you to know. You want to judge me on that, fine. Do not do business with me.

Honestly I should have blocked this guy years ago and this thread is a waste of my time.

Gurrty can do what Gurrty wants to do.

Your wordy parables are quite cute but tend to make you look to divert attention away from yourself.

This is another tactic you like to impose on your opposition.

If this thread is truly a waste of your time why are you posting in it at all?

Implicitly your actions speak louder than anything you can say.

[El Cabron]

Prove it.

You want people to take you seriously yet you make claims and then don't back them up with hard evidence.

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

I do not want people to take me seriously. People will do what they want to do. Scammers and trolls are taking this and trying to make a big deal of it.

Am I your victim smoothie? Your attacks are so often they have lost all meaning. You keep trying and keep failing.

With so many people like you that hate me (or is it a man crush?) and spend so much effort trying to find some dirt on me I think it has the opposite effect of your intent.

[N12]

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

You know, he did have theymos verifying the authenticity of the PMs. What else can we expect him to prove?

[El Cabron]

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

You know, he did have theymos verifying the authenticity of the PMs. What else can we expect him to prove?

That I owe him BTC, or that the contract was not followed correctly.

He is claiming he is owed 3740.35 BTC. Just because Theymos said some PMs were real does not mean his claim is correct.

Is this troll bait or are you being serious? I honestly can not tell.

[bitdragon]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

[smoothie]

Prove it.

You want people to take you seriously yet you make claims and then don't back them up with hard evidence.

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

I do not want people to take me seriously. People will do what they want to do. Scammers and trolls are taking this and trying to make a big deal of it.

Am I your victim smoothie? Your attacks are so often they have lost all meaning. You keep trying and keep failing.

With so many people like you that hate me (or is it a man crush?) and spend so much effort trying to find some dirt on me I think it has the opposite effect of your intent.

Sometimes having many people confirm things you might not see about yourself may be a clear sign that what they see is true and you are just in denial.

You have taken out so many loans on this forum and done many shady deals (including PPT) that it isn't surprising that one of your creditors is wanting you to pay up.

Theymos even confirmed the PMs. To me (theymos and others), the context of those PMs show that you have the burden of proof to disprove your claim of not owing anything to the OP.

Your own words in the contract/PMs even give the impression that you felt and knew you owed something, even though now you claim you don't.

It's no wonder why you deleted so many of your posts....time to clean up after yourself eh? lol

Man crush? lol weren't you just the other day offering and I declined your offer?

Hint: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623189.msg6906972#msg6906972   

sigh... this is over your head yet again...  i have to assume you have some sort of learning disability. im shocked you have gotten this far in life the way you act. let me guess govt hand outs? i hate that i have to support people like you but whatever it is what it is.

no one really cares if you thought ripple was a bad idea. everyone who does not like premined coins does not like ripple. the point was asking someone who is semi anon to prove some meaningless thing on the internet!

i can prove all of my claims but why would i do so just cuz you demand it? who the fuck are you to demand personal information from me? you are a troll. you are scum. just about the only person in btcland who is more hated than you is matthew n wright. i know you are trying to be the most ignored and thus hated person and you think that is really cool (im sure it is your disability again) but that is not what normal people spend their time doing. tehy get a job and work or do something else productive.

im sure you will never learn and think that i am the one who is out of place here but whatever. you really should grow the fuck up, but don't do it to fast, cuz if you realize what a douche you are too quickly you just might top yourself.

now fuck off

[El Cabron]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

Nice try but not going to happen. I owe you nothing and I could careless what you think of me.

Even if things were not missing there is enough there to see nothing is owed, esp not 3740.35 BTC.

[smoothie]

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

You know, he did have theymos verifying the authenticity of the PMs. What else can we expect him to prove?

That I owe him BTC, or that the contract was not followed correctly.

He is claiming he is owed 3740.35 BTC. Just because Theymos said some PMs were real does not mean his claim is correct.

Is this troll bait or are you being serious? I honestly can not tell.

You claim that the OP did not cite all of your communications that are relevant.

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Still waiting for the other communication you have claimed is missing.

[El Cabron]

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Yeah, nice try. This seems to be over your head, I owe you nothing. You will get nothing.

[smoothie]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

Nice try but not going to happen. I owe you nothing and I could careless what you think of me.

Even if things were not missing there is enough there to see nothing is owed, esp not 3740.35 BTC.

Theymos tends to see it differently. That should tell you something.

But of course you can't get a clue. 

[smoothie]

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Yeah, nice try. This seems to be over your head, I owe you nothing. You will get nothing.

Right you owe me nothing...but it appears you may owe the OP something.

LOL

I thought replying to this thread was a waste of your time yet you still persist...lol 

Obviously that went over your head...

[MRKLYE]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

[El Cabron]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

Nice try but not going to happen. I owe you nothing and I could careless what you think of me.

Even if things were not missing there is enough there to see nothing is owed, esp not 3740.35 BTC.

Theymos tends to see it differently. That should tell you something.

But of course you can't get a clue. 

Theymos made it clear that he did not think 3740.35 was owed. Theymos also does not have all of the information so really it is moot anyway. He might think all or nothing is owed if he had all of the information.

Gurrty does not even think 3740.35 is owed he is just doing this out of spite, see his PMs. Let him do what he will do and if you want to work with him, best of luck!

You can just keep on doing what you do, it is not exactly making you look like a great fellow, but I doubt you care.

[smoothie]

Gurrty left out some of the PMs. He failed to include the ones where he black mailed me and threatened me.

PM screenshot:

https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time.

Not all of the PMs have been posted and not all of the communication was done over the forum.

A reasonable question was asked and it was ignored for a year until name calling and threats.

Someone was being reasonable and then someone responded in an unreasonable way. Simple as that.

^ Which means if your creditor says the wrong thing your debt is now 0.

He then responded with "Hello Scammer..."

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

Then Goat you should post what is missing in the communication you are speaking of.

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Yeah, nice try. This seems to be over your head, I owe you nothing. You will get nothing.

Right you owe me nothing...but it appears you may owe the OP something.

I thought replying to this thread was a waste of your time yet you still persist...lol 

Obviously that went over your head...

[smoothie]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

That says something when you get a VIP to change their username just to attempt to troll you.

I'm flattered lol....

It's f*cking hilarious he would put that as his username.

Goat, thanks but no thanks. We've already been over this when you offered yourself to me the other day.

Sorry I don't swing that way. 

[El Cabron]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

That says something when you get a VIP to change their username just to attempt to troll you.

I'm flattered lol....

yes, i know this is the type of attention you seek and you do get a sexual kick out of it.

you are a sick and twisted troll but at least you are predictable.

[smoothie]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

That says something when you get a VIP to change their username just to attempt to troll you.

I'm flattered lol....

you are predictable.

Likewise so are you Goat.

Divert attention

Play the Victim

talk about Attorneys

Withhold information

Attempt to troll

Always making excuses

[MRKLYE]

*grabs popcorn*

Lovers quarrel?

[El Cabron]

*grabs popcorn*

Lovers quarrel?

yeah, it seems that way. lol

[smoothie]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

[El Cabron]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

[bitdragon]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Something like this ?
"Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt."
https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png

[Shallow]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Stop changing your story lol 

[tarmi]

the only question here is whether Goat is a scammer or not.

[kuusj98]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

"as he did not give me BTC", what the hell did he give you then?
Please stop twisting everything around, from everything i've read here I can clearly see that you owe OP a certain number of BTC as stated in the original contract (as seen in the PM's which are the proof of this), and that you are not paying it, which I think makes you a thief and not even a small one.

[smoothie]

Goat is playing on a technicality on what was lent to him.

The problem with his head-fake here is that the contract states the conversion rate of bonds to BTC.

Pretty pathetic attempt to once again divert away from the very core issue....your debt.

[smoothie]

he gave you your

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Something like this ?
"Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt."
https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png

Supposedly goat wrote the contract and yet he fails to understand what is going on.

So funny.  

Off-Topic: "trolls's"?? ...why not "trolls's's's's's's"?

lol nice punctuation usage.

[El Cabron]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

[smoothie]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

[El Cabron]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

[elux]

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?

Sounds good.

I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Explain... Oh,

Goat is playing on a technicality on what was lent to him.

The problem with his head-fake here is that the contract states the conversion rate of bonds to BTC.

Goat, are you trying to pull a "Matthew Neill Wright" on Gurrty here? 

[El Cabron]

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?

Sounds good.

I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Explain... Oh,

Goat is playing on a technicality on what was lent to him.

The problem with his head-fake here is that the contract states the conversion rate of bonds to BTC.

Goat, are you trying to pull a "Matthew Neill Wright" on Gurrty here? 

No. The debt was priced in BTC to make it easy to track. He could have taken BTC right away like everyone else but he wanted 1% a week plus principle. He traded his bonds that were worth something for a high risk play to get more. Keep in mind he did not trade his bonds for BTC but for BTC that was invested, and it was not guaranteed. Go read the final contract not just the draft you guys keep pulling up.

You guys are looking at one part of the contract but ignoring the other parts. I did exactly what the contract said and I did it because this is what he wanted. I ended up losing more money trying to make this asshole happy. Honestly fuck him. Years later he still is trying to get something that is not his.

This really is a worthless thread and you are all getting trolled by OP.

OP is just sad he did not take the BTC when he had a chance. I should have never taken his bonds, I had no obligation to do so.

[El Cabron]

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

[El Cabron]

According to that contract you are NOT obligated to pay him a single penny back and i'm sure if the case goes to court you would win with no problems.  I just think that a mutual agreement could be arranged to make you both happy.  But that's up to you two guys to figure out. 
P.S. after asking you many times what HODL means i found out on my own no thanks to you lol
[/quote]

The ship has sailed on the mutual agreement.

Sorry about the not telling you what HODL meant. I do not post here/lurk as much as I used to and do not remember seeing any PMs from you on the topic. I'm sure I would have replied. Then again I can also be a huge asshole so that might have been it as well. Anyway sorry about that and please do not take it personal, my not replying was not meant as that. Peace.

[Gurrty]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC per bond principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

[El Cabron]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC per bond principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

You invested money in something and it went sideways. That happens all the time. There was no 100% principle to get back. BTC was lost. Things like Bitcoinica went down. The trading bot had a lot of issues and you knew that at the time. The bot was not guaranteed, it was experimental.

You have still yet to post even half of the PMs. Posting this stuff out of context is silly.

[Gurrty]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

gurrty,
I know you lost quite a few BTC in the deal but it was a "RISK" you took the risk and you lost. I do feel bad for you but to make this an issue 2 years later is not the right thing.  He didn't scam you according to whats been presented.

It was a very Expensive MISTAKE on your part nothing more.  Sorry Man and wish you the best of luck.

***Edit** if i had some BTC i would throw it your way to help you out but i don't.

I asked Goat if he was willing to buy me out for 0.8 BTC per bond. I wasn't really interested in high interest. I make this suggestion 2012-05-27. I also write with good insight that a high interest loan will be costly for him.

Gurrty, 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/GopBEmo.png

[DiamondCardz]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

gurrty,
I know you lost quite a few BTC in the deal but it was a "RISK" you took the risk and you lost. I do feel bad for you but to make this an issue 2 years later is not the right thing.  He didn't scam you according to whats been presented.

It was a very Expensive MISTAKE on your part nothing more.  Sorry Man and wish you the best of luck.

***Edit** if i had some BTC i would throw it your way to help you out but i don't.

In a scam accusation of such a large magnitude involving a very prominent party...I would stay out of their affairs. If it turns out to go in Gurrty's favor you will look like a massive sockpuppet.

[DiamondCardz]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

gurrty,
I know you lost quite a few BTC in the deal but it was a "RISK" you took the risk and you lost. I do feel bad for you but to make this an issue 2 years later is not the right thing.  He didn't scam you according to whats been presented.

It was a very Expensive MISTAKE on your part nothing more.  Sorry Man and wish you the best of luck.

***Edit** if i had some BTC i would throw it your way to help you out but i don't.

In a scam accusation of such a large magnitude involving a very prominent party...I would stay out of their affairs. If it turns out to go in Gurrty's favor you will look like a massive sockpuppet.

This is the second time you have poked your nose into my postings and "Advising" me on how/what/when and where to post  I appreciate your concern and your Sockpuppet theory is sitting right where it should be....In the garbage.  Have a great day

Gurrty i see you have tried negotiating but he did mention he was having Financial problems.  just try and talk it out with him.

Okay, I guess I'll have to put this in a less-than-nice way. Regardless of whether you're a shill or not you have no idea what you're poking your nose into...IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum, there's always some shit about him flying around. You want my honest opinion? Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

[El Cabron]

IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum

13 year old scammers always seem to make this claim. They see people like smoothie doing their trolling and assume its true. I know we have had bad blood in the past but really, you got what you should have got and I am not at all sorry for it.

Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

And why is that child? What do I owe this clown? Was I not reasonable in my attempt to work this out and did he not respond by saying "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

I'm sure you find that type of dialog copasetic but I do not deal with rude asshole like him or you. Deal with it.

[DiamondCardz]

IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum

13 year old scammers always seem to make this claim. They see people like smoothie doing their trolling and assume its true. I know we have had bad blood in the past but really, you got what you should have got and I am not at all sorry for it.

Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

And why is that child? What do I owe this clown? Was I not reasonable in my attempt to work this out and did he not respond by saying "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

I'm sure you find that type of dialog copasetic but I do not deal with rude asshole like him or you. Deal with it.

13 year old scammer, yes, of course, because I have scammed so many people. I do not really care for smoothie either but I still dislike what you are doing. Whether you attempted to work this out or not, the fact is that right now it is not "worked out" - you can't simply drop it because he pissed you off.

[El Cabron]

IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum

13 year old scammers always seem to make this claim. They see people like smoothie doing their trolling and assume its true. I know we have had bad blood in the past but really, you got what you should have got and I am not at all sorry for it.

Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

And why is that child? What do I owe this clown? Was I not reasonable in my attempt to work this out and did he not respond by saying "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

I'm sure you find that type of dialog copasetic but I do not deal with rude asshole like him or you. Deal with it.

13 year old scammer, yes, of course, because I have scammed so many people. I do not really care for smoothie either but I still dislike what you are doing. Whether you attempted to work this out or not, the fact is that right now it is not "worked out" - you can't simply drop it because he pissed you off.

This was resolved years ago. Just because he bitches years later does not mean it was not resolved. If he wants to report me to the FBI fine, let him to so.

[theymos]

Of course asking him to pay the full amount in BTC may be unreasonable but it isnt to expect him to pay a portion of the BTC as the repayment was to be over 100 weeks. In that time OP would have made quite a bit of $ too. That needs to be considered as well.

Yeah, I agree, though maybe we disagree about the appropriate percentage that should be repaid. Looks like this won't be settled here, though.

Yes. Not all of the PMs have been posted

If either of you want me to publish a complete list of the PMs between you, I can do that.

Anyway I have a suggestion for you. The list of VIP's that donated 50BTC to this forum reads almost like a "who's who" of bitcoin scammers. zhoutong, pirateat40, Graet,  imsaguy, TradeFortress, cryptoxchange..  Why dont you do your part, and refund Goat's 50BTC to Gurrty, and strip Goat of his VIP privileges?  At least it would be some small restitution to Gurrty,  it would show you do not want to be paid with stolen money and scammers can not buy protection from you with their stolen money, and if Goat wants to regain his VIP status, let him cough up the coins himself.

If I did that, then I'd have to hold all donated funds forever just in case the donator scammed someone, and the donations would be useless. The forum is not an insurance company.

I have reported Three more PMs to theymos.

Here they are:

I think we should meet in person. When can you get here?

It seems you should contact your broker because our records show at this time are owed nothing. If your records show differently please present the evidence, keep in mind all contracts you have made. Also if you would like to contact the FBI and or the SEC it is your right.

Best of luck

After looking up our records it seems this is an attempt to black mail me. Please do not contact me again or I will be forced to act accordingly. Please have your lawyer contact my lawyer if there is anything that needs to be done in a civil way. I will not speak to you again.

[El Cabron]

Yeah, I agree

To what part? And if it is "I should pay something", why do you think I should?

[x8008]

goat you are a fucking cunt.. asian cunt or japanese or whatever the fuck you are

[El Cabron]

goat you are a fucking cunt.. asian cunt or japanese or whatever the fuck you are

Yes, in your 2 weeks here you have figured it out and put it just so eloquently.

[Puppet]

If I did that, then I'd have to hold all donated funds forever just in case the donator scammed someone, and the donations would be useless. The forum is not an insurance company.

You think its plausible all forum donations, or even a majority are done with stolen funds? And if so, you wouldnt mind crowning the thieves "VIP" and keeping the money? As for holding the funds, you've been doing that anyway. You've been given ~6500 BTC, enough to buy a decent sized software firm, but after all these years we dont even have a search function that actually works. Why dont you do whats right for once, not because you have to, but because you can ?

[MadZ]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

[El Cabron]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

[smoothie]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

Then...

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

[MadZ]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

[El Cabron]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

Then...

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

have a nice nap? good to see you again. you attack me for not defending myself, you attack me for defending myself. you attack me for not posting, you attack me for posting.

do you really not have anything better to do in life? how are the welfare checks working out? I was shocked to see you getting them for so many years in a row. you know, some people here think people like you are scamming the system. we do not like supporting dead weight low lifes like yourself. but what can we do. some people just know how to milk the system.

[El Cabron]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

if it is a loan, should i just give him back what he "loaned" me? loan might be the word in the draft but that is not what it was. also the value placed on the bonds were not the current fair value and were only valued at that price because of other details in the contract.

[smoothie]

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Oh? How does that work?

1. Take Bonds that can be converted to BTC at the time from an investor.

2. Then plausibly lose all of that investment

3. You lose more? lol....

Unless of course you believed you owed him something by paying him back weekly and then stopping as it seems you did.

It is the OP's fault for you losing the entire investment and then paying him back for a few weeks as per your contract..and that equates to a "LOSS" for you?

That is priceless.

Take an investment, lose it all, then pay some of it back (NOT ALL) and call it a loss for yourself as if you still don't owe anything after what you paid so far to OP.

Your initial excuse of why you couldn't keep paying was because other people (Ponzi operator you helped) didn't give you all the funds that YOU invested.

Sounds like this is a recursive investment scheme....house of cards came tumbling down.

You still wrote the contract, and refuse to honor it despite being ABLE to honor it.

Good job buddy!  

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, lol 

[smoothie]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

Then...

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

have a nice nap? good to see you again. you attack me for not defending myself, you attack me for defending myself. you attack me for not posting, you attack me for posting.

do you really not have anything better to do in life? how are the welfare checks working out? I was shocked to see you getting them for so many years in a row. you know, some people here think people like you are scamming the system. we do not like supporting dead weight low lifes like yourself. but what can we do. some people just know how to milk the system.

And you cry cry cry that I "attacked" you every time.

You need new material goat your normal responses are getting quite old. 

[smoothie]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

 loan might be the word in the draft but that is not what it was.

Priceless ^  

A loan is not a loan when the word "loan" is being used in the contract. lol

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

[El Cabron]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

 loan might be the word in the draft but that is not what it was.

Priceless ^  

A loan is not a loan when the word "loan" is being used in the contract. lol

i know that the word draft is a big word, and intent is a big word. but you can learn what these words mean. look them up buddy. you have used my tax money to pay for internet, use it all you can. you need all the help you can get.

[wachtwoord]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Oh you are the one paying him? Could you please stop

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Oh you are the one paying him? Could you please stop

If I do so I will have to go to jail. It is almost worth it, I know.

[Gurrty]

When Goat is writing "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

[smoothie]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Quite?

Quite being a scammer. LOL  

[El Cabron]

When Goat write "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

I don't think you know smoothie very well. Despite everything that has gone on and the way you reacted I still think you are human.

smoothie is the most hated and despised person that is allowed to post on this forum. He is by far the most ignored.

Most people would not piss on him if he was on fire, you on the other hand just reacted badly to a fair question. and sadly it is just my policy not to deal with people who use terrorist threats. if you want to use the FBI as your enforcer, you do that. smoothie here has more posts in this thread than you, and he has no clue what is going on.

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Quite?

Quite being a scammer. LOL  

you noticed I typoed from a phone! You get a gold star!

[smoothie]

When Goat wrote "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

Trust me Goat's insults are half-baked and has been used QUITE a few times in his responses. Doesn't phase me one bit. In fact makes me laugh.

Originality isn't his strong-point.  

On Topic: Just because it was a draft doesn't mean you can change all of the words. Sounds like you were being very selective in how you word things as to find a way out of your commitments. Sounds like a typical attorney. But then again an attorney would know the difference between the words "QUITE" and "QUIT".

[smoothie]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Quite?

Quite being a scammer. LOL  

you noticed I typoed from a phone! You get a gold star!

Justify your errors.  Keep going.... the next justification for his words or actions is coming folks.

Justify why he shouldn't repay the OP.

I think it is funny that Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare yet he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Just like you asked your own family to loan you money as you claimed. Good job getting on the self-justified welfare system. 

[smoothie]

When Goat write "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

I don't think you know smoothie very well. Despite everything that has gone on and the way you reacted I still think you are human.

smoothie is the most hated and despised person that is allowed to post on this forum. He is by far the most ignored.

Most people would not piss on him if he was on fire, you on the other hand just reacted badly to a fair question. and sadly it is just my policy not to deal with people who use terrorist threats. if you want to use the FBI as your enforcer, you do that. smoothie here has more posts in this thread than you, and he has no clue what is going on.

Ignored =/= Hated.

Use a dictionary. 

[smoothie]

It is now very apparent Goat doesn't intend on repaying any portion of the debt he owes the OP despite countless forum users posting here justifying why they believe he should. Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

[El Cabron]

Justify why he shouldn't repay the OP.

You think i should give him back what he gave me? i have no problem with that. Gurrty you cool with what your friend smoothie the troll wants?

Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare

It is true is it not? You are going to deny it and get exposed as a lier?

he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Some times it is worth while to borrow money, but as everyone know, I pay my debts. Sadly you do not pay back what you take.

[Gurrty]

So is Goat interested in sending me back what he owe me?

This time around am I still open to talk about it. I suggest Goat send me 3740.35 BTC back and no lawyers are needed. Goat knows he will loose in court.

[theymos]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

[haploid23]

I suggest Goat send me 3740.35 BTC back and no lawyers are needed. Goat knows he will loose in court.

Not going to happen, seeing how btc price is where it's at right now.

[smoothie]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

At the very least I agree here.

The 100 week repayment would have been much more than the USD value of the principal.

[El Cabron]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

[WhatsBitcoin]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on. I agree with what Theymos said. 100 coins would be double the value of what it was back then which I think is decent. 100 coins obviously means nothing to you anyways - you lost 50 coins at Just-dice this morning in 11 seconds and laughed it off.

[El Cabron]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

[wachtwoord]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

Because it seems like you owe the guy something.

[Gurrty]

Even if I would have traded every weekly payment in USD, one 50 BTC principle payment per week is worth much 2013-2014. This contract is BTC denominated. How can ANYONE loan someone BTC and one, two years later only get USD value for that date.

I know BTC value will rise more in future as well. If someone offered me to loan me 50 BTC and only need to pay back USD value two years later it is almost certain I will only need to perhaps pay back 25 BTC or much less.

[El Cabron]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on. 100 coins obviously means nothing to you anyways - you lost 50 coins at Just-dice this morning in 11 seconds and laughed it off.

you posted more so ill post again, the amount of coins i lose and laugh at is not the point here. clearly 50 btc is fuck all, that is not the point. just cuz the us govt can pay off many terrorists should they do so? i dont get this line of thought at all.

[El Cabron]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

Because it seems like you owe the guy something.

okay, i will ask you the same thing i asked him a year ago. what do i owe him, and why?   he responded with "scammer, ill call fbi" a year later, please do not do the same.

[KingOfSports]

So Goat, do I owe bigbitz the illegal loan I was given and was not able to provide back since it was on "good faith"? The community has flagged me as a scammer for it. How are you no different?

[El Cabron]

Even if I would have traded every weekly payment in USD, one 50 BTC principle payment per week is worth much 2013-2014. This contract is BTC denominated. How can ANYONE loan someone BTC and one, two years later only get USD value for that date.

I know BTC value will rise more in future as well. If someone offered me to loan me 50 BTC and only need to pay back USD value two years later it is almost certain I will only need to perhaps pay back 25 BTC or much less.

you did not loan me BTC. the contract is not denominated in btc, but is denominated in btc that is invested and is not guaranteed.

by the way, you really need to post the full contract so we can get done talking about the draft.

[El Cabron]

So Goat, do I owe bigbitz the illegal loan I was given and was not able to provide back since it was on "good faith"? The community has flagged me as a scammer for it. How are you no different?

i have not read your contract, but it seems your loan was in btc and not bonds. OP here could have taken BTC at the time but did not want to do so. he took a risk and failed. i highly doubt your situation is anything like this, but maybe it is...

[smoothie]

i do not deal well with terrorists.

Question = Extortion = Terrorism = APOCALYPSE lol

Stretch the truth MOAR!  

[El Cabron]

i do not deal well with terrorists.

Question = Extortion = Terrorism = APOCALYPSE lol

Stretch the truth MOAR!  

sigh... I want every one to know smoothie is an American and he is being paid by the govt.

[Gurrty]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

I will not call FBI or go to court if you can work to get this solved. I hope I don't "need to" like I wrote. I expect Goat to present a good compensation by free will.

[wachtwoord]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

Because it seems like you owe the guy something.

okay, i will ask you the same thing i asked him a year ago. what do i owe him, and why?   he responded with "scammer, ill call fbi" a year later, please do not do the same.

I'm not involved at all and I did not read in-depth, but didn't you technically promise to pay him back 100 BTC per month and didn't do so? Shouldn't that be enough no matter what insults or threats he made later? Especially since you were one of the few who seemed to make good on their contracts even after Pirate defaulted (so did ineedausername, Hashking is a fucking scammer and so are many others).

It's none of my business, so I'll leave it at that, but you haven't convinced me you don't owe him anything.

[El Cabron]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

Because it seems like you owe the guy something.

okay, i will ask you the same thing i asked him a year ago. what do i owe him, and why?   he responded with "scammer, ill call fbi" a year later, please do not do the same.

I'm not involved at all and I did not read in-depth, but didn't you technically promise to pay him back 100 BTC per month and didn't do so? Shouldn't that be enough no matter what insults or threats he made later? Especially since you were one of the few who seemed to make good on their contracts even after Pirate defaulted (so did ineedausername, Hashking is a fucking scammer and so are many others).

It's none of my business, so I'll leave it at that, but you haven't convinced me you don't owe him anything.

Did you not read the contract? I said I would try my best to do so, and I did. The value of his bonds and more were lost. If anything he owes me.

[wachtwoord]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

Because it seems like you owe the guy something.

okay, i will ask you the same thing i asked him a year ago. what do i owe him, and why?   he responded with "scammer, ill call fbi" a year later, please do not do the same.

I'm not involved at all and I did not read in-depth, but didn't you technically promise to pay him back 100 BTC per month and didn't do so? Shouldn't that be enough no matter what insults or threats he made later? Especially since you were one of the few who seemed to make good on their contracts even after Pirate defaulted (so did ineedausername, Hashking is a fucking scammer and so are many others).

It's none of my business, so I'll leave it at that, but you haven't convinced me you don't owe him anything.

Did you not read the contract? I said I would try my best to do so, and I did. The value of his bonds and more were lost. If anything he owes me.

Right now you own more than the value of the loan so you obviously did not do your best (you would be able to pay right this instant).

What am I missing here because you seem really convinced you are right

[smoothie]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

Because it seems like you owe the guy something.

okay, i will ask you the same thing i asked him a year ago. what do i owe him, and why?   he responded with "scammer, ill call fbi" a year later, please do not do the same.

I'm not involved at all and I did not read in-depth, but didn't you technically promise to pay him back 100 BTC per month and didn't do so? Shouldn't that be enough no matter what insults or threats he made later? Especially since you were one of the few who seemed to make good on their contracts even after Pirate defaulted (so did ineedausername, Hashking is a fucking scammer and so are many others).

It's none of my business, so I'll leave it at that, but you haven't convinced me you don't owe him anything.

Did you not read the contract? I said I would try my best to do so, and I did. The value of his bonds and more were lost. If anything he owes me.

Right now you own more than the value of the loan so you obviously did not do your best (you would be able to pay right this instant).

What am I missing here because you seem really convinced you are right

It doesn't appear he is going to pay OP out of his own free will.

[El Cabron]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

Offer this guy 100 coins and move on.

why? cuz he said he would call the fbi? does that not open me up to all sorts of extortion? i do not deal well with terrorists.

Because it seems like you owe the guy something.

okay, i will ask you the same thing i asked him a year ago. what do i owe him, and why?   he responded with "scammer, ill call fbi" a year later, please do not do the same.

I'm not involved at all and I did not read in-depth, but didn't you technically promise to pay him back 100 BTC per month and didn't do so? Shouldn't that be enough no matter what insults or threats he made later? Especially since you were one of the few who seemed to make good on their contracts even after Pirate defaulted (so did ineedausername, Hashking is a fucking scammer and so are many others).

It's none of my business, so I'll leave it at that, but you haven't convinced me you don't owe him anything.

Did you not read the contract? I said I would try my best to do so, and I did. The value of his bonds and more were lost. If anything he owes me.

Right now you own more than the value of the loan so you obviously did not do your best (you would be able to pay right this instant).

What am I missing here because you seem really convinced you are right

I see your point. But you are right, you are missing details that OP has not yet given out. Keep in mind OP did post he thought he was only owed the fiat value of what he invested from the start. You do not know why he thought this, but the fact that he thought this should clue you in on the fact things are missing from his story.

Anyway, I think I have a solution to all of this but will give some time to think it over and word it correctly. 



 

[dooglus]

It seems to be this thread is full of people arguing about a contact that nobody other than OP and Goat have read.

Isn't that a bit silly?  Why don't one of you post a copy of the final signed contract so we can at least see what both parties agreed to?

[El Cabron]

It seems to be this thread is full of people arguing about a contact that nobody other than OP and Goat have read.

Isn't that a bit silly?  Why don't one of you post a copy of the final signed contract so we can at least see what both parties agreed to?

It would be silly for me to do so as i have no complaint, but OP is clearly welcome and free to do so.

[El Cabron]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

[smoothie]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

After all of the side-stepping and attention diversions it is good to hear you will be doing this.

Let's see what actually happens as talk is still very cheap.

[El Cabron]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

After all of the side-stepping and attention diversions it is good to hear you will be doing this.

Let's see what actually happens as talk is still very cheap.

As for your "diversions" that is bull shit. I do not agree with theymos and his orders but he is boss of this forum and owner of GLBSE. I will repay OP as theymos thinks is just but as GLBSE owner theymos needs to tell me what his bonds were worth at the time.

Once theymos places the value of his bonds at the time of the contract as he claimed is fair, the payment of funds will be directed to OP as he sees fit.

theymos, I await the fair value price of the bonds you sold. Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

[smoothie]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

After all of the side-stepping and attention diversions it is good to hear you will be doing this.

Let's see what actually happens as talk is still very cheap.

As for your "diversions" that is bull shit. I do not agree with theymos and his orders but he is boss of this forum and owner of GLBSE. I will repay OP as theymos thinks is just but as GLBSE owner theymos needs to tell me what his bonds were worth at the time.

Once theymos places the value of his bonds at the time of the contract as he claimed is fair, the payment of funds will be directed to OP as he sees fit.

theymos, I await the fair value price of the bonds you sold. Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

lol uh ok...

Kiss ass some more. 

Your diversion tactics are childish at best.

But good luck to you in repaying your "debt" which was said to be a "loan" but wasn't a loan or whatever lolz.

[El Cabron]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

After all of the side-stepping and attention diversions it is good to hear you will be doing this.

Let's see what actually happens as talk is still very cheap.

As for your "diversions" that is bull shit. I do not agree with theymos and his orders but he is boss of this forum and owner of GLBSE. I will repay OP as theymos thinks is just but as GLBSE owner theymos needs to tell me what his bonds were worth at the time.

Once theymos places the value of his bonds at the time of the contract as he claimed is fair, the payment of funds will be directed to OP as he sees fit.

theymos, I await the fair value price of the bonds you sold. Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

lol uh ok...

Kiss ass some more.

Your diversion tactics are childish at best.

But good luck to you in repaying your "debt" which was said to be a "loan" but wasn't a loan or whatever lolz.

I am not kissing ass, I am doing what I am told.

Edit: I wonder how much Gurrty said he would give theymos if he "fixed" the issue.

[wachtwoord]

Let's just wait for the OP to confirm he agrees to abide by Theymos' ruling (if he wants to) and for Theymos to advice on a settlement price and this topic can be closed.

[smoothie]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

After all of the side-stepping and attention diversions it is good to hear you will be doing this.

Let's see what actually happens as talk is still very cheap.

As for your "diversions" that is bull shit. I do not agree with theymos and his orders but he is boss of this forum and owner of GLBSE. I will repay OP as theymos thinks is just but as GLBSE owner theymos needs to tell me what his bonds were worth at the time.

Once theymos places the value of his bonds at the time of the contract as he claimed is fair, the payment of funds will be directed to OP as he sees fit.

theymos, I await the fair value price of the bonds you sold. Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

lol uh ok...

Kiss ass some more.

Your diversion tactics are childish at best.

But good luck to you in repaying your "debt" which was said to be a "loan" but wasn't a loan or whatever lolz.

I am not kissing ass, I am doing what I am told.

Edit: I wonder how much Gurrty said he would give theymos if he "fixed" the issue.

Lol yes you supposedly are doing what you are told.

The funny thing is you tried to justify your way out of it for what 8 pages of this thread?  

[smoothie]

Let's just wait for the OP to confirm he agrees to abide by Theymos' ruling (if he wants to) and for Theymos to advice on a settlement price and this topic can be closed.

  This should be interesting.

[El Cabron]

Let's just wait for the OP to confirm he agrees to abide by Theymos' ruling (if he wants to) and for Theymos to advice on a settlement price and this topic can be closed.

  This should be interesting.

I do not care if OP is okay with it or not. theymos clearly is the one who makes the rules here. theymos after all confirmed  the PMs showing how deeply he is concerned with the issue.  Most free thinking people would need a warrant to do what theymos did. There clearly is no stopping theymos from resolving this, he has me by the balls. If I do not obey who knows what he will do.

[dooglus]

Once theymos places the value of his bonds at the time of the contract as he claimed is fair, [...]

Does theymos know the time of the contract?  It seems this would be a prerequisite.

[El Cabron]

Once theymos places the value of his bonds at the time of the contract as he claimed is fair, [...]

Does theymos know the time of the contract?  It seems this would be a prerequisite.

Clearly the draft was dated. The real contract, assuming there was one, should be shortly after?

Edit: I know this seems half baked but we must stay in the good grace of our leader. What else can we do? anyway he has access to all the info needed I am sure. If not he can ask OP.

[El Cabron]

Glad to see you are working this out. hopefully this puts an end to it.

Goat it appears people are saying i'm your schill if that's the case i just have 1 question to ask.....Where did i park the lambo i would like to go for a drive 

Ha, you can thank our controller theymos. He commands, we obey.

Sadly the lambo is in the country where theymos lives and in a country where I am not.

[El Cabron]

Glad to see you are working this out. hopefully this puts an end to it.

Goat it appears people are saying i'm your schill if that's the case i just have 1 question to ask.....Where did i park the lambo i would like to go for a drive 

Ha, you can thank our controller theymos. He commands, we obey.

Sadly the lambo is in the country where theymos lives and in a country where I am not.

Nah theymos won't talk to me anymore he's mad at me i think. so is theymos getting a cut of the settlement?

I do not know, but I wonder about that. His ruling seems pretty odd.

[Kluge]

If someone can get Goat to give me 50BTC, I'll split it halvsies. I'm sure I must've lost money with him at some point. Alternately, Goat, I am willing to save you 20BTC if you simply send me 30. I'm a generous kind of guy.

[El Cabron]

If someone can get Goat to give me 50BTC, I'll split it halvsies. I'm sure I must've lost money with him at some point. Alternately, Goat, I am willing to save you 20BTC if you simply send me 30. I'm a generous kind of guy.

Thanks for your support and kind words. It is a mess this is, really.

[Atruk]

If someone can get Goat to give me 50BTC, I'll split it halvsies. I'm sure I must've lost money with him at some point. Alternately, Goat, I am willing to save you 20BTC if you simply send me 30. I'm a generous kind of guy.

Thanks for your support and kind words. It is a mess this is, really.

2012 broke many things. Fortunes, reputations, Thermos, and more.

[wachtwoord]

If someone can get Goat to give me 50BTC, I'll split it halvsies. I'm sure I must've lost money with him at some point. Alternately, Goat, I am willing to save you 20BTC if you simply send me 30. I'm a generous kind of guy.

Thanks for your support and kind words. It is a mess this is, really.

2012 broke many things. Fortunes, reputations, Thermos, and more.

I'll say this much. I would much rather have Goat owe me money than the ones who actually do.

[El Cabron]

If someone can get Goat to give me 50BTC, I'll split it halvsies. I'm sure I must've lost money with him at some point. Alternately, Goat, I am willing to save you 20BTC if you simply send me 30. I'm a generous kind of guy.

Thanks for your support and kind words. It is a mess this is, really.

2012 broke many things. Fortunes, reputations, Thermos, and more.

Yes it did. Thank you. Some of us tried our best to deal with what theymos wanted us to do. It was my fault for doing what theymos asked me when he wanted me to work for GLBSE and sell pirate shares for him. This is very well documented and it is clear not only did he profit but theymos still holds GLBSE BTC. Some of the BTC is owed to either me or Grutty depending on who you ask.

[El Cabron]

If someone can get Goat to give me 50BTC, I'll split it halvsies. I'm sure I must've lost money with him at some point. Alternately, Goat, I am willing to save you 20BTC if you simply send me 30. I'm a generous kind of guy.

Thanks for your support and kind words. It is a mess this is, really.

2012 broke many things. Fortunes, reputations, Thermos, and more.

I'll say this much. I would much rather have Goat owe me money than the ones who actually do.

I know the feeling. Just the amount theymos owes me is shocking.

[theymos]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

[Kluge]

Wait. How do we know Goat isn't paying thermos?

ETA: emailed PG to compare pedophile board postings. We'll get to the bottom of this.

[smoothie]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

Seems fair.  

[El Cabron]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

Theymos did you not try to sell your ownership in GLBSE via GLBSE stock? Theymos did you not ask me to work for GLBSE and sell pirate shares to you and for you? Theymos, you need to back up your claims. Did you ever own GLBSE stock and did you ever try to sell GLBSE stock? Do you still hold BTC that was once held by GLBSE? You were the treasurer and publicly admited to holding our BTC. Do you owe me or Grutty BTC that was once held by GLBSE? If you do not still hold the GLBSE BTC what did you do with it?

These are very important questions you need to answer as you are clearly caught in a lie. Theymos, we are watching you and we know what you have done in the past. To claim you never were involved in GLBSE is just silly.

Edit: I had assumed theymos would admit he owned GLBSE (everyone knows he did) and was thus an authority on the price of the bonds he sold. The fact that he claims he is not an owner nor did he sell bonds no longer makes him an authority on the price. The price he claims is owed is invalid as long as theymos claims he never owned GLBSE.

[N12]

So basically, what you intend to do now is just distract from yourself and accuse others of nonsense? You really are obnoxious. Others, who do not know you well enough, fell for your ruse and really did just think that you were willing to work it out on good faith. Meanwhile, all you want to do is flail around in order to do everything but admit your faults.

[smoothie]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

Theymos did you not try to sell your ownership in GLBSE via GLBSE stock? Theymos did you not ask me to work for GLBSE and sell pirate shares to you and for you? Theymos, you need to back up your claims. Did you ever own GLBSE stock and did you ever try to sell GLBSE stock? Do you still hold BTC that was once held by GLBSE? You were the treasurer and publicly admited to holding our BTC. Do you owe me or Grutty BTC that was once held by GLBSE? If you do not still hold the GLBSE BTC what did you do with it?

These are very important questions you need to answer as you are clearly caught in a lie. Theymos, we are watching you and we know what you have done in the past. To claim you never were involved in GLBSE is just silly.

Edit: I had assumed theymos would admit he owned GLBSE (everyone knows he did) and was thus an authority on the price of the bonds he sold. The fact that he claims he is not an owner nor did he sell bonds no longer makes him an authority on the price. The price he claims is owed is invalid as long as theymos claims he never owned GLBSE.

And the diverting of attention off of the debt ...begins...

[smoothie]

So basically, what you intend to do now is just distract from yourself and accuse others of nonsense? You really are obnoxious. Others, who do not know you well enough, fell for your ruse and really did just think that you were willing to work it out on good faith. Meanwhile, all you want to do is flail around in order to do everything but admit your faults.

This is the way of Goat ^ 

[N12]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

[smoothie]

 Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

Ha, you can thank our controller theymos. He commands, we obey.

 The price he claims is owed is invalid as long as theymos claims he never owned GLBSE.

 

[El Cabron]

So basically, what you intend to do now is just distract from yourself and accuse others of nonsense? You really are obnoxious. Others, who do not know you well enough, fell for your ruse and really did just think that you were willing to work it out on good faith. Meanwhile, all you want to do is flail around in order to do everything but admit your faults.

How can Theymos price bonds he claims he did not sell? Are you yet again trolling or ignorant? With you I can never tell.

We all know theymos sold GLBSE bond and holds GLBSE coin. The fact that you do not point this out just shows me what type of person you are.

[smoothie]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

Last I remember he was banned for that for like several months.

[El Cabron]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

[El Cabron]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

Last I remember he was banned for that for like several months.

That is how it goes here.

[smoothie]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

After all of the shady deals you've done on this forum from Pirate to Tygrr to Rice Fields....

You deserve a ban. Now the flailing around and side-stepping.

[El Cabron]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

After all of the shady deals you've done on this forum from Pirate to Tygrr to Rice Fields....

You deserve a ban. Now the flailing around and side-stepping.

theymos asked my to sell pirate bonds for him and to him. I never sold anything related to rice fields.

theymos will ban me if he wills. he has the power.

[smoothie]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

After all of the shady deals you've done on this forum from Pirate to Tygrr to Rice Fields....

You deserve a ban. Now the flailing around and side-stepping.

theymos asked my to sell pirate bonds for him and to him. I never sold anything related to rice fields.

theymos will ban me if he wills. he has the power.

Once again point the attention at someone else to get it off of you.

Not all moderators who have the ability to ban were involved in Pirate or your PPT etc etc.

[El Cabron]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

After all of the shady deals you've done on this forum from Pirate to Tygrr to Rice Fields....

You deserve a ban. Now the flailing around and side-stepping.

theymos asked my to sell pirate bonds for him and to him. I never sold anything related to rice fields.

theymos will ban me if he wills. he has the power.

Once again point the attention at someone else to get it off of you.

Not all moderators who have the ability to ban were involved in Pirate or your PPT etc etc.

but clearly theymos was involved not only in glbse ownership and pirate bond selling but also me getting banned.

and you are more or less saying if i do not obey theymos im going to get banned again. well to that i say fine, ban me again. the truth is the truth. if theymos needs to ban me again he can ban me again.

[smoothie]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

After all of the shady deals you've done on this forum from Pirate to Tygrr to Rice Fields....

You deserve a ban. Now the flailing around and side-stepping.

theymos asked my to sell pirate bonds for him and to him. I never sold anything related to rice fields.

theymos will ban me if he wills. he has the power.

Once again point the attention at someone else to get it off of you.

Not all moderators who have the ability to ban were involved in Pirate or your PPT etc etc.

but clearly theymos was involved not only in glbse ownership and pirate bond selling but also me getting banned.

and you are more or less saying if i do not obey theymos im going to get banned again. well to that i say fine, ban me again. the truth is the truth. if theymos needs to ban me again he can ban me again.

Nope you said it:

 Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

[El Cabron]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

After all of the shady deals you've done on this forum from Pirate to Tygrr to Rice Fields....

You deserve a ban. Now the flailing around and side-stepping.

theymos asked my to sell pirate bonds for him and to him. I never sold anything related to rice fields.

theymos will ban me if he wills. he has the power.

Once again point the attention at someone else to get it off of you.

Not all moderators who have the ability to ban were involved in Pirate or your PPT etc etc.

but clearly theymos was involved not only in glbse ownership and pirate bond selling but also me getting banned.

and you are more or less saying if i do not obey theymos im going to get banned again. well to that i say fine, ban me again. the truth is the truth. if theymos needs to ban me again he can ban me again.

Nope you said it:

 Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

But then he clearly lied about never owning GLBSE. Everyone knows not only did he get involved in the pirate bond trade but he tried to sell GLBSE stock. If he is going to lie about this, how can anyone trust him about what something is worth?

I just do not understand why he would lie about something that is so known by everyone. No one should obey blindly someone who is a lier. He must be scarred of something.

I honestly assume theymos was an honest guy but clearly he is not. This changes everything. How do I even know theymos is not paying you or you are his sock? If theymos is a lier everything is questionable.

[smoothie]

Hell, I recall he was banned for this exact type of behaviour in the past. It's theymos who had the mercy to unban him a while after.

I would not be shocked to be banned again. Pointing out the truth of who stole what gets you banned in a place like this.

After all of the shady deals you've done on this forum from Pirate to Tygrr to Rice Fields....

You deserve a ban. Now the flailing around and side-stepping.

theymos asked my to sell pirate bonds for him and to him. I never sold anything related to rice fields.

theymos will ban me if he wills. he has the power.

Once again point the attention at someone else to get it off of you.

Not all moderators who have the ability to ban were involved in Pirate or your PPT etc etc.

but clearly theymos was involved not only in glbse ownership and pirate bond selling but also me getting banned.

and you are more or less saying if i do not obey theymos im going to get banned again. well to that i say fine, ban me again. the truth is the truth. if theymos needs to ban me again he can ban me again.

Nope you said it:

 Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

But then he clearly lied about never owning GLBSE. Everyone knows not only did he get involved in the pirate bond trade but he tried to sell GLBSE stock. If he is going to lie about this, how can anyone trust him about what something is worth?

I just do not understand why he would lie about something that is so known by everyone. No one should obey blindly someone who is a lier. He must be scarred of something.

I honestly assume theymos was an honest guy but clearly he is not. This changes everything. How do I even know theymos is not paying you or you are his sock? If theymos is a lier everything is questionable.

Let the paranoia ensue. 

[El Cabron]

Well every one now knows theymos is a lier and thus will not and should not be trusted.

[Xelpherpolis]

Don't mind me, but where is this going? From a report on goat to now accusing a moderator?

[Gurrty]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

[El Cabron]

Don't mind me, but where is this going? From a report on goat to now accusing a moderator?

theymos is the admin who holds gurrtys glbse funds.

[El Cabron]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

i do not agree with theymos but as soon as he gives me the btc he owes me that he holds for glbse i will forward it to you.

[Gurrty]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

i do not agree with theymos but as soon as he gives me the btc he owes me that he holds for glbse i will forward it to you.

Really?

[N12]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

i do not agree with theymos but as soon as he gives me the btc he owes me that he holds for glbse i will forward it to you.

Now everyone have a good look at what a vile piece of shit he is.

theymos, I await the fair value price of the bonds you sold. Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

[El Cabron]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

i do not agree with theymos but as soon as he gives me the btc he owes me that he holds for glbse i will forward it to you.

Really?

Yes. And we can make it public. As soon as theymos is ready to send the BTC I will post an address in this thread so we can all see. After that, I will send directly to you.

All we have to do now is wait for theymos to dig up the GLBSE coins he holds. After all he is the treasurer of GLBSE and a significant owner.

Keep in mind I do not agree with theymos but I will still send you the coins once they are sent back to me. We must obey theymos or get banned!

theymos after all as owner of GLBSE sold you the bonds that he valued. He is the one who took your BTC!

[El Cabron]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

i do not agree with theymos but as soon as he gives me the btc he owes me that he holds for glbse i will forward it to you.

Now everyone have a good look at what a vile piece of shit he is.

theymos, I await the fair value price of the bonds you sold. Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

oh, did he sell them or not? he can not have it both ways can he?

does he own GLBSE stock or not? how can he sell it yet not own it?

do you not understand that theymos is a lier and a scammer?

how can you not see it? with you i never know if you are really that ignorant or if it is troll bait.

[smoothie]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

i do not agree with theymos but as soon as he gives me the btc he owes me that he holds for glbse i will forward it to you.

lol oh how I am not surprised this is the route you are taking. 

[N12]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

[smoothie]

i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

So theymos judge 39,265.02 USD is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thank you Goat for accepting this debt.

I understand I can decide if I want a bank transfer or BTC? I prefer Goat to send me BTC equal to 39,265.02 USD. It can be a bit hard to decide exact market price. But I suggest Todays Open on bitstamp 2014-05-25. That is 528.44 USD per BTC.

That is 74.3 BTC. Thoughts?

It should be sent to this address;

1G5w9hA4FCYbCxwUSnCUy799AHfcBGdHnQ

i do not agree with theymos but as soon as he gives me the btc he owes me that he holds for glbse i will forward it to you.

Now everyone have a good look at what a vile piece of shit he is.

theymos, I await the fair value price of the bonds you sold. Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

Not surprising how shitty Goat is acting.

lol

[El Cabron]

I just don't understand.

No shock here.

[El Cabron]

This was a PM from theymos to me.

I don't have any GLBSE data. You'll have to get pricing info elsewhere.

He has no valid data. We will have to get it elsewhere.

We must do as our commander commands.

Gurrty seems you are out of luck for now.

Edit: Gurrty do not lose hope, I have faith theymos will do the right thing. Eyes are watching him now!

[smoothie]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

It is just a dirt-bag method of not paying up what he owes.

This should be a clear-as-day example of how Goat conducts business.

Whether or not he has done honest deals in the past is irrelevant as it shows he is capable of being a scammer when it comes down to it.

Anyone who knows Goat's past will know he has a very shady one and likes to play his divert attention and blame games when he gets cornered into admitting his faults.

[El Cabron]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

It is just a dirt-bag method of not paying up what he owes.

This should be a clear-as-day example of how Goat conducts business.

Whether or not he has done honest deals in the past is irrelevant as it shows he is capable of being a scammer when it comes down to it.

Anyone who knows Goat's past will know he has a very shady one and likes to play his divert attention and blame games when he gets cornered into admitting his faults.

lol, if I really scammed people would know. Theymos clearly lied and hold the coins theymos claims is owed.

Just cuz you make a claim it does not mean anything at all. You are the most ignored person on the forum. we all know you can not be trusted. blitz and matthew n wright are right behind you. and now sadly theymos is turning out to be just as fail when he got caught selling bonds and holding the btc. sad sad day for theymos and his friends.

oh well, what can you do... 

gurrty what should we do here?

[smoothie]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

It is just a dirt-bag method of not paying up what he owes.

This should be a clear-as-day example of how Goat conducts business.

Whether or not he has done honest deals in the past is irrelevant as it shows he is capable of being a scammer when it comes down to it.

Anyone who knows Goat's past will know he has a very shady one and likes to play his divert attention and blame games when he gets cornered into admitting his faults.

lol, if I really scammed people would know. Theymos clearly lied and hold the coins theymos claims is owed.

Just cuz you make a claim it does not mean anything at all. You are the most ignored person on the forum. we all know you can not be trusted. blitz and matthew n wright are right behind you. and now sadly theymos is turning out to be just as fail when he got caught selling bonds and holding the btc. sad sad day for theymos and his friends.

oh well, what can you do... 

gurrty what should we do here?

How is that finger-pointing working out for you? Still at it. 

[El Cabron]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

It is just a dirt-bag method of not paying up what he owes.

This should be a clear-as-day example of how Goat conducts business.

Whether or not he has done honest deals in the past is irrelevant as it shows he is capable of being a scammer when it comes down to it.

Anyone who knows Goat's past will know he has a very shady one and likes to play his divert attention and blame games when he gets cornered into admitting his faults.

lol, if I really scammed people would know. Theymos clearly lied and hold the coins theymos claims is owed.

Just cuz you make a claim it does not mean anything at all. You are the most ignored person on the forum. we all know you can not be trusted. blitz and matthew n wright are right behind you. and now sadly theymos is turning out to be just as fail when he got caught selling bonds and holding the btc. sad sad day for theymos and his friends.

oh well, what can you do... 

gurrty what should we do here?

How is that finger-pointing working out for you? Still at it. 

funny how in all of this,  all that happened is that we caught theymos not telling the truth and yet you attack me for not being the one who scammed.

oh smoothie.... you are amazing.

[smoothie]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

It is just a dirt-bag method of not paying up what he owes.

This should be a clear-as-day example of how Goat conducts business.

Whether or not he has done honest deals in the past is irrelevant as it shows he is capable of being a scammer when it comes down to it.

Anyone who knows Goat's past will know he has a very shady one and likes to play his divert attention and blame games when he gets cornered into admitting his faults.

lol, if I really scammed people would know. Theymos clearly lied and hold the coins theymos claims is owed.

Just cuz you make a claim it does not mean anything at all. You are the most ignored person on the forum. we all know you can not be trusted. blitz and matthew n wright are right behind you. and now sadly theymos is turning out to be just as fail when he got caught selling bonds and holding the btc. sad sad day for theymos and his friends.

oh well, what can you do... 

gurrty what should we do here?

How is that finger-pointing working out for you? Still at it. 

funny how in all of this,  all that happened is that we caught theymos not telling the truth and yet you attack me for not being the one who scammed.

oh smoothie.... you are amazing.

Funny how you make Theymos' issue with GLBSE the issue with your creditor.

That's the funny thing.

Looks like you aren't going to pay your debt. Not surprising.

[smoothie]

Honestly I should have blocked this guy years ago and this thread is a waste of my time.

Gurrty can do what Gurrty wants to do.

 

[El Cabron]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

It is just a dirt-bag method of not paying up what he owes.

This should be a clear-as-day example of how Goat conducts business.

Whether or not he has done honest deals in the past is irrelevant as it shows he is capable of being a scammer when it comes down to it.

Anyone who knows Goat's past will know he has a very shady one and likes to play his divert attention and blame games when he gets cornered into admitting his faults.

lol, if I really scammed people would know. Theymos clearly lied and hold the coins theymos claims is owed.

Just cuz you make a claim it does not mean anything at all. You are the most ignored person on the forum. we all know you can not be trusted. blitz and matthew n wright are right behind you. and now sadly theymos is turning out to be just as fail when he got caught selling bonds and holding the btc. sad sad day for theymos and his friends.

oh well, what can you do... 

gurrty what should we do here?

How is that finger-pointing working out for you? Still at it. 

funny how in all of this,  all that happened is that we caught theymos not telling the truth and yet you attack me for not being the one who scammed.

oh smoothie.... you are amazing.

Funny how you make Theymos' issue with GLBSE the issue with your creditor.

That's the funny thing.

Looks like you aren't going to pay your debt. Not surprising.

And what is it again you think I owe? Some bonds that theymos sold and collected BTC for?

If theymos is paying you to protect him he is not getting his BTC worth. Honestly I think he should pay you to stop.

[Gurrty]

I want my fair share of this BTC stash.

[smoothie]

Person A owes person B. Person C owes person A.

Person A has enough money to pay off person B. Person A tells Person B he will need Person C to pay him before B can be paid.

I just don't understand the link here.

It is just a dirt-bag method of not paying up what he owes.

This should be a clear-as-day example of how Goat conducts business.

Whether or not he has done honest deals in the past is irrelevant as it shows he is capable of being a scammer when it comes down to it.

Anyone who knows Goat's past will know he has a very shady one and likes to play his divert attention and blame games when he gets cornered into admitting his faults.

lol, if I really scammed people would know. Theymos clearly lied and hold the coins theymos claims is owed.

Just cuz you make a claim it does not mean anything at all. You are the most ignored person on the forum. we all know you can not be trusted. blitz and matthew n wright are right behind you. and now sadly theymos is turning out to be just as fail when he got caught selling bonds and holding the btc. sad sad day for theymos and his friends.

oh well, what can you do... 

gurrty what should we do here?

How is that finger-pointing working out for you? Still at it. 

funny how in all of this,  all that happened is that we caught theymos not telling the truth and yet you attack me for not being the one who scammed.

oh smoothie.... you are amazing.

Funny how you make Theymos' issue with GLBSE the issue with your creditor.

That's the funny thing.

Looks like you aren't going to pay your debt. Not surprising.

And what is it again you think I owe? Some bonds that theymos sold and collected BTC for?

If theymos is paying you to protect him he is not getting his BTC worth. Honestly I think he should pay you to stop.

Let your paranoia ensue. 

[El Cabron]

I want my fair share of this BTC stash.

So do I.

There are a whole hell of a lot of people who want it and theymos so far has not given it back to anyone who is owed anything!

My pointing this out is why I got banned last time and I fully expect theymos to ban me again, but I do not care. It is time to give up what is not yours!

[st4nl3y]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

[El Cabron]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

if only we had some way to get theymos some coin to get a working forum.

[st4nl3y]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

if only we had some way to get theymos some coin to get a working forum.

maybe it's not logged properly in db as you only changed your name recently, i think

EDIT: can't even reply   

[El Cabron]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

if only we had some way to get theymos some coin to get a working forum.

maybe it's not logged properly in db as you only changed your name recently, i think

well i tried to send you a pm.

[lyth0s]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

if only we had some way to get theymos some coin to get a working forum.

maybe it's not logged properly in db as you only changed your name recently, i think

well i tried to send you a pm.

Goat and I PM'd a few times a while back on bitcoin price speculation and investment for the future etc, which was all fine and dandy. A few weeks later I sent him a PM asking if he wanted to start a project with me, he did not respond. A week or so later I asked him again nicely if he had considered it or if he wasn't interested so I could move on without him. Sometime after that he left me negative trust for "spamming" him "twice". WTF? Not only was that uncalled for (you could have just said, "no I'm not interested in that"), but is also abuse of the trust system IMO.

PM'ing Goat is dangerous for your trust rating, which is admittedly flawed as it is anyways.

To Goat: I sent you 1 PM and a follow up PM to see if I should move on without you. I clearly wasn't "spamming" you. Can you please remove that trust rating?

[st4nl3y]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

if only we had some way to get theymos some coin to get a working forum.

maybe it's not logged properly in db as you only changed your name recently, i think

well i tried to send you a pm.

can't reply either, i will try later

[El Cabron]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

if only we had some way to get theymos some coin to get a working forum.

maybe it's not logged properly in db as you only changed your name recently, i think

well i tried to send you a pm.

Goat and I PM'd a few times a while back on bitcoin price speculation and investment for the future etc, which was all fine and dandy. A few weeks later I sent him a PM asking if he wanted to start a project with me, he did not respond. A week or so later I asked him again nicely if he had considered it or if he wasn't interested so I could move on without him. Sometime after that he left me negative trust for "spamming" him "twice". WTF? Not only was that uncalled for (you could have just said, "no I'm not interested in that"), but is also abuse of the trust system IMO.

PM'ing Goat is dangerous for your trust rating, which is admittedly flawed as it is anyways.

To Goat: I sent you 1 PM and a follow up PM to see if I should move on without you. I clearly wasn't "spamming" you. Can you please remove that trust rating?

done but please do not spam me. Thx

[dooglus]

I think it is funny that Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare yet he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Just like you asked your own family to loan you money as you claimed. Good job getting on the self-justified welfare system. 

There's quite a big difference between borrowing money from friends and family who consent to the loan and accepting money that was taken from strangers against their will under threat of violence.  I wouldn't say they were "just like" each other in any way.

[dooglus]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

Try sending to "Goat" instead.  The forum software apparently doesn't like the apostrophe in his new name, but the original name still works.

[smoothie]

I think it is funny that Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare yet he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Just like you asked your own family to loan you money as you claimed. Good job getting on the self-justified welfare system. 

There's quite a big difference between borrowing money from friends and family who consent to the loan and accepting money that was taken from strangers against their will under threat of violence.  I wouldn't say they were "just like" each other in any way.

What are you even talking about? Violence?

[wachtwoord]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

if only we had some way to get theymos some coin to get a working forum.

maybe it's not logged properly in db as you only changed your name recently, i think

well i tried to send you a pm.

can't reply either, i will try later

Just type "goat" in the two field.

[st4nl3y]

sorry to interrupt, goat, i just wanted to ask you something but i get "Unable to find member 'smoothie's man crush" ?

Try sending to "Goat" instead.  The forum software apparently doesn't like the apostrophe in his new name, but the original name still works.

Thanks.

[Gurrty]

Goat sad yesterday he was willing to pay me. Today this not seems to be serious anymore. I don't think it's so funny to here more excuses that theymos need to send Goat bitcoin first or whatever.

[TheEvilSocks]

Any links to a block explorer to confirm these payments?

[Mousepotato]

Goat still owes me 427 BTC for the Tyggr bond buy back request I initiated over a week before it Pirate started getting flakey with the BTCST payments. I'm not mad or anything, but it would be nice if he made good on his word.

[smoothie]

Goat still owes me 427 BTC for the Tyggr bond buy back request I initiated over a week before it Pirate started getting flakey with the BTCST payments. I'm not mad or anything, but it would be nice if he made good on his word.

Proof?

Screenshots?

Can you get a mod to confirm this claim?

[Xelpherpolis]

I fail to understand why goat needs to be paid this BTC when its owed to the other, just pay the guy who is owed it. No middle man is needed and I really don't see the point? Looks like a cut and run to me.

[smoothie]

I fail to understand why goat needs to be paid this BTC when its owed to the other, just pay the guy who is owed it. No middle man is needed and I really don't see the point? Looks like a cut and run to me.

Goat is just that way. He is right and never wrong. As his actions/ways are now being shown clear as day.

[Mousepotato]

Goat still owes me 427 BTC for the Tyggr bond buy back request I initiated over a week before it Pirate started getting flakey with the BTCST payments. I'm not mad or anything, but it would be nice if he made good on his word.

Proof?

Screenshots?

Can you get a mod to confirm this claim?

If Theymos can restore PMs, I can prove this but my account got hacked and they wiped my PMs.

[bigasic]

Gurtty, would you accept 200BTC as payment in full? I mean, in the summer of '12 you said you would accept the dollar value, I believe in the summer of 12 the btc was at 8 dollars or so, that would have been worth about 30k (Just rounding the numbers in my head). 200BTC is just a tiny fraction of what is owed, but in dollar terms is worth about 120k.

Maybe you guys should be discussing something like this.. Im just trying to throw out some ideas so this can be taken care of.

Now, if your willing to drop the amount to that level and Goat still wont work with you, then the only option is Legal action. If I were in this mess, I would be willing to take a substantial hit just to settle it, especially since you are broke, Gurtty. Im hoping you guys can get an open dialogue going.

Hope it works out..

Edit: I am just throwing out numbers as examples, but if you both are willing to give and take, there is no reason that 2 grown adults shouldn't be able to work this out.

[wachtwoord]

Gurtty, would you accept 200BTC as payment in full? I mean, in the summer of '12 you said you would accept the dollar value, I believe in the summer of 12 the btc was at 8 dollars or so, that would have been worth about 30k (Just rounding the numbers in my head). 200BTC is just a tiny fraction of what is owed, but in dollar terms is worth about 120k.

Maybe you guys should be discussing something like this.. Im just trying to throw out some ideas so this can be taken care of.

Now, if your willing to drop the amount to that level and Goat still wont work with you, then the only option is Legal action. If I were in this mess, I would be willing to take a substantial hit just to settle it, especially since you are broke, Gurtty. Im hoping you guys can get an open dialogue going.

Hope it works out...

He has already accepted a far lower figure.

[smoothie]

Gurtty, would you accept 200BTC as payment in full? I mean, in the summer of '12 you said you would accept the dollar value, I believe in the summer of 12 the btc was at 8 dollars or so, that would have been worth about 30k (Just rounding the numbers in my head). 200BTC is just a tiny fraction of what is owed, but in dollar terms is worth about 120k.

Maybe you guys should be discussing something like this.. Im just trying to throw out some ideas so this can be taken care of.

Now, if your willing to drop the amount to that level and Goat still wont work with you, then the only option is Legal action. If I were in this mess, I would be willing to take a substantial hit just to settle it, especially since you are broke, Gurtty. Im hoping you guys can get an open dialogue going.

Hope it works out...

He has already accepted a far lower figure.

LOL

Yeah he accepted what Theymos "would" say ...then turned it around and is expecting Theymos to pay for it.

So no actually he didn't.

Adult? LOL

[BawsyBoss]

No one here should be pointing fingers at others (I saw some of that in the pages before). This being public should only be for throwing in ideas on how to solve it, but let them decide for themselves what to do.

[El Cabron]

Goat still owes me 427 BTC for the Tyggr bond buy back request I initiated over a week before it Pirate started getting flakey with the BTCST payments. I'm not mad or anything, but it would be nice if he made good on his word.

Proof?

Screenshots?

Can you get a mod to confirm this claim?

If Theymos can restore PMs, I can prove this but my account got hacked and they wiped my PMs.

There is no reason to doubt his claim. However there is no easy way to solve this issue. The GLBSE owners like theymos are not willing to cooperate and are the only brokers.

Also the fact that theymos still holds GLBSE coins that he admits are not his is not helping either.

[El Cabron]

Goat sad yesterday he was willing to pay me. Today this not seems to be serious anymore. I don't think it's so funny to here more excuses that theymos need to send Goat bitcoin first or whatever.

You gave the coins to GLBSE, GLBSE shuct down with your coin inside. Now theymos has GLBSE coin that is not his. Theymos thinks you should have this coin and even though I think theymos is wrong theymos can do what he will.

I talked to my lawyer and if I get coins from theymos from GLBSE I will have to pay out to everyone who has a claim. This means maybe not enough coins to go around.  Gurrty it would be best for you to work something out with theymos directly unless theymos is willing to pay me 100% of what GLBSE owes me.

I hope you understand, and best of luck.

[El Cabron]

No one here should be pointing fingers at others (I saw some of that in the pages before). This being public should only be for throwing in ideas on how to solve it, but let them decide for themselves what to do.

It has been resolved. we are now just waiting for theymos to follow though.

Edit: Or at least tell us why he will not pay out the GLBSE coins he still holds. anyway we are all waiting for theymos to act.

[El Cabron]

I think it is funny that Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare yet he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Just like you asked your own family to loan you money as you claimed. Good job getting on the self-justified welfare system.  

There's quite a big difference between borrowing money from friends and family who consent to the loan and accepting money that was taken from strangers against their will under threat of violence.  I wouldn't say they were "just like" each other in any way.

What are you even talking about? Violence?

The state will jail me if I do not pay my taxes (this by many here is thought of a violence). You then get my money in the form of welfare and other "gifts" with out my consent.  

My family who lent me money had the option to say no with out going to jail. Also the family got the money back. I did not give the money I got from them to you.

I understand why you are such a mess in real life if you honestly can not tell the difference between a personal loan and how the tax system works. Then again maybe the only people care are the people paying, not the ones getting.

[El Cabron]

I fail to understand why goat needs to be paid this BTC when its owed to the other, just pay the guy who is owed it. No middle man is needed and I really don't see the point? Looks like a cut and run to me.

I never got BTC so there is no way for me to "repay" the BTC. The BTC is in the hands of theymos who holds the GLBSE bitcoin.

Many people here think that Gurrty loaned me BTC because that is what some poorly written draft made it look like but that is not the case. Gurrty did not send me BTC and Gurrty never sent me BTC. Gurrty can not prove that he ever sent me BTC.

People who say that I should give the BTC back are being silly as there was nothing ever given to me in the first place.

The reason why I would need to be paid BTC before I can return it is that I never got it in the first place! How can I give something back I never got?

[Gurrty]

Me and Goat did a deal outside GLBSE long before it shut down.

GLBSE don't mean so much. It was just a web page for easier securities management. Investments can be totally private funded in person, email, phone. What is important is that a company or person have asked for money and have liabilities to pay something back.

Goat did get 10000 BTC from the GLBSE IPO.

[El Cabron]

Goat did get 10000 BTC from the GLBSE IPO.

Bull shit.

[El Cabron]

Me and Goat did a deal outside GLBSE long before it shut down.

you traded GLBSE assets for GLBSE assets. Now GLBSE is gone and Theymos has the BTC.

Theymos has the GLBSE coin and is an owner of GLBSE. You need to deal with Theymos.

[Gurrty]

Goat did get 10000 BTC from the GLBSE IPO.

Bull shit.

Goat did get 10000 BTC from the GLBSE IPO. Something else is not true. If your word is honest these money is funded for a arbitrage trading bot. Perhaps you left all 10000 BTC on your GLBSE account?

Me and Goat did a deal outside GLBSE long before it shut down.

you traded GLBSE assets for GLBSE assets. Now GLBSE is gone and Theymos has the BTC.

Theymos has the GLBSE coin and is an owner of GLBSE. You need to deal with Theymos.

I did not get another GLBSE asset. You sent me a contract by pm.

[El Cabron]

You traded a GLBSE asset for an asset on GLBSE. Theymos is now the only person that I know of who is still on this forum who has access to GLBSE BTC and data.

If you read the contract carefully you will see what you traded it for. I no longer have access to GLBSE or the coins.

Theymos is a GLBSe owner and holds the GLBSE coins. He is the only one with the ability to get you back the BTC you sent to GLBSE. If theymos thinks you should get a refund for you assets fine let him do it. However I think theymos is 100% wrong in the matter but there is nothing I can do about it.

[Gurrty]

I did not get another GLBSE asset. Only your word i pm.

[El Cabron]

Read the contract.

[Gurrty]

Read the contract.

Please quote it. It is not written in the contract.

[El Cabron]

Read the contract.

Please quote it. It is not written in the contract.

my point is you seem to not understand.

[Gurrty]

Read the contract.

Please quote it. It is not written in the contract.

my point is you seem to not understand.

You need to quote it.

[smoothie]

No one here should be pointing fingers at others (I saw some of that in the pages before). This being public should only be for throwing in ideas on how to solve it, but let them decide for themselves what to do.

These type of general deals have been public. We all know Goat ran a Pirate Pass Through that assisted PirateAt40's ponzi scheme as well as other deals. Nothing secret about that...other than how much Goat actually pocketed at investors' expense.

[smoothie]

I think it is funny that Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare yet he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Just like you asked your own family to loan you money as you claimed. Good job getting on the self-justified welfare system.  

There's quite a big difference between borrowing money from friends and family who consent to the loan and accepting money that was taken from strangers against their will under threat of violence.  I wouldn't say they were "just like" each other in any way.

What are you even talking about? Violence?

The state will jail me if I do not pay my taxes (this by many here is thought of a violence). You then get my money in the form of welfare and other "gifts" with out my consent.  

My family who lent me money had the option to say no with out going to jail. Also the family got the money back. I did not give the money I got from them to you.

I understand why you are such a mess in real life if you honestly can not tell the difference between a personal loan and how the tax system works. Then again maybe the only people care are the people paying, not the ones getting.

What are you blabbing about? lol

Question wasn't directed at you.

You are a pro when it comes to making excuses and playing the victim. Not a surprise there. 

[smoothie]

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

1. The borrower is Chang-Noi and his Tygrr-bot team. - Borrower has been made clear.

2. The contract equals to 5762 BTC in debt. - Debt amount is clear.

3. After all 100 Payments the debt is void. - Payment plan is clear.

4. Investments for which the debt are used will not be disclosed specifically - So no one can really know where Goat put the actual value of this debt. Could have been cashed out into goat pellets for all we know. Finger pointing by Goat to GLBSE is irrelevant just by this statement as he can't prove his claim and it never was specified where the debt could/would go.

5. Payment plan is clear again at 1% a week and 1% interest per week.

6. Goat had the option to buyback the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC per Tygrr-bot share - He offered him later 0.5 BTC per share lol

7.And lastly at the bottom it says "This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written." - So saying this contradicts the "working draft" statement. - LOL again

[El Cabron]

@ gurrty

You clearly do not understand the contract but that is not my problem. I was willing to work with you in 2013 because I felt sorry for you and I know how it is to fall on hard times. However you responded to my polite question a year later and did so with name calling and threats. At this point in time you can take the coin from theymos or sue me directly. I have talked to my lawyer about this and the contract will be tossed out and you would end up owing me the BTC that I sent you, and I would have to return the assets. If this is the path you want to take fine. I also want to point out that in terms of fiat you have gained more than $500,000 than you invested. No court is going to have sympathy for you. If you can even find a court that is willing to accept the case, we are ready.

@ theymos

I still do not agree that gurrty should get anything but since you are a GLBSE owner, and you hold the GLBSE coins even if I wanted to stop you there is nothing I could do. I guess it is just lucky for Gurrty you are so understanding.

When you give back the coins in the terms of fiat he invested to gurrty will you please give the rest of us back our coins in the terms of fiat invested. You have a huge amount of GLBSE coins that you did not earn. Please refund us, please do not keep the rest of the coins for yourself.


@ smoothie

We all know Goat ran a Pirate Pass Through that assisted PirateAt40's ponzi scheme

At the personal request of theymos. theymos wanted this listed on GLBSE. At the time I assumed it was just to get more GLBSE fees but it seems now it was much more than that. theymos by far was the largest person who "assisted" Pirate. I was trying to get favor with theymos at the time however in the end I think he abused my trust. theymos and GLBSE were the ones who took a huge amount of profit because of fees (read the GLBSE logs). theymos has also admitted he profited from this investment directly and admitted he was reading Pirates personal messages. You want to bring up this topic? Fine, talk about it all you will.

Question wasn't directed at you.

Half the posts in this thread are from you and most of them are off topic. Yet when I answer your question in a correct and polite way you tell me to fuck off? What is wrong with you? If the question was a secret then use the PM system! (Oh wait, you can not even do that, theymos will still post PMs in public.)

You are way out of line and have nothing to do with anything in this thread.  All you have done is expressed your love for theymos and your hate for me. Sadly however for you, all you have done is exposed theymos to issues that he banned me before for talking about. I'm sure he is loving you right now. Anyway we have all spent too much time with you and people like you are why this forum has turned to shit. You are on ignore and I will be spending a whole lot less time on this forum. The trolls win!


@ everyone else.   Peace and love, I will be here from time to time (assuming I do not get banned) so send me a PM if you wish. I will also be around but every time I come to this forum I just feel negativity. Catch ya around.

[x8008]

is goat in jail yet?

[Xelpherpolis]

Is this still going on? I am surprised some forum banning has not happened, or at least scammer beware tags.

[zolace]

Op you shouldnt post contract without confirming with a lawyer first, it can actually do you harm

[smoothie]

First this...

I will repay OP as theymos thinks is just.

Please advise. I am willing to follow your commands.

Then this...  

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...

Then this... 

@ theymos

I still do not agree that gurrty should get anything but since you are a GLBSE owner, and you hold the GLBSE coins even if I wanted to stop you there is nothing I could do. I guess it is just lucky for Gurrty you are so understanding.

When you give back the coins in the terms of fiat he invested to gurrty will you please give the rest of us back our coins in the terms of fiat invested. You have a huge amount of GLBSE coins that you did not earn. Please refund us, please do not keep the rest of the coins for yourself.

[smoothie]

[Xelpherpolis]

The logic ruins my brain. Also, great meme.

[El Cabron]

No money was borrowed. You guys fail so hard.

[wachtwoord]

No money was borrowed. You guys fail so hard.

The right information is just not available here.

[satoshcode]

Talk to this guys:

http://blog.coinapex.com/2014/05/major-u-s-law-firm-mclaughlin-stern-accepts-bitcoin/

Goat is got no chance on this one, he will have to pay you back. I bet you these lawyers will be extremely happy to take your case.

So relax you are getting your money back, is only common sense. Goat lost already.

[Sydboy]

Goat why were you going to pay him in 2012 if you did not think you owed ?
you did nothing for a year, instead of pay him 100btc a week as per the contract.. he was obviously upset
and because you are the slimliest piece of shit you did not pay anything and used as an excuse.

everything you have done is exactly what all of us guessed would happen when  this thread was on page 1.
you are the biggest piece of shit. Smoothie is 100% correct.

You come here and flash your lambo around, and say you paid your debts, well it doesn't look like it.
you really do make me sick. you assisted Pirate in running the pass-thru, took money from people, used your position to trick people. you said everyone who did not no what pirate was doing was stupid.
i hope you loose everything, it wouldnt of happen to a nicest scum bag.

i likehow you delete your posts, like you did in cognitive thread.. did your lawyer advise you to do that ?
i doubt  you even have a lawyer, you just like to say lawyer. everything you are involved in here ends in "lawyers". keep your posts for your lawyer to read, what have you to hide ? you think you so smart. you a scared little slimebag. no honour.. nothing.. this forum is your life. you sad sad little man.

p.s go fuck yourself.

[escrow.ms]

Goat you seriously didn't had money to pay back OP last year?
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png  May 24, 2013

(WTB) Lamborghini, used. $90,000 to $150,000 USA or Thailand not Orange!
June 06, 2013

[Marbit]

Let me get this straight. Goat is a scammer now? Is it just me or does it seem like so many of the old school people who have been around so long eventually scam people? How is it that some of the richest people in BTC become scammers?

[V.Kodoff]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

[wachtwoord]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

Does it have jurisdiction for this?

[Prez]

Let me get this straight. Goat is a scammer now? Is it just me or does it seem like so many of the old school people who have been around so long eventually scam people? How is it that some of the richest people in BTC become scammers?

I think they live above their means and then run out of money and resort to loans or scams to keep living above their means.

People have to realize a currency with the traits of bitcoin will attract the lowest of the lows.

[smoothie]

Goat you seriously didn't had money to pay back OP last year?
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png  May 24, 2013

(WTB) Lamborghini, used. $90,000 to $150,000 USA or Thailand not Orange!
June 06, 2013

Looks like the truth is slowly coming out.

[OgNasty]

Let me get this straight. Goat is a scammer now? Is it just me or does it seem like so many of the old school people who have been around so long eventually scam people? How is it that some of the richest people in BTC become scammers?

Goat has always been a scammer.  The only reason anyone even knows who he is, is because he threw around a lot of BTC that he scammed through various GLBSE offerings.  I've been saying this for literally years now...  Why the entire community isn't aware that he is a scammer, I have no idea.  I wish I had kept better records of the BTC I lost in the various Tygrr crap offerings...  Might be worth doing some digging if there are actually funds to be claimed.

[x8008]

he left me negative trust and called me a scammer for posting in this thread, theymos if you are reading please remove it from my account

thanks

[V.Kodoff]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

Does it have jurisdiction for this?

What jurisdiction?
As part of European Union and with our own laws,everyone can be sued based on proofs in civil case.
Defendant have right to defend his self in the court,but if he don't visit it,the case can continue even without him.
If the claimant won the case,and the court give his last words,like i said as part of European Union,the court can claim arrest via Interpol if the defendant is trying to hide or run away.
Yes we do have laws for bitcoins here,and yes we do pay taxes.
As taxpayer ofcourse you have rights and they are strictly protected from the laws.

[wachtwoord]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

Does it have jurisdiction for this?

What jurisdiction?
As part of European Union and with our own laws,everyone can be sued based on proofs in civil case.
Defendant have right to defend his self in the court,but if he don't visit it,the case can continue even without him.
If the claimant won the case,and the court give his last words,like i said as part of European Union,the court can claim arrest via Interpol if the defendant is trying to hide or run away.
Yes we do have laws for bitcoins here,and yes we do pay taxes.
As taxpayer ofcourse you have rights and they are strictly protected from the laws.

At least someone needs to be European for that I would assume?

[V.Kodoff]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

Does it have jurisdiction for this?

What jurisdiction?
As part of European Union and with our own laws,everyone can be sued based on proofs in civil case.
Defendant have right to defend his self in the court,but if he don't visit it,the case can continue even without him.
If the claimant won the case,and the court give his last words,like i said as part of European Union,the court can claim arrest via Interpol if the defendant is trying to hide or run away.
Yes we do have laws for bitcoins here,and yes we do pay taxes.
As taxpayer ofcourse you have rights and they are strictly protected from the laws.

At least someone needs to be European for that I would assume?

That's right,and here comes our part. We are European firm with European license and we represent our claimant.
When someone doing a crime,the court don't care is he European citizen or not.
Peoplest must start believe in the court and that the laws actually protect them as taxpayers.
Not sure why all of you are negative about starting case agaisnt the scammers?

[wachtwoord]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

Does it have jurisdiction for this?

What jurisdiction?
As part of European Union and with our own laws,everyone can be sued based on proofs in civil case.
Defendant have right to defend his self in the court,but if he don't visit it,the case can continue even without him.
If the claimant won the case,and the court give his last words,like i said as part of European Union,the court can claim arrest via Interpol if the defendant is trying to hide or run away.
Yes we do have laws for bitcoins here,and yes we do pay taxes.
As taxpayer ofcourse you have rights and they are strictly protected from the laws.

At least someone needs to be European for that I would assume?

That's right,and here comes our part. We are European firm with European license and we represent our claimant.
When someone doing a crime,the court don't care is he European citizen or not.
Peoplest must start believe in the court and that the laws actually protect them as taxpayers.
Not sure why all of you are negative about starting case agaisnt the scammers?

Is Gurrty a European citizen? If not, I don't see how this can work.

[User705]

Is this still going on? I am surprised some forum banning has not happened, or at least scammer beware tags.

The forum doesn't ban people any more. 
Nvm MP got banned recently.  Anyways what are all carrying on about, Goat is a very reasonable person. 

[smoothie]

Let me get this straight. Goat is a scammer now? Is it just me or does it seem like so many of the old school people who have been around so long eventually scam people? How is it that some of the richest people in BTC become scammers?

Goat has always been a scammer.  The only reason anyone even knows who he is, is because he threw around a lot of BTC that he scammed through various GLBSE offerings.  I've been saying this for literally years now...  Why the entire community isn't aware that he is a scammer, I have no idea.  I wish I had kept better records of the BTC I lost in the various Tygrr crap offerings...  Might be worth doing some digging if there are actually funds to be claimed.

It couldn't hurt to dig through your PMs and forum posts.

[CustomChickenDelivery]

@ wachtwoord: I think gurrty is French. Can anyone confirm?

I don't understand why Theymos is dragged into this, he didn't sign any contract.


I have no dog in this fight, but in the last year, when Goat was accusing people of serious crimes,

he did once make a friend cry, literally. He was like a self-declared Torquemada.

It really did seem this would go on forever.


Then Goat announced he was deleting posts and was toning down his presence.

I knew something was up. Then Gurrty comes out of the woodwork, and opens Pandora's Box.


 
edit: I just read pankakke's refs in Goats feedback. I get it.

[El Cabron]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

If you really are a lawyer I would love to work with you and see this case go to court. I would be very interested in what a real court who understands all of the information thinks.

Everyone here does not even have half of the information and does not even know what Gurrty got back. His assets went to shit when GLBSE went down so now he is taking an old draft of a contract and claiming he wants BTC now. Even though he never paid any BTC.

You guys are idiots to make a judgment you know nothing about. Think there is more to this? Think there is a reason why Gurrty waited years to bring up parts of this?
Do you really think he thinks he is owed anything? No if he really thought he was owed something he would do more than just bitch about it.

Come on Gurrty lets go to court and put everything on the table!

[El Cabron]

That's right,and here comes our part. We are European firm with European license and we represent our claimant.
When someone doing a crime,the court don't care is he European citizen or not.
Peoplest must start believe in the court and that the laws actually protect them as taxpayers.
Not sure why all of you are negative about starting case agaisnt the scammers?

This is interesting. When the contract gets voided by the court, will Gurrty have to return to me the 1,000 BTC at its current price or will he just have to give me back the fiat value of the BTC at the time? I assume all he would only owe me the fiat value at the time but has thee been any cases like this?

[El Cabron]

I don't understand why Theymos is dragged into this, he didn't sign any contract.

He got himself into this posting PMs, and making judgments about how much gurrty is owed despite later claiming he has no information about the topic. He also ended up with the assets and the coins. Theymos is an owner and a treasurer of GLBSE. He still hold our GLBSE coins. Since theymos has gurrtys coins if theymos thinks gurrty should get back the coins gurrty gave to theymos then theymos can give coins to gurrty. I however do not think Gurrty is owed anything at all and the contract was completed in full.

Also Smoothie went off topic about Pirate and since Theymos was a huge help to Pirate he got dragged into it that way.

But really theymos is the only one here who can return the coins and the assets. I never got BTC from Gurrty but theymos did. Trying to call this a BTC loan is just silly. 

[User705]

I don't understand why Theymos is dragged into this, he didn't sign any contract.

He got himself into this posting PMs, and making judgments about how much gurrty is owed despite later claiming he has no information about the topic. He also ended up with the assets and the coins. Theymos is an owner and a treasurer of GLBSE. He still hold our GLBSE coins. Since theymos has gurrtys coins if theymos thinks gurrty should get back the coins gurrty gave to theymos then theymos can give coins to gurrty. I however do not think Gurrty is owed anything at all and the contract was completed in full.

Also Smoothie went off topic about Pirate and since Theymos was a huge help to Pirate he got dragged into it that way.

But really theymos is the only one here who can return the coins and the assets. I never got BTC from Gurrty but theymos did. Trying to call this a BTC loan is just silly. 

So there was a contract and it was completed in full or there was no contract and only a draft or there's more to this or theymos owes gurrty or everything just depends on how you feel on that particular day.  ROFL

[El Cabron]

there's more to this

Clearly.

[V.Kodoff]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

If you really are a lawyer I would love to work with you and see this case go to court. I would be very interested in what a real court who understands all of the information thinks.

Everyone here does not even have half of the information and does not even know what Gurrty got back. His assets went to shit when GLBSE went down so now he is taking an old draft of a contract and claiming he wants BTC now. Even though he never paid any BTC.

You guys are idiots to make a judgment you know nothing about. Think there is more to this? Think there is a reason why Gurrty waited years to bring up parts of this?
Do you really think he thinks he is owed anything? No if he really thought he was owed something he would do more than just bitch about it.

Come on Gurrty lets go to court and put everything on the table!

Don't get me wrong,i have nothing against you or anything,but,if that's true what Gurrty said you have many reasons to be worried.
First of all i like to inform you that we already have completed 10+ crypto cases and all of them was pleasant for our custumer.
In other way,if Gurrty have something to hide,and we start that case,he will be the one who must be worried.
Not sure about the laws in Thai or US but here we have a special court which endup that kind of cases for less than month if everything is okay with the evidences.
Like i already said i am willing to START it for free if he got evidences for starting it and he is prepared for it,which obviously prove i am not here to merch or profit from anyone without result.
Believe me,i am not an idiot And that kind of rude "defence" from your part do not fit you...
I know from almost nothing to nothing about this,that's why i ask him to contact me and talk about what's going on and is that enough to start a case.
The court i have in mind already had many crypto cases and they are pretty familiar with it and how to check what they need to.
If he don't have anything to hide and can provide evidence then he is loosing time with disputes here.
Secondly,not sure why u are so worried when you are not guilty

That's right,and here comes our part. We are European firm with European license and we represent our claimant.
When someone doing a crime,the court don't care is he European citizen or not.
Peoplest must start believe in the court and that the laws actually protect them as taxpayers.
Not sure why all of you are negative about starting case agaisnt the scammers?

This is interesting. When the contract gets voided by the court, will Gurrty have to return to me the 1,000 BTC at its current price or will he just have to give me back the fiat value of the BTC at the time? I assume all he would only owe me the fiat value at the time but has thee been any cases like this?

Not sure what your contract is but when i find out,i will be able to answer all your questions.
I am not here to judge none of you,but helping the true goes transparent.
Its okay for me if he want to start that case to post and show the whole process public here in the forum with all the documents from our firm + the court ones about that case.
And i like to inform you that none of you are obliged to be European citizen to be sued in Europe.
Same as visiting the court about the case is also not obliged.
The accused have right to defend him self but also if he don't visit the court about the case,that won't end it and it can go thru without him (ofcourse that's not good idea for the accused).
I suggest both of you to clear this before it goes worst.
Because if he start the case against you,and it turns out that he owns you money not the inverse,then the court won't be lenient for the timewaste and the lies and the case can go with 220km agaisnt the plaintiff.
So once again,i will first meet the evidences,the claim and before we start if he wants to,i will explain him the risks and benefits.
The coin always got 2 sides and i am not ignorant to see only the one.
Goat,if you have nothing to be worried about,i suggest you to be more restrained with your speeches because believe me or not,even posts on forums can be count as evidence here.
This also applies to the Gurrty.
So once again,please,try your best to complete this without intervention of court,because if we start that case,the court will require all the evidences about this and it may go really bad.

Edit: I like to add just a last note.
The court not using English language,and the defendant may need translator because we giving such to the applicant.
The case can start from lower instance or go straight to Supreme court.
Just like to inform you that the assessment of the Supreme court cannot be appealed,but the lower instances can be up to 3 times before it goes to Supreme.
If the case start in the Special court,none of the lower instances or the Supreme court can appeal the decision.
So there is many ways to start this in favour to plaintiff if he have the right evidences.

[smoothie]

I don't understand why Theymos is dragged into this, he didn't sign any contract.

He got himself into this posting PMs, and making judgments about how much gurrty is owed despite later claiming he has no information about the topic. He also ended up with the assets and the coins. Theymos is an owner and a treasurer of GLBSE. He still hold our GLBSE coins. Since theymos has gurrtys coins if theymos thinks gurrty should get back the coins gurrty gave to theymos then theymos can give coins to gurrty. I however do not think Gurrty is owed anything at all and the contract was completed in full.

Also Smoothie went off topic about Pirate and since Theymos was a huge help to Pirate he got dragged into it that way.

But really theymos is the only one here who can return the coins and the assets. I never got BTC from Gurrty but theymos did. Trying to call this a BTC loan is just silly.  

The contract states that the proceeds of the bonds put into your possession were not to be disclosed how they were invested/liquidated/etc.

The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

How does anyone know what you claim is true?

Even if it is true your actions of making a payment plan and starting to pay Gurrty back over several weeks shows that you indeed believed you owed him something. Otherwise why pay in the first place if you truly believe you owed no debt to Gurrty?

You can't ride the fence on this of not believing you owed any debt to gurrty for several weeks then deciding you didn't.

Although I'm sure you enjoy riding the fence so you can defend yourself when either side of the argument comes up in questioning, many who are posting on this thread can see right through you goat.

[smoothie]

there's more to this

Clearly.

Clearly let's just not reveal all the facts and just talk about them hypothetically. 

[Oldminer]

Clearly the goat is a con. Anyone that does business with him is clearly insane.

[El Cabron]

Our European court would love to see that kind of case
And i will be more than happy to help the OP by starting case here.
Just because he steal a lot money from you,i am willing to start this for FREE.
Feel free to contact me via PM to negotiate the infos you have and which can be used here where i am.

If you really are a lawyer I would love to work with you and see this case go to court. I would be very interested in what a real court who understands all of the information thinks.

Everyone here does not even have half of the information and does not even know what Gurrty got back. His assets went to shit when GLBSE went down so now he is taking an old draft of a contract and claiming he wants BTC now. Even though he never paid any BTC.

You guys are idiots to make a judgment you know nothing about. Think there is more to this? Think there is a reason why Gurrty waited years to bring up parts of this?
Do you really think he thinks he is owed anything? No if he really thought he was owed something he would do more than just bitch about it.

Come on Gurrty lets go to court and put everything on the table!

Don't get me wrong,i have nothing against you or anything,but,if that's true what Gurrty said you have many reasons to be worried.
First of all i like to inform you that we already have completed 10+ crypto cases and all of them was pleasant for our custumer.
In other way,if Gurrty have something to hide,and we start that case,he will be the one who must be worried.
Not sure about the laws in Thai or US but here we have a special court which endup that kind of cases for less than month if everything is okay with the evidences.
Like i already said i am willing to START it for free if he got evidences for starting it and he is prepared for it,which obviously prove i am not here to merch or profit from anyone without result.
Believe me,i am not an idiot And that kind of rude "defence" from your part do not fit you...
I know from almost nothing to nothing about this,that's why i ask him to contact me and talk about what's going on and is that enough to start a case.
The court i have in mind already had many crypto cases and they are pretty familiar with it and how to check what they need to.
If he don't have anything to hide and can provide evidence then he is loosing time with disputes here.
Secondly,not sure why u are so worried when you are not guilty

That's right,and here comes our part. We are European firm with European license and we represent our claimant.
When someone doing a crime,the court don't care is he European citizen or not.
Peoplest must start believe in the court and that the laws actually protect them as taxpayers.
Not sure why all of you are negative about starting case agaisnt the scammers?

This is interesting. When the contract gets voided by the court, will Gurrty have to return to me the 1,000 BTC at its current price or will he just have to give me back the fiat value of the BTC at the time? I assume all he would only owe me the fiat value at the time but has thee been any cases like this?

Not sure what your contract is but when i find out,i will be able to answer all your questions.
I am not here to judge none of you,but helping the true goes transparent.
Its okay for me if he want to start that case to post and show the whole process public here in the forum with all the documents from our firm + the court ones about that case.
And i like to inform you that none of you are obliged to be European citizen to be sued in Europe.
Same as visiting the court about the case is also not obliged.
The accused have right to defend him self but also if he don't visit the court about the case,that won't end it and it can go thru without him (ofcourse that's not good idea for the accused).
I suggest both of you to clear this before it goes worst.
Because if he start the case against you,and it turns out that he owns you money not the inverse,then the court won't be lenient for the timewaste and the lies and the case can go with 220km agaisnt the plaintiff.
So once again,i will first meet the evidences,the claim and before we start if he wants to,i will explain him the risks and benefits.
The coin always got 2 sides and i am not ignorant to see only the one.
Goat,if you have nothing to be worried about,i suggest you to be more restrained with your speeches because believe me or not,even posts on forums can be count as evidence here.
This also applies to the Gurrty.
So once again,please,try your best to complete this without intervention of court,because if we start that case,the court will require all the evidences about this and it may go really bad.

Edit: I like to add just a last note.
The court not using English language,and the defendant may need translator because we giving such to the applicant.
The case can start from lower instance or go straight to Supreme court.
Just like to inform you that the assessment of the Supreme court cannot be appealed,but the lower instances can be up to 3 times before it goes to Supreme.
If the case start in the Special court,none of the lower instances or the Supreme court can appeal the decision.
So there is many ways to start this in favour to plaintiff if he have the right evidences.

This will not end up in his favor in court. And I know you are right about limiting what is said here. That is why I have not posted any information at all. Since Gurrty wants to take this to the courts and or FBI/SEC then I am playing it that way.

People can call me a scammer all they want but clearly Gurrty's case is laughable. Gurrty has done some illegal things and there is no way he will take this to court however I am open to it. If he really will take this to court I am 100% ready to play and will counter sue and or place criminal charges depending on the advice of my layer.

Like I said this was resolved years ago and if he does not like it he really needs to talk to the GLBSE people (theymos). I have no control over that at all. Theymos is the one who walked away with the money.

[El Cabron]

Clearly the goat is a con. Anyone that does business with him is clearly insane.

Coming from a known scammer...

The only thing that people try to call me a scammer for is Pirate and GLBSE stuff. That stuff i lost my ass own and theymos walked away with coin. But I somehow am the scammer, lol.

100% of the deals that did not involve theymos there were no issues with. Deal with it.

[El Cabron]

there's more to this

Clearly.

Clearly let's just not reveal all the facts and just talk about them hypothetically. 

OP made the claim let him make the case, I have no need or desire to do so. Now if we get to go to a real court, that will be different!

The way I see it is OP called me a name (scammer), could not back it up and then people are trying very very hard to make it stick. But they can not get it to stick as there is nothing there to stick.

You guys want to call names and speculate about things you know nothing about, fine.

[smoothie]

there's more to this

Clearly.

Clearly let's just not reveal all the facts and just talk about them hypothetically. 

OP made the claim let him make the case, I have no need or desire to do so. Now if we get to go to a real court, that will be different!

The way I see it is OP called me a name (scammer), could not back it up and then people are trying very very hard to make it stick. But they can not get it to stick as there is nothing there to stick.

You guys want to call names and speculate about things you know nothing about, fine.

Sure sounds like you don't want to give all the "other" details you keep referring to that exist.

No problem. Just stop referring to them as if you are defending yourself like you have been in the last ~10 pages.

"Guys see I have other information so everything posted here isn't as what it seems. But I won't share the info." ~ Goat 

As I said in my other post above that you conveniently ignored...

I don't understand why Theymos is dragged into this, he didn't sign any contract.

He got himself into this posting PMs, and making judgments about how much gurrty is owed despite later claiming he has no information about the topic. He also ended up with the assets and the coins. Theymos is an owner and a treasurer of GLBSE. He still hold our GLBSE coins. Since theymos has gurrtys coins if theymos thinks gurrty should get back the coins gurrty gave to theymos then theymos can give coins to gurrty. I however do not think Gurrty is owed anything at all and the contract was completed in full.

Also Smoothie went off topic about Pirate and since Theymos was a huge help to Pirate he got dragged into it that way.

But really theymos is the only one here who can return the coins and the assets. I never got BTC from Gurrty but theymos did. Trying to call this a BTC loan is just silly.  

The contract states that the proceeds of the bonds put into your possession were not to be disclosed how they were invested/liquidated/etc.

The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

How does anyone know what you claim is true?

Even if it is true your actions of making a payment plan and starting to pay Gurrty back over several weeks shows that you indeed believed you owed him something. Otherwise why pay in the first place if you truly believe you owed no debt to Gurrty?

You can't ride the fence on this of not believing you owed any debt to gurrty for several weeks then deciding you didn't.

Although I'm sure you enjoy riding the fence so you can defend yourself when either side of the argument comes up in questioning, many who are posting on this thread can see right through you goat.

[El Cabron]

I have admitted to not sharing any information and have explained why. If this upsets you, I could careless.

If someone does not trust me, they should not work with me. And if this thread makes people not trust me, then I would not want to work with them. I see no problem here at all.

Like it or not I am one of the most highly trusted person in BTC and some of the amount of non-escrowed deals I do would blow your mind.

[smoothie]

Like it or not I am one of the most highly trusted person in BTC and some of the amount of non-escrowed deals I do would blow your mind.

LOL. Okay.

Size doesn't matter. 

[Tomatocage]

Goat, Mousepotato has fairly solid evidence (verified by Theymos) that she initiated a redemption for 427 shares of one of your pass-through bonds, which you never followed through with. This transaction was initiated before the collapse of Pirate's BTCST scheme, but the deal was never finalized and you never sent her back her Bitcoins as you had agreed upon. While I'm not going to drop negative trust on you, I'm going to have to withdraw my positive rating for now.

[N12]

Goat, Mousepotato has fairly solid evidence (verified by Theymos) that she initiated a redemption for 427 shares of one of your pass-through bonds, which you never followed through with. This transaction was initiated before the collapse of Pirate's BTCST scheme, but the deal was never finalized and you never sent her back her Bitcoins as you had agreed upon. While I'm not going to drop negative trust on you, I'm going to have to withdraw my positive rating for now.

Where did theymos say he verified it? If this is true, it will be hard to wiggle out of.

[Tomatocage]

Goat, Mousepotato has fairly solid evidence (verified by Theymos) that she initiated a redemption for 427 shares of one of your pass-through bonds, which you never followed through with. This transaction was initiated before the collapse of Pirate's BTCST scheme, but the deal was never finalized and you never sent her back her Bitcoins as you had agreed upon. While I'm not going to drop negative trust on you, I'm going to have to withdraw my positive rating for now.

Where did theymos say he verified it? If this is true, it will be hard to wiggle out of.

Via PM. Hopefully Theymos can chime in and validate this assertion.

[El Cabron]

Goat, Mousepotato has fairly solid evidence (verified by Theymos) that she initiated a redemption for 427 shares of one of your pass-through bonds, which you never followed through with. This transaction was initiated before the collapse of Pirate's BTCST scheme, but the deal was never finalized and you never sent her back her Bitcoins as you had agreed upon. While I'm not going to drop negative trust on you, I'm going to have to withdraw my positive rating for now.

Where did theymos say he verified it? If this is true, it will be hard to wiggle out of.

Via PM. Hopefully Theymos can chime in and validate this assertion.

Did you  check the dates on all of that? I did.

She was trying to get out the full amount rather than sell at market price. You use the word before but you should be using the word as.

I atempted do what she asked but clearly there was not time

She was not the only one who tried to get out at the last second.

[jeffersonairplane]

That is a ridiculous amount of Bitcoin. I doubt you'll ever get it back to be honest.

[El Cabron]

That is a ridiculous amount of Bitcoin. I doubt you'll ever get it back to be honest.

back??

[smoothie]

That is a ridiculous amount of Bitcoin. I doubt you'll ever get it back to be honest.

back??

Yes goat. If you read the contract you wrote the amount of DEBT is denominated in Bitcoin:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.

We know that you got Tygrr bonds or whatever...but the contract clearly states the DEBT was in BITCOIN.

[El Cabron]

That is a ridiculous amount of Bitcoin. I doubt you'll ever get it back to be honest.

back??

Yes goat. If you read the contract you wrote the amount of DEBT is denominated in Bitcoin:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.

We know that you got Tygrr bonds or whatever...but the contract clearly states the DEBT was in BITCOIN.

The contact was compleated. Gurrty admits as much. Not sure if he posted that PM or not. Think he might have.

Why do you know more about this than Gurrty? Oh you dont you are a troll.

[smoothie]

That is a ridiculous amount of Bitcoin. I doubt you'll ever get it back to be honest.

back??

Yes goat. If you read the contract you wrote the amount of DEBT is denominated in Bitcoin:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.

We know that you got Tygrr bonds or whatever...but the contract clearly states the DEBT was in BITCOIN.

The contact was compleated. Gurrty admits as much. Not sure if he posted that PM or not. Think he might have.

Why do you know more about this than Gurrty? Oh you dont you are a troll.

Oh no Goat called me a name "troll" now I'm going to go and pout like goat did and claim all debts I ever took on are now voided... LOL!

One word for you Goat: Proof.

You have not proved the contract was completed. And of course you can resort to your "I owe you nothing and you are a troll" line you keep using.

Why do you even keep coming here to defend yourself if you aren't worried about the outcome of this supposed debt collection? You claim you owe him nothing yet you still come here to defend your position and then offer no information to back up your claim. Pathetic.  

[ruru]

Holy shit I can't believe I just read the whole thread!. Just my BTC 0.02, Goat and Smoothie should just make out up.  

[Mousepotato]

Did you  check the dates on all of that? I did.

She was trying to get out the full amount rather than sell at market price. You use the word before but you should be using the word as.

I atempted do what she asked but clearly there was not time

She was not the only one who tried to get out at the last second.

First, sorry Gurrty for hijacking your thread. Second, Goat, while the timing was unfortunate, I had in fact initiated contact with you on 08/10/12 asking about the buy-back/redemption of my Tygrr bonds. On 08/16/12 I sent them back to you and you acknowledged receipt and told me you'd send out payment on Tuesday (08/21/12). Out of pure coincidence Bitlane posted his thread about BTCST later that very day, and that's when things started coming apart.

best would be to send me the bonds now then i pay for them once i pay out the dividends on Tuesday.

let me know when you have sent them and send me a btc address for the coins.

thanks

I sent you my 427 bonds, and about 40 minutes later...

i see them, Tuesdays are a crazy day for me and the next day im on a flight to Thailand for like 40 plus hours sooo... if i forget just remind me and i will send. best to remind me Monday and Tuesday just in case lol.

thanks mate.

I was never paid the following Tuesday for "full value" or market price.

[theymos]

Verified:

best would be to send me the bonds now then i pay for them once i pay out the dividends on Tuesday.

let me know when you have sent them and send me a btc address for the coins.

thanks

Chaang-Noi 

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

i see them, Tuesdays are a crazy day for me and the next day im on a flight to Thailand for like 40 plus hours sooo... if i forget just remind me and i will send. best to remind me Monday and Tuesday just in case lol.

thanks mate.

[Mousepotato]

Verified:

Thank you.

[El Cabron]

Chaang-Noi 

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right? 

[smoothie]

Verified:

best would be to send me the bonds now then i pay for them once i pay out the dividends on Tuesday.

let me know when you have sent them and send me a btc address for the coins.

thanks

Chaang-Noi 

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

i see them, Tuesdays are a crazy day for me and the next day im on a flight to Thailand for like 40 plus hours sooo... if i forget just remind me and i will send. best to remind me Monday and Tuesday just in case lol.

thanks mate.

Lol I like how 40 minutes later he changes the timeframe.

[El Cabron]

Verified:

Thank you.

Yes, thank you. Pretty much clears this up right away.

More Gurrty logic here. The bonds were not guaranteed and that was in the contract. To claim I owe you something is silly.

It is like putting in a sell order on GLBSE before the price goes down and then demanding your asking price none the less.

[smoothie]

Chaang-Noi 

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right? 

Lol yes we know it was an operation that assisted a Ponzi scheme which last time I checked is illegal.

[El Cabron]

Chaang-Noi 

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right? 

Lol yes we know it was an operation that assisted a Ponzi scheme which last time I checked is illegal.

You need to talk to theymos about that. GLBSE was not only the exchange but also the broker. Who was doing something illegal here? Hmm...

Also alleged ponzi scheme. The SEC has had a hard time proving that as there is significant evidence that is not what happened. Time will tell.

[smoothie]

Chaang-Noi 

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right? 

Lol yes we know it was an operation that assisted a Ponzi scheme which last time I checked is illegal.

You need to talk to theymos about that. GLBSE was not only the exchange but also the broker. Who was doing something illegal here? Hmm...

Also alleged ponzi scheme. The SEC has had a hard time proving that as there is significant evidence that is not what happened. Time will tell.

We all know you believe you are innocent. But always pointing the finger elsewhere and not justifying your innocence with evidence that you are innocent of such illegal operations is a huge fail.

Just because you say you didn't do anything wrong doesn't mean you didn't.

[Mousepotato]

Chaang-Noi  

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right?  

Obviously there's a typo in that formula (me and math are like oil and water, lol). I meant 427*(1+.05) or whatever the new percentage Pirate was supposedly paying out. So it turned out to be 0%, and thus 427*1.

Yes, thank you. Pretty much clears this up right away.

More Gurrty logic here. The bonds were not guaranteed and that was in the contract. To claim I owe you something is silly.

It is like putting in a sell order on GLBSE before the price goes down and then demanding your asking price none the less.

Is it clear? What did you mean then when you said, "just remind me and i will send"?  What did you intend to send me? It was my understanding that we had come to an agreement before (albeit only just) Pirates ship started to sink. You had said earlier that you could do around 200 BTC within 24hrs (from a PM you sent on 08/10/12). So what was it that you were going to send?

[El Cabron]

Chaang-Noi  

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right?  

Obviously there's a typo in that formula (me and math are like oil and water, lol). I meant 427*(1+.05) or whatever the new percentage Pirate was supposedly paying out. So it turned out to be 0%, and thus 427*1.

Yes, thank you. Pretty much clears this up right away.

More Gurrty logic here. The bonds were not guaranteed and that was in the contract. To claim I owe you something is silly.

It is like putting in a sell order on GLBSE before the price goes down and then demanding your asking price none the less.

Is it clear? What did you mean then when you said, "just remind me and i will send"?  What did you intend to send me? It was my understanding that we had come to an agreement before (albeit only just) Pirates ship started to sink. You had said earlier that you could do around 200 BTC within 24hrs (from a PM you sent on 08/10/12). So what was it that you were going to send?

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

[smoothie]

Chaang-Noi  

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right?  

Obviously there's a typo in that formula (me and math are like oil and water, lol). I meant 427*(1+.05) or whatever the new percentage Pirate was supposedly paying out. So it turned out to be 0%, and thus 427*1.

Yes, thank you. Pretty much clears this up right away.

More Gurrty logic here. The bonds were not guaranteed and that was in the contract. To claim I owe you something is silly.

It is like putting in a sell order on GLBSE before the price goes down and then demanding your asking price none the less.

Is it clear? What did you mean then when you said, "just remind me and i will send"?  What did you intend to send me? It was my understanding that we had come to an agreement before (albeit only just) Pirates ship started to sink. You had said earlier that you could do around 200 BTC within 24hrs (from a PM you sent on 08/10/12). So what was it that you were going to send?

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

link please

[El Cabron]

Chaang-Noi  

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right?  

Obviously there's a typo in that formula (me and math are like oil and water, lol). I meant 427*(1+.05) or whatever the new percentage Pirate was supposedly paying out. So it turned out to be 0%, and thus 427*1.

Yes, thank you. Pretty much clears this up right away.

More Gurrty logic here. The bonds were not guaranteed and that was in the contract. To claim I owe you something is silly.

It is like putting in a sell order on GLBSE before the price goes down and then demanding your asking price none the less.

Is it clear? What did you mean then when you said, "just remind me and i will send"?  What did you intend to send me? It was my understanding that we had come to an agreement before (albeit only just) Pirates ship started to sink. You had said earlier that you could do around 200 BTC within 24hrs (from a PM you sent on 08/10/12). So what was it that you were going to send?

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

link please

ask theymos or some other glbse operator.

[smoothie]

Chaang-Noi  

Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds

And what was the payout rate next Monday?  You do now how a PPT works right?  

Obviously there's a typo in that formula (me and math are like oil and water, lol). I meant 427*(1+.05) or whatever the new percentage Pirate was supposedly paying out. So it turned out to be 0%, and thus 427*1.

Yes, thank you. Pretty much clears this up right away.

More Gurrty logic here. The bonds were not guaranteed and that was in the contract. To claim I owe you something is silly.

It is like putting in a sell order on GLBSE before the price goes down and then demanding your asking price none the less.

Is it clear? What did you mean then when you said, "just remind me and i will send"?  What did you intend to send me? It was my understanding that we had come to an agreement before (albeit only just) Pirates ship started to sink. You had said earlier that you could do around 200 BTC within 24hrs (from a PM you sent on 08/10/12). So what was it that you were going to send?

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

link please

ask theymos or some other glbse operator.

No. You made the reference. You should provide it. Otherwise your mentioning it is just hot air.

[El Cabron]

MousePotato, You honestly thought you could collect interest risk free? Can you please tell me why you thought that could happen? Do you not know where the interest came from?

I have no idea why you think you are owed anything at all other than wanting to adjust a formula two years later that changes the agreement and the spirit of the contract. Do you see how this might be looked at as pretty much fail, or even libel?

I honestly think you owe me an apology.

 

[Mousepotato]

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

Don't get hung up on the formula, because it's completely irrelevant here. What is relevant is that we made an agreement before it became clear that Pirate was running, and I had transferred over my bonds to you in good faith. You acknowledged it and said you'd send me the BTC the following Tuesday, no? Honestly, I don't blame you since it's really Trendon Shavers' fault. We're both victims here, but I feel like I'm getting shafted because of something that happened between you and Pirate.

[El Cabron]

No. You made the reference. You should provide it. Otherwise your mentioning it is just hot air.

Oh snap. I guess it is "just hot air" then.

How are you involved in any of this again?

[El Cabron]

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

Don't get hung up on the formula, because it's completely irrelevant here. What is relevant is that we made an agreement before it became clear that Pirate was running, and I had transferred over my bonds to you in good faith. You acknowledged it and said you'd send me the BTC the following Tuesday, no? Honestly, I don't blame you since it's really Trendon Shavers' fault. We're both victims here, but I feel like I'm getting shafted because of something that happened between you and Pirate.

Me and Pirate? hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

I think you mean you and GLBSE.

[smoothie]

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

Don't get hung up on the formula, because it's completely irrelevant here. What is relevant is that we made an agreement before it became clear that Pirate was running, and I had transferred over my bonds to you in good faith. You acknowledged it and said you'd send me the BTC the following Tuesday, no? Honestly, I don't blame you since it's really Trendon Shavers' fault. We're both victims here, but I feel like I'm getting shafted because of something that happened between you and Pirate.

Goat benefitted from being the middle-mad between users like you and pirate...hence he is not off the hook when it comes to debts and repayment of such agreements.

Just because pirate didn't pay doesn't necessarily mean goat is off of the hook.

[El Cabron]

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

Don't get hung up on the formula, because it's completely irrelevant here. What is relevant is that we made an agreement before it became clear that Pirate was running, and I had transferred over my bonds to you in good faith. You acknowledged it and said you'd send me the BTC the following Tuesday, no? Honestly, I don't blame you since it's really Trendon Shavers' fault. We're both victims here, but I feel like I'm getting shafted because of something that happened between you and Pirate.

Goat benefitted from being the middle-mad between users like you and pirate...hence he is not off the hook when it comes to debts and repayment of such agreements.

Just because pirate didn't pay doesn't necessarily mean goat is off of the hook.

You are almost correct here. GLBSE was the broker and the exchange. MP never sent me bonds or BTC. It all went to GLBSE (theymos). Theymos is the one on the hook.

[smoothie]

No. You made the reference. You should provide it. Otherwise your mentioning it is just hot air.

Oh snap. I guess it is "just hot air" then.

How are you involved in any of this again?

LOL yup just as I thought....hot air.

Not surprising once again.

Does it matter if I am involved in it at all?

It is a public forum, if you want to keep the public out then go start a discussion privately not accessible to others.  

[El Cabron]

Don't get hung up on the formula, because it's completely irrelevant here. What is relevant is that we made an agreement before it became clear that Pirate was running, and I had transferred over my bonds to you in good faith. You acknowledged it and said you'd send me the BTC the following Tuesday, no?

I still do not understand how I did not follow the agreement 100%. You are claiming I scammed you somehow so please tell me what part I did not do.

[smoothie]

A mistake in the formula you made? And you bring that up two years latter? Are you kidding?

Why do you think you can even put in a 1 into that formula? Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed? Did you even bother to read the GLBSE contract?

Don't get hung up on the formula, because it's completely irrelevant here. What is relevant is that we made an agreement before it became clear that Pirate was running, and I had transferred over my bonds to you in good faith. You acknowledged it and said you'd send me the BTC the following Tuesday, no? Honestly, I don't blame you since it's really Trendon Shavers' fault. We're both victims here, but I feel like I'm getting shafted because of something that happened between you and Pirate.

Goat benefitted from being the middle-mad between users like you and pirate...hence he is not off the hook when it comes to debts and repayment of such agreements.

Just because pirate didn't pay doesn't necessarily mean goat is off of the hook.

You are almost correct here. GLBSE was the broker and the exchange. MP never sent me bonds or BTC. It all went to GLBSE (theymos). Theymos is the one on the hook.

Just because the bonds transferred to you existed on GLBSE's system does not mean you did not have access to them for liquidation etc.

You benefitted from having your Tygrr crap on GLBSE.

[El Cabron]

Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed?

O RLY?

Bond face value is 1 BTC.
If BTCST defaults the bond will be worth 1 BTC.
If BTCST does not default the bond will be worth 1 BTC.

Wrong bonds dumbass.


Edit: Keep trying. If I was a scammer I'm sure you can find it! 

[smoothie]

Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed?

O RLY?

Bond face value is 1 BTC.
If BTCST defaults the bond will be worth 1 BTC.
If BTCST does not default the bond will be worth 1 BTC.

Wrong bonds dumbass.

Quoted for reference.

[Mousepotato]

Me and Pirate? hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

I think you mean you and GLBSE.

I had no problems with GLBSE when I transferred my bonds over to you for redemption. You even acknowledged receipt and said you'd send out payment. It's all right there in black & white, so to speak. And yes I know there was a large amount of risk involved with a 7% weekly return, and that's why I wanted to get out. Up until that point, nothing was amiss and Pirate was paying on time like clockwork. Like I said, it was just really bad timing.

Look, I'm not even mad and don't really want to argue about it. If you want to make it right and honor the deal we agreed upon (or any amicable variation thereof), that'd be awesome and that would be exactly the Goat I've come to know since I first signed up here. At this point I'm even open to the deal you sent me in PM, but it's really up to you what you want to do.

[El Cabron]

Me and Pirate? hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

I think you mean you and GLBSE.

I had no problems with GLBSE when I transferred my bonds over to you for redemption. You even acknowledged receipt and said you'd send out payment. It's all right there in black & white, so to speak. And yes I know there was a large amount of risk involved with a 7% weekly return, and that's why I wanted to get out. Up until that point, nothing was amiss and Pirate was paying on time like clockwork. Like I said, it was just really bad timing.

Look, I'm not even mad and don't really want to argue about it. If you want to make it right and honor the deal we agreed upon (or any amicable variation thereof), that'd be awesome and that would be exactly the Goat I've come to know since I first signed up here. At this point I'm even open to the deal you sent me in PM, but it's really up to you what you want to do.

Tell me what I did wrong. Tell me how I did not follow the agreement.

[El Cabron]

Do you not understand that it was not guaranteed?

O RLY?

Bond face value is 1 BTC.
If BTCST defaults the bond will be worth 1 BTC.
If BTCST does not default the bond will be worth 1 BTC.

Wrong bonds dumbass.

Quoted for reference.

Haha theymos removed his post.

[El Cabron]

Well I got some real life stuff to do. If you guys can get your shit together and make a case about me scamming or whatever I will come back and deal with it.

anyway keep trying smoothie and theymos!

 

[smoothie]

Well I got some real life stuff to do. If you guys can get your shit together and make a case about me scamming or whatever I will come back and deal with it.

anyway keep trying smoothie and theymos!

 

I don't have to try. Your reputation here is quite obvious. 

[Mousepotato]

Tell me what I did wrong. Tell me how I did not follow the agreement.

Well, you said you'd send out Tuesday (08/21/12). There was no conditional clause attached to it such as "I'll send out Tuesday only if Pirate makes his scheduled payout." That's the deal we had, and that's why I had sent you back the bonds to begin with. I completed my half of the bargain, and it's still not too late for you to follow through with your end of the deal

[smoothie]

Tell me what I did wrong. Tell me how I did not follow the agreement.

Well, you said you'd send out Tuesday (08/21/12). There was no conditional clause attached to it such as "I'll send out Tuesday only if Pirate makes his scheduled payout." That's the deal we had, and that's why I had sent you back the bonds to begin with. I completed my half of the bargain, and it's still not too late for you to follow through with your end of the deal

Goat's logic is quite warped. I highly doubt he will take this ^ seriously.

Now that he has gotten his shiny penny why should he? He has been able to make money off of many "suckers" like you.

[theymos]

Here are some posts related to TYGRR.BOND-P that Goat deleted for some reason...

i have said before if someone wants to sell i will buy at 1. they just need to let me know how much and give me a reasonable amount of time to get the funds to glbse.

thanks

Has this been revoked?

no

pirate is lowering his rates on some accounts (looks like bitcoin price increase finally cought him). Are your rates staying at 6.8%?

I don't know, i just found out myself. I'm not sure what I will get from Pirate. I will adjust as I said in the thread if the rates do get lowered.

There was a set rule forthis.

Thanks.

If your account is applied "BTC 25,000 + 5%," as would remain for TYGRR.BOND-P? This should be clear as soon as possible.

I just woke up and have not read the thread/contract but I think it will change to 4.85%

[El Cabron]

Here are some posts related to TYGRR.BOND-P that Goat deleted for some reason...

i have said before if someone wants to sell i will buy at 1. they just need to let me know how much and give me a reasonable amount of time to get the funds to glbse.

thanks

Has this been revoked?

no

pirate is lowering his rates on some accounts (looks like bitcoin price increase finally cought him). Are your rates staying at 6.8%?

I don't know, i just found out myself. I'm not sure what I will get from Pirate. I will adjust as I said in the thread if the rates do get lowered.

There was a set rule forthis.

Thanks.

If your account is applied "BTC 25,000 + 5%," as would remain for TYGRR.BOND-P? This should be clear as soon as possible.

I just woke up and have not read the thread/contract but I think it will change to 4.85%

[theymos]

I find it interesting that after the rate change, the prices on this bond dropped to a point that the actual return is roughly at 7% again.  Definitely a steal, IMO.

I was thinking the same thing. 

yeah very odd. i have been making reasonable time in paying people who want to sell at 1 btc. not sure why the panic selling. great deal for you guys.

hell, i might start buying some back

[El Cabron]

I find it interesting that after the rate change, the prices on this bond dropped to a point that the actual return is roughly at 7% again.  Definitely a steal, IMO.

I was thinking the same thing. 

yeah very odd. i have been making reasonable time in paying people who want to sell at 1 btc. not sure why the panic selling. great deal for you guys.

hell, i might start buying some back

[El Cabron]

Thank you theymos!

I wanted to quote this because of your tendency to remove your posts once you realize you are helping me out.

Clearly MP did not want these back right away for 1 BTC. She even admitted today she wanted 1 BTC plus interest. She let it ride!

This is clear even from the "revised" formula.  

BTW I did end up buying back shares. I'm sure you know how that worked out, lost my ass...  

Thanks theymos for being the broker for this on GLBSE. Glad you made bank with the fees you collected and the profit you made from your inside knowledge and reading his PMs! By the way, what are you going to do with the GLBSE coin you still hold? Keep it for yourself?


Edit: just saw the begging address in your sig! You are too much theymos!   

[El Cabron]

Tell me what I did wrong. Tell me how I did not follow the agreement.

Well, you said you'd send out Tuesday (08/21/12). There was no conditional clause attached to it such as "I'll send out Tuesday only if Pirate makes his scheduled payout." That's the deal we had, and that's why I had sent you back the bonds to begin with. I completed my half of the bargain, and it's still not too late for you to follow through with your end of the deal

Yes there was a conditional clause attached and you are the one who attached it. However if you attached it or not it does not matter. What you attached is exactly what the contract was for. Claiming you made a mistake when you attached the condition 2 years later is a bit weak. I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Any way these bonds were not guaranteed. Just ask theymos!

[Mousepotato]

Yes there was a conditional clause attached and you are the one who attached it. However if you attached it or not it does not matter. What you attached is exactly what the contract was for. Claiming you made a mistake when you attached the condition 2 years later is a bit weak. I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Any way these bonds were not guaranteed. Just ask theymos!

Ok, great! Now we're getting somewhere. Since you're apparently willing to stick with our contract, then 427*4.85% = 20.7095 BTC. It said nothing whether Pirate actually paid out; only what the new payout rate was. And don't worry about the bonds being guaranteed or not. That only comes into play in the event of a default, and we made our deal before that happened

[El Cabron]

Yes there was a conditional clause attached and you are the one who attached it. However if you attached it or not it does not matter. What you attached is exactly what the contract was for. Claiming you made a mistake when you attached the condition 2 years later is a bit weak. I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Any way these bonds were not guaranteed. Just ask theymos!

Ok, great! Now we're getting somewhere. Since you're apparently willing to stick with our contract, then 427*4.85% = 20.7095 BTC. It said nothing whether Pirate actually paid out; only what the new payout rate was. And don't worry about the bonds being guaranteed or not. That only comes into play in the event of a default, and we made our deal before that happened

Lol. What is "it". The contract?

Btw I dont think you understand the deal. You can not change the formula two years later. Why do you think you can?

[Mousepotato]

Lol. What is "it". The contract?

Btw I dont think you understand the deal. You can not change the formula two years later. Why do you think you can?

Oh but I'm not. I had simply corrected the formula to make sense. Why would I accept 427*4.85% when you were clearly paying 1.00 BTC per bond at the time. You even thanked Theymos for posting about that policy a few minutes ago. It was meant to be 427+(whatever the new payout rate is). But hey, you seem to be willing to go by the original "contract" of 427*(whatever the new payout rate is), which ended up being 4.85%. So pick your poison: Which formula do you want to go by?

[Tomatocage]

Yeah man, it does seem pretty clear that yall did ink a deal for a redemption of 427 bonds before Pirate's ship had sailed. Mouse, the BTC value has changed drastically since then though, and I think it would be fair if you interpreted it as the cash value of 427 BTC was back then (around $5700 and change). That makes it easy since that's right around 10 BTC in today's money.

[El Cabron]

Lol. What is "it". The contract?

Btw I dont think you understand the deal. You can not change the formula two years later. Why do you think you can?

Oh but I'm not. I had simply corrected the formula to make sense. Why would I accept 427*4.85% when you were clearly paying 1.00 BTC per bond at the time. You even thanked Theymos for posting about that policy a few minutes ago. It was meant to be 427+(whatever the new payout rate is). But hey, you seem to be willing to go by the original "contract" of 427*(whatever the new payout rate is), which ended up being 4.85%. So pick your poison: Which formula do you want to go by?

why do you think you get to collect interest and not have any risk for the bonds?

You like gurrty are trying to play with words to claim you are owed something you are not.

also in that theymos quote i said i dont know but i think... clearly it was 0 in the end after i looked into it.

theymos is just selecting a few posts out of context to make me look bad but he still fails.

[El Cabron]

Yeah man, it does seem pretty clear that yall did ink a deal for a redemption of 427 bonds before Pirate's ship had sailed. Mouse, the BTC value has changed drastically since then though, and I think it would be fair if you interpreted it as the cash value of 427 BTC was back then (around $5700 and change). That makes it easy since that's right around 10 BTC in today's money.

we made a deal for a value on a set date. How can this not be more clear?

[ShopemNL]

What is TYGRR.BOND-P

[El Cabron]

What is TYGRR.BOND-P

a listing on a scame site called glbse. Theymos was owner and treasure of glbse.

[smoothie]

What is TYGRR.BOND-P

a listing on a scame site called glbse. Theymos was owner and treasure of glbse.

Your listing. Let us not be dishonest here nor vague.

[El Cabron]

What is TYGRR.BOND-P

a listing on a scame site called glbse. Theymos was owner and treasure of glbse.

Your listing. Let us not be dishonest here nor vague.

what i said is correct. No one doubts theymos was involved in the glbse scam.

[smoothie]

What is TYGRR.BOND-P

a listing on a scame site called glbse. Theymos was owner and treasure of glbse.

Your listing. Let us not be dishonest here nor vague.

what i said is correct. No one doubts theymos was involved in the glbse scam.

A listing ...lol

Your listing you benefitted from.

Pattern:

1. Someone directs statements at you.

2. You immediately attempt to shift the blame and discussion to someone or something else.

[El Cabron]

I have been waiting to see how i scammed

something even theymos with all his power cant show.

[Sydboy]

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

[El Cabron]

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

Yes there was an agreement and it was followed. Both people are just unhappy with how they worded it at the time. They want to adjust details years later.

[smoothie]

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

He believes that his debts should be paid by Theymos. lol

Just because Peter borrows money from Paul and Peter gives money to a company that John worked for does not mean that John owes Paul money.

Peter still owes Paul as he was the BORROWER.

Of course goat can't get this as he thinks he has done nothing wrong even though he has violated his own contract(s) and agreements which were confirmed via PMs.

[Sydboy]

So what you are saying is anybody who goes into business with you may get 0 if they do not have their lawyer check every word that is said ? If wording was a problem why did you not tell them 2 years ago they would get 0 ?  It seems like you are the one changing the wording, 2 years later.

You ended up with a lambo and god knows what else. you really 'lost your ass' ay.

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

Yes there was an agreement and it was followed. Both people are just unhappy with how they worded it at the time. They want to adjust details years later.

[Sydboy]

the facts are you did not tell them they would get 0.
You told them they would get something. In gurtys case it was written down in a contract.
with MP you said you would pay tomorrow or whatever. You did not say "no you are getting 0"
So you can say what ever you like. The fact is that you changed the wording and conditions years later.
and in summary, you are a scammer. a slimy piece of shit.  You have no morals, no ethics, you are a disease on the human race. 

[El Cabron]

So what you are saying is anybody who goes into business with you may get 0 if they do not have their lawyer check every word that is said ? If wording was a problem why did you not tell them 2 years ago they would get 0 ?  It seems like you are the one changing the wording, 2 years later.

You ended up with a lambo and god knows what else. you really 'lost your ass' ay.

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

Yes there was an agreement and it was followed. Both people are just unhappy with how they worded it at the time. They want to adjust details years later.

two years ago there was no reason for them to think they should get more than zero.

they are trying now because they see i did well with litecoin. Im not going to pay people to not lie.

but yes everyone should have their lawyer assist them with contracts.

things like coming back two years later and saying ohhh when i said that i meant something else is just bullshit. Honestly i think they are trying to scam me.

[El Cabron]

the facts are you did not tell them they would get 0.
You told them they would get something. In gurtys case it was written down in a contract.
with MP you said you would pay tomorrow or whatever. You did not say "no you are getting 0"
So you can say what ever you like. The fact is that you changed the wording and conditions years later.
and in summary, you are a scammer. a slimy piece of shit.  You have no morals, no ethics, you are a disease on the human race. 

im not the one who is trying to chage the wording. Are you a sock or just failed to read the thread?

[smoothie]

So what you are saying is anybody who goes into business with you may get 0 if they do not have their lawyer check every word that is said ? If wording was a problem why did you not tell them 2 years ago they would get 0 ?  It seems like you are the one changing the wording, 2 years later.

You ended up with a lambo and god knows what else. you really 'lost your ass' ay.

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

Yes there was an agreement and it was followed. Both people are just unhappy with how they worded it at the time. They want to adjust details years later.

two years ago there was no reason for them to think they should get more than zero.

they are trying now because they see i did well with litecoin. Im not going to pay people to not lie.

but yes everyone should have their lawyer assist them with contracts.

things like coming back two years later and saying ohhh when i said that i meant something else is just bullshit. Honestly i think they are trying to scam me.

The interesting thing everyone here should note is you have not disproved the claims against you.

The contract in the OP state terms very clearly.

[El Cabron]

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

He believes that his debts should be paid by Theymos. lol

Just because Peter borrows money from Paul and Peter gives money to a company that John worked for does not mean that John owes Paul money.

Peter still owes Paul as he was the BORROWER.

Of course goat can't get this as he thinks he has done nothing wrong even though he has violated his own contract(s) and agreements which were confirmed via PMs.

i do not thing theymos should pay anything. Gurrty i think is owed nothing. But since theymos has gurrtys coins theymos can pay if he wants. This has been made more than clear.

[El Cabron]

Lol at smoothie claiming i need to prove im not a watch and not the person who is calling me a witch.

this is still over your head lol. Its called troll bait and i wont fall for it.

[smoothie]

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

He believes that his debts should be paid by Theymos. lol

Just because Peter borrows money from Paul and Peter gives money to a company that John worked for does not mean that John owes Paul money.

Peter still owes Paul as he was the BORROWER.

Of course goat can't get this as he thinks he has done nothing wrong even though he has violated his own contract(s) and agreements which were confirmed via PMs.

i do not thing theymos should pay anything. Gurrty i think is owed nothing. But since theymos has gurrtys coins theymos can pay if he wants. This has been made more than clear.

I thought I was on ignore...lol...

Shifting the blame to Theymos for collection of payments is what you have been doing. That has been made clear.

[smoothie]

Lol at smoothie claiming i need to prove im not a watch and not the person who is calling me a witch.

this is still over your head lol. Its called troll bait and i wont fall for it.

Your contract you wrote proves you took on debt in the form of BTC. Which you never fulfilled.

Your own contract makes you out to be the "witch" or was it "watch" lol

[El Cabron]

Smoothie scammed me when he sold me his litecoin silver tokens.

prove it wrong....   

[Sydboy]

yeah we are on page 20 and he still has not told us why the contract is invalid.
Or is he hiding behind the part where it statements payment will be made if possible.

he told us he made alot through litecoin, so he has the funds.

Keep dancing round goat. It is funny how on page 20 you still defend your actions. An innocent person would just abandon the thread, but here you are, page 20.

So what you are saying is anybody who goes into business with you may get 0 if they do not have their lawyer check every word that is said ? If wording was a problem why did you not tell them 2 years ago they would get 0 ?  It seems like you are the one changing the wording, 2 years later.

You ended up with a lambo and god knows what else. you really 'lost your ass' ay.

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

Yes there was an agreement and it was followed. Both people are just unhappy with how they worded it at the time. They want to adjust details years later.

two years ago there was no reason for them to think they should get more than zero.

they are trying now because they see i did well with litecoin. Im not going to pay people to not lie.

but yes everyone should have their lawyer assist them with contracts.

things like coming back two years later and saying ohhh when i said that i meant something else is just bullshit. Honestly i think they are trying to scam me.

The interesting thing everyone here should note is you have not disproved the claims against you.

The contract in the OP state terms very clearly.

[Sydboy]

this is pathetic.
he just calls people trolls and dances around the topic.
"i know something you don't know!!!" the piece of crap loves to feel like he so powerful.
he has nothing going for him besides this forum, so you know what, let him have it.

as I  said before goat, go fuck yourself.

[El Cabron]

this is pathetic.
he just calls people trolls and dances around the topic.
"i know something you don't know!!!" the piece of crap loves to feel like he so powerful.
he has nothing going for him besides this forum, so you know what, let him have it.

as I  said before goat, go fuck yourself.

lol. On what account was that?

[Sydboy]

pardon ?

[El Cabron]

pardon ?

nevermind...

[Sydboy]

no, no, you like the attention. Please explain ? Do not do your "you wouldn't understand" "you troll" "nevermind" or any of the classic goat answers.

I like conversing with you, so please, I insist.

pardon ?

nevermind...

[El Cabron]

no, no, you like the attention. Please explain ? Do not do your "you wouldn't understand" "you troll" "nevermind" or any of the classic goat answers.

I like conversing with you, so please, I insist.

pardon ?

nevermind...

okay. That would be fine with me.

[smoothie]

Smoothie scammed me when he sold me his litecoin silver tokens.

prove it wrong....   

The big difference between your pathetic example of a scam claim above and what is presented in this thread is:

1. Your own words you put into a contract with Gurrty you violated as well as deny there is any debt you need to pay. My words haven't.

2. When you are asked to disprove the claim against you, you dance around the issue and offer no proof that the claim is invalid. Just childishness.  This is just like your tarded claim: "I was stacking BTC in 2010". ~ Goat which you could easily prove yet you dont because you can't.

 

[Sydboy]

pardon ?

no, no, you like the attention. Please explain ? Do not do your "you wouldn't understand" "you troll" "nevermind" or any of the classic goat answers.

I like conversing with you, so please, I insist.

pardon ?

nevermind...

okay. That would be fine with me.

[El Cabron]

Smoothie failed to prove anything. Just deflection and name calling.

what do you have to hide smoothie? Cant you prove you are not a scammer?

[El Cabron]

lol

Fully agree with the message though. VIP, Donator, and Moderator is highly correlated with having stolen bitcoins.

do not forget admin!

edit vip is not staff. Vip arepeople who were scammed by theymos for fifty coins to get better software or people who paid him so they could scam. Clearly theymos has no love for me.

[smoothie]

Smoothie failed to prove anything. Just deflection and name calling.

what do you have to hide smoothie? Cant you prove you are not a scammer?

lol let's direct the discussion back to you Goat.

This tactic gets really old really fast.

[Sydboy]

Why are you still here arguing goat ?
guilty conscience ?

I have been on forums since 2011, under another name. everything you have been involved in, either in charge of, or as a customer has turned to shit
and you have had to get your lawyers. you really are a pathetic excuse for a human. you raised by dolphins ? you didn't learn  right from wrong ?

ok just answer this and I will stop.

Why did you delete all of your old posts ? why ?

[El Cabron]

Smoothie failed to prove anything. Just deflection and name calling.

what do you have to hide smoothie? Cant you prove you are not a scammer?

lol let's direct the discussion back to you Goat.

This tactic gets really old really fast.

so you are a scammer. No shock honestly.

[smoothie]

If anyone reads this thread in its entirety you will see how many times Goat

1. deflects attention to another person

2. Avoid questions

3. Not reply to certain posts that quote his own words showing his has an obligation to fulfill.

4. Will claim more information exists to disprove the OP's claims, yet fails to provide this.

5. Name calls

6. Claims to put me on ignore, then replies to my posts lol

[smoothie]

Oh here it is again:

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

1. The borrower is Chang-Noi and his Tygrr-bot team. - Borrower has been made clear.

2. The contract equals to 5762 BTC in debt. - Debt amount is clear.

3. After all 100 Payments the debt is void. - Payment plan is clear.

4. Investments for which the debt are used will not be disclosed specifically - So no one can really know where Goat put the actual value of this debt. Could have been cashed out into goat pellets for all we know. Finger pointing by Goat to GLBSE is irrelevant just by this statement as he can't prove his claim and it never was specified where the debt could/would go.

5. Payment plan is clear again at 1% a week and 1% interest per week.

6. Goat had the option to buyback the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC per Tygrr-bot share - He offered him later 0.5 BTC per share lol

7.And lastly at the bottom it says "This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written." - So saying this contradicts the "working draft" statement. - LOL again

[El Cabron]

Nice deflection smoothie. You have proved nothing about your scam.

[smoothie]

"Goat is a scammer" is written all over my last post ^

Smoothie failed to prove anything. Just deflection and name calling.

what do you have to hide smoothie? Cant you prove you are not a scammer?

lol let's direct the discussion back to you Goat.

This tactic gets really old really fast.

so you are a scammer. No shock honestly.

[smoothie]

Nice deflection smoothie. You have proved nothing about your scam.

LOL Goat is starting to sound bothered by this thread.

Keep it coming Goat. This is entertainment for me the more you fail to prove you aren't obligated to pay the OP. 

[El Cabron]

Fine smoothie i will prove i am not a scammer as soon as you prove you are not. Man up and do it or quit trolling.

[Sydboy]

you haven't told us why you deleted all of your old posts ?
did you feel what you had done was wrong ? maybe you thought you would get into trouble ?

please tell us why you deleted your posts !

Nice deflection smoothie. You have proved nothing about your scam.

[smoothie]

Fine smoothie i will prove i am not a scammer as soon as you prove you are not. Man up and do it or quit trolling.

LOL you really are childish huh.

Still waiting ....prove your own words in the OP do not make you obligated to pay the OP. 

[Sydboy]

Smoothie it is clear goat likes the attention.

maybe his wife has left and now hes a sad lonely little man, who knows. I'd suggest not giving him the attention he needs. he ever so much wants to be 'mr bigcoin' the highroller. but he is a mr scum bag, the scammer.  

[El Cabron]

you haven't told us why you deleted all of your old posts ?
did you feel what you had done was wrong ? maybe you thought you would get into trouble ?

please tell us why you deleted your posts !

Nice deflection smoothie. You have proved nothing about your scam.

i reported why i did it in a different thread. Also all of the posts are saved and in a public place.you can see them all.

Anyway real life stuff to do see you all later if you guys can come up with some reason why these guys can change terms after the fact.

Peace and love.

[Sydboy]

Ok I now how to settle this.

whoever does not send a sizable contribution to    1HjeupU72URkafiw8qrqzpg9kEmKpfphAN   is a scammer.

[Sydboy]

lol real life stuff. Are you going to find some rice farmers to extort and rip off ? Maybe help a little old lady cross the street and then run off with her bag ?
that sounds like you.

[smoothie]

Sounds like he may have flashed his newly acquired things he bought with ill-gotten gains and now needed to delete posts in order to hide.


Mr. Real life now leaving for reals. lol

Just like he put me on ignore then...didn't.  

[N12]

Sounds like he may have flashed his newly acquired things he bought with ill-gotten gains and now needed to delete posts in order to hide.


Mr. Real life now leaving for reals. lol

Just like he put me on ignore then...didn't. 

He'll come back, as always. He just can't resist, even if it's detrimental to him.

[El Cabron]

Thank you mod for removing the personal threat. I was wondering how long that would stay up.

However clearly this is getting out of hand. When people who are not even involved in any way (other than to troll), make threats and laugh at it, it is time to move on.



The trolling was fun all around, and decent attempt theymos at trying to get me. Maybe next time? No hard feelings, nothing personal.

Gurrty, I would love to see this go to court and will help you pay for the fees if you need it. You will end up owing me money and I am willing to bet on it.

MousePotato, you can not change the deal after the fact. It is not my fault you did not understand the terms you sent to me and agreed to follow.

[Sydboy]

lol i did not threaten your family you scamtard.
you need to read what is written and not what you want to see.

for the record, I deleted the comment, not the mods, me.   

[Sydboy]

lol lol lol the boggi man (me) from sydney is going to get you... wooooo oooo wooooooo ooooooo

what a waste of space. go leave. end it. you scammer.

it just proves as well goat had no real life to goto. he was really reading these comments, like we thought.
what a loser.

[Sydboy]

for those who missed it, goat has had a hissy fit over a comment i made.
the comment was from memory  "wouldnt it be a  shame if someone put pictures of goat up in his local area and said he was a scammer"

goat has taken that to mean the mafia and multiple triad gangs are going after his family. because you know goat is mr bitcoin, the high roller.

I do apologize for making that comment mr goat. I did not relies you read what you want to read, and not the actual words. as you have done in gurty and MPs case.

[smoothie]

That didn't sound like a threat at all. More like a possibility in the form of a statement of what someone could do to let people know how goat operates.

Hardly a threat.

Goat you run and cry so fast it is pathetic.

lol

MEGA LOLz here.

[N12]

for those who missed it, goat has had a hissy fit over a comment i made.
the comment was from memory  "wouldnt it be a  shame if someone put pictures of goat up in his local area and said he was a scammer"

goat has taken that to mean the mafia and multiple triad gangs are going after his family. because you know goat is mr bitcoin, the high roller.

I do apologize for making that comment mr goat. I did not relies you read what you want to read, and not the actual words. as you have done in gurty and MPs case.

That was all you said?

It's hilarious how he desperately searches for any kind of excuse, and ANYTHING to blame to deflect off his responsibility. It was fun watching him flail around and try stick dirt to everyone around.

[smoothie]

for those who missed it, goat has had a hissy fit over a comment i made.
the comment was from memory  "wouldnt it be a  shame if someone put pictures of goat up in his local area and said he was a scammer"

goat has taken that to mean the mafia and multiple triad gangs are going after his family. because you know goat is mr bitcoin, the high roller.

I do apologize for making that comment mr goat. I did not relies you read what you want to read, and not the actual words. as you have done in gurty and MPs case.

That was all you said?

It's hilarious how he desperately searches for any kind of excuse, and ANYTHING to blame to deflect off his responsibility. It was fun watching him flail around and try stick dirt to everyone around.

I'm sure Theymos can confirm it.

I seen the comment and that was pretty much what Sydboy said.

Pure comedy gold from Goat. 

[smoothie]

Done with this thread

You said that about 5 times now...

lol yet you keep coming back for more.

[Sydboy]

ya that was basically 99% what I said. I deleted the comment after 15 minutes as I thought goat would have a cry and use it as an excuse, as he has done.
theymos can confirm.

for those who missed it, goat has had a hissy fit over a comment i made.
the comment was from memory  "wouldnt it be a  shame if someone put pictures of goat up in his local area and said he was a scammer"

goat has taken that to mean the mafia and multiple triad gangs are going after his family. because you know goat is mr bitcoin, the high roller.

I do apologize for making that comment mr goat. I did not relies you read what you want to read, and not the actual words. as you have done in gurty and MPs case.

That was all you said?

It's hilarious how he desperately searches for any kind of excuse, and ANYTHING to blame to deflect off his responsibility. It was fun watching him flail around and try stick dirt to everyone around.

[V.Kodoff]

Still waiting the OP to contact me.

[Destiffmast]

This thread will turn into a classic lol

[Sydboy]

lol pathetic.

you changed your post. What a snake. you really are a lying piece of shit arent you. Why edit the hissy fit ? why not let others see it ?

Thank you mod for removing the personal threat. I was wondering how long that would stay up.

However clearly this is getting out of hand. When people who are not even involved in any way (other than to troll), make threats and laugh at it, it is time to move on.



The trolling was fun all around, and decent attempt theymos at trying to get me. Maybe next time? No hard feelings, nothing personal.

Gurrty, I would love to see this go to court and will help you pay for the fees if you need it. You will end up owing me money and I am willing to bet on it.

MousePotato, you can not change the deal after the fact. It is not my fault you did not understand the terms you sent to me and agreed to follow.

[augustocroppo]

This case remind me that false accusations of sexual abuse made against famous old people in UK. The supposedly victims claims they were abused by a famous person years ago in an attempt to receive a financial compensation. They create imaginary stories to fuel the media sensationalism and to dupe the police. Then when they face a trial, the truth comes out and it becomes obvious there were never any sexual abuse in first place.

In this case, I have the impression that some people are just jealous because Goat got successful and was even able to acquire an expensive vehicle with his profits. Then they create false accusations against Goat about something that happened years ago, in a stupid attempt to discredit Goat's reputation...

 

Fail.

[Sydboy]

having seen the way goat behaves I would doubt your suspicions. He really is a cunning slimely ball of cat crap. He edits posts to make himself sound better, deletes posts and thats just what I have seen in the last 5 or 6 hours.

MP isnt making a huge deal out of it, merely mentioning not all goats debts are paid. goattells us he paid everyone and "lost his ass" but who exactly did he pay  when it all went sour.  goat was working with Pirate, he was using his high profile to convince new investors what pirate was doing was legit. lets not argue about that, we all saw the posts regardless if goat deleted them or not, we all saw them.
im sure he will make me quote it, but again anyone here in 2012 saw him advertising the scheme. He should be in a cell next to Pirate.
I wonder how many poor investors he suckered in, using his high profile.

This case remind me that false accusations of sexual abuse made against famous old people in UK. The supposedly victims claims they were abused by a famous person years ago in an attempt to receive a financial compensation. They create imaginary stories to fuel the media sensationalism and to dupe the police. Then when they face a trial, the truth comes out and it becomes obvious there were never any sexual abuse in first place.

In this case, I have the impression that some people are just jealous because Goat got successful and was even able to acquire an expensive vehicle with his profits. Then they create false accusations against Goat about something that happened years ago, in a stupid attempt to discredit Goat's reputation...

 

Fail.

[Mousepotato]

when MP gave you back the bonds did you not enter into an agreement ?

The contract with gurty.. what changed between when you where going to pay 100btc each week or what it is ? it seems like you didnt pay anything, he got angry a yr later and you said nope thats it you were a meanie.

is that not what happened in both scenarios ? You talk about how you paid off your debts and how poor you were cause of it ? MP didnt get paid,so wtf you talking about, who did you pay ?

Yes there was an agreement and it was followed. Both people are just unhappy with how they worded it at the time. They want to adjust details years later.

This is incorrect. I was never paid anything, despite our agreement. If you claim otherwise, please post the TxID.

[Mousepotato]

This case remind me that false accusations of sexual abuse made against famous old people in UK. The supposedly victims claims they were abused by a famous person years ago in an attempt to receive a financial compensation. They create imaginary stories to fuel the media sensationalism and to dupe the police. Then when they face a trial, the truth comes out and it becomes obvious there were never any sexual abuse in first place.

In this case, I have the impression that some people are just jealous because Goat got successful and was even able to acquire an expensive vehicle with his profits. Then they create false accusations against Goat about something that happened years ago, in a stupid attempt to discredit Goat's reputation...

 

Fail.

Have you even read anything in this thread?

[Mousepotato]

MousePotato, you can not change the deal after the fact. It is not my fault you did not understand the terms you sent to me and agreed to follow.

Ok, fine you win. We'll just abide by our original deal of 427 bonds * 4.85% then. That comes out to 20.7095 BTC. I'm not going to try to fight it, so just remit payment to 13EWZUTv9JKNe7bxaAESRTE2w628VfK4ft and we're done here. Thanks!

https://blockchain.info/address/13EWZUTv9JKNe7bxaAESRTE2w628VfK4ft

[User705]

Thank you mod for removing the personal threat. I was wondering how long that would stay up.

However clearly this is getting out of hand. When people who are not even involved in any way (other than to troll), make threats and laugh at it, it is time to move on.



The trolling was fun all around, and decent attempt theymos at trying to get me. Maybe next time? No hard feelings, nothing personal.

Gurrty, I would love to see this go to court and will help you pay for the fees if you need it. You will end up owing me money and I am willing to bet on it.

MousePotato, you can not change the deal after the fact. It is not my fault you did not understand the terms you sent to me and agreed to follow.

Gurrty should take you up on that.  That is unless you change your mind again later.   

[smoothie]

Thank you mod for removing the personal threat. I was wondering how long that would stay up.

However clearly this is getting out of hand. When people who are not even involved in any way (other than to troll), make threats and laugh at it, it is time to move on.



The trolling was fun all around, and decent attempt theymos at trying to get me. Maybe next time? No hard feelings, nothing personal.

Gurrty, I would love to see this go to court and will help you pay for the fees if you need it. You will end up owing me money and I am willing to bet on it.

MousePotato, you can not change the deal after the fact. It is not my fault you did not understand the terms you sent to me and agreed to follow.

Gurrty should take you up on that.  That is unless you change your mind again later.   

Goat's words are like turds...

It doesn't really matter how much of it he spews...it always tends to wreak of BS.

[kuusj98]

Thank you mod for removing the personal threat. I was wondering how long that would stay up.

However clearly this is getting out of hand. When people who are not even involved in any way (other than to troll), make threats and laugh at it, it is time to move on.



The trolling was fun all around, and decent attempt theymos at trying to get me. Maybe next time? No hard feelings, nothing personal.

Gurrty, I would love to see this go to court and will help you pay for the fees if you need it. You will end up owing me money and I am willing to bet on it.

MousePotato, you can not change the deal after the fact. It is not my fault you did not understand the terms you sent to me and agreed to follow.

Gurrty should take you up on that.  That is unless you change your mind again later.   

Goat's words are like turds...

It doesn't really matter how much of it he spews...it always tends to wreak of BS.

HAHAHA This is such genius!
Loving this tread so far!

Hope all people get theyr money from mr. BlingGoat...

[watcoin]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

     It is clear and the amount is 0 as far as I can tell. If Gurrty thinks differently than he can take it to the LEA or the courts as he wishes. I am no longer willing to talk this out with him. I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy. He is no longer willing to let that happen.

Will you give me a loan of 2000 BTC? I need to buy a small island in the Atlantic Ocean. I will name it WAT. I will pay you back at 10% interest. I'll even have a pet goat to mow the grass.

1ND9jsZ9H3PmATj4usHxgrZSv5RgkxgWMV

[Rawted]

My mistake, i thought i read these were from 2012.

On topic though, this is very interesting. Hopefully theymos can verify these PMs.

LOL, everyone has days like that!

[YipYip]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

Coming from someone who has a history of scamming (see his trust feedback). This is revenge for me exposing your scamming? When the people who attack me are people like smoothie the troll and scammers like you I really do not give a fuck.

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

Your a cunt of a human being ....

[BitchImightbe]

Thai people and their "honesty" 
The whole country is gold diggers and whores 

[Prez]

I am with Augusto Croppo on this one. I have no horse in this race but gurrty hasnt even posted in pages, he has obvious realized this is a faiiled attempt.

If I was him and really thought I was owed I would of just taken him to court instead of posting a thread about what he's owed.

[watcoin]

I am with Augusto Croppo on this one. I have no horse in this race but gurrty hasnt even posted in pages, he has obvious realized this is a faiiled attempt.

If I was him and really thought I was owed I would of just taken him to court instead of posting a thread about what he's owed.

Bitcointalk should have a court in La Hague where we can have cryptotrials streamed live. We could have Judge Judy preside. Make them pay-per-view events. Yeah!

[V.Kodoff]

I just like to inform the forum users that from now on i represent "Gurrty" as lawyer.
We already informed Goat about a civil claim will be started agaisnt him on Monday.
I will request assistance from Admin here when the case start for a thread which will be public for everyone (Just to read).
I will request to be locked,and only the Admin to be able to modify/update it to prevent spam.
Gurrty keeped silence because of my advice to not talk anything more about it and he won't consider it anymore public.
Goat will be sued in European court,the case will be public to all of you,and i would like to inform and show that the scammers/stealers over internet can and will take their responsibilities for the acts.
Place/Country/Court will be noted.
Also,it's not in English language,but as good person i will translate it for all to understand how it goes.
I hope Goat and his lawyers will understand what can happend and how much that will cost to him.
Our laws are strict agaisnt internet crimes and criminal/illegal schemes.
I hope Goat and his lawyers will check the laws here after he/they receive the court invite and start to realize this is serious.
Expect updates.

[GoofyUK]

I just like to inform the forum users that from now on i represent "Gurrty" as lawyer.
We already informed Goat about a civil claim will be started agaisnt him on Monday.
I will request assistance from Admin here when the case start for a thread which will be public for everyone (Just to read).
I will request to be locked,and only the Admin to be able to modify/update it to prevent spam.
Gurrty keeped silence because of my advice to not talk anything more about it and he won't consider it anymore public.
Goat will be sued in European court,the case will be public to all of you,and i would like to inform and show that the scammers/stealers over internet can and will take their responsibilities for the acts.
Place/Country/Court will be noted.
Also,it's not in English language,but as good person i will translate it for all to understand how it goes.
I hope Goat and his lawyers will understand what can happend and how much that will cost to him.
Our laws are strict agaisnt internet crimes and criminal/illegal schemes.
I hope Goat and his lawyers will check the laws here after he/they receive the court invite and start to realize this is serious.
Expect updates.

LOOOOL, hi gurty / gurty friend.

did you just print a lawyer certificate of the internet? you can't even speak English fluently so gl with a international case lol

[V.Kodoff]

I just told my custumer to request lock on this thread to prevent spam.
Any "nit-picking" posts won't be consider as serious.
Like i said,civil claim against Goat will start on Monday and English language is not primary here and in no way its compulsory.
I like the way how all of you don't take this serious,but when the documents from the court will be posted public here,Goat and all of you will understand the serious situation.
The best part of us and the case against Goat is that the court do not accept English and only local language.
Keep spamming,the results will come pretty soon (next week)

[AcoinL.L.C]

^^He says its a non english speaking country "Also,it's not in English language", the majority of the world doesn't speak fluent english

And to those saying Goat doesn't have to pay it back, he absolutely does. And if Gurrty started threatening Goat, thats completely understandable. How would you feel if someone holding nearly 2 million dollars of your funds was posting pictures of purchasing lamborghinis and showing off wallets, but refused/delayed to pay you back what your owed?

Regardless of the terms of the contract Gurrty has a strong case for his claim in court, hopefully he gets his BTC back.

[augustocroppo]

I just told my custumer to request lock on this thread to prevent spam.
Any "nit-picking" posts won't be consider as serious.
Like i said,civil claim against Goat will start on Monday and English language is not primary here and in no way its compulsory.
I like the way how all of you don't take this serious,but when the documents from the court will be posted public here,Goat and all of you will understand the serious situation.
The best part of us and the case against Goat is that the court do not accept English and only local language.
Keep spamming,the results will come pretty soon (next week)

ROFL.

d00d, Goat is certainly out of your non-English speaking jurisdiction. You have no case at all, except if you are planing to perform a trial in a kangaroo court.

By the way, what court is that you said had already sentenced cased related to virtual currencies? Where anyone can verify the veracity of your claim? That means, if your claim is true there are jurisprudence produced by the alleged court, right?

[V.Kodoff]

I just told my custumer to request lock on this thread to prevent spam.
Any "nit-picking" posts won't be consider as serious.
Like i said,civil claim against Goat will start on Monday and English language is not primary here and in no way its compulsory.
I like the way how all of you don't take this serious,but when the documents from the court will be posted public here,Goat and all of you will understand the serious situation.
The best part of us and the case against Goat is that the court do not accept English and only local language.
Keep spamming,the results will come pretty soon (next week)

ROFL.

d00d, Goat is certainly out of your non-English speaking jurisdiction. You have no case at all, except if you are planing to perform a trial in a kangaroo court.

By the way, what court is that you said had already sentenced cased related to virtual currencies? Where anyone can verify the veracity of your claim? That means, if your claim is true there are jurisprudence produced by the alleged court, right?

Jurisdiction? Everyone can be sued everywhere based on his crimes.If they are virtual and international an assistant can be claimed everytime from the court and the gouverment itself as part of the European Union.
Like i said when the case start on Monday,everything will be public.
In that time,you can only try to play smart over internet,but when all of you see how this comes real,my custumer will be the one who whill laugh last.

[smoothie]

There are so many questions within this thread that Goat has avoided to address.

One of which is the topic concerning how the funds were not going to be disclosed on how they were invested. Meaning Goat could have cashed the bonds out into BTC and invested else where.

Saying that Theymos has the coins without proof is just hogwash.

Goat took on debt denominated in BTC...that is very clear (SEE BELOW)

Goat has proven within this thread how he is not going to share information he supposedly has to discredit the accusation of the OP, will deflect all direct questions that question the DEBT he took on that is in the OP and confirmed via Theymos, and will try to find the smallest thing to blow up bigger than it really is and cry about it to no end.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

[augustocroppo]

Jurisdiction? Everyone can be sued everywhere based on his crimes.

No, d00d, that is not how it works. Your completely ignorance of what jurisdiction means is just laughable.

If they are virtual and international an assistant can be claimed everytime from the court and the gouverment itself as part of the European Union. Like i said when the case start on Monday,everything will be public.
In that time,you can only try to play smart over internet,but when all of you see how this comes real,my custumer will be the one who whill laugh last.

We are all waiting for this trial in the kangaroo court you are preparing!

[augustocroppo]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556208.0;all

After the warm welcome ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=543089.0 ) we decide to start our services.
We are law firm based on Europe with lawyers from Romania,Macedonia,Bulgaria and Ukraine.
We currently don't have website because all our cases are based local so far.
We are seven financial law specialists and we are here to help about your financial and bitcoin problems.
Depends on the case our team will pick some of our lawyers based on which country would have better chance with the specific case.
We have won 54 cases so far with 2 in process.
All of them was about financial crimes and frauds.
We can verify the information without any problems.
Our prices starts from 0.5 to 1btc per hour for any financial/bitcoin problems/questions.
Prices about staring case depends on which Country we will choose to use because of the laws on it.
We have big experience and our specialists know exactly what they are doing and how to get the best result.
The defendant is not obliged to visit the courts physical,that is the best part.
There is no problem starting a case against American citizen or firm from European country,it is even better because it will make the defendant part harder.
No matter the defendant visit the Country/Court or not,case continues with or without him based on the proofs agaisnt the fraud/crime.

*Ask your questions via Private message.
**Skype may be requested for faster communicate and better service.

So, where your lawyer company is incorporated?

0.5 to 1 BTC?
I hope you are joking; No one will pay so much money for an "internet lawyer". Can you proof that you are a lawyer, eg. any certificates?

Ofcourse we can
You think our price is big ? (220 to 440$ per hour based on btc prices nowdays)
Our prices are lowered for the new service here,we take much more than this price from our phisycal clients.
If you are looking for cheapest services,then you are not looking for good lawyers.
"Internet lawyer" or physical one is the same,not sure why you think you will find cheap professional services?
If you are looking for someone who will teach in moove and not sure what he is doing,then i believe you will find someone cheap than us willing to take your money with doing nothing in frong.

US$ 200 to US$ 400 per hour for the services of an unidentified lawyer company operating somewhere in  Romania/Macedonia/Bulgaria/Ukraine?

 

[Xelpherpolis]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556208.0;all

After the warm welcome ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=543089.0 ) we decide to start our services.
We are law firm based on Europe with lawyers from Romania,Macedonia,Bulgaria and Ukraine.
We currently don't have website because all our cases are based local so far.
We are seven financial law specialists and we are here to help about your financial and bitcoin problems.
Depends on the case our team will pick some of our lawyers based on which country would have better chance with the specific case.
We have won 54 cases so far with 2 in process.
All of them was about financial crimes and frauds.
We can verify the information without any problems.
Our prices starts from 0.5 to 1btc per hour for any financial/bitcoin problems/questions.
Prices about staring case depends on which Country we will choose to use because of the laws on it.
We have big experience and our specialists know exactly what they are doing and how to get the best result.
The defendant is not obliged to visit the courts physical,that is the best part.
There is no problem starting a case against American citizen or firm from European country,it is even better because it will make the defendant part harder.
No matter the defendant visit the Country/Court or not,case continues with or without him based on the proofs agaisnt the fraud/crime.

*Ask your questions via Private message.
**Skype may be requested for faster communicate and better service.

So, where your lawyer company is incorporated?

0.5 to 1 BTC?
I hope you are joking; No one will pay so much money for an "internet lawyer". Can you proof that you are a lawyer, eg. any certificates?

Ofcourse we can
You think our price is big ? (220 to 440$ per hour based on btc prices nowdays)
Our prices are lowered for the new service here,we take much more than this price from our phisycal clients.
If you are looking for cheapest services,then you are not looking for good lawyers.
"Internet lawyer" or physical one is the same,not sure why you think you will find cheap professional services?
If you are looking for someone who will teach in moove and not sure what he is doing,then i believe you will find someone cheap than us willing to take your money with doing nothing in frong.

US$ 200 to US$ 400 per hour for the services of an unidentified lawyer company operating somewhere in  Romania/Macedonia/Bulgaria/Ukraine?

 

I have to agree, that sounds dodgy as fuck.

[V.Kodoff]

I have more than fun time reading all your troll posts and arguments.
None of you understand anything about law and jurisdiction.
The one who needs our documents the one who needs them have them.
None of you are custumers of mine to need them.
And it will be more than fun to keep reading all the things which all are saying.

[augustocroppo]

Has anyone even verified Gurrty's post history?

On 3rd July 2011:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg320353#msg320353

Hi I am a pro when it comes to my knowledge about bitcoin and economic theory. But I am a "newbie" so I am only allowed to post in this section. Screw this, I would like to post some serious comments now!

Then he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 13th May 2012:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg898776#msg898776

Did I say my name is Gurrty?

Again, he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 10th April 2013:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172106.msg1790644#msg1790644

My uncle gave me an insurance job by summer 2010. Soon I am 22 years old:)

I worked autumn 2010 spring 2011 summer 2011. I read in a coumputer forum spring 2011 about bitcoin. I can earn money with my powerfull computers cool:)

Summer rally I watched was sporring and fun. I didn't have so many but it was ok. I wanted a respectfull stash and was working for it. My job buddy was talking about a mortgage. Hmm It just happend my house was sold to them who lived there. So I could buy my apartment 50% below market value. With good job I could easy get a mortgage for my apartment.

Summer 2011 was fun and one like you feel. My life have never been something special so everything is not so normal it seemed.

Autumn 2011. My best friend from later school years is beginning to work in same group on my job. Very special just like in school:) SO now we can go on important meetings tougher.

My mortgage loan is sign and my fiat money just happen to hit 3$ per bitcoin median price for all 15000 bitcoin. BITCOIN IS DEAD!!! CRASH!!! BURRN!! MANIPULATOR! in forum. Myself of cours knows bitcoin will go somewhere...

And I have very fun. Traveling to London Autumn 2011. Smokes silkroad weed and other secret drugs:) Winter 2011-2012 I become sick but I am not "sick" because I have always been I just know how to find and fix it after something special happend. I am working with health insurance so with my knowledge every kind of doctor, health fixer is a liar and is hurting people. I know how every people needs to be cured but know one will understand me. It seems no one can identify its sickness to understand want really is wrong. But I understand that all need to feel yourself what is right for them. Only talkning with my good friends and one more who is our common friend. I am trying to do my job so good I can. Now we all three take drugs one our job. Perhaps not so good...

I was very respected on my job. January 2012 rally I had pretty much money in bitcoin and I was talking with many on job and I heard many compliments. I worked late hours and heard many compliments. Many friends came home to me after job to perhaps smoke some weed and hang out? It was hard with time. Much on job, my "health issues", many friends, and bitcoin to watch etc.

February 2012 it's weekend. I have taken my "first" free of day, monday after weekend. I am back on tuesday and I am perhaps "high". What is more, I have not sleeped that night. I came in to job at 9 am as I tried to do usual. I am sitting one hour by my work table and is silent and almost not moving anything. I am not feeling bad perhaps realxing? After that hour I am rising up and I'm saing a weird sentence so people around me can hear. Yy Polizia di Stato is coming to get me. I then think I am in a mental hospital and my parents is crying when I saw them when I first there arrived.

First doctor is saing I will be in menal hospital forever. But I get out after two days very happy. I was a very normal and calm boy in that hospital so I guess they could not hold me that long.

14 months later it seems I lost all my money to. But that began 12-8 months ago. I was just trying to grow my bitcoin. Yes bitcoin/$ is going up but I perhaps wantet 21000, 1/1000 when all is mined. Because bitcoin is growing in BTC/$ it seemed after I lost it all nothing could keep phase with bitcoin to give a net gain in bitcoins. I was taking extrem risks to earn some more bitcoin. I was thinking 15000 bitcoin is always 15000 bitcoin even with a dollar price at 1, 100, 1000 or what. I wanted that 1/1000 of the bitcoin economy. And I was trying to support bitcoin with new fiat to help all:). That mortgage who bougth me 15000 bitcoin is nothing with this price per bitcoin. I was just trying to be kind. LOL

Perhaps some will help me now when I soon don't can buy food anymore. Seems all think I got what I deserved. But I have won my health. And my calm life I am happy with. I have hard to work. No one will employ an old drug addict caught on job. I don't take any drugs anymore. Not after I lost my job ok 2-3 times after but it was long time ago now and I don't want it more and is not planning to use it.

christmas 2011 I gave 103 bitcoins to my younger brother and my older sister. And 27 bitcoin each to my parents. Well they all have more than me now. My mam and dad have asked me if I want 27 back but it was a gift and I can't take those. I was trying to do a good job even if I took drugs. I regret it now but I thougt back then people around me was feeling better to see me "happy" I thougt I could perform better. I would not do it now but I can't change past.

One good friend have 465,77 bitcoin perhaps:) He bought those of me with btc/$ at 2,5. I was very proud he also wanted to invest in bitcoin. Two more friends have 250 and 100 btc. Ones girlfriend bougt in januari 2012 rally. I feeled bad It was beacuse of me she bought for the high price of 6,8:( She have pehaps 500 bitcoin:)

I am not really writning this to ask for help. Pehaps share a story. If you want to help a poor old member in the proud bitcoin community you can only if you want send what you want to this adress.

1CRrsL2end3cLFScUEtUPgX7yjjprktLkp

Thank you for reading. Sometime I feel I have something important to share even if I am bad on most besides computers, bitcoin and some more.

I am not english so please forgive my writing. It is a bit hard for me with speeling and grammar but I have tried to write me understandable.

Once more, he ceases to participate in the forum, but this time more than a year. When he returns, on 23rd May 2014:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619677.msg6892715#msg6892715

I know why. Goat owe me 4105 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks. He still owes me 4105 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for.

Where is justice?

[augustocroppo]

I have more than fun time reading all your troll posts and arguments.
None of you understand anything about law and jurisdiction.
The one who needs our documents the one who needs them have them.
None of you are custumers of mine to need them.
And it will be more than fun to keep reading all the things which all are saying.
I also see that Gurrty is trying to lie me so we will see how this is going to end.

No one have to be your customer to you prove you are who you claim to be. The burden of proof is on you, but I guess not even that you can understand...

In accordance with your logic, someone should send you money first and then receive the necessary information to verify if you are legit. That is not how it works in the real world and you are certainly not a legit lawyer (or if you are, your ethics are just despicable).

[smoothie]

Has anyone even verified Gurrty's post history?

On 3rd July 2011:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg320353#msg320353

Hi I am a pro when it comes to my knowledge about bitcoin and economic theory. But I am a "newbie" so I am only allowed to post in this section. Screw this, I would like to post some serious comments now!

Then he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 13th May 2012:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg898776#msg898776

Did I say my name is Gurrty?

Again, he ceases to participate in the forum for almost a year. When he returns, on 10th April 2013:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172106.msg1790644#msg1790644

My uncle gave me an insurance job by summer 2010. Soon I am 22 years old:)

I worked autumn 2010 spring 2011 summer 2011. I read in a coumputer forum spring 2011 about bitcoin. I can earn money with my powerfull computers cool:)

Summer rally I watched was sporring and fun. I didn't have so many but it was ok. I wanted a respectfull stash and was working for it. My job buddy was talking about a mortgage. Hmm It just happend my house was sold to them who lived there. So I could buy my apartment 50% below market value. With good job I could easy get a mortgage for my apartment.

Summer 2011 was fun and one like you feel. My life have never been something special so everything is not so normal it seemed.

Autumn 2011. My best friend from later school years is beginning to work in same group on my job. Very special just like in school:) SO now we can go on important meetings tougher.

My mortgage loan is sign and my fiat money just happen to hit 3$ per bitcoin median price for all 15000 bitcoin. BITCOIN IS DEAD!!! CRASH!!! BURRN!! MANIPULATOR! in forum. Myself of cours knows bitcoin will go somewhere...

And I have very fun. Traveling to London Autumn 2011. Smokes silkroad weed and other secret drugs:) Winter 2011-2012 I become sick but I am not "sick" because I have always been I just know how to find and fix it after something special happend. I am working with health insurance so with my knowledge every kind of doctor, health fixer is a liar and is hurting people. I know how every people needs to be cured but know one will understand me. It seems no one can identify its sickness to understand want really is wrong. But I understand that all need to feel yourself what is right for them. Only talkning with my good friends and one more who is our common friend. I am trying to do my job so good I can. Now we all three take drugs one our job. Perhaps not so good...

I was very respected on my job. January 2012 rally I had pretty much money in bitcoin and I was talking with many on job and I heard many compliments. I worked late hours and heard many compliments. Many friends came home to me after job to perhaps smoke some weed and hang out? It was hard with time. Much on job, my "health issues", many friends, and bitcoin to watch etc.

February 2012 it's weekend. I have taken my "first" free of day, monday after weekend. I am back on tuesday and I am perhaps "high". What is more, I have not sleeped that night. I came in to job at 9 am as I tried to do usual. I am sitting one hour by my work table and is silent and almost not moving anything. I am not feeling bad perhaps realxing? After that hour I am rising up and I'm saing a weird sentence so people around me can hear. Yy Polizia di Stato is coming to get me. I then think I am in a mental hospital and my parents is crying when I saw them when I first there arrived.

First doctor is saing I will be in menal hospital forever. But I get out after two days very happy. I was a very normal and calm boy in that hospital so I guess they could not hold me that long.

14 months later it seems I lost all my money to. But that began 12-8 months ago. I was just trying to grow my bitcoin. Yes bitcoin/$ is going up but I perhaps wantet 21000, 1/1000 when all is mined. Because bitcoin is growing in BTC/$ it seemed after I lost it all nothing could keep phase with bitcoin to give a net gain in bitcoins. I was taking extrem risks to earn some more bitcoin. I was thinking 15000 bitcoin is always 15000 bitcoin even with a dollar price at 1, 100, 1000 or what. I wanted that 1/1000 of the bitcoin economy. And I was trying to support bitcoin with new fiat to help all:). That mortgage who bougth me 15000 bitcoin is nothing with this price per bitcoin. I was just trying to be kind. LOL

Perhaps some will help me now when I soon don't can buy food anymore. Seems all think I got what I deserved. But I have won my health. And my calm life I am happy with. I have hard to work. No one will employ an old drug addict caught on job. I don't take any drugs anymore. Not after I lost my job ok 2-3 times after but it was long time ago now and I don't want it more and is not planning to use it.

christmas 2011 I gave 103 bitcoins to my younger brother and my older sister. And 27 bitcoin each to my parents. Well they all have more than me now. My mam and dad have asked me if I want 27 back but it was a gift and I can't take those. I was trying to do a good job even if I took drugs. I regret it now but I thougt back then people around me was feeling better to see me "happy" I thougt I could perform better. I would not do it now but I can't change past.

One good friend have 465,77 bitcoin perhaps:) He bought those of me with btc/$ at 2,5. I was very proud he also wanted to invest in bitcoin. Two more friends have 250 and 100 btc. Ones girlfriend bougt in januari 2012 rally. I feeled bad It was beacuse of me she bought for the high price of 6,8:( She have pehaps 500 bitcoin:)

I am not really writning this to ask for help. Pehaps share a story. If you want to help a poor old member in the proud bitcoin community you can only if you want send what you want to this adress.

1CRrsL2end3cLFScUEtUPgX7yjjprktLkp

Thank you for reading. Sometime I feel I have something important to share even if I am bad on most besides computers, bitcoin and some more.

I am not english so please forgive my writing. It is a bit hard for me with speeling and grammar but I have tried to write me understandable.

Once more, he ceases to participate in the forum, but this time more than a year. When he returns, on 23rd May 2014:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619677.msg6892715#msg6892715

I know why. Goat owe me 4105 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks. He still owes me 4105 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for.

Where is justice?

Since when does post history matter in this case?

The PMs in the OP were verified by Theymos. The debt was taken on by Goat by his own words he wrote then confirming he received the bonds from Gurrty.


OFF-TOPIC: the OP has outted himself as smoking stuff he got from Silk Road? (Did I read that right?) Wow that's too much information, but oh well.

[V.Kodoff]

I have more than fun time reading all your troll posts and arguments.
None of you understand anything about law and jurisdiction.
The one who needs our documents the one who needs them have them.
None of you are custumers of mine to need them.
And it will be more than fun to keep reading all the things which all are saying.
I also see that Gurrty is trying to lie me so we will see how this is going to end.

No one have to be your customer to you prove you are who you claim to be. The burden of proof is on you, but I guess not even that you can understand...

In accordance with your logic, someone should send you money first and then receive the necessary information to verify if you are legit. That is not how it works in the real world and you are certainly not a legit lawyer (or if you are, your ethics are just despicable).

Well you keep spamming with things you don't know,you won't know and you only can attack over internet troll spams.
I never requested money first and then giving the necessary information to verify i am legit.
I already verified myself to who i need to without asking money first.
Also if you check that thread,you will realize that i offered my service for FREE,but you are to busy to troll over internet to try make your self look intelligent on forum which everyone use to scam the other member...

[El Cabron]

I like to inform you that as laywer now i represent mr.Lessmar and from now on you can speak with me about this.
Everything you say out of court can and will be used against you.
We are starting case against you on Monday,it will be civil and the claim will be refund of 3740.35 btc.
I just want you to let you know that you will be sued in European country which English is not primary language and you won't be able to use it to denfend youself.
You may need translator to understand the claim and also hire a local lawyer from here who will know the local laws.
As part of European Union,our laws are accepted everywhere on Europe.
There will be research for your job,your family,your monthly income,your taxes,your investmens and everything which will help us to bring the true comes transparent.
The costs which that case will bring you won't be small and you can find that by urself when you besiege that with your lawyers.
I like to inform you this is really serious and documents about the case will be posted Public here on the forum and also will be send to you to take it seriously.
We already talk with mr.Lessmar and if you like to discuss it,we have an offer for you which is good for both of you and this can end quick and easy.
I am going to give you 7 days to answer me (you can talk with your lawyers).
In this time you may receive a invite from the court here.
If you like to discuss our offer about agreement,let me know before we go future.

Yes i am lawyer from Europe.
He still didn't contact me...
My price is 150$ per hour.
There is also few court and document taxes.
Like i noted on the thread,our court do not use English language but we offer translator for our custumers which is free from us.
Let me know what kind of case you like to start.
Is it civil or crime?
What the claim will be? Money?Bitcoins?
How much valued?
It is not necessarily to visit the court or the country,we can present you with a simple contract signed virtual from you.

Theymos please confirm these are real PMs.

Edit: Gurrty, this looks like a scam. Assuming this is not your sock account the best advice I can give you is make sure they are a legit company before you give them any money. They offered to work for me but did not provide proof they were anything but a troll trying to get a few BTC. Best of luck.

[V.Kodoff]

That's right Goat,we was smart enough to "test" you how far you will go with that after you tried to contact me about hiring me,so mr.Lessmar know exactly all my steps on this.
I notify him about ur message,and how you like to hire me right after you see i offered my services for FREE.
I like to inform you and everyone once again that i offered my services for FREE and they will remain that untill we complete this.
Any attempts to confuse my custumer with false information will meet dead end.
Before i take any acts against you,i consider that with him and ask him for permission.
All the required documents for verification such as sertificate and firm documents was provided to my custumer and our agreement with him still making him in good position by paying anything AFTER i complete the case.
Here comes your private message right after you see that i am going to represent him for FREE
https://i.imgur.com/Ub6TDHR.png

I am not sure how and from where you did get that wrong feeling i am going to represent you,the messages i have send you right after you contacted me was about the prices for my services,and what kind of case you like to start against my custumer.
That help me a lot to prove to my custumer you have no good intentions to complete this and even the inverse by trying to hire me before him.
Here is the message i send you -> https://i.imgur.com/8Zk0bBc.png
I will keep this transparent for everyone and like i said to my custumer,we will require a thread with the public case which won't be able to be spammed.
We will require assistance from Admin to open a closed thread which can be only moderated from Admin,and we will kindly ask him just to make the case public and update it with documents from court and keep it official.
The false attempts to confuse my custumers will meet dead end because before i do anything i always consider it with my custumer.
I will be more than happy to represent him and already noted couple times that i won't require anymoney BEFORE i complete the case.

Goat,i really like to complete this in favour for both of you,because it seems you don't understand the serious situation which both of you are.
The claim will be "transmitted" to the court in Monday and i will update with official documents from the court.
I hope you will take this seriously after you receive invitation from our court.
In that time,i suggest you to talk with your lawyers before you post or do anything you think is good move for you.
I am going to stop with the posts about this thread because i also requested from my custumer to close the thread and just continue with the updated thrad which we will require.
Any non-official attempts for contact with me will be also redirected to my custumer so he and all of you will be able to watch everything public.
For those who don't understand the word "jurisdiction" i suggest all of you to either use some source as google or law firm to help you understand it.
A person from another country won't have jurisdiction only if he is trying to practice his skills on another country on which the license won't be recognized as genuine.
As part of European Union,we and every single European country have the full jurisdiction to sue everyone in our courst and also in the Supreme Court of Europe in Belgium.
Before you start to "defend" yourself without lawyer consultation,please, understand the law and that everything can and will be used in the court against you based on any posts/acts from your side.
I know i repeat myself but once again,i would like to complete this in favour for both of you,because that may end really fast and easy for favour in my custumer,based on the facts and the things i have as evidence so far.
Before you writte to me anything,i suggest you to contact your lawyers and check my words.
Don't worry about my custumer,he won't pay me anything upfront
I required payment after the case is closed either by the court or agreement between of us.
I was kind enough to notify you about our acts and that we have good offer for agreement between you and my custumer before this go future.
If you like to stop the dicuss with me,you can redirect your lawyers to contact me.
In the documents from the court,there will be full information about our claim,our law firm,where the case start and which court it will be used.
All the information will be transparent so your lawyers will be able to contact me anytime to discuss this.
Prepare yourself a translator because your lawyers may have hard time reading the documents and understand our laws.
As kind person,i will redirect you and your lawyers to our official laws agaisnt cyber crimes.
All of you will have enough time to read them,translate them at your language and understand them.
I am more than sure right after you contact your lawyers,read our laws and understand the serious situation,we will end this in favour for both of you,because the facts which any lawyer will meet in our country and our laws,will help you to understand that it will be really hard for you and your lawyers to start defend yourself.
You are not obliged to visit the court,there will be 2 invites,after the secund,if you are not willing to visit it,the case can continue without you but a mulct will be put on you just because you haven't respected the court invite.
This is from me for now,from now on i will keep our conversation strict,based on our laws and only official.
Your attempts to confuse my custumer may only make your case worst My custumer was and will be notified for all my acts and messages which we will swap.
If you have any good intentions to complete this by agreement,you can contact me via Private Message to discuss this with or without your lawyers,but once again,i suggest you to contact them first.

** Theymos don't need to verify the pms are real,i already verified them even with screenshots for them.
We have nothing to hide,even the reverse
I know what i write,how to write in in our favour.
And this just prove the words i told to my custumer that you have no good intentions.
For our good or bad,everything will be public and transperent to everyone.

[El Cabron]

That's right Goat,we was smart enough to "test" you how far you will go with that after you tried to contact me about hiring me,so mr.Lessmar know exactly all my steps on this.
I notify him about ur message,and how you like to hire me right after you see i offered my services for FREE.
I like to inform you and everyone once again that i offered my services for FREE and they will remain that untill we complete this.
Any attempts to confuse my custumer with false information will meet dead end.
Before i take any acts against you,i consider that with him and ask him for permission.
All the required documents for verification such as sertificate and firm documents was provided to my custumer and our agreement with him still making him in good position by paying anything AFTER i complete the case.
Here comes your private message right after you see that i am going to represent him for FREE
https://i.imgur.com/Ub6TDHR.png

I am not sure how and from where you did get that wrong feeling i am going to represent you,the messages i have send you right after you contacted me was about the prices for my services,and what kind of case you like to start against my custumer.
That help me a lot to prove to my custumer you have no good intentions to complete this and even the inverse by trying to hire me before him.
Here is the message i send you -> https://i.imgur.com/8Zk0bBc.png
I will keep this transparent for everyone and like i said to my custumer,we will require a thread with the public case which won't be able to be spammed.
We will require assistance from Admin to open a closed thread which can be only moderated from Admin,and we will kindly ask him just to make the case public and update it with documents from court and keep it official.
The false attempts to confuse my custumers will meet dead end because before i do anything i always consider it with my custumer.
I will be more than happy to represent him and already noted couple times that i won't require anymoney BEFORE i complete the case.

Goat,i really like to complete this in favour for both of you,because it seems you don't understand the serious situation which both of you are.
The claim will be "transmitted" to the court in Monday and i will update with official documents from the court.
I hope you will take this seriously after you receive invitation from our court.
In that time,i suggest you to talk with your lawyers before you post or do anything you think is good move for you.
I am going to stop with the posts about this thread because i also requested from my custumer to close the thread and just continue with the updated thrad which we will require.
Any non-official attempts for contact with me will be also redirected to my custumer so he and all of you will be able to watch everything public.
For those who don't understand the word "jurisdiction" i suggest all of you to either use some source as google or law firm to help you understand it.
A person from another country won't have jurisdiction only if he is trying to practice his skills on another country on which the license won't be recognized as genuine.
As part of European Union,we and every single European country have the full jurisdiction to sue everyone in our courst and also in the Supreme Court of Europe in Belgium.
Before you start to "defend" yourself without lawyer consultation,please, understand the law and that everything can and will be used in the court against you based on any posts/acts from your side.
I know i repeat myself but once again,i would like to complete this in favour for both of you,because that may end really fast and easy for favour in my custumer,based on the facts and the things i have as evidence so far.
Before you writte to me anything,i suggest you to contact your lawyers and check my words.
Don't worry about my custumer,he won't pay me anything upfront
I required payment after the case is closed either by the court or agreement between of us.
I was kind enough to notify you about our acts and that we have good offer for agreement between you and my custumer before this go future.
If you like to stop the dicuss with me,you can redirect your lawyers to contact me.
In the documents from the court,there will be full information about our claim,our law firm,where the case start and which court it will be used.
All the information will be transparent so your lawyers will be able to contact me anytime to discuss this.
Prepare yourself a translator because your lawyers may have hard time reading the documents and understand our laws.
As kind person,i will redirect you and your lawyers to our official laws agaisnt cyber crimes.
All of you will have enough time to read them,translate them at your language and understand them.
I am more than sure right after you contact your lawyers,read our laws and understand the serious situation,we will end this in favour for both of you,because the facts which any lawyer will meet in our country and our laws,will help you to understand that it will be really hard for you and your lawyers to start defend yourself.
You are not obliged to visit the court,there will be 2 invites,after the secund,if you are not willing to visit it,the case can continue without you but a mulct will be put on you just because you haven't respected the court invite.
This is from me for now,from now on i will keep our conversation strict,based on our laws and only official.
Your attempts to confuse my custumer may only make your case worst My custumer was and will be notified for all my acts and messages which we will swap.
If you have any good intentions to complete this by agreement,you can contact me via Private Message to discuss this with or without your lawyers,but once again,i suggest you to contact them first.

If my lawyers can contact you at any time, why do you refuse to tell us who you are? Clearly you are just OP, or some troll having a laugh. If you think I'm going to pay you off you are just insane.

No real lawyer would say "pay me or I post personal info on a public forum". No one is going to take you seriously.

[El Cabron]

The documents will be posted public so you can see them.
They won't be redirected directly to you,but to everyone.
Any documents than invites will be provided to your lawyers by request.
The court will send invites for everyone because that's the law will and that how it works.
As good person once again, i suggest you to contact your lawyers before you write anything to me because it can and it will be used against you about that case.
I also hope that your lawyers after translating everything will realize that you are only able to defend yourself based on case,and everything off-topic won't and can't be counted as proof or against my custumer,but u will understand this when you meet our laws.
If you or your lawyers want to start case against my custumers based on another proofs,you need to start another one.
Please have a full read of the laws about civil claims for virtual crimes and how they are going.
I want this to be over in favour to both of you,because i am still convinced that may end good.
If your lawyers are ready to negotiate and like to hear and consider our offer whcih will be good for both sides,note me so i can talk with my custumer before we go future.
The attempts to false confuse my custumers will be in dead end.
All the documents for us,our firm such as certificates and everything needed to prove we are legit and not only have been provided to our custumer and he know everything.
We agreed to not request any money from him before this end,that may help you to understand that we are starting this as FREE service (Just for the start but not when it ends) and your claims about us trying to get something from our custumer before we do anything is absurd and we will be more than happy to prove that because like i said all the documents will be public.
Double think and talk with your lawyers before you act,because the non knowledge can cost you more than you think.

What is your "offer" ?

[El Cabron]

How can you represent us both? You said you would represnt me and i said okay. Now you will take the information i gave you and use it aginst me?

I think i should sue you for fraud! This is illegal in thailand i dont know about europe.

About that,you are totaly wrong again.
We never had contact,we never agreed on anything,i was just kind enough to explain you the price of my services,ask you what kind of case you like to start and things which every single lawyer must know.
I said i could represent you before me and my custumer agreed to represent him,so everything before that is just an conversation between a person and a lawyer such as advice.
If you think you can sue me about this,you can contact your your lawyers and ask them and you will realize how right i am for the said above.
Once again,we have good offer for both of you and this may end simple and easy for both of you.
When you decide to talk with us and check our offer,you will realize it won't help only my custumer but urself also,because my custumer still not keeping bad feelings about that and you and he is willing to end this simple,easy and good for both of you.

I am waiting for your "offer" Mr. Secret Lawyer. 

[El Cabron]

Yeah man, it does seem pretty clear that yall did ink a deal for a redemption of 427 bonds before Pirate's ship had sailed. Mouse, the BTC value has changed drastically since then though, and I think it would be fair if you interpreted it as the cash value of 427 BTC was back then (around $5700 and change). That makes it easy since that's right around 10 BTC in today's money.

I received negative trust from Tomatocage for nothing. I dont know him, I was not in PM contact with him. I did not do bussiness with him. He gave me negative trust because I started thread where I revealed owner of bankrupted exchange www.cryptorush.in and his team.

Tomatocage even didnt try contact me and discuss situation before giving me negative trust.

There is high probability that Tomatocage is part of www.cryptorush.in team or he was paid by them (as they stole 400 - 800 000 Usd they have plenty of money) to damage my reputation. All of you please be careful

I was told he would give me good feedback if I paid off MousePotato. I think he takes the system a bit too seriously myself.

[El Cabron]

Its not my "offer" its my custumer offer based on the facts i told him.
Once again i suggest you to get a lawyer and translator and have a seriously look at the European laws about cyber crimes before you do anything.
I must talk with my custumer before i offer you anything.
He already agreed with me about the offer but still i need his confirmation,so after you checked what i am saying and get this seriously at it is,we can continue our conversation.
You will be suprised how my custumer still want to keep that friendly and good not only for him but for you also.
We are really careful what we write and post and i suggest you doing the same just because from an easy thing it may go really hard.
Don't keep hard feelings and just try to fix it without problems with the law in court.
We will give you that chance,and if you and your lawyers are smart and understand how hard it will be for you and them to defend you on our country by our laws,you will understand that our offer is the best chance for you.

So there is no longer an offer. Shock...

Edit: No offer just more threats. I'm not scared about your unknown laws in your unknown country.

[El Cabron]

so there is no offer. you are just joking about the offer? lol

I don't joke with the laws and things like that,the offer will be present to you after my custumer confirm once again he is okay with it (no matter he already agreed,it must be confirmed once again before i present it).
Please, read my last messages and take your time to visit and talk with your lawyers.
For your own good i will stop the conversation for now and give you time to understand the situation and consult with proffesional who know a little bit about the laws here.

lol. I think this "lawyer" is OP.

[V.Kodoff]

Thanks for keep spamming and keeping it un official.
Our private messages will and can be used against you and also will be posted as screenshots to the forum public.
I told you couple times that we have offer for you but it must be consider with my custumer we go any future.
Your non grounded claims can only harm you in future.
I told you 5 times so far to contact your lawyers before you continue to write.
Playing smart in a forum won't bring you any good in real case but only problems.
If you think you are "smart" enough to handle things wich you don't understand wuch as our laws,our language and the claim itself,then you can continue doing/posting whatever you what,which will and can be used against you.
About ur requests,i noted 3 times so far that the case will be public and everyone will be able to watch but not spam about it.
Keep trying to confuse everyone,but when you realize how serious that is,i hope it won't be later after the messages you are sending.
Contact your lawyers once again.
We don't require money upfront from our custumer once again.
Case will be public to everyone once again.
I refuse to give you any information about us and anything about it just because you have no rights to ask for it.
Only a lawyer who verified his self can request it from the court.
I am not forced to share any information with you,but i was kind enough to explain you and tell you to contact your lawyers before you do anything.
I am going to stop posting on this forum because it seems the spamming "trolls" protect their forum guru for scamming large amounts over internet.
Well we are 2014 year and cases like this for cyber crimes are more than serious and u will find out that really soon.

*Edit: I never used to threat anyone i am just here to explain you the situation.
Keep wasting your time with trying to look intelligent in forum on which no one care about you and what's going to happend with you.
The only persons who may care for payment is your lawyers,and i suggest you to stop playing "smart" because it will cost you more than you think.
I never thread,i only advice.
But i will stop from now on.
Defending yourself without law knowledge is not a smart move,but i won't advice you anymore because you calling my advices threats.
You can keep trying to make you look you can handle this by urself,write whatever you want,i wont post on this thread anymore.

[El Cabron]

Thanks for keep spamming and keeping it un official.
Our private messages will and can be used against you and also will be posted as screenshots to the forum public.
I told you couple times that we have offer for you but it must be consider with my custumer we go any future.
Your non grounded claims can only harm you in future.
I told you 5 times so far to contact your lawyers before you continue to write.
Playing smart in a forum won't bring you any good in real case but only problems.
If you think you are "smart" enough to handle things wich you don't understand wuch as our laws,our language and the claim itself,then you can continue doing/posting whatever you what,which will and can be used against you.
About ur requests,i noted 3 times so far that the case will be public and everyone will be able to watch but not spam about it.
Keep trying to confuse everyone,but when you realize how serious that is,i hope it won't be later after the messages you are sending.
Contact your lawyers once again.
We don't require money upfront from our custumer once again.
Case will be public to everyone once again.
I refuse to give you any information about us and anything about it just because you have no rights to ask for it.
Only a lawyer who verified his self can request it from the court.
I am not forced to share any information with you,but i was kind enough to explain you and tell you to contact your lawyers before you do anything.
I am going to stop posting on this forum because it seems the spamming "trolls" protect their forum guru for scamming large amounts over internet.
Well we are 2014 year and cases like this for cyber crimes are more than serious and u will find out that really soon.

*Edit: I never used to threat anyone i am just here to explain you the situation.
Keep wasting your time with trying to look intelligent in forum on which no one care about you and what's going to happend with you.
The only persons who may care for payment is your lawyers,and i suggest you to stop playing "smart" because it will cost you more than you think.
I never thread,i only advice.
But i will stop from now on.
Defending yourself without law knowledge is not a smart move,but i won't advice you anymore because you calling my advices threats.
You can keep trying to make you look you can handle this by urself,write whatever you want,i wont post on this thread anymore.

Oh wow. This is classic.

If you are able to come up with an "offer" before you post your case documents on Monday let me know!

By the way, thanks for being so helpful and letting me know I really should talk to my lawyers cuz some random guy on the internet said I should! You are so kind!

[El Cabron]

you can not agree to represent me, and then take it back. You are clearly not a lawyer.

Yes i am lawyer and obviously i know the laws here much better than you.
We never sign agreement/contract and our conversation was just information and questions about future case and price of my services.
Please,double check what you write,what i write and how it was writen.
I will suggest you for last time to contact your lawyers before you message me things you don't understand and can goes against you.
You don't need to be rude,that will just make me stop consider that with you and just continue it strictly official by requesting contact only with your lawyers.
They will help you to math your chances and costs on different country,different language,different laws.
I am more than sure they will help you to understand we are only looking to complete this in favour for both sides.

Lol. Okay, now I am sure it is you Gurrty, nice try! hahaha

Sure,you can believe in everything you want its up to you.You will find that i am not my custumer really soon and even my poor english skills and way of type make that obvious.
But you can believe in everything you want
I hope you will take it serious after the invite from court comes to you.
Admin from that site will be forced to give full information about you when the court request it.
I was trying to fix the things between you and him by the easy way,but it seems you live in your own virtual world with your own virtual rules and laws which have nothing to do with th real world.
I see you are total ignorant because you never ever spend 2 or 200 mins of reading about the European laws and how they are going against you with every single message you posting.
Thank''s for making my job easy than it is.

[Xelpherpolis]

This thread is really dragging on with no sign of either party getting closer to settling.

[smoothie]

so there is no offer. you are just joking about the offer? lol

I don't joke with the laws and things like that,the offer will be present to you after my custumer confirm once again he is okay with it (no matter he already agreed,it must be confirmed once again before i present it).
Please, read my last messages and take your time to visit and talk with your lawyers.
For your own good i will stop the conversation for now and give you time to understand the situation and consult with proffesional who know a little bit about the laws here.

lol. I think this "lawyer" is OP.

You could ask Theymos to verify this.

[El Cabron]

so there is no offer. you are just joking about the offer? lol

I don't joke with the laws and things like that,the offer will be present to you after my custumer confirm once again he is okay with it (no matter he already agreed,it must be confirmed once again before i present it).
Please, read my last messages and take your time to visit and talk with your lawyers.
For your own good i will stop the conversation for now and give you time to understand the situation and consult with proffesional who know a little bit about the laws here.

lol. I think this "lawyer" is OP.

You could ask Theymos to verify this.

Theymos will not be able to know unless he is in the same room as both OP and the "lawyer".

VPNs and TOR can make it look like anyone is anyone. I could make theymos think I was you.

[El Cabron]

This thread is really dragging on with no sign of either party getting closer to settling.

OP has not posted in days and his "lawyer" will not even tell us what country he practices law in or what the "offer" is that I had best take before Monday.

There is no reason to take this seriously at all.

[smoothie]

so there is no offer. you are just joking about the offer? lol

I don't joke with the laws and things like that,the offer will be present to you after my custumer confirm once again he is okay with it (no matter he already agreed,it must be confirmed once again before i present it).
Please, read my last messages and take your time to visit and talk with your lawyers.
For your own good i will stop the conversation for now and give you time to understand the situation and consult with proffesional who know a little bit about the laws here.

lol. I think this "lawyer" is OP.

You could ask Theymos to verify this.

Theymos will not be able to know unless he is in the same room as both OP and the "lawyer".

VPNs and TOR can make it look like anyone is anyone. I could make theymos think I was you.

True but not everyone is that smart.  

I hardly think you could make Theymos think I was you. LOL ...such a funny thought haha

[watcoin]

Best thread on this site. A bitcoin soap opera with intrigue. Keep up the great work.

[El Cabron]

Best thread on this site. A bitcoin soap opera with intrigue. Keep up the great work.

my threads tend to  be that way. I dont end it before it starts like most people i bait them just enough to make them look silly.

With out smoothie theymos and now secret lawyer i could never have this much fun.

Anyway after the drama this will be deleated like the others.

enjoy for now.

[smoothie]

Best thread on this site. A bitcoin soap opera with intrigue. Keep up the great work.

my threads tend to  be that way. I dont end it before it starts like most people i bait them just enough to make them look silly.

With out smoothie theymos and now secret lawyer i could never have this much fun.

Anyway after the drama this will be deleated like the others.

enjoy for now.

LOL

And he says stuff like this ^

Even though he hasn't answered the tough questions I've posed numerously in this thread.

It sure is fun to see Goat run away from the hard questions and then cry about the most littlest thing. Pure COMEDY! 

[El Cabron]

Best thread on this site. A bitcoin soap opera with intrigue. Keep up the great work.

my threads tend to  be that way. I dont end it before it starts like most people i bait them just enough to make them look silly.

With out smoothie theymos and now secret lawyer i could never have this much fun.

Anyway after the drama this will be deleated like the others.

enjoy for now.

LOL

And he says stuff like this ^

Even though he hasn't answered the tough questions I've posed numerously in this thread.

It sure is fun to see Goat run away from the hard questions and then cry about the most littlest thing. Pure COMEDY! 

all in a good troll.


btw where did that lawyer go? or OP for that matter. has it really become trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls again?

[augustocroppo]

It is also important to consider that Gurrty sold his account at some point and the new owner is using the post history to impersonate him and cast aspersions on Goat. The previous post history before Gurrty last return is not congruent with the post history after the last return. Keep also in mind that when Gurrty posted his sob story, that was quite likely a Google translated text:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172106.msg1790644#msg1790644

V.Kodoff could really be Gurrty's sock puppet (of the original or the new account owner) or be part of a cybergang working along with the person behind the Gurrty account. It is obvious that English is not the mother language of both forum users. There are also clues which indicates that both forum users are from Europe.

That could be a coincidence, but...

Here comes your private message right after you see that i am going to represent him for FREE
https://i.imgur.com/Ub6TDHR.png

Here is the message i send you -> https://i.imgur.com/8Zk0bBc.png

One day after I started that topic I was motivated to ask Goat if I could get some money back;

https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

His response;

https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Both forum user have the same manner to cut-and-paste the private messages and both forum user the same image hosting.

[El Cabron]

Yes. We do not know. Also for all everyone knows all three accounts could be mine.

Also theymos could be the new gurrty.

it is interesting.

anyway on monday we will get the name of the lawyer when he posts the docs on monday. Should be fun.

[augustocroppo]

By the way, both forum users also use the " many times:

That's right Goat,we was smart enough to "test" you how far you will go with that after you tried to contact me about hiring me,so mr.Lessmar know exactly all my steps on this.

The claim will be "transmitted" to the court in Monday and i will update with official documents from the court.

For those who don't understand the word "jurisdiction" i suggest all of you to either use some source as google or law firm to help you understand it.

When Goat is writing "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

I will not call FBI or go to court if you can work to get this solved. I hope I don't "need to" like I wrote. I expect Goat to present a good compensation by free will.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

[augustocroppo]

http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/jurisdiction_courts/jurisdiction_courts_ec_en.htm

What are the main principles of the Regulation as regards jurisdiction?

In general the factor determining jurisdiction is the domicile of the defendant. Persons domiciled in a Member State shall, whatever their nationality, be sued in the courts of that Member State. Nevertheless, the Regulation contains a number of provisions that depart from this principle and allow court proceedings to be brought in another Member State other than where the defendant is domiciled. The most important examples of these special rules are:

in matters relating to a contractual obligation a person can be sued in the courts for the place of performance of that obligation. For example, the German vendor of a lorry can be sued in Italy if that is where the vehicle was to be delivered.
in an action for damages the courts of the place where the harmful event occurred are competent. Thus, in the case of a traffic accident that happened in Greece between a British tourist and a Greek local, the Greek plaintiff can use the Greek courts. Sometimes the place of the event giving rise to liability in tort (e.g. the emission of toxic substances into a river in France) and the place where that event results in damage (e.g. harm to plants irrigated with the water of the polluted river in Belgium) are not located in the same Member State. In that case the plaintiff is free to choose the courts of either of those Member States.
in matters relating to maintenance the maintenance creditor can turn to the courts of the Member State in which he himself is domiciled.
in some contractual relationships that are characterised by a marked imbalance of power between the parties such as matters relating to consumer contracts, to insurance and to individual contracts of employment the weaker party is deemed to be in need of special protection. As a general rule, the weaker parties (the consumer, the insured, the employee) can only be sued in the Member State where they are domiciled. The stronger parties (the dealer, the insurer, the employer), on the other hand, can also be sued, sometimes subject to certain conditions, in the Member State where the weaker party is domiciled or (as regards employment contracts) carries out his work.
The rules on special jurisdiction listed above constitute an additional option for the plaintiff who can also choose to sue the defendant in the courts of the Member State in which that person is domiciled. There are, however, also some cases of so-called exclusive jurisdiction that do not supplement but replace the jurisdiction based on the defendant's domicile. For example,

in matters relating to the ownership or tenancy of immovable property only the courts of the Member State where the property is situated have jurisdiction.
in matters relating to rights that have to be registered such as patents or trademarks the courts of the Member State in which the registration has taken place are exclusively competent.
subject to some conditions the parties also have the possibility of freely choosing the Member State whose courts are to have jurisdiction. Such a choice of court agreement usually leads to the exclusive competence of the courts of the chosen Member State unless the parties stipulate otherwise.
Subject to certain exceptions, the mere fact that the defendant enters an appearance in court leads to the jurisdiction of the courts of that Member State even if they are not ordinarily competent.
Please note that the above description of the rules on jurisdiction in the Regulation is neither exhaustive nor sufficiently thorough to allow a reliable assessment of the issue of jurisdiction in a concrete case.

[El Cabron]

Clearly the lawyer is not a lawyer.

So theymos was he dumb enough to use the same ip?

[V.Kodoff]

Clearly the lawyer is not a lawyer.

So theymos was he dumb enough to use the same ip?

I had really fun day reading everything so far
Everyone can do whatever checks they need to verify anything they need to.
I would like to tell you that every single country have different was based on the supreme Court in Belgium.
None of the country's must use the same law but it is the last instantion for appeal.
Its funny how most of you are getting so serious about things which don't know and searching knowledge in google.
I will going to be more and more interesting when the documents come up and all of you see whats going on.
It is fun also how every single "troll" here defends the scammer and also trying to make him look even good for his crimes.
Monday is pretty soon When this start,i hope the paranoia won't cloud your mind and you are going to ask for your lawyers for advices
Making yourself looking more intelligent over forum full of scammers and scammer defenders based on lack knowledge is so fun.
It is also fun how most of you think the laws on Europe are the same on every country.
Jurisdiction is something which i will need if you was going to be sued in your country,because i won't be able to do that just because my license will worth nothing there.
The court it self can claim,request and force everyone no matter which country it is because the all country's help each others to catch the criminals with their own instances.
Such as FBI on US,KGB on RUS,Interpol in EU and etc.
No matter what all of you saying,the law and the court have the last words,the trolls was never liked over internet because they are using to confuse most of the uncertain peoples who know nothing about they are talking about.
My client will keep silence no matter what all of you trolls keep spamming and trying to manipulate his mind.
None of you can manipulate me because i know the laws where i am,i have experience and i know what i am saying and doing.
When the documents become public lets see who is going to look ridiculous.
Goat,i love the way how you manipulate most of the peoples here,you seem to be a professional scammer with good plans for his scamms but don't forget you won't be able to say anything in the court but only your lawyers
Its nice you thinking me and my client are the same guy,not sure why you give me advantage with your foolishness but you will start to be so silent really soon
When my client is okay to share with you the offer,you will be informed via private message.
I am sorry to all of you who defend a professional scammer and lier,but we will prove that in court.
Everything else is trash talk and just empty words based on no proofs which means nothing to the law.
Take care.

[El Cabron]

Clearly the lawyer is not a lawyer.

So theymos was he dumb enough to use the same ip?

I had really fun day reading everything so far
Everyone can do whatever checks they need to verify anything they need to.
I would like to tell you that every single country have different was based on the supreme Court in Belgium.
None of the country's must use the same law but it is the last instantion for appeal.
Its funny how most of you are getting so serious about things which don't know and searching knowledge in google.
I will going to be more and more interesting when the documents come up and all of you see whats going on.
It is fun also how every single "troll" here defends the scammer and also trying to make him look even good for his crimes.
Monday is pretty soon When this start,i hope the paranoia won't cloud your mind and you are going to ask for your lawyers for advices
Making yourself looking more intelligent over forum full of scammers and scammer defenders based on lack knowledge is so fun.
It is also fun how most of you think the laws on Europe are the same on every country.
Jurisdiction is something which i will need if you was going to be sued in your country,because i won't be able to do that just because my license will worth nothing there.
The court it self can claim,request and force everyone no matter which country it is because the all country's help each others to catch the criminals with their own instances.
Such as FBI on US,KGB on RUS,Interpol in EU and etc.
No matter what all of you saying,the law and the court have the last words,the trolls was never liked over internet because they are using to confuse most of the uncertain peoples who know nothing about they are talking about.
My client will keep silence no matter what all of you trolls keep spamming and trying to manipulate his mind.
None of you can manipulate me because i know the laws where i am,i have experience and i know what i am saying and doing.
When the documents become public lets see who is going to look ridiculous.
Goat,i love the way how you manipulate most of the peoples here,you seem to be a professional scammer with good plans for his scamms but don't forget you won't be able to say anything in the court but only your lawyers
Its nice you thinking me and my client are the same guy,not sure why you give me advantage with your foolishness but you will start to be so silent really soon
When my client is okay to share with you the offer,you will be informed via private message.
I am sorry to all of you who defend a professional scammer and lier,but we will prove that in court.
Everything else is trash talk and just empty words based on no proofs which means nothing to the law.
Take care.

[El Cabron]

Yes everyone has defended me. Esp theymos who posted my PMs and recovered posts that were lng removed.

anyway waiting for your offer. Cant wait mr law firm since 1989.

[El Cabron]

Btw what am i even being sued for? Do you even know?

[kellzy]

Hey I am from Belgium!!
If this is real, can I come watch ? I will do a write up for everyone

[augustocroppo]

Its funny how most of you are getting so serious about things which don't know and searching knowledge in google.

But, d00d, it was you which suggested to use Google search:

For those who don't understand the word "jurisdiction" i suggest all of you to either use some source as google or law firm to help you understand it.

So what is up, d00d? Before Google search was fine, but now it is not?

[El Cabron]

Its funny how most of you are getting so serious about things which don't know and searching knowledge in google.

But, d00d, it was you which suggested to use Google search:

For those who don't understand the word "jurisdiction" i suggest all of you to either use some source as google or law firm to help you understand it.

So what is up, d00d? Before Google search was fine, but now it is not?

He just be trolling