Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC

[Gurrty]

Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks, total 1106.81 BTC. He still owes me 4105.19 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for. Debt can be adjusted down by 364.84 BTC because I guess bitcoinica never made a refund. Still 3740.35 BTC in debt.

 

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44233

I start to post our contract. Goat has blocked my pm.

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png



This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.



Later same day after Goat wrote his working draft I Approved. Next day I transfered my 5212 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Goats GLBSE account. 5212 BTC is principal in this contract. 1106.81 BTC and 364.84 BTC is subtracted from that amount and is leaving 3740.35 BTC in debt to Gurrty. Please read following conversation;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/wnArqrf.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/3zdCSHO.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/B8G6odU.png

A period of 11 weeks follows when Goat pay me every week. We are posting some pms to each other and talking about some other things in good manner. 2012-09-08 I write him a pm asking why he has stopped paying me;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/TRatNU9.png

His response;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

After this I respond him with a pm telling him; "I regarded this contract as serious even if it is always with best intent. You need to do what is right." I write further about Christianity and how I am feeling. He respond "Different people owe me about $400,000 US and are not paying me."

After this I understand he is not willing to pay me any more on what we had agreed on. I am not happy and I don't post anything to Goat until 7 months later, 2013-04-11. I write that things is not fair and I have lost much money. I suggest our debt to be converted in USD with 2012-06-05 market price. He reject it. I will never suggest it anymore. I was kind and he should ha accepted it back then. Our contract is denominated in BTC and I demand it to be pay back in full.

Last post I wrote to Goat was 2014-04-21. I argument that he owe me very much BTC and I can be forced to contact FBI/SEC. He has now blocked my pm.

[Rawted]

Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC. This is a serious scam and he is playing rich with MY money. 2012 I invested a lot in his Tygrr-bot. I thought it sounded like a cool arbitrage bot. It was hard to go profit and a lesser amount was lost to exchange failure. The project was ended but much money was left. He chose to refund all invested with 90-100%. But ONE person owned more than 50% of all funded 10000 BTC, that was me. We made a contract with 1% interest, 1% payback each week. That would last in 100 weeks or almost two years and after that period his debt was ended to me. He payed me for 11 weeks, total 1106.81 BTC. He still owes me 4105.19 BTC in principle payment with zero interest accounted for. Debt can be adjusted down by 364.84 BTC because I guess bitcoinica never made a refund. Still 3740.35 BTC in debt.

 

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44233

I start to post our contract. Goat has blocked my pm.

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png



This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.



Later same day after Goat wrote his working draft I Approved. Next day I transfered my 5212 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Goats GLBSE account. 5212 BTC is principal in this contract. 1106.81 BTC and 364.84 BTC is subtracted from that amount and is leaving 3740.35 BTC in debt to Gurrty. Please read following conversation;

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/wnArqrf.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/3zdCSHO.png
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/B8G6odU.png

Please explain to me how a screenshot from June 2012 shows marketplace trust ratings, that weren't implemented here until May 2013?

one of your included screenshots -


The post Theymos made when marketplace trust was added - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0

Smells mighty fishy to me.

[Gurrty]

I did all screenshots today from my pm history. I don't understand how it is hard to understand? Those pm are from 2012 but I made screenshots today 2014 with all updated forum features. All pm are very legit and is in forum database or how it works.

I have never posted any public about this scam until now. It is very personally insulting and I hope to get support from the community.

[Rawted]

My mistake, i thought i read these were from 2012.

[smoothie]

I've asked a mod to verify if the PMs screenshots are indeed genuine and true. We will see.

[DiamondCardz]

My mistake, i thought i read these were from 2012.

On topic though, this is very interesting. Hopefully theymos can verify these PMs.

[theymos]

Use the "report to admin" feature on the PMs. Report them only to me.

[smoothie]

We'll see what happens.

[DiamondCardz]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

We've already been over this...he went into his PM inbox history and took a screenshot in 2014...

There wasn't even activity back then anyway. We will see, you can stop trying to blindly follow goat, as we will find out in time whether he is telling the truth or not.

[rhino34567]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

We've already been over this...he went into his PM inbox history and took a screenshot in 2014...

There wasn't even activity back then anyway. We will see, you can stop trying to blindly follow goat, as we will find out in time whether he is telling the truth or not.

Not "Blindly" following anyone. don't know goat or OP just asking Questions. Thank you

They did mention pretty much the same thing a couple of posts before you.
Anyway, is it even forum policy to confirm PMs?

[smoothie]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

We've already been over this...he went into his PM inbox history and took a screenshot in 2014...

There wasn't even activity back then anyway. We will see, you can stop trying to blindly follow goat, as we will find out in time whether he is telling the truth or not.

Not "Blindly" following anyone. don't know goat or OP just asking Questions. Thank you

They did mention pretty much the same thing a couple of posts before you.
Anyway, is it even forum policy to confirm PMs?

Not sure if it is a "policy" but in certain instances Theymos has confirmed PMs and I think exposed them also when concerning large scams/accusations.

If this is true then the amount at stake is quite worth while to look into. ~3700 BTC is like ~$1.7 Million at todays exchange rate.

[bigasic]

Maybe Im reading this wrong, but what about this statement?

"This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis."

Im sure Im reading it wrong, but thats not a very good statement to put into a legally binding contract.

[Gurrty]

Gurrty claims this all happened in 2012 but in his off topic Sob story posted April 10th,2013 about his life he never mentions anything about this. He talks about losing 15,000 bitcoins etc etc. but never mentions a bad investment . Here is a cut and paste of his post....Can't quote it because the thread is old.

I don't write how I lost my money. I just mention that I did took risks to grow my bitcoin. I should have been happy when I already had 15000 BTC and try to keep them safe in offline wallet and don't gamble with them. But that is too late to say now when all those 15000 BTC are gone. But Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC!

One day after I started that topic I was motivated to ask Goat if I could get some money back;

https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

His response;

https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Goat rejects my proposal even if I suggest our debt to be converted in USD with 2012-06-05 market price. I will not suggest it again!

I have reported some PMs to Theymos.

Maybe Im reading this wrong, but what about this statement?

"This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis."

Im sure Im reading it wrong, but thats not a very good statement to put into a legally binding contract.

Perhaps he tried to deceive me with such sentence. My opinion is that you can't just walk away with money that was mine. He is holding on to my money. He can buy thing that I can't buy. I was the owner of this debt. It was agreed that it should be payed back in 100 weeks with interest. Around this date, 2014-05-25, I should have got all my money back but I don't have.  

[smoothie]

Maybe Im reading this wrong, but what about this statement?

"This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis."

Im sure Im reading it wrong, but thats not a very good statement to put into a legally binding contract.

Most people know Goat has access to quite a bit of BTC, LTC, Gold, Silver, and Cash. So to not honor the agreement when he has funds like that would be a blatant scammer action.

Of course we first need to verify if the OP's claim is true.

[theymos]

These PMs are real:

This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.  
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

Hello Gurrty,

I am glad things are progressing. I will try and set up a google document for us to keep track of this. Give me some time to work on it.

I will start paying you for a full week next Tuesday (assuming you send the bonds by then).

Please send the bonds to Chaang-Noi on GLBSE.

Thank you.

I would like to confirm I got 5212 TyGrr-Bot bonds.

Thank you.

Hello Gurrty,

Having cash flow problems right now. The contract is not guaranteed and filled with best intent. However good news, in the next 3 or 4 days I should get 5000 BTC so maybe we can clear most of this soon.

~goat~

Hello Gurrty,

Different people owe me about $400,000 US and are not paying me. The pirate default has not helped me at all. I am taking legal action against one of the members (and if that will not work I will be going to the FBI) and as you know we are taking action against bitcoinica as well. Just about everyone in the bitcoin world has defaulted or has had their coin stolen.

I am trying very hard to recover not only your coin but mine as well. This last year of my being involved in bitcoin has cost me what I was able to save in 10 years. It is has been a disaster for everyone.

I am trying my best. BTW Matthew N. Wright who is now a scammer was the last who defaulted on the 5,000 BTC that I was going to give mostly to you. I don't know if I should sue him or write it off

Hello,

I have thought a lot about this a lot.

First of all my "good job" in Thailand is a respectable job but pays just over $12,000 USD a year. I need to support a family on this. However that has nothing to do with anything.

You asked me to get such a crazy rate and we made a contract. I acted in good faith and tried to meet what you demanded of me. In doing so I lost a lot more money than I would have myself. I do not think it is fair for you to ask me to bail you out. I acted honestly and in good faith.

At this point I would like you to explain to me why I should refund your investment. I would like you to please tell me what you think I did wrong.

Thank you.

[smoothie]

There you have it. Theymos has confirmed the PMs are real.

These PMs are real:

This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.  
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.

Hello Gurrty,

I am glad things are progressing. I will try and set up a google document for us to keep track of this. Give me some time to work on it.

I will start paying you for a full week next Tuesday (assuming you send the bonds by then).

Please send the bonds to Chaang-Noi on GLBSE.

Thank you.

I would like to confirm I got 5212 TyGrr-Bot bonds.

Thank you.

Hello Gurrty,

Having cash flow problems right now. The contract is not guaranteed and filled with best intent. However good news, in the next 3 or 4 days I should get 5000 BTC so maybe we can clear most of this soon.

~goat~

Hello Gurrty,

Different people owe me about $400,000 US and are not paying me. The pirate default has not helped me at all. I am taking legal action against one of the members (and if that will not work I will be going to the FBI) and as you know we are taking action against bitcoinica as well. Just about everyone in the bitcoin world has defaulted or has had their coin stolen.

I am trying very hard to recover not only your coin but mine as well. This last year of my being involved in bitcoin has cost me what I was able to save in 10 years. It is has been a disaster for everyone.

I am trying my best. BTW Matthew N. Wright who is now a scammer was the last who defaulted on the 5,000 BTC that I was going to give mostly to you. I don't know if I should sue him or write it off

Hello,

I have thought a lot about this a lot.

First of all my "good job" in Thailand is a respectable job but pays just over $12,000 USD a year. I need to support a family on this. However that has nothing to do with anything.

You asked me to get such a crazy rate and we made a contract. I acted in good faith and tried to meet what you demanded of me. In doing so I lost a lot more money than I would have myself. I do not think it is fair for you to ask me to bail you out. I acted honestly and in good faith.

At this point I would like you to explain to me why I should refund your investment. I would like you to please tell me what you think I did wrong.

Thank you.

[elux]

These PMs are real:

Gurrty, do you have money for a good lawyer? Do you have his real name and address?

[IANAL] Are there laws against usury in Thailand? A quick search turned up this:

Under the Civil and Commercial Code of Thailand, oral loan contracts are valid if they are valued under 2,000 baht and witnessed by at least one person.

Loans value over 2,000 baht must be in writing and signed by the borrower.

The borrower is responsible for all costs associated with the loan. The contract is enforceable only upon the delivery of the property to the borrower.

Interest rates that exceed 15% are considered usurious and will not be enforced by the courts. The courts reduce excessive rates to 15%.

You wouldn't be entitled to interest beyond 15% per year, but you're still owed the principal. Lawyer up. Consider booking plane tickets.

[smoothie]

These PMs are real:

Gurrty, do you have money for a good lawyer? Do you have his real name and address?

Are there laws against usury in Thailand? A quick search turned up this:

Under the Civil and Commercial Code of Thailand, oral loan contracts are valid if they are valued under 2,000 baht and witnessed by at least one person.

Loans value over 2,000 baht must be in writing and signed by the borrower.

The borrower is responsible for all costs associated with the loan. The contract is enforceable only upon the delivery of the property to the borrower.

Interest rates that exceed 15% are considered usurious and will not be enforced by the courts.

The courts reduce excessive rates to 15%. Additionally, “interest shall not bear interest.”

Compound interest is not an option. However, after a year, the interest may be added to the principal and then accrue further interest.

So, you wouldn't necessarily be entitled to interest beyond 15% per year, but you're still owed the principal.

If you can afford it: Lawyer up, and consider booking plane tickets.

Based on what has been confirmed the contract says "best effort". Well from the looks of it Goat has flashed his "wallet" all over this forum in many ways (i.e. Lambo etc.)...so he has the funds to repay this debt.

Will he? We will see. 

And Goat claimed I was a scammer. Oh the irony here.

[N12]

^ Indeed, pretty sure he now regrets flaunting his wealth.

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

[theymos]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

Maybe it would be reasonable to take the USD value of that BTC at the time of the contract and then apply the contract's compounding interest to this amount.

[smoothie]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

But remember the formula for activity does include time spent logged in over a course of a week or two. I forget the formula but it wasn't just directed only at # of posts.

This gets added to your activity permanently no matter how many posts you have.

[smoothie]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

I think this would be fair as well.

Partial meaning 40-60%...well that's just my view. This is quite a lot of funds to be owing other forum users.

Using the USD version if i'm not mistaken was denied by Goat back over a year ago when they were PMing.

[N12]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

But remember the formula for activity does include time spent logged in over a course of a week or two.

This gets added to your activity permanently no matter how many posts you have.

No, this is tied to how many posts you make in a particular week, and for how many weeks. If you delete posts, then you will have possibly less posts than 14 per week.

"time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)/"

[smoothie]

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

But remember the formula for activity does include time spent logged in over a course of a week or two.

This gets added to your activity permanently no matter how many posts you have.

No, this is tied to how many posts you make in a particular week, and for how many weeks. If you delete posts, then you will have possibly less posts than 14 per week.

"time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)/"

Okay my bad. I forgot the formula. Could he not have left a single post in a two-week period in tact to allow for this not to change?

The point is Theymos verified the PMs. So the screenshots and what they show are irrelevant at this point as the CONTENT of the PMs have been verified to be genuine.

[elux]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort" (...)

I think any court would find the terms of the contract insane enough to make the whole thing null and void.

And also that Goat owes Gurrty the full principal, if Gurrty can establish that he sent the money.


In a nutshell: If it can be established that you gave me a million dollars according to some completely insane contract, and the contract is found to be invalid... I don't get to keep the million.

[smoothie]

^ Indeed, pretty sure he now regrets flaunting his wealth.

This image https://i.imgur.com/n2N9ZdM.png of the msg Supposedly  shows goats activity at 840 back in 06/06/2012 and today his activity is 840.  How is this possible? in two years goat has been on enough to make his activity level move since then hasn't he?

this photo shop?

He deleted a lot of his own posts on this forum. That should decrease activity.

Just because he delete his posts doesn't mean Theymos doesn't have a copy of it somewhere on his servers.

This may come in handy should he disappear etc.

[theymos]

I think any court would find the terms of the contract insane enough to make the whole thing null and void.

And also that Goat owes Gurrty the full principal, if Gurrty can establish that he sent the money.


In a nutshell: If it can be established that you gave me a million dollars according to some completely insane contract, and the contract is found to be invalid... I don't get to keep the million.

A court would also interpret the principal in terms of fiat value at the time.

It's not reasonable to expect Goat to pay millions of dollars because he stupidly lost a few thousand dollars years ago. At the same time, Gurrty was denied the chance to maybe make lots of money by holding onto the BTC, so he deserves more than just the principal IMO. But not the full BTC amount. (What are the chances that Gurrty would have held onto this BTC until now if he was so careless as to loan it to Goat?)

[smoothie]

I think any court would find the terms of the contract insane enough to make the whole thing null and void.

And also that Goat owes Gurrty the full principal, if Gurrty can establish that he sent the money.


In a nutshell: If it can be established that you gave me a million dollars according to some completely insane contract, and the contract is found to be invalid... I don't get to keep the million.

A court would also interpret the principal in terms of fiat value at the time.

It's not reasonable to expect Goat to pay millions of dollars because he stupidly lost a few thousand dollars years ago. At the same time, Gurrty was denied the chance to maybe make lots of money by holding onto the BTC, so he deserves more than just the principal IMO. But not the full BTC amount. (What are the chances that Gurrty would have held onto this BTC until now if he was so careless as to loan it to Goat?)

Of course asking him to pay the full amount in BTC may be unreasonable but it isnt to expect him to pay a portion of the BTC as the repayment was to be over 100 weeks. In that time OP would have made quite a bit of $ too. That needs to be considered as well.

[El Cabron]

To save you all time because most of this thread is trolling and off topic here is my last post and how it was resolved. Thx

@ gurrty

You clearly do not understand the contract but that is not my problem. I was willing to work with you in 2013 because I felt sorry for you and I know how it is to fall on hard times. However you responded to my polite question a year later and did so with name calling and threats. At this point in time you can take the coin from theymos or sue me directly. I have talked to my lawyer about this and the contract will be tossed out and you would end up owing me the BTC that I sent you, and I would have to return the assets. If this is the path you want to take fine. I also want to point out that in terms of fiat you have gained more than $500,000 than you invested. No court is going to have sympathy for you. If you can even find a court that is willing to accept the case, we are ready.

@ theymos

I still do not agree that gurrty should get anything but since you are a GLBSE owner, and you hold the GLBSE coins even if I wanted to stop you there is nothing I could do. I guess it is just lucky for Gurrty you are so understanding.

When you give back the coins in the terms of fiat he invested to gurrty will you please give the rest of us back our coins in the terms of fiat invested. You have a huge amount of GLBSE coins that you did not earn. Please refund us, please do not keep the rest of the coins for yourself.


@ smoothie

We all know Goat ran a Pirate Pass Through that assisted PirateAt40's ponzi scheme

At the personal request of theymos. theymos wanted this listed on GLBSE. At the time I assumed it was just to get more GLBSE fees but it seems now it was much more than that. theymos by far was the largest person who "assisted" Pirate. I was trying to get favor with theymos at the time however in the end I think he abused my trust. theymos and GLBSE were the ones who took a huge amount of profit because of fees (read the GLBSE logs). theymos has also admitted he profited from this investment directly and admitted he was reading Pirates personal messages. You want to bring up this topic? Fine, talk about it all you will.

Question wasn't directed at you.

Half the posts in this thread are from you and most of them are off topic. Yet when I answer your question in a correct and polite way you tell me to fuck off? What is wrong with you? If the question was a secret then use the PM system! (Oh wait, you can not even do that, theymos will still post PMs in public.)

You are way out of line and have nothing to do with anything in this thread.  All you have done is expressed your love for theymos and your hate for me. Sadly however for you, all you have done is exposed theymos to issues that he banned me before for talking about. I'm sure he is loving you right now. Anyway we have all spent too much time with you and people like you are why this forum has turned to shit. You are on ignore and I will be spending a whole lot less time on this forum. The trolls win!


@ everyone else.   Peace and love, I will be here from time to time (assuming I do not get banned) so send me a PM if you wish. I will also be around but every time I come to this forum I just feel negativity. Catch ya around.

Below this is my first post in this thread.

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

Maybe it would be reasonable to take the USD value of that BTC at the time of the contract and then apply the contract's compounding interest to this amount.

I would like to say Theymos knows a bit more about this situation than the average person. He had access to info the public does not have.

Gurrty left out some of the PMs. He failed to include the ones where he black mailed me and threatened me. Because I do not respond to extortion or blackmail I blocked his PMs just recently. Because of his threats all reasonable options are no longer on the table.

Everyone knows I am trusted and honest when it comes to business and I can be very reasonable. However this guy has issues and crossed the line on how to deal with things. Because this is now potentially a  court or legal matter I will not really say anything. Since he moved it in that direction I will be happy to meet him in court where as he knew before there were other options. He has no real claim and is just upset that I ended up with some BTC in my pocket. If it were not for AM and LTC I would be much worse off than Gurrty here. Everyone knows how painful it was for me to pay off my debts after that disaster default. I could have just walked away like everyone else but I did not. I am not a scammer.

Gurrty is usury a crime in France? What about extortion?

[smoothie]

Well I guess Theymos may need to open up the PM history between both users.

Goat it was easy to take the money from that investor (as well as many others) but repaying was tough huh?

This reminds me of HashFast. They did the same thing. lol

Now you are trying to find a way out of the debt. Not surprising.

Did you ever repay all of your Pirate Pass Through investors? ...something tells me you didn't.

Hence you haven't paid all of your debts.

Finding a loop hole out of contracts is the scummy way to do business.

1. Borrow money from investor and promise to pay back loan.

2. Claim hard times are upon you.

3. Delay on repayment after an agreement has been reached.

4. Investor gets frustrated with you because of lack of action on your part and attempts to get you to repay by saying anything and everything (? who knows what was said).

5. You claim that because he said certain things..."now I don't need to repay that debt because the investor said X, Y, and Z."

 

[Gurrty]

I am more than happy to post my last post I sent to Goat 2014-04-21;

https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

His response;

https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

Who is blackmailing? Goat wrote; "I think we should meet in person. When can you get here?"

Scary...

I have reported Three more PMs to theymos.

[El Cabron]

Smoothie you are as ignorant as you are a troll. I see why you are the most hated/ignored person on this forum.

However since I have been assured this is both a court and legal matter by OP I suspect that OP is just trying to get some information so he can make a claim. Something if he really had a claim he would not need to do.

Since OP wants to take this to court let us take it to court. I will be happy to talk about this freely once it is finished. I have a zero policy against extortion.  

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time. I will let you know if/when however OP does take this to court. My lawyer was informed once the threats started to come in and we are ready.

[smoothie]

Smoothie you are as ignorant as you are a troll. I see why you are the most hated/ignored person on this forum.

However since I have been assured this is both a court and legal matter by OP I suspect that OP is just trying to get some information so he can make a claim. Something if he really had a claim he would not need to do.

Since OP wants to take this to court let us take it to court. I will be happy to talk about this freely once it is finished. I have a zero policy against extortion.  

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time. I will let you know if/when however OP does take this to court. My lawyer was informed once the threats started to come in and we are ready.

Oh and how were you able to afford an attorney? Let me guess...ding ding ding...investors' funds!

Keep the name calling coming. It shows how mature you are.  

[smoothie]

Smoothie you are as ignorant as you are a troll. I see why you are the most hated/ignored person on this forum.

However since I have been assured this is both a court and legal matter by OP I suspect that OP is just trying to get some information so he can make a claim. Something if he really had a claim he would not need to do.

Since OP wants to take this to court let us take it to court. I will be happy to talk about this freely once it is finished. I have a zero policy against extortion.  

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time. I will let you know if/when however OP does take this to court. My lawyer was informed once the threats started to come in and we are ready.

What threat was that?

Him saying "Should he contact the SEC/FBI"?

[rhino34567]

Gurrty shouldn't have brought up the court issue. There was still a chance of this being negotiated and settled out of court avoiding all unnecessary expenses. That's all I can really say since there is probably a long conversation the public is not aware of.

[N12]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

[smoothie]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

Oh Goat? Care to comment?

Oh wait likely he doesn't think any of us should know.

Theymos may need to step in here.

[El Cabron]

Gurrty shouldn't have brought up the court issue. There was still a chance of this being negotiated and settled out of court avoiding all unnecessary expenses. That's all I can really say since there is probably a long conversation the public is not aware of.

Yes. Not all of the PMs have been posted and not all of the communication was done over the forum. If everything was published most people here would find that I acted in a very reasonable way. However it is now a matter for the courts and LEA as OP wants.

If Gurrty thinks that his claims will tarnish my image he has failed. The people who do not like me (smoothy and blits)will still not like me, the people who trust me will still trust me. Honestly I think Gurrty is just bluffing and he is the only one who has acted in an illegal way here. He knows if we go to court everything will come out. Everyone will see what he agreed to do and what he threatened to do when it did not go his way.

I do know that libel is illegal in both France and Thailand. I'm calling his bluff, we will see what he will do. Will he take action like he said he would or just make half baked claims on a forum. Pretty sure I know the answer to this.

[smoothie]

Gurrty shouldn't have brought up the court issue. There was still a chance of this being negotiated and settled out of court avoiding all unnecessary expenses. That's all I can really say since there is probably a long conversation the public is not aware of.

Yes. Not all of the PMs have been posted and not all of the communication was done over the forum. If everything was published most people here would find that I acted in a very reasonable way. However it is now a matter for the courts and LEA as OP wants.

If Gurrty thinks that his claims will tarnish my image he has failed. The people who do not like me (smoothy and blits)will still not like me, the people who trust me will still trust me. Honestly I think Gurrty is just bluffing and he is the only one who has acted in an illegal way here. He knows if we go to court everything will come out. Everyone will see what he agreed to do and what he threatened to do when it did not go his way.

I do know that libel is illegal in both France and Thailand. I'm calling his bluff, we will see what he will do. Will he take action like he said he would or just make half baked claims on a forum. Pretty sure I know the answer to this.

I suppose that assisting the operator of a ponzi scheme (PirateAt40) would not be considered "illegal" in your world right?

It is hard not to notice how Goat's attitude has changed ever since he has amassed his fortune. Prior to that he was all "humble" and "can you let me borrow X coins?".

In any case this should be a good indicator not to lend BTC to Goat. His track record speaks for itself. I believe I compiled that track record somewhere....

[Gurrty]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

When Goat wrote about problems 2012-09-08 this happens;

Goat 2012-09-08
https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

Gurrty 2012-09-14
https://i.imgur.com/fB3hEPe.png

Goat 2012-09-15
https://i.imgur.com/LOzAXvC.png

Gurrty 2013-04-11
https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

Goat 2013-04-11 and 2013-05-24
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Gurrty 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

Goat 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

All included.

[smoothie]

@OP why did it take you so long to respond to his message?

Was it like 12 months between PMs between you two?

[Gurrty]

@OP why did it take you so long to respond to his message?

Was it like 12 months between PMs between you two?

Yes it is two long periods when I don't write anything to Goat. First between 2012-09-14 to 2013-04-11. Second between 2013-04-11 to 2014-04-21.

I didn't know what to say to get my money back. Sometimes i forgot about it. But this is not forgotten. Goat should be honest and pay back my BTC.

[WhatsBitcoin]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

When Goat wrote about problems 2012-09-08 this happens;

Goat 2012-09-08
https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

Gurrty 2012-09-14
https://i.imgur.com/fB3hEPe.png

Goat 2012-09-15
https://i.imgur.com/LOzAXvC.png

Gurrty 2013-04-11
https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

Goat 2013-04-11 and 2013-05-24
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Gurrty 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

Goat 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

All included.

To Gurty,
Goat sees that you most likely are young and against his lawyer will never win anything, that is why he has been so stubborn on paying off any debt owed to you. I would seriously stop this conversation and present this to a top lawyer and tell him you'll give him 50% of whatever you win. If the top lawyer where you live doesn't take you seriously go to as many lawyers as possible. Someone will take your case I'm sure. You cannot do this alone.

To Smoothie,
It is not your business here seriously. Stop trying to be a middleman, you are a simple and meaningless person on a forum. There are people with degrees and backgrounds who settle disputes between two parties.

Just stop with the trolling, fake police act, mediator or whatever it is your intentions are here.

[El Cabron]

And there we go. A reasonable question was asked and it was ignored for a year until name calling and threats.

Someone was being reasonable and then someone responded in an unreasonable way. Simple as that.

[WhatsBitcoin]

And there we go. A reasonable question was asked and it was ignored for a year until name calling and threats.

Someone was being reasonable and then someone responded in an unreasonable way. Simple as that.

Libel does not equal millions of dollars in settlement. Sure you'll win 5k but you're looking at millions owed as you have flashed your cash around all the time here. Just my two cents. Will not be posting here again.

Gurty you need a lawyer now. Get one immediately and a good one.
If what you have posted is the entirety of the case you have a very strong case against him with the help of a strong lawyer.

[El Cabron]

@ WhatsBitcoin, over all good advice but the question here is what debt is owed if anything. Gurrty was unable for a year to respond to why he thought he was owed anything.

He then responded with "Hello Scammer..."

If Gurrty would have been able to explain in a reasonable way why there was a debt owed it would have been repaid. However it seems that he does not want to talk this out and he wants to take a different path. Fine, let him do it.

Also why do you think he has such a strong legal case esp if you suspect lawyers will not take him seriously? You do not even know the foundation of this. Are you a lawyer? I highly doubt it. You should take the advice you gave smoothie and let Gurrty do what he will.

[Oldminer]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

[N12]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

[El Cabron]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

Coming from someone who has a history of scamming (see his trust feedback). This is revenge for me exposing your scamming? When the people who attack me are people like smoothie the troll and scammers like you I really do not give a fuck.

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

[smoothie]

If the FBI/SEC thing is really the "threat", then it came two years after he should have been paid, and it's more than a fair reaction. Why wasn't he paid in those two years, even though Goat obviously had the means to do so?

What happened between https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png and https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png If nothing happened, then WHY?

When Goat wrote about problems 2012-09-08 this happens;

Goat 2012-09-08
https://i.imgur.com/n1PtwQK.png

Gurrty 2012-09-14
https://i.imgur.com/fB3hEPe.png

Goat 2012-09-15
https://i.imgur.com/LOzAXvC.png

Gurrty 2013-04-11
https://i.imgur.com/puWBax0.png

Goat 2013-04-11 and 2013-05-24
https://i.imgur.com/7vaoHp3.png

Gurrty 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

Goat 2014-04-21
https://i.imgur.com/QsTwelS.png

All included.

To Gurty,
Goat sees that you most likely are young and against his lawyer will never win anything, that is why he has been so stubborn on paying off any debt owed to you. I would seriously stop this conversation and present this to a top lawyer and tell him you'll give him 50% of whatever you win. If the top lawyer where you live doesn't take you seriously go to as many lawyers as possible. Someone will take your case I'm sure. You cannot do this alone.

To Smoothie,
It is not your business here seriously. Stop trying to be a middleman, you are a simple and meaningless person on a forum. There are people with degrees and backgrounds who settle disputes between two parties.

Just stop with the trolling, fake police act, mediator or whatever it is your intentions are here.

Excuse me but are you the forum police?

I'm asking reasonable questions. In fact it was I who got Theymos to open up the PMs and verify all of this.

Nice try to get me to do what you think I should do. News Flash: It doesn't work that way.  

[El Cabron]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

     It is clear and the amount is 0 as far as I can tell. If Gurrty thinks differently than he can take it to the LEA or the courts as he wishes. I am no longer willing to talk this out with him. I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy. He is no longer willing to let that happen.

[Oldminer]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

Coming from someone who has a history of scamming (see his trust feedback). This is revenge for me exposing your scamming? When the people who attack me are people like smoothie the troll and scammers like you I really do not give a fuck.

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

History? What you and a few of your cronies give me neg trust for supporting someone with a casino that was in competition with you & that makes me and gives me a history as a scammer?? You and your low life mates simply abused the neg trust 'system' for your own gain.

LOL..your a loser and a dishonest, slanderous prick and karma's an even bigger bitch. Deal with it.

p.s. take a look at your own trust feedback rating when you get time between counting your filthy lucre...dipshit.

[smoothie]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

Goat believes:

1. If his investor didn't answer his question then he doesn't owe him the money that was lent to him.

2. Saying something the other party does't like automatically negates a contract.


lol

[Puppet]

Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

Nope, goat was "investing" other people's bitcoins in pirate, and pocketing a fee. Regardless, if he wasted his own money with pirate too (which I doubt), that is not Gurrty's problem, no more than its Goat's problem how  Gurrty lost his entire fortune.

Anyway I have a suggestion for you. The list of VIP's that donated 50BTC to this forum reads almost like a "who's who" of bitcoin scammers. zhoutong, pirateat40, Graet,  imsaguy, TradeFortress, cryptoxchange..  Why dont you do your part, and refund Goat's 50BTC to Gurrty, and strip Goat of his VIP privileges?  At least it would be some small restitution to Gurrty,  it would show you do not want to be paid with stolen money and scammers can not buy protection from you with their stolen money, and if Goat wants to regain his VIP status, let him cough up the coins himself.

[smoothie]

Goat has to be probably the most untrustworthy, slanderous, disreputable low life on this forum, so the OP doesnt surprise me at all

Coming from someone who has a history of scamming (see his trust feedback). This is revenge for me exposing your scamming? When the people who attack me are people like smoothie the troll and scammers like you I really do not give a fuck.

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

lol as if you never TROLLED, LIED, OR MISLED?

This is funnier than I thought.

"I was stacking BTC in 2010" ~ Goat. 

[El Cabron]

a casino that was in competition with you

I have never owned or invested in a casino. I reported your scamming as a service to the community, not to profit. Also clearly I was not the only one who caught you scamming.

[smoothie]

So the problem is that he didn't reply to your insolence "why" exactly you owe him any money? It seems well established in the prior conversation why and how much. He didn't need to respond. It is you who needed to do something, and that was honor the contract.

If this is the entirety of it, then it's scammier than I even thought.

     It is clear and the amount is 0 as far as I can tell. If Gurrty thinks differently than he can take it to the LEA or the courts as he wishes. I am no longer willing to talk this out with him. I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy. He is no longer willing to let that happen.

Goat now going to hide behind his attorney(s) that he paid for with investor funds that should have went back to his investors way back when.

HashFast-style.  

[Oldminer]

a casino that was in competition with you

I have never owned or invested in a casino. I reported your scamming as a service to the community, not to profit. Also clearly I was not the only one who caught you scamming.

Your a liar but I won't continue & give you the satisfaction of drawing the attention to me and away from yourself. Do continue all... 

[El Cabron]

Nope, goat was

Hi p4man. Nice to see you know everything I was doing.  

[N12]

To sum up, Goat for some reason goes from this, where he acknowledges the debt and his intent to repay it,



To this, upon Gurrty reminding him of his debt and exact details more than half a year later:



Gurrty doesn't respond to this inconceivable reply where suddenly, Goat no longer acknowledges any debt. After almost two years of no repayment, he decides to be more aggressive in his approach and speak of FBI and SEC. Suddenly, Goat feels "blackmailed" and severs contact.

Nice.

[El Cabron]

@Blitz, think you missed a few steps and failed to understand what the "debt" is based on. Contracts are there for a reason. I do not believe Gurrty even thinks he is owed anything. He knew what he was doing and is just trying to get some coin cuz I got lucky on AM and LTC. He thought he could scare me with the FBI or whatever, well that backfired on him. He thought it would be a quick way to make a buck, not so...

He does not have the ability to explain how I violated the contract, if his lawyer can do so, then fine. We will do it his way.

[N12]

I read through the contract, I don't understand how you can owe him nothing given you reportedly didn't pay anything back. It says it's only void after 100 payments, and that repayment will take 100 weeks. And then: "If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid."

You were and are able to pay at least partially, so from all that we know, it seems to me that you didn't honor your contract.

Anyone care to explain if I overlooked something?

[bitdragon]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

[El Cabron]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Do you not think it was reasonable of me to ask why he thought he was owed anything when the contract is pretty clear that he is owed nothing? I have been wrong in the past and if he could tell me how I was wrong the issue would have been solved.

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

I have not lasted years on this forum doing up to and including $1,000,000 deals without being reasonable and honest. I never scammed and did a runner like so many.

If you think my blocking his PMs after he called me names and what not was unreasonable then I guess we will have to disagree on that. Gurrty now wants to work this out in the courts and we will do so. He has that right and I am not going to stop him in anyway.

[bitdragon]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Do you not think it was reasonable of me to ask why he thought he was owed anything when the contract is pretty clear that he is owed nothing? I have been wrong in the past and if he could tell me how I was wrong the issue would have been solved.

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

I have not lasted years on this forum doing up to and including $1,000,000 deals without being reasonable and honest. I never scammed and did a runner like so many.

If you think my blocking his PMs after he called me names and what not was unreasonable then I guess we will have to disagree on that. Gurrty now wants to work this out in the courts and we will do so. He has that right and I am not going to stop him in anyway.

If there is one person on this forum that throws the word Lawyer around left and right to no end, that would be you.
Also, to be fair, it seems he said "Should I" rather than a firm commitment and you jumped on that eagerly.
And i will answer your question indeed. I do find it unreasonable you ask him why he was owed anything. If it is clear on your mind that he is owed nothing, the burden is on you to demonstrate that. Specifically, that you run into hard times is not particularly relevant from his point of view as to why he is owed nothing. It is pertinent as to why he has not received most of the repayment though.
Your hard times, respectable job and that most people in Bitcoin land lost money does not do a good job of supporting the claim he is owed nothing but solely why he has not received the repayment.

Lastly, coming up with reasons and citing difficulties such as cash flow problems directly implies you owe him something in the first place.

[El Cabron]

the burden is on you to demonstrate that.

I disagree but anyway it was made clear years ago. Oh did he not post that part yet?

Then years later when he asks only for fiat (admitting he was owed nothing more than that, if even that) I asked why as it had already been made clear that nothing was owed.

Do you guys even know what he paid me in? Why does he just not ask for 100% refund? The reason why is if he did that he would not get any fiat or BTC! So why should I give him BTC or Fiat? Reasonable questions should get reasonable answers.

You guys know the half he wants you to know. You want to judge me on that, fine. Do not do business with me.

Honestly I should have blocked this guy years ago and this thread is a waste of my time.

Gurrty can do what Gurrty wants to do.

[smoothie]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

Then Goat you should post what is missing in the communication you are speaking of.

Is this going to be one of those times where you claim something and can't back it up with proof?

Prove it. lol 

You want people to take you seriously yet you make claims and then don't back them up with hard evidence.

[smoothie]

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Do you not think it was reasonable of me to ask why he thought he was owed anything when the contract is pretty clear that he is owed nothing? I have been wrong in the past and if he could tell me how I was wrong the issue would have been solved.

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

I have not lasted years on this forum doing up to and including $1,000,000 deals without being reasonable and honest. I never scammed and did a runner like so many.

If you think my blocking his PMs after he called me names and what not was unreasonable then I guess we will have to disagree on that. Gurrty now wants to work this out in the courts and we will do so. He has that right and I am not going to stop him in anyway.

If there is one person on this forum that throws the word Lawyer around left and right to no end, that would be you.
Also, to be fair, it seems he said "Should I" rather than a firm commitment and you jumped on that eagerly.
And i will answer your question indeed. I do find it unreasonable you ask him why he was owed anything. If it is clear on your mind that he is owed nothing, the burden is on you to demonstrate that. Specifically, that you run into hard times is not particularly relevant from his point of view as to why he is owed nothing. It is pertinent as to why he has not received most of the repayment though.
Your hard times, respectable job and that most people in Bitcoin land lost money does not do a good job of supporting the claim he is owed nothing but solely why he has not received the repayment.

Lastly, coming up with reasons and citing difficulties such as cash flow problems directly implies you owe him something in the first place.

It should be noted that Goat has a reputation of playing the victim card very passionately. Anything he can twist in his favor he will try to make others believe he is on the short end of the stick.

I've seen it on this forum so many times. It is getting old.

[smoothie]

the burden is on you to demonstrate that.

I disagree but anyway it was made clear years ago. Oh did he not post that part yet?

Then years later when he asks only for fiat (admitting he was owed nothing more than that, if even that) I asked why as it had already been made clear that nothing was owed.

Do you guys even know what he paid me in? Why does he just not ask for 100% refund? The reason why is if he did that he would not get any fiat or BTC! So why should I give him BTC or Fiat? Reasonable questions should get reasonable answers.

You guys know the half he wants you to know. You want to judge me on that, fine. Do not do business with me.

Honestly I should have blocked this guy years ago and this thread is a waste of my time.

Gurrty can do what Gurrty wants to do.

Your wordy parables are quite cute but tend to make you look to divert attention away from yourself.

This is another tactic you like to impose on your opposition.

If this thread is truly a waste of your time why are you posting in it at all?

Implicitly your actions speak louder than anything you can say.

[El Cabron]

Prove it.

You want people to take you seriously yet you make claims and then don't back them up with hard evidence.

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

I do not want people to take me seriously. People will do what they want to do. Scammers and trolls are taking this and trying to make a big deal of it.

Am I your victim smoothie? Your attacks are so often they have lost all meaning. You keep trying and keep failing.

With so many people like you that hate me (or is it a man crush?) and spend so much effort trying to find some dirt on me I think it has the opposite effect of your intent.

[N12]

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

You know, he did have theymos verifying the authenticity of the PMs. What else can we expect him to prove?

[El Cabron]

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

You know, he did have theymos verifying the authenticity of the PMs. What else can we expect him to prove?

That I owe him BTC, or that the contract was not followed correctly.

He is claiming he is owed 3740.35 BTC. Just because Theymos said some PMs were real does not mean his claim is correct.

Is this troll bait or are you being serious? I honestly can not tell.

[bitdragon]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

[smoothie]

Prove it.

You want people to take you seriously yet you make claims and then don't back them up with hard evidence.

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

I do not want people to take me seriously. People will do what they want to do. Scammers and trolls are taking this and trying to make a big deal of it.

Am I your victim smoothie? Your attacks are so often they have lost all meaning. You keep trying and keep failing.

With so many people like you that hate me (or is it a man crush?) and spend so much effort trying to find some dirt on me I think it has the opposite effect of your intent.

Sometimes having many people confirm things you might not see about yourself may be a clear sign that what they see is true and you are just in denial.

You have taken out so many loans on this forum and done many shady deals (including PPT) that it isn't surprising that one of your creditors is wanting you to pay up.

Theymos even confirmed the PMs. To me (theymos and others), the context of those PMs show that you have the burden of proof to disprove your claim of not owing anything to the OP.

Your own words in the contract/PMs even give the impression that you felt and knew you owed something, even though now you claim you don't.

It's no wonder why you deleted so many of your posts....time to clean up after yourself eh? lol

Man crush? lol weren't you just the other day offering and I declined your offer?

Hint: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623189.msg6906972#msg6906972   

sigh... this is over your head yet again...  i have to assume you have some sort of learning disability. im shocked you have gotten this far in life the way you act. let me guess govt hand outs? i hate that i have to support people like you but whatever it is what it is.

no one really cares if you thought ripple was a bad idea. everyone who does not like premined coins does not like ripple. the point was asking someone who is semi anon to prove some meaningless thing on the internet!

i can prove all of my claims but why would i do so just cuz you demand it? who the fuck are you to demand personal information from me? you are a troll. you are scum. just about the only person in btcland who is more hated than you is matthew n wright. i know you are trying to be the most ignored and thus hated person and you think that is really cool (im sure it is your disability again) but that is not what normal people spend their time doing. tehy get a job and work or do something else productive.

im sure you will never learn and think that i am the one who is out of place here but whatever. you really should grow the fuck up, but don't do it to fast, cuz if you realize what a douche you are too quickly you just might top yourself.

now fuck off

[El Cabron]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

Nice try but not going to happen. I owe you nothing and I could careless what you think of me.

Even if things were not missing there is enough there to see nothing is owed, esp not 3740.35 BTC.

[smoothie]

Shocked that no one (esp you) has asked OP to prove anything. He is after all, OP.

You know, he did have theymos verifying the authenticity of the PMs. What else can we expect him to prove?

That I owe him BTC, or that the contract was not followed correctly.

He is claiming he is owed 3740.35 BTC. Just because Theymos said some PMs were real does not mean his claim is correct.

Is this troll bait or are you being serious? I honestly can not tell.

You claim that the OP did not cite all of your communications that are relevant.

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Still waiting for the other communication you have claimed is missing.

[El Cabron]

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Yeah, nice try. This seems to be over your head, I owe you nothing. You will get nothing.

[smoothie]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

Nice try but not going to happen. I owe you nothing and I could careless what you think of me.

Even if things were not missing there is enough there to see nothing is owed, esp not 3740.35 BTC.

Theymos tends to see it differently. That should tell you something.

But of course you can't get a clue. 

[smoothie]

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Yeah, nice try. This seems to be over your head, I owe you nothing. You will get nothing.

Right you owe me nothing...but it appears you may owe the OP something.

LOL

I thought replying to this thread was a waste of your time yet you still persist...lol 

Obviously that went over your head...

[MRKLYE]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

[El Cabron]

OP has proven his part and you claim significant parts are missing. Thusly, it is expected and it is your turn to back up your claim. Nothing more and nothing less.

Nice try but not going to happen. I owe you nothing and I could careless what you think of me.

Even if things were not missing there is enough there to see nothing is owed, esp not 3740.35 BTC.

Theymos tends to see it differently. That should tell you something.

But of course you can't get a clue. 

Theymos made it clear that he did not think 3740.35 was owed. Theymos also does not have all of the information so really it is moot anyway. He might think all or nothing is owed if he had all of the information.

Gurrty does not even think 3740.35 is owed he is just doing this out of spite, see his PMs. Let him do what he will do and if you want to work with him, best of luck!

You can just keep on doing what you do, it is not exactly making you look like a great fellow, but I doubt you care.

[smoothie]

Gurrty left out some of the PMs. He failed to include the ones where he black mailed me and threatened me.

PM screenshot:

https://i.imgur.com/hBOXnBo.png

I see no reason why I should talk about this any more at this time.

Not all of the PMs have been posted and not all of the communication was done over the forum.

A reasonable question was asked and it was ignored for a year until name calling and threats.

Someone was being reasonable and then someone responded in an unreasonable way. Simple as that.

^ Which means if your creditor says the wrong thing your debt is now 0.

He then responded with "Hello Scammer..."

I am an honest and reasonable person. Deal with it.

I was willing to be reasonable and work this out so we all could be happy.

Could you kindly point out to me where this is apparent?

Also keep in mind not all of the communication has been posted. He has been very selective in what he has posted.

Then Goat you should post what is missing in the communication you are speaking of.

Yet you still haven't posted things into this supposed "context" you are claiming exists.

Yeah, nice try. This seems to be over your head, I owe you nothing. You will get nothing.

Right you owe me nothing...but it appears you may owe the OP something.

I thought replying to this thread was a waste of your time yet you still persist...lol 

Obviously that went over your head...

[smoothie]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

That says something when you get a VIP to change their username just to attempt to troll you.

I'm flattered lol....

It's f*cking hilarious he would put that as his username.

Goat, thanks but no thanks. We've already been over this when you offered yourself to me the other day.

Sorry I don't swing that way. 

[El Cabron]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

That says something when you get a VIP to change their username just to attempt to troll you.

I'm flattered lol....

yes, i know this is the type of attention you seek and you do get a sexual kick out of it.

you are a sick and twisted troll but at least you are predictable.

[smoothie]

ANyone else seeing goat's name as "smoothis man crush"?

Lmfao

That says something when you get a VIP to change their username just to attempt to troll you.

I'm flattered lol....

you are predictable.

Likewise so are you Goat.

Divert attention

Play the Victim

talk about Attorneys

Withhold information

Attempt to troll

Always making excuses

[MRKLYE]

*grabs popcorn*

Lovers quarrel?

[El Cabron]

*grabs popcorn*

Lovers quarrel?

yeah, it seems that way. lol

[smoothie]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

[El Cabron]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

[bitdragon]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Something like this ?
"Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt."
https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png

[Shallow]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Stop changing your story lol 

[tarmi]

the only question here is whether Goat is a scammer or not.

[kuusj98]

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

"as he did not give me BTC", what the hell did he give you then?
Please stop twisting everything around, from everything i've read here I can clearly see that you owe OP a certain number of BTC as stated in the original contract (as seen in the PM's which are the proof of this), and that you are not paying it, which I think makes you a thief and not even a small one.

[smoothie]

Goat is playing on a technicality on what was lent to him.

The problem with his head-fake here is that the contract states the conversion rate of bonds to BTC.

Pretty pathetic attempt to once again divert away from the very core issue....your debt.

[smoothie]

he gave you your

Let's remember this thread isn't about me....

So goat are you going to pay?

Are you going to keep diverting attention away from the supposed contract and communication you've had with the OP?

Will you ignore everyone's logical questions that point to the same conclusion: That you owe OP something of value in terms of his investment with you.

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?





I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Something like this ?
"Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt."
https://i.imgur.com/llYRElK.png

Supposedly goat wrote the contract and yet he fails to understand what is going on.

So funny.  

Off-Topic: "trolls's"?? ...why not "trolls's's's's's's"?

lol nice punctuation usage.

[El Cabron]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

[smoothie]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

[El Cabron]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

[elux]

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?

Sounds good.

I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Explain... Oh,

Goat is playing on a technicality on what was lent to him.

The problem with his head-fake here is that the contract states the conversion rate of bonds to BTC.

Goat, are you trying to pull a "Matthew Neill Wright" on Gurrty here? 

[El Cabron]

If I give op 100 percent of the btc he gave me to get this contract would you be happy?

Sounds good.

I will save you the time as it is a trick question as he did not give me btc. You fail to understand what is goin on.

Explain... Oh,

Goat is playing on a technicality on what was lent to him.

The problem with his head-fake here is that the contract states the conversion rate of bonds to BTC.

Goat, are you trying to pull a "Matthew Neill Wright" on Gurrty here? 

No. The debt was priced in BTC to make it easy to track. He could have taken BTC right away like everyone else but he wanted 1% a week plus principle. He traded his bonds that were worth something for a high risk play to get more. Keep in mind he did not trade his bonds for BTC but for BTC that was invested, and it was not guaranteed. Go read the final contract not just the draft you guys keep pulling up.

You guys are looking at one part of the contract but ignoring the other parts. I did exactly what the contract said and I did it because this is what he wanted. I ended up losing more money trying to make this asshole happy. Honestly fuck him. Years later he still is trying to get something that is not his.

This really is a worthless thread and you are all getting trolled by OP.

OP is just sad he did not take the BTC when he had a chance. I should have never taken his bonds, I had no obligation to do so.

[El Cabron]

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

[El Cabron]

According to that contract you are NOT obligated to pay him a single penny back and i'm sure if the case goes to court you would win with no problems.  I just think that a mutual agreement could be arranged to make you both happy.  But that's up to you two guys to figure out. 
P.S. after asking you many times what HODL means i found out on my own no thanks to you lol
[/quote]

The ship has sailed on the mutual agreement.

Sorry about the not telling you what HODL meant. I do not post here/lurk as much as I used to and do not remember seeing any PMs from you on the topic. I'm sure I would have replied. Then again I can also be a huge asshole so that might have been it as well. Anyway sorry about that and please do not take it personal, my not replying was not meant as that. Peace.

[Gurrty]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC per bond principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

[El Cabron]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC per bond principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

You invested money in something and it went sideways. That happens all the time. There was no 100% principle to get back. BTC was lost. Things like Bitcoinica went down. The trading bot had a lot of issues and you knew that at the time. The bot was not guaranteed, it was experimental.

You have still yet to post even half of the PMs. Posting this stuff out of context is silly.

[Gurrty]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

gurrty,
I know you lost quite a few BTC in the deal but it was a "RISK" you took the risk and you lost. I do feel bad for you but to make this an issue 2 years later is not the right thing.  He didn't scam you according to whats been presented.

It was a very Expensive MISTAKE on your part nothing more.  Sorry Man and wish you the best of luck.

***Edit** if i had some BTC i would throw it your way to help you out but i don't.

I asked Goat if he was willing to buy me out for 0.8 BTC per bond. I wasn't really interested in high interest. I make this suggestion 2012-05-27. I also write with good insight that a high interest loan will be costly for him.

Gurrty, 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/GopBEmo.png

[DiamondCardz]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

gurrty,
I know you lost quite a few BTC in the deal but it was a "RISK" you took the risk and you lost. I do feel bad for you but to make this an issue 2 years later is not the right thing.  He didn't scam you according to whats been presented.

It was a very Expensive MISTAKE on your part nothing more.  Sorry Man and wish you the best of luck.

***Edit** if i had some BTC i would throw it your way to help you out but i don't.

In a scam accusation of such a large magnitude involving a very prominent party...I would stay out of their affairs. If it turns out to go in Gurrty's favor you will look like a massive sockpuppet.

[DiamondCardz]

I could not have taken BTC like everybody else that Goat stated. He offered me 0.5 BTC per bond. 50% cut off like that. Everybody else was offered 0.9-1 BTC per bond. So I made a contract to get my 1 BTC principle back.

"We will consider buying them back at .5 BTC if you want to take this option."

In same pm he also write;

"We are also trying to understand if you are serious about working something out. Your making this contract to fit your understanding of legality is a bit silly. Do you intend to take this to some European court and tell them some guy in Thailand borrowed your "bonds" traded in some internet hacker currency with no legal precedence in some stock exchange that has not been registered anywhere and operates in China?"

Like he is telling me that I don't have any legal right to anything.

But I was trying to work with Goat to get my principle back.

PM/Chat Log 2012-05-27
https://i.imgur.com/aZJccfg.png

gurrty,
I know you lost quite a few BTC in the deal but it was a "RISK" you took the risk and you lost. I do feel bad for you but to make this an issue 2 years later is not the right thing.  He didn't scam you according to whats been presented.

It was a very Expensive MISTAKE on your part nothing more.  Sorry Man and wish you the best of luck.

***Edit** if i had some BTC i would throw it your way to help you out but i don't.

In a scam accusation of such a large magnitude involving a very prominent party...I would stay out of their affairs. If it turns out to go in Gurrty's favor you will look like a massive sockpuppet.

This is the second time you have poked your nose into my postings and "Advising" me on how/what/when and where to post  I appreciate your concern and your Sockpuppet theory is sitting right where it should be....In the garbage.  Have a great day

Gurrty i see you have tried negotiating but he did mention he was having Financial problems.  just try and talk it out with him.

Okay, I guess I'll have to put this in a less-than-nice way. Regardless of whether you're a shill or not you have no idea what you're poking your nose into...IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum, there's always some shit about him flying around. You want my honest opinion? Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

[El Cabron]

IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum

13 year old scammers always seem to make this claim. They see people like smoothie doing their trolling and assume its true. I know we have had bad blood in the past but really, you got what you should have got and I am not at all sorry for it.

Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

And why is that child? What do I owe this clown? Was I not reasonable in my attempt to work this out and did he not respond by saying "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

I'm sure you find that type of dialog copasetic but I do not deal with rude asshole like him or you. Deal with it.

[DiamondCardz]

IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum

13 year old scammers always seem to make this claim. They see people like smoothie doing their trolling and assume its true. I know we have had bad blood in the past but really, you got what you should have got and I am not at all sorry for it.

Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

And why is that child? What do I owe this clown? Was I not reasonable in my attempt to work this out and did he not respond by saying "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

I'm sure you find that type of dialog copasetic but I do not deal with rude asshole like him or you. Deal with it.

13 year old scammer, yes, of course, because I have scammed so many people. I do not really care for smoothie either but I still dislike what you are doing. Whether you attempted to work this out or not, the fact is that right now it is not "worked out" - you can't simply drop it because he pissed you off.

[El Cabron]

IMHO Goat is one of the least trustworthy people on this forum

13 year old scammers always seem to make this claim. They see people like smoothie doing their trolling and assume its true. I know we have had bad blood in the past but really, you got what you should have got and I am not at all sorry for it.

Goat should at least try to make a fucking resolution rather than shitting on Gurrty and telling him to go to Court.

And why is that child? What do I owe this clown? Was I not reasonable in my attempt to work this out and did he not respond by saying "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

I'm sure you find that type of dialog copasetic but I do not deal with rude asshole like him or you. Deal with it.

13 year old scammer, yes, of course, because I have scammed so many people. I do not really care for smoothie either but I still dislike what you are doing. Whether you attempted to work this out or not, the fact is that right now it is not "worked out" - you can't simply drop it because he pissed you off.

This was resolved years ago. Just because he bitches years later does not mean it was not resolved. If he wants to report me to the FBI fine, let him to so.

[theymos]

Of course asking him to pay the full amount in BTC may be unreasonable but it isnt to expect him to pay a portion of the BTC as the repayment was to be over 100 weeks. In that time OP would have made quite a bit of $ too. That needs to be considered as well.

Yeah, I agree, though maybe we disagree about the appropriate percentage that should be repaid. Looks like this won't be settled here, though.

Yes. Not all of the PMs have been posted

If either of you want me to publish a complete list of the PMs between you, I can do that.

Anyway I have a suggestion for you. The list of VIP's that donated 50BTC to this forum reads almost like a "who's who" of bitcoin scammers. zhoutong, pirateat40, Graet,  imsaguy, TradeFortress, cryptoxchange..  Why dont you do your part, and refund Goat's 50BTC to Gurrty, and strip Goat of his VIP privileges?  At least it would be some small restitution to Gurrty,  it would show you do not want to be paid with stolen money and scammers can not buy protection from you with their stolen money, and if Goat wants to regain his VIP status, let him cough up the coins himself.

If I did that, then I'd have to hold all donated funds forever just in case the donator scammed someone, and the donations would be useless. The forum is not an insurance company.

I have reported Three more PMs to theymos.

Here they are:

I think we should meet in person. When can you get here?

It seems you should contact your broker because our records show at this time are owed nothing. If your records show differently please present the evidence, keep in mind all contracts you have made. Also if you would like to contact the FBI and or the SEC it is your right.

Best of luck

After looking up our records it seems this is an attempt to black mail me. Please do not contact me again or I will be forced to act accordingly. Please have your lawyer contact my lawyer if there is anything that needs to be done in a civil way. I will not speak to you again.

[El Cabron]

Yeah, I agree

To what part? And if it is "I should pay something", why do you think I should?

[x8008]

goat you are a fucking cunt.. asian cunt or japanese or whatever the fuck you are

[El Cabron]

goat you are a fucking cunt.. asian cunt or japanese or whatever the fuck you are

Yes, in your 2 weeks here you have figured it out and put it just so eloquently.

[Puppet]

If I did that, then I'd have to hold all donated funds forever just in case the donator scammed someone, and the donations would be useless. The forum is not an insurance company.

You think its plausible all forum donations, or even a majority are done with stolen funds? And if so, you wouldnt mind crowning the thieves "VIP" and keeping the money? As for holding the funds, you've been doing that anyway. You've been given ~6500 BTC, enough to buy a decent sized software firm, but after all these years we dont even have a search function that actually works. Why dont you do whats right for once, not because you have to, but because you can ?

[MadZ]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

[El Cabron]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

[smoothie]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

Then...

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

[MadZ]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

[El Cabron]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

Then...

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

have a nice nap? good to see you again. you attack me for not defending myself, you attack me for defending myself. you attack me for not posting, you attack me for posting.

do you really not have anything better to do in life? how are the welfare checks working out? I was shocked to see you getting them for so many years in a row. you know, some people here think people like you are scamming the system. we do not like supporting dead weight low lifes like yourself. but what can we do. some people just know how to milk the system.

[El Cabron]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

if it is a loan, should i just give him back what he "loaned" me? loan might be the word in the draft but that is not what it was. also the value placed on the bonds were not the current fair value and were only valued at that price because of other details in the contract.

[smoothie]

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Oh? How does that work?

1. Take Bonds that can be converted to BTC at the time from an investor.

2. Then plausibly lose all of that investment

3. You lose more? lol....

Unless of course you believed you owed him something by paying him back weekly and then stopping as it seems you did.

It is the OP's fault for you losing the entire investment and then paying him back for a few weeks as per your contract..and that equates to a "LOSS" for you?

That is priceless.

Take an investment, lose it all, then pay some of it back (NOT ALL) and call it a loss for yourself as if you still don't owe anything after what you paid so far to OP.

Your initial excuse of why you couldn't keep paying was because other people (Ponzi operator you helped) didn't give you all the funds that YOU invested.

Sounds like this is a recursive investment scheme....house of cards came tumbling down.

You still wrote the contract, and refuse to honor it despite being ABLE to honor it.

Good job buddy!  

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, lol 

[smoothie]

Op had the option to take btc for his bonds like everyone else. He was upset and wanted more. So he wanted to invest in other things. High risk things that could pay 1 percent a week. He was happy until that failed. Now he wants more btc than he even started out with. The bonds were trading at less than 1 btc at the time.

he is like a guy who bet on red, then black hits and he wants a full refund.

If he wants his bonds back then he needs to ask for them. Demanding btc is just silly.

1. Claim you are wasting your time posting in this thread.

2. Continue posting in this thread.

3. Claim to certain users that you owe them nothing/info/etc.

4. Give out more information by explaining more of your view of the situation.

5. TROLLS'S....lol

TROLLS'S'S'S'S'S 

fine. Im done then. If anyone has an issue about this send me a pm.

Then...

I think while Goat should Probably pay back the Remaining BTC owed at it's Value back in 2012 the OP should carry some responsibility and Take a loss for not understanding "Investment and Risk"

Well I do not think that I "should" have to pay him back but honestly I was open to the idea. He went on about his drug problems, how he lost his job, gambled everything away (fiat too) and was now homeless. I felt sorry for the guy but I do not think there is an obligation for me to give him anything I have.

I lost more money trying to do what he demanded by trying to fill his contract. I lost almost everything at one point when I had to pay back everything I owed. I'm one of the very few who did.

Now the only reason why I have BTC today is because I borrowed from family and friends and went all in again. I did well with AM stock and LTC.

Now should OP get a part of that? Well, I asked him why he thought he should and his response was a year later "Hello Scammer, should I report you to the FBI/SEC"

Honestly if he is going to be like that fuck him.

Also keep in mind he did not invest BTC into this. He invested GLBSE bonds that had a questionable value. I was trying to be nice and help him out at the time. Something I wish I never did.

Anyway had he been reasonable and polite I would have come to an agreement with him and done something in fiat in the range that would have made him close to even, but only cuz I took more personal risk after the fact and won. Not because he is owed it.

have a nice nap? good to see you again. you attack me for not defending myself, you attack me for defending myself. you attack me for not posting, you attack me for posting.

do you really not have anything better to do in life? how are the welfare checks working out? I was shocked to see you getting them for so many years in a row. you know, some people here think people like you are scamming the system. we do not like supporting dead weight low lifes like yourself. but what can we do. some people just know how to milk the system.

And you cry cry cry that I "attacked" you every time.

You need new material goat your normal responses are getting quite old. 

[smoothie]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

 loan might be the word in the draft but that is not what it was.

Priceless ^  

A loan is not a loan when the word "loan" is being used in the contract. lol

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

[El Cabron]

Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt.

The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.

This language from the contract, or at least the draft posted here, seems to imply that while the loan will be paid back through, and used for, various investments, it is not an investment itself, just a loan.

You are either a sock or new here but clearly it was not a loan. He did not give me BTC.

This was mostly in response to your assertion that since Gurrty chose to not take a payout immediately, and instead make a "risky investment" in order to profit, you are not obligated to pay him back since the investment did not work out. My point is the contract that we have access to seems to state that this is a loan, not an investment, with the investment aspect being your explanation for how you will pay back the loan.

Yes, he did not give you BTC, he gave you bonds, but they were assessed in terms of their value in BTC, and the contract states that you will pay him back in BTC, regardless of BTC's relative value to these bonds.

The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week.

I don't know how you can argue that this wasn't a loan, when these are you own words from the contract.

Anyway, you stated earlier that what has been posted is only a draft of the contract, not the final thing. If the final contract differs significantly from what has been posted, I apologize, since I am making my argument based on the draft that I have access to.

 loan might be the word in the draft but that is not what it was.

Priceless ^  

A loan is not a loan when the word "loan" is being used in the contract. lol

i know that the word draft is a big word, and intent is a big word. but you can learn what these words mean. look them up buddy. you have used my tax money to pay for internet, use it all you can. you need all the help you can get.

[wachtwoord]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Oh you are the one paying him? Could you please stop

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Oh you are the one paying him? Could you please stop

If I do so I will have to go to jail. It is almost worth it, I know.

[Gurrty]

When Goat is writing "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

[smoothie]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Quite?

Quite being a scammer. LOL  

[El Cabron]

When Goat write "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

I don't think you know smoothie very well. Despite everything that has gone on and the way you reacted I still think you are human.

smoothie is the most hated and despised person that is allowed to post on this forum. He is by far the most ignored.

Most people would not piss on him if he was on fire, you on the other hand just reacted badly to a fair question. and sadly it is just my policy not to deal with people who use terrorist threats. if you want to use the FBI as your enforcer, you do that. smoothie here has more posts in this thread than you, and he has no clue what is going on.

[El Cabron]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Quite?

Quite being a scammer. LOL  

you noticed I typoed from a phone! You get a gold star!

[smoothie]

When Goat wrote "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

Trust me Goat's insults are half-baked and has been used QUITE a few times in his responses. Doesn't phase me one bit. In fact makes me laugh.

Originality isn't his strong-point.  

On Topic: Just because it was a draft doesn't mean you can change all of the words. Sounds like you were being very selective in how you word things as to find a way out of your commitments. Sounds like a typical attorney. But then again an attorney would know the difference between the words "QUITE" and "QUIT".

[smoothie]

@ smoothie, quite being a douche and get a job. stop taking my tax money. it really sucks that i have to pay you to attack me. land of the free, lol.

Quite?

Quite being a scammer. LOL  

you noticed I typoed from a phone! You get a gold star!

Justify your errors.  Keep going.... the next justification for his words or actions is coming folks.

Justify why he shouldn't repay the OP.

I think it is funny that Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare yet he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Just like you asked your own family to loan you money as you claimed. Good job getting on the self-justified welfare system. 

[smoothie]

When Goat write "dead weight low lifes" to smoothie I don't think that should be accepted. It is a very serious insult to a person.

I don't think you know smoothie very well. Despite everything that has gone on and the way you reacted I still think you are human.

smoothie is the most hated and despised person that is allowed to post on this forum. He is by far the most ignored.

Most people would not piss on him if he was on fire, you on the other hand just reacted badly to a fair question. and sadly it is just my policy not to deal with people who use terrorist threats. if you want to use the FBI as your enforcer, you do that. smoothie here has more posts in this thread than you, and he has no clue what is going on.

Ignored =/= Hated.

Use a dictionary. 

[smoothie]

It is now very apparent Goat doesn't intend on repaying any portion of the debt he owes the OP despite countless forum users posting here justifying why they believe he should. Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

[El Cabron]

Justify why he shouldn't repay the OP.

You think i should give him back what he gave me? i have no problem with that. Gurrty you cool with what your friend smoothie the troll wants?

Goat likes to imply i'm on welfare

It is true is it not? You are going to deny it and get exposed as a lier?

he has been trying to get loans from people on this forum for a long long time. "Please loan me money."

Some times it is worth while to borrow money, but as everyone know, I pay my debts. Sadly you do not pay back what you take.

[Gurrty]

So is Goat interested in sending me back what he owe me?

This time around am I still open to talk about it. I suggest Goat send me 3740.35 BTC back and no lawyers are needed. Goat knows he will loose in court.

[theymos]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

[haploid23]

I suggest Goat send me 3740.35 BTC back and no lawyers are needed. Goat knows he will loose in court.

Not going to happen, seeing how btc price is where it's at right now.

[smoothie]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

At the very least I agree here.

The 100 week repayment would have been much more than the USD value of the principal.

[El Cabron]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds worth?

Keep in mind you said pay the market value of the shares, not what the draft of the contract said we would trade them for.

[WhatsBitcoin]

Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:

With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.

Since you are a GLBSE owner, how much are his bonds wo