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September 29, 2018, 05:14:26 AM
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Durbin had Kavanaugh looking like the classic deer in the headlights (and it's a train called the FBI headed straight for Kavanaugh full speed) fucking funny to watch this liar squirm in anguish over his lies!

He sure seemed rattled quite a few times, mostly about his drinking (stupid idea to insist that he wasn't a total sot in high school when his own calendar and yearbook insists otherwise), his personal opinion on the FBI investigation (whatever the committee wants...), and also needlessly bringing up "witnesses" when asked a fairly simple question based on his own words, e.g. if he thinks Dr. Ford was part of a Clinton conspiracy 6 years ago.

Overall it sounded to me like the White House told him to make that aggressive opening statement but didn't really prep him for the inevitable grilling.

Nice job throwing his buddy Mark Judge under the bus too. How the fuck could he possibly not know if "Bart O'Kavanaugh" is "Brett Kavanaugh"?

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I think an endorsement of a self-proclaimed pussy grabber is the last thing Kavanaugh needs right now Smiley....

A certified pussy-grabber's opinion that Kav is not a pussy-grabber doesn't count?

Oh my dear God.
You know what.
Do you realize that the whole world is watching?
I do realize that Russian Duma and Ukrainian Rada look stupid very often.
But they are not as consumed with pussy matters (apart from infamous Pussy Riot) as your discussion of who will defend the Constitution.

FBI investigating sexual matters of 35 years ago is like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBKhSS doing the same.
Department Against Misappropriation of Socialist Property was de-facto ideological police which prevented any dissident activity
by putting strong controls on economic streams; it was holding the weak regime together.
If it were after pussies, USSR would disintegrate in the 1960-ies.

Foreign affairs minister of Russia:
http://magspace.ru/blog/humor/297248.html

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September 29, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
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Overall it sounded to me like the White House told him to make that aggressive opening statement but didn't really prep him for the inevitable grilling.

Quite True; also anything else wouldn't have helped either.

Also; if the FBI will dilly dally in their answers; GOP will have more reason to confirm him.
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I think an endorsement of a self-proclaimed pussy grabber is the last thing Kavanaugh needs right now Smiley....

A certified pussy-grabber's opinion that Kav is not a pussy-grabber doesn't count?

Oh my dear God.
You know what.
Do you realize that the whole world is watching?
I do realize that Russian Duma and Ukrainian Rada look stupid very often.
But they are not as consumed with pussy matters (apart from infamous Pussy Riot) as your discussion of who will defend the Constitution.

FBI investigating sexual matters of 35 years ago is like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBKhSS doing the same.
Department Against Misappropriation of Socialist Property was de-facto ideological police which prevented any dissident activity
by putting strong controls on economic streams; it was holding the weak regime together.
If it were after pussies, USSR would disintegrate in the 1960-ies.

Foreign affairs minister of Russia:
http://magspace.ru/blog/humor/297248.html

Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.
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I think an endorsement of a self-proclaimed pussy grabber is the last thing Kavanaugh needs right now Smiley....

A certified pussy-grabber's opinion that Kav is not a pussy-grabber doesn't count?

Oh my dear God.
You know what.
Do you realize that the whole world is watching?
I do realize that Russian Duma and Ukrainian Rada look stupid very often.
But they are not as consumed with pussy matters (apart from infamous Pussy Riot) as your discussion of who will defend the Constitution.

FBI investigating sexual matters of 35 years ago is like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBKhSS doing the same.
Department Against Misappropriation of Socialist Property was de-facto ideological police which prevented any dissident activity
by putting strong controls on economic streams; it was holding the weak regime together.
If it were after pussies, USSR would disintegrate in the 1960-ies.

Foreign affairs minister of Russia:
http://magspace.ru/blog/humor/297248.html

Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.
It's no wonder that the current generation are now disillusioned with the current Democratic Party. They really need to listen to the people instead of the higher party hierarchy.



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Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.

I know right looking for the actual facts and truth about a guy seeking a lifetime appointment for the highest court in the land is so fucking stalinesque.  I mean whats next from the Democrats a president for life?  Oh wait that was Trump the republican that wanted that!

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September 29, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
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If the Democrats gain both the House and the Senate in the upcoming election, then I'm calling it right now: Trump will get so amazingly frustrated that he will do something massively stupid/illegal and end up getting impeached (via the support of many Republicans).
I don't think there is a lot that Democrats can do to frustrate the President. Trump will be unable to move any of his legislative agenda forward, and will be unlikely to get most of his political appointees that need Senate confirmation confirmed, however beyond that, there is little the Democrats can do. The government may shut down, possibly for an extended period of time, however it is to be seen who would pay politically for that.

In order for Trump to be removed from office, a fairly substantial portion of hard line Republican Senators will need to support impeachment, possibly including some who believe Kavanaugh should be confirmed even if he is guilty of what Ford alleges. I would predict that Trump would get impeached multiple times by Democrats, but is unlikely to reach anywhere close to the necessary support for him to be removed from office.

The best-case scenario IMO is that we quickly get solid evidence that Kavanaugh is guilty, and then he's replaced [Amy Coney Barrett] who is then confirmed before the Democrats have any possibility of taking back the Senate.
To be clear, after witnessing what happened over the past two weeks, it will not be possible for Republicans to get anyone confirmed on the Supreme Court, ever, if Kavanaugh is not confirmed. Baseless accusations will be thrown against anyone right of center (and possibly anyone nominated by a Republican) nominated, and there will be calls to investigate such claims, and such investigations will not find any evidence to support such claims, then more outrageous accusations will be made, only to be followed by more investigations, more hearings, and more delays.



What makes me the most upset about this entire process is just how transparent of a smear campaign against Kavanaugh this is. On it's face, the Ford allegation is at least somewhat plausible prior to hearing any response from Kavanaugh, however the accusations from the New Yorker, and especially from the Creepy Porn Lawyer are so outlandish, that they frankly do not warrant a response from Kavanaugh.

Further evidence this is a smear campaign is the blatant disregard and uninterest in the truth by Democrats. None of the Democrats asked Ford any substantial question that would assess the credibility of her or what she is saying, and they for the most part were questioning Kavanaugh about things like his yearbook and drinking habits, in attempts to further smear him, and his friends from High School. Over the past two weeks, many Democrats have publicly said that Kavanaugh is presumed guilty for various reasons, all of which are ridiculous, and should be chilling to every American, and also goes against any sense of even basic fairness. The presumption of guilt is something that we see in authoritarian countries.

In regards to Ford specifically, it is fairly clear she took steps over many years to prevent Kavanaugh on the supreme court. It has been argued that she disclosed the alleged assault to her therapist in 2012, however Kavanaugh was speculated to be a pick by Romney if he were to win the 2012 election.

This begs the question as to why Ford did not come forward during Kavanaugh's work on the Starr investigation into Bill Clinton (during which time, everyone on that team was both smeared and throughly investigated by those close to the Clintons), nor when Kavanaugh was nominated onto the DC court of appeals. I suspect the answer lies with Mark Judge.

In one line of questioning by Democrats on Thursday, one of the Senators asked Kavanaugh about a character in Mark Judge's book, "Brett O'Kavanaugh" to which Kavanaugh responded that this is a fictional book. I believe the book in question was published in 1997, so technically speaking the Clintons would have had access to it during the Star investigation, however the Kavanaugh-Judge relationship was probably too obscure to go looking at fictional writings of Judge. Fast forward to 2003, Google Books (or something closely titled) was launched, in which it became possible to search the text of books. The initial process of scanning books was fairly slow, and it took some time for Google to have a very wide catalog of books available for searching, so there is a good chance Judge's book was not available on Google Books in 2003 (-2006 when he was confirmed), but even if it was, there is a good chance, those looking into his past might not search Google Books because of its limited catalog. Fast forward to 2012, Ford could have researched the frontrunners to be nominated by Romney, saw the geographical connection from their early years, prompting her to find the Judge-Kavanaugh connection in Judge's book, and went from there.

Unfortunately, Republicans really botched the questioning both because the questioner did not have experience in cross-examining witnesses, and because the format (and time constraints) was horrible. There are multiple lines of questioning that I would have liked to see Rachael Mitchell pursue, however I would have liked to see Mitchell question Ford about any research she conducted on Kavanaugh prior to her making her allegation, and the timing of her therapy session in relation to this research.

In regards to Ford's lawyers, it is fairly clear they are acting as political operatives. Ford was referred to her 1st lawyer, Katz, by Senator Feinstein's office (or maybe it was Feinstein herself, I don't remember). Ford's lawyer got her to more or less immidiately get a polygraph test under very shady circumstances, under which IMO she had a very high probability of not being reported as deceitful (assuming she was lying during the test), ignoring the lack of underlying evidence the test actually took place, such as the machine readouts, and the video/audio of the test. There is not any evidence that Ford agreed to bear the cost, or was aware of the cost of the polygraph, indicating her lawyers intended on paying for it, absent sufficient GoFundMe funds.  Her lawyers also successfully delayed the hearing by a week under what can only be described as misleading circumstances, if not via outright lying. Her lawyers also made it very politically difficult for Republicans to meaningfully question Ford or her credibility by forcing a public hearing, even though Ford later said she preferred a private questioning in CA. It was Ford's lawyers who started the calls for an FBI investigation, even though the FBI would not be able to obtain any information that Senate staffers would be able to get.

In regards to the requests for an FBI investigation, this is clearly a farce, attempting to further delay a vote on Kavanaugh's confirmation. The FBI is unable to compel anyone to speak with them, while the Senate can issue a subpoena. The penalty for lying to an FBI agent is substantially the same as lying to a senate investigator under these circumstances. The FBI is not able to obtain any information that Senate investigators can obtain, and they don't know what specific questions Senators are interested in, while Senate investigators can work with Senators to ask specific questions. The claim that a Senate investigation is somehow "partisan" is ridiculous based on the fact that both Democrats and Republicans can investigate, although the Democrats refused to previously participate, which is further evidence of their dis-interest in learning the truth.  

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September 29, 2018, 07:14:04 PM
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Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.

I know right looking for the actual facts and truth
Senate Democrat staffers refused to participate in investigations of any of the allegations, and refused to participate in the interviewing of any of the witnesses. 

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Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.

I know right looking for the actual facts and truth
Senate Democrat staffers refused to participate in investigations of any of the allegations, and refused to participate in the interviewing of any of the witnesses.  

And yet they and the victims were calling for the premier federal investigative bureau to look into the matter.

Seems completely unreasonable (to any sane person) that the accused and the supposed evil deep dem conspirators would be wanting the FBI to investigate and uncover their shameless plot.

Similarly it doesn't seem reasonable (to any sane person) that the accused and the party claiming a conspiracy didn't want the premier federal investigative bureau to look into the matter.  If some lying twat falsely accused me of attempted rape and I could call the president and get the FBI to clear my name, you wouldn't believe how fast an innocent man would make that fucking call LOL.  Just so my kids could go to school and tell the other little shit heads that my dad was falsely accused and the FBI investigated it and uncovered the plot against him.

Most of the time occam's razor can be applied.  I mean seriously you have so many ridiculous assumptions that the simple answer here is surely almost 100% correct.  He did it and now the FBI can question Judge like he should have been.

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Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.

I know right looking for the actual facts and truth
Senate Democrat staffers refused to participate in investigations of any of the allegations, and refused to participate in the interviewing of any of the witnesses. 

And yet they and the victims were calling for the premier federal investigative bureau to look into the matter.

What information do you think the FBI can uncover that Senate staffers would be unable to uncover?

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Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.

I know right looking for the actual facts and truth about a guy seeking a lifetime appointment for the highest court in the land is so fucking stalinesque.  I mean whats next from the Democrats a president for life?  Oh wait that was Trump the republican that wanted that!

I also found out that the chineese love trump because of his big brain lol oh my god the entire world is laughing at this retard literally laugh at him at the UN, what a joke the US has become!  The Russians are laughing the hardest as they managed to influence an American election.
No, only our corrupt media used to be (I don't follow them anymore) laughing at Trump, showing him on the background of atomic explosion, soon after inauguration.

In RT topic, I expressed the opinion that all this Trump-bashing is same like men against women, white against black, rich against poor bullshit, while the only thing that matters is: Individual against the Collective, fossilized in the State, wielding the monopoly to physical violence. It's counter-productive for crypto anarchism, and other good things.

As for supreme-judge-to-be-appointed: next thing you start digging into Kindergarten days, condemning children showing prepubescent dicks and pussies to each other. You Protestants need to relax and calm down a bit. Sex is not always a dirty power game, and not always an act of domination.

Sometimes sex is just sex: communication between two individuals, exchange of energies, very rarely Tantric Union of the opposites and last but not least in Ayn Rand's words: expressing the supreme degree of respect for other human being.

The Chinese, however raped and subverted by Mao, still have a remnant of that relaxed attitude so lacking in the Abrahamic world, built culturally by desert men...

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Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.

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Senate Democrat staffers refused to participate in investigations of any of the allegations, and refused to participate in the interviewing of any of the witnesses.  

And yet they and the victims were calling for the premier federal investigative bureau to look into the matter.

What information do you think the FBI can uncover that Senate staffers would be unable to uncover?

Well for one they will actually talk to more than just the 2 people in the hearing like duh obviously, something the republicans refused to do ffs seriously if you think some partisan senate staffers are better than the FBI than ok cool.

No, only our corrupt media used to be (I don't follow them anymore) laughing at Trump, showing him on the background of atomic explosion, soon after inauguration.

Actually if you watch Trump at the UN meetings the world was literally laughing at him.  The Germans were almost on the floor laughing when Trump said that Germany was going to end up relying entirely on Russia for oil or gas I forget but the videos are there to see.

Those aren't made up videos BTW and as a non American I can assure you their is a large part of the world that is laughing at Americans and their president!

America's respect around the world has plummeted because of electing trump

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September 29, 2018, 07:49:05 PM
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Indeed, the Democratic Party of the US lurches farther in the direction of Stalinesque with each passing year.

I know right looking for the actual facts and truth
Senate Democrat staffers refused to participate in investigations of any of the allegations, and refused to participate in the interviewing of any of the witnesses. 

And yet they and the victims were calling for the premier federal investigative bureau to look into the matter.

What information do you think the FBI can uncover that Senate staffers would be unable to uncover?

Well for one they will actually talk to more than just the 2 people in the hearing like duh obviously, something the republicans refused to do ffs seriously if you think some partisan senate staffers are better than the FBI than ok cool.
Senate investigators spoke to all of the witnesses that Ford named. All of the witnesses denied having knowledge of the incident, nor the party/gathering that Ford described.

The Senate Republican investigators have already spoken to the same people that the FBI will speak to, and have already obtained the same information. The only reason Senate democrat investigators are not named is because they refused to participate, hence they are not interested in the truth.

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The Senate Republican investigators have already spoken to the same people that the FBI will speak to, and have already obtained the same information. The only reason Senate democrat investigators are not named is because they refused to participate, hence they are not interested in the truth.

Bullshit, what a ridiculous assumption.  The FBI is a non partisan premier federal agency with thousands of field agents what a stupid assumption to think the senate partisan clowns gather all relevant information.  Your leaps of logic are astounding and agenda driven but ok cool.

Judge is in hiding what are the questions the partisan investigators asked asked, I can assure you that the FBI will ask more questions than the partisan republican investigators.

But Judge has agreed to talk to the FBI so at least now they can ask some non partisan questions to the guy!

Occams razor bro you should want the FBI to uncover the dem plot so you can have red wave but no of course not keep the FBI out of it because they might find out the truth eh...

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The Senate Republican investigators have already spoken to the same people that the FBI will speak to, and have already obtained the same information. The only reason Senate democrat investigators are not named is because they refused to participate, hence they are not interested in the truth.

Bullshit, what a ridiculous assumption.  The FBI is a non partisan premier federal agency with thousands of field agents what a stupid assumption to think the senate partisan clowns gather all relevant information.  Your leaps of logic are astounding and agenda driven but ok cool.
If the Republicans don't want to ask specific questions for political purposes, then the staffers who work for democrat senators can ask those questions, and all the questions would be asked.

Judge is in hiding what are the questions the partisan investigators asked asked, I can assure you that the FBI will ask more questions than the partisan republican investigators.
Judge has said he is willing to answer whatever questions are asked of him in writing by Senate investigators. You say that "partisan republican investigators" will only ask softball questions, but you fail to mention that democrat investigators can ask all the questions they want, but declined to participate in the investigation.

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None of the Democrats asked Ford any substantial question that would assess the credibility of her or what she is saying, and they for the most part were questioning Kavanaugh about things like his yearbook and drinking habits, in attempts to further smear him, and his friends from High School.

Digging into one person's past would be "assessing credibility", but digging into another person's past is "smear"? Republicans didn't ask Ford any questions at all choosing instead to delegate to Rachel Mitchell, but they pushed Mitchell aside when she started digging into Kavanaugh's calendar.


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Kavanaugh dug most of his hole himself. Democrats may have handed him a shovel a couple of times but that's about it. He didn't have to lie about his yearbook entries, he decided to do that on his own. Unless you're saying that Clintons created Urban Dictionary to get back at Kavanaugh.

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None of the Democrats asked Ford any substantial question that would assess the credibility of her or what she is saying, and they for the most part were questioning Kavanaugh about things like his yearbook and drinking habits, in attempts to further smear him, and his friends from High School.

Digging into one person's past would be "assessing credibility", but digging into another person's past is "smear"? Republicans didn't ask Ford any questions at all choosing instead to delegate to Rachel Mitchell, but they pushed Mitchell aside when she started digging into Kavanaugh's calendar.


When applying Quicksy logic not only do you get the above you get stuff like the below where he thinks a partisan senate investigation is greater than or equal to an investigation by the best trained investigators in America!

The Senate Republican investigators have already spoken to the same people that the FBI will speak to, and have already obtained the same information.

No one on the right can make any kind of argument that doesn't involve some completely ridiculous deep state Illuminati type conspiracy as to why an innocent man who can call the POTUS any time he wants (unless the POTUS is busy grabbing a strangers pussy maybe) wouldn't DEMAND an FBI investigation to clear his name and save his wife and poor daughters their humiliation.

As it is half the country thinks hes a rapist and the other doesn't care LOL if he demanded an FBI investigation he could shut up the wrong half whichever that actually is!

Now I see that the world is laughing even more at the American people, holy shit no one is talking about the extreme partisan from a SCOTUS nominee, seriously they are supposed to be neutral or at least give the appearance of it. How can someone so extremely aligned to one side sit in judgement in a non bias manner.  Trump has made every institution of the USA a world wide laughing stock!

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The Senate Republican investigators have already spoken to the same people that the FBI will speak to, and have already obtained the same information. The only reason Senate democrat investigators are not named is because they refused to participate, hence they are not interested in the truth.

Bullshit, what a ridiculous assumption.  The FBI is a non partisan premier federal agency....

On the contrary I'd say it's suspicious how very EAGER democrats are to get the FBI in the loop.

FBI Departures:

James Comey, director (fired)
Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired)
Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired)
Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned)
James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)
James Baker, general counsel (resigned)
Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned)
Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned)
James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned)
Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned)
Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned)
John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned)
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FBI Departures:


Are we just listing folks that no longer work there for some random reason I mean what does that list have to with the price of horse shit in America.

The FBI is the best group of people in America designed to investigate things, its right in the name of the group!

This back ground check won't be their first rodeo!

Some how the FBI isn't qualified to do investigations, holy shit you right wing nut jobs have to change arguments so often how do you keep them all straight!

Funny how the left has been calling for one thing and one thing only the entire time, an FBI investigation, the right on the other hand is changing stories and theories so often they sound more retarded than usual!

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FBI Departures:


Are we just listing folks that no longer work there for some random reason....

I'm afraid not.


FBI Departures:

....
Some how the FBI isn't qualified to do investigations, holy shit you right wing nut jobs have to change arguments so often how do you keep them all straight!

Funny how the left has been calling for one thing and one thing only the entire time, an FBI investigation....

The left has not been calling for one thing only. They want to delay the confirmation, on the gamble that senate and congress ratios change. That's all it's about.

The people I have known in the FBI are pretty outstanding.

There's a corollary to Occim's razor. Make the hypothesis as simple as possible, but no simpler than the facts actually demand.

You can't ignore the hyper politicized environment. It is what it is.
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