SCAM ALERT!!! Lost 0.08 BTC [Please stay safe]

[mdayonliner]

My head is still boiling... I am not sure what I am gonna end up writing here. I am cool now. Please always be careful when you are in lending business or taking tokens from anyone. Always double check the token contract. From now on, any collateral as token on my lending topic must need to be sent to an exchange of my choice.

What happened:: User yishak asked for a collateral loan of 0.08BTC

Loan- 0.08BTC
Period- 40days
Collateral- 108k HYDRO tokens (worth 0.0972BTC)
Repay- 0.096BTC

BTC add:1Gi6KZHjyMEMWH6fjxJKQYooa6AmowAd7r

We agreed to use DarkStar_'s escrow service. yishak sent the tokens to DarkStar_

I have sent the collateral, @mdayonliner
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9e13330cc9be0bc7a7bc31b96d2f1b53baf35c33e1789f58bc655f0c2762906b

I sent the BTC

Great! Processing the loan.

For 108k HYDRO token the approximate rate HYDRO is 0.00000082BTC (coinex price). If the price alarms 0.00000082BTC or below this rate then in 24 hours you will top-up more coins/token to keep the collateral value of it's minimum 120% range. Depending on the added collateral the rate will be readjusted.

Loan sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e5b3969791e5ae935a4c59360a8325112e758bf55b5c4c35f66975010019a782
Repayment date: 3^rd September time before @23:59 GMT

The price was dropping, and once DarkStar_ agreed to release the tokens to me to liquidate then we discovered I got scammed by user yishak.

This was a big misunderstanding on my part. I didn't carefully read the date of your post and assumed you had not given 24 hours yet. Tokens sent to you, and you can liquidate.
tx: 0x84987754330815e8dc745e860687f34965f4ec556d2a2a3771fc58f40cd0766a

I'll cover your losses based off of the 0.08BTC loan value and whatever you sell it for. (max 0.012BTC limit to this offer unless something crazy happens with the price)

That's so kind of you. By the way just checked the tx and it says failed. You might want to check the transaction again.

Here is the address again.

Code:

0x96f354366c7739daa663798adcb67e4165cb5d5b

0x2a7c3e41ad92cb9d116293fe7b0557fc075a313a9b56a25f8505ab3d952ac0cf

Failed again  

May be you need to set higher GAS price.

So, here... I got scammed. BIG time lose of 0.08BTC.
The Collateral was fake HYDRO
Someone slap me on my face!!!!

The user sent outdated token which he did not burn.

So, I lost 0.08BTC

Scammers Profile Link: yishak

Reference Link:
https://medium.com/hydrogen-api/reissue-complete-67a322c55d5a
https://ethplorer.io/address/0x12fb5d5802c3b284761d76c3e723ea913877afba

Amount Scammed: 0.08BTC BIG TIME LOSE

Preev price

Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e5b3969791e5ae935a4c59360a8325112e758bf55b5c4c35f66975010019a782
PM/Chat Logs: http://archive.is/tNeAC
Additional Notes: Just be careful. I was 100% sure that my investment was 100% secured. It was never in reality.

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[marlboroza]

The use sent outdated token which were burned actually.

Tokens are outdated but they are not burned.

[praine]

From now on, any collateral as token on my lending topic must need to be sent to an exchange of my choice.

That is indeed a good way to authenticate these coins and verify your ability to liquidate them. Another alternative (If you wish to hold on to these tokens personally) is to use the MetaMask wallet and visit a decentralized exchange like IDEX or EtherDelta. The coins will appear in your balance of tradeable tokens, but only you have access to them (you have to send them to the exchange with your own gas to make a trade).

Tough lesson, but you did help the community by sharing this. I'm sure both lenders and escrows will be careful to avoid this scam going forward.

[mdayonliner]

The use sent outdated token which were burned actually.

Tokens are outdated but they are not burned.

Thank you fixed it...

The user sent outdated token which he did not burn. 

Tough lesson, but you did help the community by sharing this. I'm sure both lenders and escrows will be careful to avoid this scam going forward.

I hope they really do.

[Dig Bicks]

It's only 600 bucks calm down man.  thats barely anything.

[mdayonliner]

It's only 600 bucks calm down man.  thats barely anything.

LOL you are not an ALT of digaran or you are?

6 posts so far... http://archive.is/0hh68

1st post: http://prntscr.com/kcjhl9
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4674964.msg42185900#msg42185900

2nd post: http://prntscr.com/kcji6r
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4189384.msg42186162#msg42186162

3rd Post: http://prntscr.com/kcjio9 2 posts after digaran http://prntscr.com/kcjiw4
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4674648.msg42186529#msg42186529


so 3/6 post (including this) you and digaran followed each others. Co-incidence?
Also you sounds like digaran to me. Co-incidence?

I could be totally wrong though 

[LoyceV]

The user sent outdated token which he did not burn.

I didn't know this can happen. That's an expensive lesson in handling Ethereum tokens! I've added some red to the scam-account too.

I can only see it as another reason to stay away from tokens created out of thin air.

[mdayonliner]

I didn't know this can happen.

I did not either until DarkStar_ discovered it yesterday while we were having conversation on Telegram.

That's an expensive lesson in handling Ethereum tokens!

It is indeed, from now on I will ask the borrower to send any token directly to the exchanges (either to me or to the escrow), no exception. My original thread actually says that token has to be sent to the exchanges but at the end I wanted to be more flexible for this scammer. Little know I had the idea that this would cost me a lot.

This was my deal...

Any altcoin is currently trading on Binance, Bittrex, Poloniex, Bitfinex only. I will set stop/loss at 110% of your loan amount to ensure I do not risk my capital with small profit. I will ask the escrower to do the same.

I am adding coinex for you since HYDRO (hoping they have stop/loss) is trading on coinex.

Since it looks extra hassle and exchange transaction fees involve which is high comparatively, I will be comfortable with DarkStar_ keeping the collateral in his own wallet. If the BTC value of the collateral goes below or equal to 110% (meaning 0.088BTC or below) of my lending amount then yishak will have 24 hours time to top up more coins to keep the collateral value of it's minimum 120% range otherwise I will ask DarkStar_ to release the collateral to me. @yishak, let me know if you are ok with this or you want to go with the original deal of stop/lose on the exchange?

I would suggest everyone who is in token handing business (especially escrow, lending, buying from third party) to do the same.

I've added some red to the scam-account too.

Thank you, this will help to create awareness against this kind of outdated token trick. I gotta admit that he came up with a solid plan to reuse those outdated tokens.

I can only see it as another reason to stay away from tokens created out of thin air.

It's the downside. I am sure from now on people will be more careful if they end up seeing this topic. It's another lesson I had to learn the hard way.

[Steamtyme]

It is indeed, from now on I will ask the borrower to send any token directly to the exchanges (either to me or to the escrow), no exception. My original thread actually says that token has to be sent to the exchanges but at the end I wanted to be more flexible for this scammer. Little know I had the idea that this would cost me a lot.

Honestly, sorry to see that happen to you.

The blue section, is what scammers thrive on. So in the future stick to the plan you came up with to feel secure in lending.

Good luck with your future lending.

[mdayonliner]

Honestly, sorry to see that happen to you.

Thanks mate. It's a part of life and I will recover. I am glad that it did not happen to someone who has not much, also I am glad that the amount was not like few BTC or really huge!

The blue section, is what scammers thrive on. So in the future stick to the plan you came up with to feel secure in lending.

From now on, actually no exception. I would suggest everyone else to be more careful and perhaps add this rule that any token as collateral should be sent to an exchange of the lenders choice.

Good luck with your future lending.

Appreciate mate.

[Oshiage]

I have been scammed about 10 BTC last year.

So I understand your feelings right now.

[marlboroza]

The user sent outdated token which he did not burn.

I didn't know this can happen. That's an expensive lesson in handling Ethereum tokens! I've added some red to the scam-account too.

I can only see it as another reason to stay away from tokens created out of thin air.

Tokens were reissued and everyone who was holding old hydro tokens have received new hydro tokens. All holders got instructions how to burn old tokens, unfortunately, this scammer took advantage of whole situation, didn't burn tokens and they scammed mdayonliner.

It is indeed, from now on I will ask the borrower to send any token directly to the exchanges (either to me or to the escrow), no exception. My original thread actually says that token has to be sent to the exchanges but at the end I wanted to be more flexible for this scammer. Little know I had the idea that this would cost me a lot.

I don't think it is good solution to hold escrowed funds or collateral in exchange. You should have done more research about tokens before taking them as collateral(or before sending money to scammer), well, we all learn on our own mistakes, I hope you won't do the same mistake again.

I would suggest everyone who is in token handing business (especially escrow, lending, buying from third party) to do the same.

It is important to look at smart contract address and to see if it is correct one, and, of course, to read yellow messages with important info.
On side note

ICOethics has PM'd me something interesting few days ago, I hope they won't mind me posting it here, apparently these guys, whoever they are - https://etherscan.io/address/0xf24246e0d5399ea85dbdadcfdbc9e8f14490db58#tokentxns - are issuing fake tokens, giving them symbols of true tokens and after that they simple send tokens to etherdelta. Whoever buys them will buy fake worthless tokens.
So, to repeat again, it is very important to double check smart contract.

[pugman]

I am so sorry for what happened to you,man. I had witnessed a somewhat same situation that happened to aTriz. He was also scammed by someone who gave fake tokens as collateral. Refer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31956800#msg31956800

From now on, any collateral as token on my lending topic must need to be sent to an exchange of my choice.

Don't do that. And don't accept alts. The top 100 ones in coinmarketcap should do. And double check always, like marlboroza said.

I didn't know this can happen. That's an expensive lesson in handling Ethereum tokens! I've added some red to the scam-account too.

I can only see it as another reason to stay away from tokens created out of thin air.

Apparently they look the same, anybody who doesn't do much research can be scammed easily. There should be a new sticky in the lending section about these fake collateral, just so that others aren't scammed in a similar manner.

[mdayonliner]

It is important to look at smart contract address and to see if it is correct one, and, of course, to read yellow messages with important info.

I wish I knew this before, I could save me some of my BTC. It was DarkStar_ who spotted it. He sent the token twice but they were failing. I thought may be the GAS price was low so, I suggested him to higher the GAS price. He almost was going to try it again but before that he realized that the contract address was actually wrong. Shit happens.

I hope you won't do the same mistake again.

I hope the same. To me I will always prefer the exchange from now if it is a token which is unknown to me. Fuck research (LOL)

...are issuing fake tokens, giving them symbols of true tokens and after that they simple send tokens to etherdelta. Whoever buys them will buy fake worthless tokens.

So basically they are confusing people with same name. I noticed this interesting thing after gone through the scammer's token address....

https://etherscan.io/address/0xdbd7303c1ba059a4f70c5b91e92baeaf7ec32424#tokentxns



X is was the original token later it became fake
Y is now the new token.

Transaction number 2 is actually when the old ones were replaced.
Transaction number 3 when that scammer sent to new real token to somewhere, may be in an exchange.
Transaction number 5 was the stub on my back
I am not sure about the transaction number 4. Hope he did not do the same to someone else.

My point is... have a look on the token name and symbol - anyone can get fooled if they do not have prior knowledge.

I am so sorry for what happened to you,man. I had witnessed a somewhat same situation that happened to aTriz. He was also scammed by someone who gave fake tokens as collateral. Refer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31956800#msg31956800

Yes, I learnt it from DarkStar_ as I said I wish I would had the prior knowledge. By the way, it's ok, I will recover. Just wish that it will never happen again to me and to anyone else.

Don't do that. And don't accept alts. The top 100 ones in coinmarketcap should do. And double check always, like marlboroza said.

I am actually not sure. I guess I will only deal with the tokens or coin that are known to me and will do an extensive research.

There should be a new sticky in the lending section about these fake collateral, just so that others aren't scammed in a similar manner.

I think the same. May be mod/admin/staff can use this topic and aTriz one as reference.

[jackg]

I lost 0.15BTC in a similar way (when it was at ~$15000).
You can probably still find the topics somewhere.

The collateral was sent to me and I released the 0.15BTC after the coins were sent to an exchange but hadn't come through which was the main mistake.

I guess if I didn't send the coins and the claim was legit, someone on here would've given me a red tag. If I did (like I did) then I'd lose the money but keep my trust clean.

0.08BTC isn't that bad of a loss - even 0.15BTC isn't that dramatic.

[mdayonliner]

0.08BTC isn't that bad of a loss - even 0.15BTC isn't that dramatic.

That's a hell lot of bad feeling, when you realize that you just have been scammed.

I guess if I didn't send the coins and the claim was legit, someone on here would've given me a red tag. If I did (like I did) then I'd lose the money but keep my trust clean.

I don't think you would get a red tag if you were able to show the evidence plus you can always send the tokens to the address it came from or any other ERC20 address. In the exchanges I don't know how they prevent it.

I gave an exchange address to  DarkStar_ and it was showing the following message.

"Warning! Error encountered during contract execution [Reverted]"
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2a7c3e41ad92cb9d116293fe7b0557fc075a313a9b56a25f8505ab3d952ac0cf


So I figured it's because the address was an exchange address. I may ask DarkStar_  to send the tokens to an ERC20 address which I own.

[jackg]

0.08BTC isn't that bad of a loss - even 0.15BTC isn't that dramatic.

That's a hell lot of bad feeling, when you realize that you just have been scammed.

I guess if I didn't send the coins and the claim was legit, someone on here would've given me a red tag. If I did (like I did) then I'd lose the money but keep my trust clean.

I don't think you would get a red tag if you were able to show the evidence plus you can always send the tokens to the address it came from or any other ERC20 address. In the exchanges I don't know how they prevent it.

I gave an exchange address to  DarkStar_ and it was showing the following message.

"Warning! Error encountered during contract execution [Reverted]"
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2a7c3e41ad92cb9d116293fe7b0557fc075a313a9b56a25f8505ab3d952ac0cf


So I figured it's because the address was an exchange address. I may ask DarkStar_  to send the tokens to an ERC20 address which I own.

I'm not sure it'll make too much of a difference though (the different address)?

[mdayonliner]

I'm not sure it'll make too much of a difference though (the different address)?

An address which is not an exchange address. Like DarkStar_ gave an address that he owns and yishak sent the token from his address to DarkStar_'s. If I was giving an address which was not belonging to an exchange then still I might thought that I am holding some legit HYDRO LOL

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's only 600 bucks calm down man.  thats barely anything.

Stop trolling the guy when he got scammed.  $600 is a decent chunk of change in most places on earth, and I suspect mdayonliner is from a country where it buys a lot more than other places (though I don't know anything about his finances or how much it's worth to him).  Your stupid ass is going on ignore.

OP, this is one hell of a lesson.  I can't say I understand how these tokens work, having never owned any of them, but it looks like the scammer took advantage of something he knew he'd probably get away with.  This is a good lesson for everyone taking tokens as collateral.  Too bad you're the one who paid the tuition.  Sucks you even used escrow for this.  That was smart at least.

[mdayonliner]

Stop trolling the guy when he got scammed.  $600 is a decent chunk of change in most places on earth,

This is another example of me making some decent haters on the forum besides the good ones. I actually don't care about them, the good ones all I count.

I suspect mdayonliner is from a country where it buys a lot more than other places (though I don't know anything about his finances or how much it's worth to him). 

I am originated from a country where 600$ is a lot more money however I am one of those fortunate one that was able to move to a first world country and was/is able to make a good living. I had several dramatic ups and downs in my life which eventually changed me to accept the reality and not to waste time in past. I consider those downs in my life as my inspirations to become the person I am today. Honestly speaking, I am quite proud of being me.

Too bad you're the one who paid the tuition.  Sucks you even used escrow for this.  That was smart at least.

Someone had to pay the bill 

PS: He basically suggested escrow and wanted to pay for it. Sadly DarkStar_ never got paid though. So yeah, he actually did not spend anything to execute this scam except tx fee to transfer the tokens from his address to DarkStar_'s.

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

This 0.08BTC which you lost may worth a lot in future  . Unless we have huge amount in crypto, it's better not to risk your bucks in Lending business nor we should never indulge ourselves in Lending for interests. With Ethereum and Waves platform, one can generate x amount of tokens and can scam anyone. A token needs to move to its own independent blockchain after quite few months/years. Most of these tokens which doesn't move, end up being scam or becoming worthless over the years.

In future, its better to accept collateral for coins which has an independent blockchain rather than risking your btc for these worthless tokens which are created on top of other blockchain. It would be least possible for one to get scammed if they accept coins as collateral. I feel really sorry for your loss. Good luck with your Lending business if you are willing to risk your btc again to untrustworthy individuals who are roaming all around the forum to scam someone.  

[marlboroza]

I gave an exchange address to  DarkStar_ and it was showing the following message.

"Warning! Error encountered during contract execution [Reverted]"
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2a7c3e41ad92cb9d116293fe7b0557fc075a313a9b56a25f8505ab3d952ac0cf

Answer is somewhere in code, perhaps DarkStar can't send tokens from that address? Not sure. Why they issued new tokens in first place? Perhaps they fucked up something in code first time. I am just guessing.

So I figured it's because the address was an exchange address. I may ask DarkStar_  to send the tokens to an ERC20 address which I own.

It doesn't matter, you can send every token to exchange address even if they are not listed on that exchange because you are not really sending tokens to exchange   However, they won't show in your balance if they are not listed.
Look, there are plenty of reasons why you shouldn't accept erc tokens as collateral, whole investing in ICO is one big gamble and these tokens have "ability" to literally crash over night, then your collateral will be worth nothing, don't get me wrong on this, but whoever borrows money from you doesn't really have obligation to repay loan as they already gave you collateral, right? It is shady, I know, just saying.
After all, you will take higher collateral than your loan is worth(20% in this case), in any case whoever borrow money from you will pay huge interest.
Anyway, it is better to use top 10 altcoins as collateral, as someone already suggested, unless you really know what you are doing.

[mdayonliner]

Answer is somewhere in code, perhaps DarkStar can't send tokens from that address? Not sure.

If DarkStar_ can't then how did that scammer send the tokens to DarkStar_ in the first place? It must be possible. May be the exchanges can stop incoming wrong tokens programmatically.

Why they issued new tokens in first place? Perhaps they fucked up something in code first time. I am just guessing.

They could perhaps find a safer way to protect people from scammers when they issued new tokens. I am not sure about solidity programming, wasn't it possible for them to lock the old tokens with an exception of sending only to the burned address?
 

This 0.08BTC which you lost may worth a lot in future  .

Totally mate.

Look, there are plenty of reasons why you shouldn't accept erc tokens as collateral, whole investing in ICO is one big gamble and these tokens have "ability" to literally crash over night, then your collateral will be worth nothing, don't get me wrong on this, but whoever borrows money from you doesn't really have obligation to repay loan as they already gave you collateral, right? It is shady, I know, just saying.
After all, you will take higher collateral than your loan is worth(20% in this case), in any case whoever borrow money from you will pay huge interest.
Anyway, it is better to use top 10 altcoins as collateral, as someone already suggested, unless you really know what you are doing.

In future, its better to accept collateral for coins which has an independent blockchain rather than risking your btc for these worthless tokens which are created on top of other blockchain. It would be least possible for one to get scammed if they accept coins as collateral. I feel really sorry for your loss. Good luck with your Lending business if you are willing to risk your btc again to untrustworthy individuals who are roaming all around the forum to scam someone.  

I am going to fully revise my lending topic. This is a draft idea I am thinking of...
If a coin/token is a top 10 on CMC then collateral can be in an independent address, if it's not then send it to an exchange. Money will sent out once the fund become available in the exchange. Also I will set stop/loss in certain percentage.

[LoyceV]

May be the exchanges can stop incoming wrong tokens programmatically.

That's not how any blockchain should work.

I am going to fully revise my lending topic. This is a draft idea I am thinking of...
If a coin/token is a top 10 on CMC then collateral can be in an independent address, if it's not then send it to an exchange. Money will sent out once the fund become available in the exchange. Also I will set stop/loss in certain percentage.

Feel free to send me your draft for review when ready. I'll be thorough.

[mdayonliner]

That's not how any blockchain should work.

I see.

Feel free to send me your draft for review when ready. I'll be thorough.

Thanks mate, I will do.

[jackg]

Answer is somewhere in code, perhaps DarkStar can't send tokens from that address? Not sure.

If DarkStar_ can't then how did that scammer send the tokens to DarkStar_ in the first place? It must be possible. May be the exchanges can stop incoming wrong tokens programmatically.

The exchange address is just an eth address. Your regular address is an eth address, they're the same addresses.
The scammer sent it by tricking the token process and the blockchain, DarkStar_ can't send it because he probably doesn't have much experience in ERC20 tokens (as they do nothing to benefit Bitcoin).

Why they issued new tokens in first place? Perhaps they fucked up something in code first time. I am just guessing.

They could perhaps find a safer way to protect people from scammers when they issued new tokens. I am not sure about solidity programming, wasn't it possible for them to lock the old tokens with an exception of sending only to the burned address?

That would surely cause a lot more harm than good wouldn't it?
I mean the coin is supposed to be decentralised and anyone is able to produce their own token so it's impossible to do unless you use KYC for people making tokens (which isn't going to happen).

I am going to fully revise my lending topic. This is a draft idea I am thinking of...
If a coin/token is a top 10 on CMC then collateral can be in an independent address, if it's not then send it to an exchange. Money will sent out once the fund become available in the exchange. Also I will set stop/loss in certain percentage.

Under such conditions, people generally use the top 100 on the cmc list if that helps.

At 35 is dogecoin for example.

[mdayonliner]

The scammer sent it by tricking the token process and the blockchain, DarkStar_ can't send it because he probably doesn't have much experience in ERC20 tokens (as they do nothing to benefit Bitcoin).

Blow me! So, that was a smart guy hiding behind his computer.

That would surely cause a lot more harm than good wouldn't it?
I mean the coin is supposed to be decentralised and anyone is able to produce their own token so it's impossible to do unless you use KYC for people making tokens (which isn't going to happen).

Yes, now it makes lot more sense, I totally forgot that part 

Under such conditions, people generally use the top 100 on the cmc list if that helps.

At 35 is dogecoin for example.

I will revise the terms and will share it with all. May be I will have only a set of alts that I am comfortable with.

[jackg]

The scammer sent it by tricking the token process and the blockchain, DarkStar_ can't send it because he probably doesn't have much experience in ERC20 tokens (as they do nothing to benefit Bitcoin).

Blow me! So, that was a smart guy hiding behind his computer.

This is what I've tried to say previously but not very well.
I therefore, also, don't know why they waste their time doing this when they have so much intelligence, you lost $600 - think of how quickly he could have earnt more than that actually using his skills in some way by hiring them out?

Under such conditions, people generally use the top 100 on the cmc list if that helps.

At 35 is dogecoin for example.

I will revise the terms and will share it with all. May be I will have only a set of alts that I am comfortable with.

Yes that might be a wise idea to only select a set few although the top 100 have enough money thrown into them that they are probably safe enough to use without needing any special circumstances.

No offence, but I like the fact I'm not the only one who fell for this sort of thing if you and DarkStar_ were duped by it.

[DarkStar_]

Perhaps you can't spend all of your HYDRO? (or there's a seperate HYDRO fee?) The burn info page suggests this:

You must send 1 less token than your current balance to burn your old Hydro successfully.

I'm not familiar with this ERC20 token and I just assumed they were all basically the same.

PS: He basically suggested escrow and wanted to pay for it. Sadly DarkStar_ never got paid though. So yeah, he actually did not spend anything to execute this scam except tx fee to transfer the tokens from his address to DarkStar_'s.

I couldn't care less about my escrow fee in this case, and even if I was paid, the funds would have gone to you.

[jackg]

I may have given this one too much effort earlier, perhaps it was just this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectHydro/comments/84xc4q/hydro_token_reissue_faq/

@DarkStar_ I'm not entirely sure it's possible to unburn a token if that is what has happened?

[DarkStar_]

@DarkStar_ I'm not entirely sure it's possible to unburn a token if that is what has happened?

The ones I was sent aren't burnt yet. HYDRO recommends that they be burned, but it is not required. My best guess is that you can't spend all of your HYDRO at a time perhaps? I haven't looked at the contract nor do I consider myself knowledgeable with smart contracts so I'm just guessing.

[mdayonliner]

I hope it's ok to share the PM here since there are nothing to hide. yishak actually PMed me yesterday unexpectedly...

I did not add one more coz that actually contains his account credentials. I said I don't need it. This are the replies I made...

[marlboroza]

If DarkStar_ can't then how did that scammer send the tokens to DarkStar_ in the first place?

Probably hydro messed up something with code and holders can send less old hydro tokens than they hold:

You must send 1 less token than your current balance to burn your old Hydro successfully.

Perhaps to try that?

May be the exchanges can stop incoming wrong tokens programmatically.

They really can't, as I said, you are not really sending tokens to exchange, you are sending tokens to ethereum wallet which is owned by exchange.

@DarkStar_ I'm not entirely sure it's possible to unburn a token if that is what has happened?

Tokens in darkstars_'s wallet are not burned, and I don't think that address mentioned in hydro's medium is burning address. In case tokens are burned there is no possible way to recover them, as it is some kind of self destruct contract.

I hope it's ok to share the PM here since there are nothing to hide. yishak actually PMed me yesterday unexpectedly...
~

I have never scammed anyone except this time 

[genuin]

by reading your story, I am sad because you lost a lot of bitcoin. In using this kind of thing, you need to be more selective so that the events you are experiencing do not reoccur. And for the reader of this tread, be careful if you will use your coin in any activity

[mdayonliner]

by reading your story, I am sad because you lost a lot of bitcoin. In using this kind of thing, you need to be more selective so that the events you are experiencing do not reoccur. And for the reader of this tread, be careful if you will use your coin in any activity

This is the whole point of creating the topic also to get the account tagged by the DT's. I hope the topic is spreading enough awareness to the members. I am also having a link on my signature space to help to spread the news. I hope more members will notice it and get the idea to avoid the tricks from the scammers. So far I know including me there are two other members who experienced (aTriz, jackg) the same. There must be a lot of other people are also getting scammed daily using the same method around the cryptospace and we have no clue about them.

The case marlboroza mentioned from ICOethics's PM is also a case to be alarmed.

They really can't, as I said, you are not really sending tokens to exchange, you are sending tokens to ethereum wallet which is owned by exchange.

This make sense actually.

Tokens in darkstars_'s wallet are not burned

Those token hasn't burned yet. They have an address to burn the tokens (x-1 number). Until anyone send the token to that address they stay alive (fake and useless thought)

I have never scammed anyone except this time   

Hard to believe however the only way to justify that he is telling the truth is - to wait few months. Let's see if he pays it back or not. I hope he sort out his stuffs (if it's real) and comeback clean.

... don't know why they waste their time doing this when they have so much intelligence, you lost $600 - think of how quickly he could have earnt more than that actually using his skills in some way by hiring them out?

Unfortunately this is the world we are living. People waste their intelligence to find the shortcuts where with a little hard work they could turn it to something better and bigger. They could earn more or to have a prestigious life.

[LoyceV]

I hope it's ok to share the PM here since there are nothing to hide. yishak actually PMed me yesterday unexpectedly...

If he's serious about this (which I highly doubt), he should start partial payments already, and not wait a few months.

If yishak pays back, I'll remove my red trust. By that time I'll decide whether or not to leave a neutral trust rating.

[Parodium]

A useful lesson thanks for sharing it, sucks that you had to be the fall guy that learned it the hard way.

[brenzosa]

I have some thoughts...

if yishak the scammer planned for this, why did he use his original account (full member) and not a newbie account?  maybe using a full member account will have more chance at getting this loan, which he did.  it's like selling a full member account for $600.


did darkstar tried sending less amount of old hydro (something like 100k) to make the transaction work?  i had similar case like this before where sending my eth token to exchange always fail no matter how high the gas setting was.

[Zapo]

Unfortunate. A hard lesson learnt for sure.

When reading this thread, another scam came to mind... I'd like to warn you and other people about this as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2335323.msg23758209#msg23758209

Someone tried to use a fake token with similar information but wasn't actually worth anything. Just make sure you don't get played like this as well.

[The Cryptovator]

May be scammer give merit instead of btc  . I can see he given 7 merit on this thread. Even he scam btc he return you merit   . Very Merciful scammer Lol. It means he get price 0.08 BTC for 7 merit  . Please double  check next time before collateral token. Especially contract address. Because any token can be created by spending 2$ gas fee. Scammers are more advance from us.

[mdayonliner]

It means he get price 0.08 BTC for 7 merit  .

The most expensive merit trade LOL

Please double  check next time before collateral token.

From now on I will check infinite times  
Thing is, when you are aware of something then you can take protections and I had no prior knowledge about this kind of tricks could be possible. We learn from experience.

When reading this thread, another scam came to mind... I'd like to warn you and other people about this as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2335323.msg23758209#msg23758209

Seem like this kind of attempts are happening quite often. We need more awareness so the community can get alerted.

if yishak the scammer planned for this, why did he use his original account (full member) and not a newbie account?  maybe using a full member account will have more chance at getting this loan, which he did.  it's like selling a full member account for $600.

Only yishak knows what was/is in his mind. I really hope he comes up clean. A good person can turn into bad when everything is against him. I hope that's what happened with him.

did darkstar tried sending less amount of old hydro (something like 100k) to make the transaction work?  i had similar case like this before where sending my eth token to exchange always fail no matter how high the gas setting was.

Not yet however I assume it's meaningless. It's really understandable that these were outdated tokens when yishak said sorry to me.

A useful lesson thanks for sharing it, sucks that you had to be the fall guy that learned it the hard way.

Someone had to pay for the lesson, it was overpriced though  I am happy that this experience will alert you as well since we both are in same business (kind of).

[DarkStar_]

did darkstar tried sending less amount of old hydro (something like 100k) to make the transaction work?  i had similar case like this before where sending my eth token to exchange always fail no matter how high the gas setting was.

I've thought about it but haven't tried as it's just a waste of gas for a useless token. If mdayonliner wants to try something, or wants the tokens, I can try sending it to them.

[merited]

Scammers are everywhere. There is no safety. Scammers are too smart they try to scam new way each time..

[mdayonliner]

I've thought about it but haven't tried as it's just a waste of gas for a useless token. If mdayonliner wants to try something, or wants the tokens, I can try sending it to them.

Don't bother mate. It's both waste of time and the little gas price that will be needed for this useless transaction.

[Zapo]

May be scammer give merit instead of btc  . I can see he given 7 merit on this thread. Even he scam btc he return you merit   . Very Merciful scammer Lol. It means he get price 0.08 BTC for 7 merit  . Please double  check next time before collateral token. Especially contract address. Because any token can be created by spending 2$ gas fee. Scammers are more advance from us.

[BTCforJoe]

Expensive lesson, but a valuable one. Out of the nearly 3 years I've been a member here, I haven't seen any scams like this. Sorry about your loss, man. Regardless of what that troll said, $600 is $600. If it means nothing to him, maybe he should put up the 0.08BTC instead of making such an asinine statement.

Karma's a bitch, and I really hope that @yishak gets what's coming to him.

I appreciate you posting this, or I would never have known about this kind of scam. Thanks for sharing, @mdayonliner

[Silent26]

I've been in Meta too much and didn't even pay a visit here in Scam Accusation. I won't be able to find this out if I didn't stalked at your profile  By the way I'm sorry for you loss mdayonliner, I'm proud of you because even though this scammer scammed you, you still pray for this guy's sake. Well, there's nothing I can do as well than to wish that yishak return the amount of Bitcoin he stole even if it takes a couple of months. I never had such amount of Bitcoin and if I'm the owner, I'd rather go crazy than to pray for the guy. Anyway, wishing you luck Buddy.

[LoyceV]

I hope it's ok to share the PM here since there are nothing to hide. yishak actually PMed me yesterday unexpectedly...

Did you notice this?

Code:

July 30, 2018, 10:40:13 PM - yishak - password changed

This email address was recently changed too, but I don't know when.

[pugman]

This email address was recently changed too, but I don't know when.

It must have been changed at least a month ago. For how many months does it show in the trust page that the email/password has been changed? OP, its really nice to see that you're still giving him(yishak) the benefit of the doubt even after he scammed you and the fact that you're calmly handling things. We don't see this happening everyday or ever. Don't worry, money will come and go, and you'll rightfully get what you deserve(directly or indirectly).

[Steamtyme]

Yishak was trying to give OP the account after the scam was revealed. Maybe they changed the password beforehand, if they use the password for other logins.

Or changed it after OP didn't take the account

[jackg]

This email address was recently changed too, but I don't know when.

It must have been changed at least a month ago. For how many months does it show in the trust page that the email/password has been changed?

Three months for the seclog as far as I can recall.

@Loyce, he probably changed it to not include his name/reveal his actual email address to avoid spam.

[mdayonliner]

I doubt that troll has 0.08BTC LOL

I appreciate you posting this, or I would never have known about this kind of scam. Thanks for sharing, @mdayonliner

You are welcome buddy and glad that you found something to be aware of from this post.

The style was very unique to me, I never thought this could be a way to take advantages of outdated coins. In fact, I did not have any prior knowledge that a coin can be outdated.

I did not have any idea about the token. I looked for it on CMC, saw it's listed there. Then I looked for the exchanges which has listed the coin and found out coinex do. I checked the price on coinex. Found the price is ok for me to take the collateral. That's it. I did not have anything else in mind like the coin I am seeing on coinex or CMC is not the same coin (actually same but with different contract address ) I was about to get as collateral. I had to pay for my lack of knowledge. I hope from now on, no one feels the same like me. Trust me it's one of those moments when you want to slap or hurt yourself badly. It becomes normal later though.

By the way I'm sorry for you loss mdayonliner, I'm proud of you because even though this scammer scammed you, you still pray for this guy's sake.

It's ok mate. I am lucky that it was not few Bitcoin or very large amount. I can recover the amount I lost and this amount actually will not change anything big time for both me or yishak but it's an experience. For me - I had to pay a big amount to learn the lesson and for yishak - it should be a memory not to be proud of (unless he keeps his words that he promised later).

The praying part... I don't believe in people are bad, it's the situations. A very bad situation can turns a person to do something that might kill him inside for the rest of his life. You will see him alive but inside they are crying to restore their lost faith for their own. These unfortunate people deserves a chance, after all they are human. Besides if we start wishing bad or start harming the bad one for their bad acts then they never get a chance to become a better person. And you are not a fool at all, you will know when you have to stop giving them chances. There are some people who will never change their long practice.

For how many months does it show in the trust page that the email/password has been changed?

May be a mod can enlighten us.

Don't worry, money will come and go, and you'll rightfully get what you deserve(directly or indirectly).

Yes mate, money is just a tool for living. We are bigger than anything else. I hope yishak do give himself a chance to become a better one.

Yishak was trying to give OP the account after the scam was revealed. Maybe they changed the password beforehand, if they use the password for other logins.

Or changed it after OP didn't take the account

@LoyceV, I noticed it when he gave me his credentials later. My guess was same like Steamtyme, he changed his regular password (perhaps email too) then gave me the temp pass, I denied to access his account then he changed his password again.

I am not sure which time is default to your PC, mine is forum time as default.
The changed time is: July 30, 2018, 09:40:13 PM - yishak - password changed
He sent me the message: July 30, 2018 @09:41:16 PM

If this is the case then I wonder did he not change the password again after I denied? 

@Loyce, he probably changed it to not include his name/reveal his actual email address to avoid spam.

Exactly but it's just a guess though.

[jackg]

For how many months does it show in the trust page that the email/password has been changed?

May be a mod can enlighten us.

It's a month. I just checked the seclog and the record at the bottom is July 4th.
All it takes is scrolling to the bottom .

[mdayonliner]

All it takes is scrolling to the bottom .

LOL yes, indeed.
It's another of those things when you(me) ignore the basics  

[BTCforJoe]

For how many months does it show in the trust page that the email/password has been changed?

May be a mod can enlighten us.

It's a month. I just checked the seclog and the record at the bottom is July 4th.
All it takes is scrolling to the bottom .

Maybe a stupid question, but what's the seclog and where can I access it?

[mdayonliner]

Maybe a stupid question, but what's the seclog and where can I access it?

It's completely ok  
seclog is security log for the forum. You can access it here: https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php

Basically on there you will be able to see recent password change, email change, if a person logged in after long period of time etc etc. In short everything related to account security of accounts.

[jackg]

Maybe a stupid question, but what's the seclog and where can I access it?

The seclog is at: bitcointalk.org/seclog.php
In addition to what mdayonliner said, there is also a modlog that I assume you're unfamiliar with but it might be useful for you as a resource to see when users are banned, posts are deleted, etc at bitcointalk.org/modlog.php.

[BTCforJoe]

Ahhhh nice. This appeases the nerd in me; thanks for the links. Both bookmarked. Now every time there's a user that says shit like "I don't know why I was banned; I didn't do anything wrong", I can do my internet sleuthing to try and find the reason why.

Any other less known logs I can bookmark?

[jackg]

Ahhhh nice. This appeases the nerd in me; thanks for the links. Both bookmarked. Now every time there's a user that says shit like "I don't know why I was banned; I didn't do anything wrong", I can do my internet sleuthing to try and find the reason why.

Any other less known logs I can bookmark?

Other than the merit ones and the main stats page: bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats and bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust then I don't think there is anything else.

[xtraelv]

It sucks. I've lost crypto to scammers as well.

Just be careful of any tokens. Anyone can make a token and anyone can make a look-alike token as well. All token platforms are vulnerable for that.
Unverified bitcoin and ethereum (and other) tokens were / are a known common scam on the waves platform.  Waves addressed the problem by creating a default spam token filter.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1927689.msg39188521#msg39188521
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/scam-alert/

If you look at just the BNB (Binance token) on Ethereum - you'll see all the fake tokens that have been created with the same name.
https://etherscan.io/tokens?q=bnb



There are even forks of known coins (some of them accidental). Just be careful of people wanting to transfer coins or tokens "on the exchange".
Yobit for example has some coins listed that you cannot withdraw to another exchange. (I haven't checked on there recently)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1862511.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3228022.20

More info:
https://cryptovest.com/education/how-to-spot-a-fake-token-or-asset/